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#1 Posted by ShadowWing (777 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Location: Tournament Ring.
  • No prep time.
  • Win via K.O.
  • Both are in character.
  • Standard winning conditions.
  • Who wins?
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#2 Posted by Khael (15332 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo

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#3 Edited by jashro44 (49367 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo is a bit of a wild card. His speed is obviously ridiculous but according to Goku his movements are linear. He was doing damage to hit and Goku and Toppo commented Hit was making sure Dyspos attacks were missing his vitals so it sounds like Dyspo also targets vitals when he fights.

I'm not sure if Fireza has the staying power and durability to last or the instincts and tactical ability to predict Dyspo's movements. Hitting Dyspo wouldn't be easy and it looked like Dyspo had the advantage over Goku despite Goku's claim Dyspo's movements were linear and I would say Goku does have better instincts than Frieza.

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#4 Posted by PhantomRant (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza wins

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#5 Posted by ShadowWing (777 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Good point. Knowing Frieza, he will get more frustrated by being unable to hit him. .

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#6 Posted by Godren (2599 posts) - - Show Bio

Freiza

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#7 Posted by Educated (880 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#8 Posted by APEX_pretador (18621 posts) - - Show Bio

Freeza stomps

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#9 Posted by Jooosh1996 (2102 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza hands down. We will see it happen soon.

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#10 Posted by Aristeaus (355 posts) - - Show Bio

I am not sure how Frieza wins at all. The level of speed he used greatly passed Hits time skip. Mind you, this is buffed Hit, not exhibition Hit where Goku did it.

Frieza just does not have anywhere near the feats yet to compete. Last time we actually saw Golden Frieza in combat, he got roflstomped by base level SSB.

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#11 Posted by Turr (785 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo wins handily. He has enough raw power and more speed then Frieza can take. he beat Hit's ass badly. If it wasn't for Hit's ability to skip between dimensions, he would be done for. And that's Hit we're talking about, who'd beat Frieza with both hands in his pockets.

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#12 Posted by jashro44 (49367 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on what frieza did to that yardrat I think he can counter dyspo with his instincts.

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#13 Posted by ChickenArcher1998 (23 posts) - - Show Bio

To me it seemed like Goku was keeping up with him during their fight, and Goku also states that his movements are too linear. It is only his speed which makes him tricky.

My money is on Frieza, who is on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku post-Goku black arc.

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#14 Posted by TheDeathstroke (2856 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza

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#15 Posted by Gaoron (5793 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza

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#16 Edited by omriamar (5902 posts) - - Show Bio

freiza is a speed machine as well and wild much greater DC skill and battle wisdom also power, Dyspo is dead

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#17 Posted by Helloman (17803 posts) - - Show Bio

Frieza wins.

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#18 Posted by zill0678 (2314 posts) - - Show Bio

frieza. his handling of jimeze removed any doubt that he could take dyspo

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#19 Posted by Newark- (136 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah Frieza

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#20 Posted by AlexTheBoss (12808 posts) - - Show Bio

@Aristeaus: The last time we saw Frieza in combat he tied SSB Goku, and the first time we saw him overpowering SSB Goku. Not sure where you got Frieza being roflestomped by SSB. The only time that ever happened was when he was tired and he doesn't even have that weakness anymore.

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#21 Posted by Royal_Warrior (5055 posts) - - Show Bio

Freiza stomps

Dyspo wasn’t a match for SSB even in speed

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#22 Posted by jashro44 (49367 posts) - - Show Bio

Freiza stomps

Dyspo wasn’t a match for SSB even in speed

How so? He fought pretty evenly with Goku, and Goku was using SSJGB to maximize his speed and power.

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#23 Posted by Royal_Warrior (5055 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: it was made pretty clear dyspo wasn’t a match for either hit or Goku when they were serious

He did no real damage to either and Hit was stringing him alone for the most part to find out more

The fact goku was only using SSB in bursts shows that he did not view Dyspo as a threat and that Dyspo wasn’t much quicker if at all than Blue form let alone Kaio ken

Plus this might be speculation but from the subtle hints and the frieza notes he became a lot stronger in death combined with golden form is superior to blue he should deal with Dyspo with ease

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#24 Posted by jashro44 (49367 posts) - - Show Bio

@royal_warrior:

it was made pretty clear dyspo wasn’t a match for either hit or Goku when they were serious

Hit adapted to Dyspos speed. He wasn't a match for Dyspo initially. Goku was on the losing end and Goku is almost never serious when he fights anyone. The only time he was really "serious" would be recently with Jiren and back in the frieza saga against Frieza.

He did no real damage to either and Hit was stringing him alone for the most part to find out more

Hit was stringing him along after he had adapted to Dyspo. And Hit is still covered in bruises from his fight with Dyspo and was struggling to stand at one point. Dyspo clearly did damage to Hit.

The fact goku was only using SSB in bursts shows that he did not view Dyspo as a threat and that Dyspo wasn’t much quicker if at all than Blue form let alone Kaio ken

This isn't true. It was stated that Goku was using strategy. He was using SSJG to maintain stamina and switched to Blue to try and catch Dyspo by surprise while maximizing speed and power.

Plus this might be speculation but from the subtle hints and the frieza notes he became a lot stronger in death combined with golden form is superior to blue he should deal with Dyspo with ease

Its been stated Frieza is only equal to Blue and this was proven on screen.

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#25 Posted by Royal_Warrior (5055 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: just rewatched the episode and you’re claims are just misguided or your twisting feats to suit your narrative

hit didn’t adapt to Dyspos speed, at first he was shocked but once he realised Dyspo wasn’t countering time skip just attacking before it happened he changed tactics

Later on Hit used time skip with no problem because Dyspo hesitates to attack because he was countered last time he tried it

Dyspo was t faster than time skip he just used his speed and hearing to attack right before Hit attacks

Hit was only getting hit to lure Dyspo into a false sense of security as you said Hitt was quick enough to block all attacks to vital areas and was playing possum with Dyspo until he got to the edge then Dyspo became overconfident and attacked

The fight was becoming so one sided that toppo sent Kuwasi to back Dyspo up because he was getting beaten easily

Goku was keeping up fine with SSG he only used fractions of SSB to hit harder and counter better, all this shows a blue is above Dyspo and Goku CPU’s life conserve his stamina for the fight because he wasn’t in any danger as he could still track Dyspos movements in god

Lastly both Goku and Vegeta admitted golden is more powerful than blue but it drains stamina even quicker and that was due to frieza not utilising the form properly before comming to Earth during his time in hell his Ki control is a lot stronger and he was able to deal with the GoD ki a lot better than Goku

So without Kaio ken or Ultra the golden frieza form should be Moreno powerful ever so slightly

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#26 Posted by Amonfire1776 (1698 posts) - - Show Bio

Since this is not the tournament itself Frieza plays this dishonerabley and quickly kills him...Dypso failed to blitz Goku after all in his ssj god state...

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#27 Posted by jashro44 (49367 posts) - - Show Bio

@royal_warrior:

just rewatched the episode and you’re claims are just misguided or your twisting feats to suit your narrative

hit didn’t adapt to Dyspos speed, at first he was shocked but once he realised Dyspo wasn’t countering time skip just attacking before it happened he changed tactics

Right at 2:48 Toppo says Hit adapted to Dyspos speed:

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Your the one who is misguided.

Later on Hit used time skip with no problem because Dyspo hesitates to attack because he was countered last time he tried it

Dyspo was t faster than time skip he just used his speed and hearing to attack right before Hit attacks

Hit was only getting hit to lure Dyspo into a false sense of security as you said Hitt was quick enough to block all attacks to vital areas and was playing possum with Dyspo until he got to the edge then Dyspo became overconfident and attacked

Look at the video above. Toppo flat out says Hit adapted to his speed. Hit created the trap for Dyspo after he had adapted to him.

The fight was becoming so one sided that toppo sent Kuwasi to back Dyspo up because he was getting beaten easily

Toppo sent in Kuwasi because he knew Hit was laying a trap. If hit could have just curbed Dyspo there as you are implying he would have. We see him do that later on when he improves again. Hit is a character who literally constantly improves when he is out matched.

Why do you think both him and Goku wanted to fight Dyspo so badly? Because Dyspo was a genuine challenge.

Goku was keeping up fine with SSG he only used fractions of SSB to hit harder and counter better, all this shows a blue is above Dyspo and Goku CPU’s life conserve his stamina for the fight because he wasn’t in any danger as he could still track Dyspos movements in god

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. Dyspo was never actually hit by Goku at any point, even when Goku turned Blue to maximize his speed and power in his attacks, and Dyspo still dodged him. Dyspo landed more hits during the fight and at the end of the fight Goku was the one that was sent skidding across the floor whereas Dyspo was standing confidently.

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This implies Goku was genuinely having a hard time. Goku wasn't blue the entire fight but he was turning into blue to maximize his speed and power for a reason. If anything Dyspo had the edge. Goku probably wanted to save his stamina because he knows Toppo and Jiren are above Dyspo.

Lastly both Goku and Vegeta admitted golden is more powerful than blue but it drains stamina even quicker and that was due to frieza not utilising the form properly before comming to Earth during his time in hell his Ki control is a lot stronger and he was able to deal with the GoD ki a lot better than Goku

None of this changes the fact that both Goku and Frieza knocked each other out and Beerus said they were equal. Goku never needed the Kaio-Ken.

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So without Kaio ken or Ultra the golden frieza form should be Moreno powerful ever so slightly

Slightly sure but that isn't enough to stomp Dyspo.

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#28 Posted by jashro44 (49367 posts) - - Show Bio

Since this is not the tournament itself Frieza plays this dishonerabley and quickly kills him...Dypso failed to blitz Goku after all in his ssj god state...

That was because Goku predicted his movements....Granted Frieza could do the same but lets give Dyspo some credit here. Dyspos speed lets him move incredibly fast in short bursts, but that is why when Dyspo blitzed Goku initially Hit said "can you do that in succession?" Goku commented his movements were linear.

If Frieza doesn't pick up on Dyspos movements being linear he would lose. I think Frieza would and based on his showing with the Yadrat he can probably predict Dyspos blitzes.

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#29 Posted by AlexTheBoss (12808 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo said he couldn't even deal with Frieza's while he wasn't even golden.

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#31 Posted by AlexTheBoss (12808 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer: What happened to him to made him significantly weaker? Either way he should be no match for Golden Frieza.

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#33 Edited by Wolfrazer (15486 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss said:

@wolfrazer: What happened to him to made him significantly weaker? Either way he should be no match for Golden Frieza.

He fought Hit who in the latter part of the fight thrashed him pretty hard, then later took a blow from UI Goku and he still showed signs of not fully recovered in the current episode. So it's a safe best he's not at his best right now. But just throwing that out there.

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#34 Edited by AlexTheBoss (12808 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolfrazer: Ya he might not be at his best, but I don't think he has been extremely weakened. And lol at the giant post above yours.

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#36 Edited by yeimsick (297 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo is the clear winner after the recent episode.

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#37 Posted by slimj87d (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo.

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#38 Edited by Paytience (3865 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d: @yeimsick: Nah. Dyspo wasn't a threat to Frieza without the ring out. He couldnvt sctual hurt him or put him away. It was a matter of time until he got caught or Frieza aped out on him.

No ring out...Frieza kills him. Literally, Frieza would likely kill him straight out. Think about it...what hapens when he fights people who are allowed to fly?

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#39 Posted by APEX_pretador (18621 posts) - - Show Bio

Freeza stomps

Dyspo can only win in ring-outs. Freeza can spam insta-killer death beams which chase targets.

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#40 Posted by thatduderox (728 posts) - - Show Bio

If Frieza can catch him and land a few solid blows, he would take it. Dyspo was no match for Gohan in pure h2h combat. That being said, I see Frieza struggling to do that anytime soon. Once Dyspo got serious, Frieza couldn't land a single offensive hit. And we see from Dyspo's fighting style that he doesn't let up once he has the advantage. It took a combined effort of Golden Frieza using his death beams to restrict his movements and allowing Gohan to go on the offensive to final take Dyspo out. Dyspo was just that much faster than them.

If Frieza can manage to catch Dyspo before things get to serious, he'll win. But it's not a stomp in anyone's favor.

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#41 Posted by GentlemanTopHat (759 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo

@slimj87d: @yeimsick: Nah. Dyspo wasn't a threat to Frieza without the ring out. He couldnvt sctual hurt him or put him away. It was a matter of time until he got caught or Frieza aped out on him.

No ring out...Frieza kills him. Literally, Frieza would likely kill him straight out. Think about it...what hapens when he fights people who are allowed to fly?

Dyspo was kicking Golden Frieza's ass and Frieza needed Gohan's help to ring him out

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#42 Posted by AlexTheBoss (12808 posts) - - Show Bio

@gentlemantophat: It looked like Frieza was about to do something right before Gohan jumped in. And there is really nothing Dyspo could do if Frieza decided to do a massive AOE attack.

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#43 Posted by APEX_pretador (18621 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo isn't killing a guy who tanked a massive hakai

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#44 Edited by Toratorn (4307 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador: yeah, "tanked". As in, was knocked out of his Golden form, covered in bruises, was barely able to stand, and all that from a Hakai that was specifically tailored by Toppo to not kill him. Real impressive.

Dyspo still wrecks.

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#45 Posted by GentlemanTopHat (759 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo isn't killing a guy who tanked a massive hakai

Toppo was holding back when he kicked Golden Frieza's ass so wouldn't get disqualified if there wasn't a no killing rule Toppo would have erased Frieza's golden ass.

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#46 Edited by Royal_Warrior (5055 posts) - - Show Bio

Freiza would win in a normal setting, this favours Dyspo massively

Unsure who'd win, Dyspo doesn't look like he has the firepower to do much

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#47 Posted by neoman90 (137 posts) - - Show Bio

i would say freeza judging by their overall performance in the tournament, but DB creators give characters glory episodes which means characters are super strong for plot reason-when the plot needs them to be, especially if its their last episode.

overall i would say golden freeza honestly. even tho dyspo would have won if gohan did not step in.

based on dyspo overall i would say freeza wins.
based on dyspos last episode, dyspo would win.

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#48 Posted by LiTTlleJeiKKie (398 posts) - - Show Bio

frieza

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#49 Posted by jashro44 (49367 posts) - - Show Bio

Dyspo.

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#50 Edited by DeathHero61 (17488 posts) - - Show Bio

Dypso seems to be a lightweight with a shit ton of speed. Simply being able to hurt high tiers and deal damage due to his speed. So in DB I see his fights similar to how I see Superman vs Flash. Dypso isn't naturally stronger than Frieza. But Dypso makes up for it by moving at his max speed to increase the momentum of his attacks.

This is why Hit lasted so long against him, at least that's my theory.