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#1 Posted by ShadowWing (648 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Location: Tournament Ring.
  • No prep time.
  • Win via K.O.
  • Both are in character.
  • Standard winning conditions.
  • Who wins?
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#2 Posted by Khael (14478 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo

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#3 Edited by jashro44 (44078 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo is a bit of a wild card. His speed is obviously ridiculous but according to Goku his movements are linear. He was doing damage to hit and Goku and Toppo commented Hit was making sure Dyspos attacks were missing his vitals so it sounds like Dyspo also targets vitals when he fights.

I'm not sure if Fireza has the staying power and durability to last or the instincts and tactical ability to predict Dyspo's movements. Hitting Dyspo wouldn't be easy and it looked like Dyspo had the advantage over Goku despite Goku's claim Dyspo's movements were linear and I would say Goku does have better instincts than Frieza.

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#4 Posted by PhantomRant (753 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza wins

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#5 Posted by ShadowWing (648 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Good point. Knowing Frieza, he will get more frustrated by being unable to hit him. .

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#6 Posted by Godren (1328 posts) - - Show Bio

Freiza

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#7 Posted by Educated (736 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#8 Posted by APEX_pretador (13387 posts) - - Show Bio

Freeza stomps

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#9 Posted by Jooosh1996 (1279 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza hands down. We will see it happen soon.

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#10 Posted by Aristeaus (131 posts) - - Show Bio

I am not sure how Frieza wins at all. The level of speed he used greatly passed Hits time skip. Mind you, this is buffed Hit, not exhibition Hit where Goku did it.

Frieza just does not have anywhere near the feats yet to compete. Last time we actually saw Golden Frieza in combat, he got roflstomped by base level SSB.

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#11 Posted by Turr (280 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo wins handily. He has enough raw power and more speed then Frieza can take. he beat Hit's ass badly. If it wasn't for Hit's ability to skip between dimensions, he would be done for. And that's Hit we're talking about, who'd beat Frieza with both hands in his pockets.

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#12 Posted by jashro44 (44078 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on what frieza did to that yardrat I think he can counter dyspo with his instincts.

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#13 Posted by ChickenArcher1998 (9 posts) - - Show Bio

To me it seemed like Goku was keeping up with him during their fight, and Goku also states that his movements are too linear. It is only his speed which makes him tricky.

My money is on Frieza, who is on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku post-Goku black arc.

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#14 Posted by TheDeathstroke (1201 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza

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#15 Posted by Gaoron (3238 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza

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#16 Edited by omriamar (2145 posts) - - Show Bio

freiza is a speed machine as well and wild much greater DC skill and battle wisdom also power, Dyspo is dead

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#17 Posted by Helloman (8018 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza wins.

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#18 Posted by zill0678 (1853 posts) - - Show Bio

frieza. his handling of jimeze removed any doubt that he could take dyspo

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#19 Posted by KingSerena (89 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah Frieza

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#20 Posted by AlexTheBoss (9274 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus: The last time we saw Frieza in combat he tied SSB Goku, and the first time we saw him overpowering SSB Goku. Not sure where you got Frieza being roflestomped by SSB. The only time that ever happened was when he was tired and he doesn't even have that weakness anymore.

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#21 Posted by Royal_Warrior (3117 posts) - - Show Bio

Freiza stomps

Dyspo wasn’t a match for SSB even in speed

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#22 Posted by jashro44 (44078 posts) - - Show Bio

Freiza stomps

Dyspo wasn’t a match for SSB even in speed

How so? He fought pretty evenly with Goku, and Goku was using SSJGB to maximize his speed and power.

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#23 Posted by Royal_Warrior (3117 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: it was made pretty clear dyspo wasn’t a match for either hit or Goku when they were serious

He did no real damage to either and Hit was stringing him alone for the most part to find out more

The fact goku was only using SSB in bursts shows that he did not view Dyspo as a threat and that Dyspo wasn’t much quicker if at all than Blue form let alone Kaio ken

Plus this might be speculation but from the subtle hints and the frieza notes he became a lot stronger in death combined with golden form is superior to blue he should deal with Dyspo with ease

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#24 Posted by jashro44 (44078 posts) - - Show Bio

@royal_warrior:

it was made pretty clear dyspo wasn’t a match for either hit or Goku when they were serious

Hit adapted to Dyspos speed. He wasn't a match for Dyspo initially. Goku was on the losing end and Goku is almost never serious when he fights anyone. The only time he was really "serious" would be recently with Jiren and back in the frieza saga against Frieza.

He did no real damage to either and Hit was stringing him alone for the most part to find out more

Hit was stringing him along after he had adapted to Dyspo. And Hit is still covered in bruises from his fight with Dyspo and was struggling to stand at one point. Dyspo clearly did damage to Hit.

The fact goku was only using SSB in bursts shows that he did not view Dyspo as a threat and that Dyspo wasn’t much quicker if at all than Blue form let alone Kaio ken

This isn't true. It was stated that Goku was using strategy. He was using SSJG to maintain stamina and switched to Blue to try and catch Dyspo by surprise while maximizing speed and power.

Plus this might be speculation but from the subtle hints and the frieza notes he became a lot stronger in death combined with golden form is superior to blue he should deal with Dyspo with ease

Its been stated Frieza is only equal to Blue and this was proven on screen.

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#25 Posted by Royal_Warrior (3117 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: just rewatched the episode and you’re claims are just misguided or your twisting feats to suit your narrative

hit didn’t adapt to Dyspos speed, at first he was shocked but once he realised Dyspo wasn’t countering time skip just attacking before it happened he changed tactics

Later on Hit used time skip with no problem because Dyspo hesitates to attack because he was countered last time he tried it

Dyspo was t faster than time skip he just used his speed and hearing to attack right before Hit attacks

Hit was only getting hit to lure Dyspo into a false sense of security as you said Hitt was quick enough to block all attacks to vital areas and was playing possum with Dyspo until he got to the edge then Dyspo became overconfident and attacked

The fight was becoming so one sided that toppo sent Kuwasi to back Dyspo up because he was getting beaten easily

Goku was keeping up fine with SSG he only used fractions of SSB to hit harder and counter better, all this shows a blue is above Dyspo and Goku CPU’s life conserve his stamina for the fight because he wasn’t in any danger as he could still track Dyspos movements in god

Lastly both Goku and Vegeta admitted golden is more powerful than blue but it drains stamina even quicker and that was due to frieza not utilising the form properly before comming to Earth during his time in hell his Ki control is a lot stronger and he was able to deal with the GoD ki a lot better than Goku

So without Kaio ken or Ultra the golden frieza form should be Moreno powerful ever so slightly

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#26 Posted by Amonfire1776 (573 posts) - - Show Bio

Since this is not the tournament itself Frieza plays this dishonerabley and quickly kills him...Dypso failed to blitz Goku after all in his ssj god state...

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#27 Posted by jashro44 (44078 posts) - - Show Bio

@royal_warrior:

just rewatched the episode and you’re claims are just misguided or your twisting feats to suit your narrative

hit didn’t adapt to Dyspos speed, at first he was shocked but once he realised Dyspo wasn’t countering time skip just attacking before it happened he changed tactics

Right at 2:48 Toppo says Hit adapted to Dyspos speed:

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Your the one who is misguided.

Later on Hit used time skip with no problem because Dyspo hesitates to attack because he was countered last time he tried it

Dyspo was t faster than time skip he just used his speed and hearing to attack right before Hit attacks

Hit was only getting hit to lure Dyspo into a false sense of security as you said Hitt was quick enough to block all attacks to vital areas and was playing possum with Dyspo until he got to the edge then Dyspo became overconfident and attacked

Look at the video above. Toppo flat out says Hit adapted to his speed. Hit created the trap for Dyspo after he had adapted to him.

The fight was becoming so one sided that toppo sent Kuwasi to back Dyspo up because he was getting beaten easily

Toppo sent in Kuwasi because he knew Hit was laying a trap. If hit could have just curbed Dyspo there as you are implying he would have. We see him do that later on when he improves again. Hit is a character who literally constantly improves when he is out matched.

Why do you think both him and Goku wanted to fight Dyspo so badly? Because Dyspo was a genuine challenge.

Goku was keeping up fine with SSG he only used fractions of SSB to hit harder and counter better, all this shows a blue is above Dyspo and Goku CPU’s life conserve his stamina for the fight because he wasn’t in any danger as he could still track Dyspos movements in god

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. Dyspo was never actually hit by Goku at any point, even when Goku turned Blue to maximize his speed and power in his attacks, and Dyspo still dodged him. Dyspo landed more hits during the fight and at the end of the fight Goku was the one that was sent skidding across the floor whereas Dyspo was standing confidently.

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This implies Goku was genuinely having a hard time. Goku wasn't blue the entire fight but he was turning into blue to maximize his speed and power for a reason. If anything Dyspo had the edge. Goku probably wanted to save his stamina because he knows Toppo and Jiren are above Dyspo.

Lastly both Goku and Vegeta admitted golden is more powerful than blue but it drains stamina even quicker and that was due to frieza not utilising the form properly before comming to Earth during his time in hell his Ki control is a lot stronger and he was able to deal with the GoD ki a lot better than Goku

None of this changes the fact that both Goku and Frieza knocked each other out and Beerus said they were equal. Goku never needed the Kaio-Ken.

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So without Kaio ken or Ultra the golden frieza form should be Moreno powerful ever so slightly

Slightly sure but that isn't enough to stomp Dyspo.

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#28 Posted by jashro44 (44078 posts) - - Show Bio

Since this is not the tournament itself Frieza plays this dishonerabley and quickly kills him...Dypso failed to blitz Goku after all in his ssj god state...

That was because Goku predicted his movements....Granted Frieza could do the same but lets give Dyspo some credit here. Dyspos speed lets him move incredibly fast in short bursts, but that is why when Dyspo blitzed Goku initially Hit said "can you do that in succession?" Goku commented his movements were linear.

If Frieza doesn't pick up on Dyspos movements being linear he would lose. I think Frieza would and based on his showing with the Yadrat he can probably predict Dyspos blitzes.

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