Frieza Final Form vs Cooler Original Form

Who wins between the final form of Freeza and Cooler's regular form? 
 
Battle is on a deserted planet with a terrain like Earth. Cooler cannot transform into his Final Form. 
 

cooler

" cooler "

Coller, takes Kakarot, after he know, how to do the superthing.
In that point Kakarott was by far stronger, for tha same cooler wins this one.

Both Base Cooler and Base Goku in Movie 5 were stronger than 100% Freeza at that point. Cooler takes this with ease.

Cooler said before he transformed Frieza had the edge meaning he was little bit stronger so he could pull of a win here.

" Cooler said before he transformed Frieza had the edge meaning he was little bit stronger so he could pull of a win here. "

Cooler, he told Goku that he can gather energy much faster then his brother.  Not only that but he knows Instant Transmission.

ITS OVER 9000!

What? 9000! There's no way it can be right!

" Both Base Cooler and Base Goku in Movie 5 were stronger than 100% Freeza at that point. Cooler takes this with ease. "

also frieza stomps. not only did cooler state that frieza was stronger than he is...but he did not get one shotted and embarrassed by goku like cooler was. 

did cooler really admitted that frieza was stronger? or was it just a mistake in the english dub?

" @Prince CortSether said:

" Both Base Cooler and Base Goku in Movie 5 were stronger than 100% Freeza at that point. Cooler takes this with ease. "

XD and once again with this... honestly...after being proven wrong.....4 times now..you still keep saying this.....why? Just shhh "

" also frieza stomps. not only did cooler state that frieza was stronger than he is...but he did not get one shotted and embarrassed by goku like cooler was.  "

" did cooler really admitted that frieza was stronger? or was it just a mistake in the english dub? "

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" Both Base Cooler and Base Goku in Movie 5 were stronger than 100% Freeza at that point. Cooler takes this with ease. "

XD and once again with this... honestly...after being proven wrong.....4 times now..you still keep saying this.....why? Just shhh "

Quit trolling. I played that game a long time ago and I discovered it isn't cute. Hopefully you'll learn the same but dude, nobody on here takes you seriously at all. 
 
@Louisiana Bob said:

" also frieza stomps. not only did cooler state that frieza was stronger than he is...but he did not get one shotted and embarrassed by goku like cooler was.  "

Amazing you claim to know so much about DBZ yet you're so off the mark here. 
 
@Darth_Amaron said:

" did cooler really admitted that frieza was stronger? or was it just a mistake in the english dub? "

The only thing even possibly indicating Freeza was stronger in their original forms is when Cooler says in the FUNI English dub "Freeza was always trying to prove he was better than me and he definitely had the edge, but then I transformed". Having the edge can mean a lot of things so that's not a clear indication. In the Japanese TOEI dub, Cooler makes absolutely no mention of Freeza possibly being stronger. 
 
in the official translation of Movie 5, Cooler simply says to SSJ Goku: "I see... So this is why my brother was no match for you!" The statement flows perfectly with everything else up to that point. Cooler finds out his younger brother was killed by a Saiyan, Cooler fearlessly seeks this Saiyan out, Cooler invites this same Saiyan to attack him (specifically, to show him the power capable of killing Freeza), gets taken by surprise by that power, and then confirms that Goku was indeed powerful enough to have defeated Freeza. And to top it all off, he never planned to rely on his most powerful transformation. And as for Goku, he got, near a 33x zenkai on Namek. So with a base-form BP higher than 3,000,000, his zenkai would only need to be less than a 40x increase to line up with Cooler's "good enough" statement. Again, nothing out-of-the-ordinary about that. The only way that they aren't stupidly powerful is if Cooler knew nothing of Freeza's max power. And honestly, why would the older brother be left in the dark about that? Piccolo's strength increased by more than 50x just through sheer training, but it's silly to think that in the Toei-verse of all places, Goku couldn't have gotten a ~40x power increase with a zenkai? Movies 5 and 6 have some crazy power scaling going on, you can't fit it perfectly with the battle powers in the main timeline.  Either way, Cooler's (base) battle power is officially higher than Freeza's by 20 million. So whether or not he guessed that he was stronger, or if he just *knew*, he was correct. I think that's all that matters.  "

i'm not going to waste my time on torrents of the japanese version of coolers revenge just to see if prince is lying or not..most likely he is...same as always. But the fact that coolers 5th form got one shotted by gokus super saiyan form and frieza put up enough of a fight that goku only won due to frieza using too much energy......it's fair to say that frieza stomps

" i'm not going to waste my time on torrents of the japanese version of coolers revenge just to see if prince is lying or not..most likely he is...same as always. But the fact that coolers 5th form got one shotted by gokus super saiyan form and frieza put up enough of a fight that goku only won due to frieza using too much energy......it's fair to say that frieza stomps "

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" i'm not going to waste my time on torrents of the japanese version of coolers revenge just to see if prince is lying or not..most likely he is...same as always. But the fact that coolers 5th form got one shotted by gokus super saiyan form and frieza put up enough of a fight that goku only won due to frieza using too much energy......it's fair to say that frieza stomps "

Well, that is kinda unfair to say. You can only accomplish so much in a movie. The series with Frieza vs Goku was long and drawn out so Frieza could show a lot more feats. "

" @OmegaDynasty said:

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" i'm not going to waste my time on torrents of the japanese version of coolers revenge just to see if prince is lying or not..most likely he is...same as always. But the fact that coolers 5th form got one shotted by gokus super saiyan form and frieza put up enough of a fight that goku only won due to frieza using too much energy......it's fair to say that frieza stomps "

Well, that is kinda unfair to say. You can only accomplish so much in a movie. The series with Frieza vs Goku was long and drawn out so Frieza could show a lot more feats. "

it isn't at all unfair. Broly, android 13, turless all singly handedly owned goku without much effort. Cooler did not. Frieza when using 100% full power was almost equal to goku and he put up a decent fight....cooler was downed from a single punch to the gut and then got blasted into the sun. "

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" @OmegaDynasty said:

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" i'm not going to waste my time on torrents of the japanese version of coolers revenge just to see if prince is lying or not..most likely he is...same as always. But the fact that coolers 5th form got one shotted by gokus super saiyan form and frieza put up enough of a fight that goku only won due to frieza using too much energy......it's fair to say that frieza stomps "

Well, that is kinda unfair to say. You can only accomplish so much in a movie. The series with Frieza vs Goku was long and drawn out so Frieza could show a lot more feats. "

it isn't at all unfair. Broly, android 13, turless all singly handedly owned goku without much effort. Cooler did not. Frieza when using 100% full power was almost equal to goku and he put up a decent fight....cooler was downed from a single punch to the gut and then got blasted into the sun. "

Well I remember him getting punched in the gut, didn't down him just staggered him a bit. Then he made the Super Nova when Goku wasn't paying attention saying something like " Should keep your eye's on me more as I can gather energy quicker then my little brother(Frieza.) "

" @OmegaDynasty said:

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" @OmegaDynasty said:

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" i'm not going to waste my time on torrents of the japanese version of coolers revenge just to see if prince is lying or not..most likely he is...same as always. But the fact that coolers 5th form got one shotted by gokus super saiyan form and frieza put up enough of a fight that goku only won due to frieza using too much energy......it's fair to say that frieza stomps "

Well, that is kinda unfair to say. You can only accomplish so much in a movie. The series with Frieza vs Goku was long and drawn out so Frieza could show a lot more feats. "

it isn't at all unfair. Broly, android 13, turless all singly handedly owned goku without much effort. Cooler did not. Frieza when using 100% full power was almost equal to goku and he put up a decent fight....cooler was downed from a single punch to the gut and then got blasted into the sun. "

Well I remember him getting punched in the gut, didn't down him just staggered him a bit. Then he made the Super Nova when Goku wasn't paying attention saying something like " Should keep your eye's on me more as I can gather energy quicker then my little brother(Frieza.) "

he got punched in th gut and staggered off like a punk...after his punches didn't even phase goku...unlike friezas.....and then made a super nova attack (an attack that blew up planet vegeta) and goku held it off with his bare hands and then he blasted cooler into the sun. Anyway you want to look at it...frieza did way better than cooler and cooler had an extra transformation "

" @Prince CortSether said:

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" Both Base Cooler and Base Goku in Movie 5 were stronger than 100% Freeza at that point. Cooler takes this with ease. "

XD and once again with this... honestly...after being proven wrong.....4 times now..you still keep saying this.....why? Just shhh "

Quit trolling. I played that game a long time ago and I discovered it isn't cute. Hopefully you'll learn the same but dude, nobody on here takes you seriously at all. 
 
@Louisiana Bob said:

" also frieza stomps. not only did cooler state that frieza was stronger than he is...but he did not get one shotted and embarrassed by goku like cooler was.  "

Amazing you claim to know so much about DBZ yet you're so off the mark here. 
 

@Darth_Amaron

said:

" did cooler really admitted that frieza was stronger? or was it just a mistake in the english dub? "

The only thing even possibly indicating Freeza was stronger in their original forms is when Cooler says in the FUNI English dub "Freeza was always trying to prove he was better than me and he definitely had the edge, but then I transformed". Having the edge can mean a lot of things so that's not a clear indication. In the Japanese TOEI dub, Cooler makes absolutely no mention of Freeza possibly being stronger. 
 
in the official translation of Movie 5, Cooler simply says to SSJ Goku: "I see... So this is why my brother was no match for you!" The statement flows perfectly with everything else up to that point. Cooler finds out his younger brother was killed by a Saiyan, Cooler fearlessly seeks this Saiyan out, Cooler invites this same Saiyan to attack him (specifically, to show him the power capable of killing Freeza), gets taken by surprise by that power, and then confirms that Goku was indeed powerful enough to have defeated Freeza. And to top it all off, he never planned to rely on his most powerful transformation. And as for Goku, he got, near a 33x zenkai on Namek. So with a base-form BP higher than 3,000,000, his zenkai would only need to be less than a 40x increase to line up with Cooler's "good enough" statement. Again, nothing out-of-the-ordinary about that. The only way that they aren't stupidly powerful is if Cooler knew nothing of Freeza's max power. And honestly, why would the older brother be left in the dark about that? Piccolo's strength increased by more than 50x just through sheer training, but it's silly to think that in the Toei-verse of all places, Goku couldn't have gotten a ~40x power increase with a zenkai? Movies 5 and 6 have some crazy power scaling going on, you can't fit it perfectly with the battle powers in the main timeline.  Either way, Cooler's (base) battle power is officially higher than Freeza's by 20 million. So whether or not he guessed that he was stronger, or if he just *knew*, he was correct. I think that's all that matters.  "

XD sir you keep babbling on about me trolling you because you totally got this ridiculous statement you keep copy pasting shot down...but it just makes me laugh.  So once more..you not knowing what you're talking about and having that proven does not make everyone else a troll...mkay
 
since you keep copy pasting the same ignorant crap that was shot down so many times before i'll copy paste the post that did so. 
 
 " Again   cooler fighting goku in super saiyan form   and going i see why my brother was killed equals   base form goku is stronger than frieza .............do you even know what logic is?     and by the way goku at ssj on namek was 150,000,000..his base was 3,000,000...if going by your half assed logic that i will tear down later...that would mean gokus base form after zenkai was 99,000,000....still lower than his super saiyan form...so not only do you use logic that cant even be considered logic..but you're still wrong. And for the record goku received a high ass zenkai after being near death....he wasnt anywhere near death after he beat frieza...nevermind the fact that zenkais are inconsistent and most of the time goku and vegeta received about double increase instead of the 33 times increase. All of this was of course said to you before.....but hey people like you dont let a thing called facts get in your way huh. You'd have to be a complete and total idiot to think cooler or frieza is anywhere near first form cell who single handely owned 17 who could kill goku, vegeta, trunks and piccolo at the same time if he wanted to. " "

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" Both Base Cooler and Base Goku in Movie 5 were stronger than 100% Freeza at that point. Cooler takes this with ease. "

XD and once again with this... honestly...after being proven wrong.....4 times now..you still keep saying this.....why? Just shhh "

Quit trolling. I played that game a long time ago and I discovered it isn't cute. Hopefully you'll learn the same but dude, nobody on here takes you seriously at all. 
 

@Louisiana Bob

said:

" also frieza stomps. not only did cooler state that frieza was stronger than he is...but he did not get one shotted and embarrassed by goku like cooler was.  "

Amazing you claim to know so much about DBZ yet you're so off the mark here. 
 

@Darth_Amaron

said:

" did cooler really admitted that frieza was stronger? or was it just a mistake in the english dub? "

The only thing even possibly indicating Freeza was stronger in their original forms is when Cooler says in the FUNI English dub "Freeza was always trying to prove he was better than me and he definitely had the edge, but then I transformed". Having the edge can mean a lot of things so that's not a clear indication. In the Japanese TOEI dub, Cooler makes absolutely no mention of Freeza possibly being stronger. 
 
in the official translation of Movie 5, Cooler simply says to SSJ Goku: "I see... So this is why my brother was no match for you!" The statement flows perfectly with everything else up to that point. Cooler finds out his younger brother was killed by a Saiyan, Cooler fearlessly seeks this Saiyan out, Cooler invites this same Saiyan to attack him (specifically, to show him the power capable of killing Freeza), gets taken by surprise by that power, and then confirms that Goku was indeed powerful enough to have defeated Freeza. And to top it all off, he never planned to rely on his most powerful transformation. And as for Goku, he got, near a 33x zenkai on Namek. So with a base-form BP higher than 3,000,000, his zenkai would only need to be less than a 40x increase to line up with Cooler's "good enough" statement. Again, nothing out-of-the-ordinary about that. The only way that they aren't stupidly powerful is if Cooler knew nothing of Freeza's max power. And honestly, why would the older brother be left in the dark about that? Piccolo's strength increased by more than 50x just through sheer training, but it's silly to think that in the Toei-verse of all places, Goku couldn't have gotten a ~40x power increase with a zenkai? Movies 5 and 6 have some crazy power scaling going on, you can't fit it perfectly with the battle powers in the main timeline.  Either way, Cooler's (base) battle power is officially higher than Freeza's by 20 million. So whether or not he guessed that he was stronger, or if he just *knew*, he was correct. I think that's all that matters.  "

XD sir you keep babbling on about me trolling you because you totally got this ridiculous statement you keep copy pasting shot down...but it just makes me laugh.  So once more..you not knowing what you're talking about and having that proven does not make everyone else a troll...mkay
 
since you keep copy pasting the same ignorant crap that was shot down so many times before i'll copy paste the post that did so. 
 
 " Again   cooler fighting goku in super saiyan form   and going i see why my brother was killed equals   base form goku is stronger than frieza .............do you even know what logic is?     and by the way goku at ssj on namek was 150,000,000..his base was 3,000,000...if going by your half assed logic that i will tear down later...that would mean gokus base form after zenkai was 99,000,000....still lower than his super saiyan form...so not only do you use logic that cant even be considered logic..but you're still wrong. And for the record goku received a high ass zenkai after being near death....he wasnt anywhere near death after he beat frieza...nevermind the fact that zenkais are inconsistent and most of the time goku and vegeta received about double increase instead of the 33 times increase. All of this was of course said to you before.....but hey people like you dont let a thing called facts get in your way huh. You'd have to be a complete and total idiot to think cooler or frieza is anywhere near first form cell who single handely owned 17 who could kill goku, vegeta, trunks and piccolo at the same time if he wanted to. " "

 
 
Goku's power level was 3,000,000 on Namek. When you combine that with Master Roshi mentioning him getting stronger since he returned to Earth, there you go. His base power level was above 3,000,000 right from the start. Daizenshuu 6 states that Movie 5 takes place after Trunks appears. So, the events on Namek still took place. Cooler's henchman Dore thinks that it's impossible to survive Cooler's destructive ray, yet was corrected on that (by Cooler himself) - it's pretty obvious that Goku wasn't weaker than anyone besides Cooler, prior to the zenkai.  Piccolo's post-Namek battle power would be over a million, since he was stronger than the "over a million" 2nd form Freeza. And Goku, who was even stronger than him was smiled at after using a kiai on Sauza/Neiz/Dore, landing a physical blow, being restrained by one of them, and taking some time and effort to deflect a ki blast from Sauza. Together, they're strong enough to cause Goku trouble. And Goku's superior to Piccolo, who's battle power is over a million.  
 
But either way you slice it (and even if you remove Cooler from the scene for a bit) - Yardrat Goku still had two jumps in power during the course of Movie 5 (one of them huge...), and he still couldn't bring himself to resist Cooler's signature technique. I mean, really, did the gap in power even seem to be that large between the two when all was said and done? Cooler's punch (to SSJ Goku) looked like it had hardly any force behind it, and he simply laughed off Goku's two-hit combo, which wasn't dissimilar to Goku's laughter after 100% Freeza was allowed to get in a powerful-looking blow. If Cooler was so pathetically weak, Goku would've pulled a "Base Vegetto" with the Supernova. But he didn't, the Supernova pushed SSJ Goku into the ground and was completely overpowering him until Goku powered up a Kamehameha to push the Supernova back. Cooler's official power level in base (that means without going into his Final Form) is higher than Freeza's max power level by 20,000,000.  You can try and argue this all you want but Freeza gets utterly stomped no matter what way you try and spin it.  "

Oh come on guys no need to fight. DBZ BATTLES ARE AWESOME!

" @Prince CortSether said:

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" @Louisiana Bob said:

" @Prince CortSether said:

" Both Base Cooler and Base Goku in Movie 5 were stronger than 100% Freeza at that point. Cooler takes this with ease. "

XD and once again with this... honestly...after being proven wrong.....4 times now..you still keep saying this.....why? Just shhh "

Quit trolling. I played that game a long time ago and I discovered it isn't cute. Hopefully you'll learn the same but dude, nobody on here takes you seriously at all. 
 

@Louisiana Bob

said:

" also frieza stomps. not only did cooler state that frieza was stronger than he is...but he did not get one shotted and embarrassed by goku like cooler was.  "

Amazing you claim to know so much about DBZ yet you're so off the mark here. 
 

@Darth_Amaron

said:

" did cooler really admitted that frieza was stronger? or was it just a mistake in the english dub? "

The only thing even possibly indicating Freeza was stronger in their original forms is when Cooler says in the FUNI English dub "Freeza was always trying to prove he was better than me and he definitely had the edge, but then I transformed". Having the edge can mean a lot of things so that's not a clear indication. In the Japanese TOEI dub, Cooler makes absolutely no mention of Freeza possibly being stronger. 
 
in the official translation of Movie 5, Cooler simply says to SSJ Goku: "I see... So this is why my brother was no match for you!" The statement flows perfectly with everything else up to that point. Cooler finds out his younger brother was killed by a Saiyan, Cooler fearlessly seeks this Saiyan out, Cooler invites this same Saiyan to attack him (specifically, to show him the power capable of killing Freeza), gets taken by surprise by that power, and then confirms that Goku was indeed powerful enough to have defeated Freeza. And to top it all off, he never planned to rely on his most powerful transformation. And as for Goku, he got, near a 33x zenkai on Namek. So with a base-form BP higher than 3,000,000, his zenkai would only need to be less than a 40x increase to line up with Cooler's "good enough" statement. Again, nothing out-of-the-ordinary about that. The only way that they aren't stupidly powerful is if Cooler knew nothing of Freeza's max power. And honestly, why would the older brother be left in the dark about that? Piccolo's strength increased by more than 50x just through sheer training, but it's silly to think that in the Toei-verse of all places, Goku couldn't have gotten a ~40x power increase with a zenkai? Movies 5 and 6 have some crazy power scaling going on, you can't fit it perfectly with the battle powers in the main timeline.  Either way, Cooler's (base) battle power is officially higher than Freeza's by 20 million. So whether or not he guessed that he was stronger, or if he just *knew*, he was correct. I think that's all that matters.  "

XD sir you keep babbling on about me trolling you because you totally got this ridiculous statement you keep copy pasting shot down...but it just makes me laugh.  So once more..you not knowing what you're talking about and having that proven does not make everyone else a troll...mkay
 
since you keep copy pasting the same ignorant crap that was shot down so many times before i'll copy paste the post that did so. 
 
 " Again   cooler fighting goku in super saiyan form   and going i see why my brother was killed equals   base form goku is stronger than frieza .............do you even know what logic is?     and by the way goku at ssj on namek was 150,000,000..his base was 3,000,000...if going by your half assed logic that i will tear down later...that would mean gokus base form after zenkai was 99,000,000....still lower than his super saiyan form...so not only do you use logic that cant even be considered logic..but you're still wrong. And for the record goku received a high ass zenkai after being near death....he wasnt anywhere near death after he beat frieza...nevermind the fact that zenkais are inconsistent and most of the time goku and vegeta received about double increase instead of the 33 times increase. All of this was of course said to you before.....but hey people like you dont let a thing called facts get in your way huh. You'd have to be a complete and total idiot to think cooler or frieza is anywhere near first form cell who single handely owned 17 who could kill goku, vegeta, trunks and piccolo at the same time if he wanted to. " "

 
 
Goku's power level was 3,000,000 on Namek. When you combine that with Master Roshi mentioning him getting stronger since he returned to Earth, there you go. His base power level was above 3,000,000 right from the start. Daizenshuu 6 states that Movie 5 takes place after Trunks appears. So, the events on Namek still took place. Cooler's henchman Dore thinks that it's impossible to survive Cooler's destructive ray, yet was corrected on that (by Cooler himself) - it's pretty obvious that Goku wasn't weaker than anyone besides Cooler, prior to the zenkai.  Piccolo's post-Namek battle power would be over a million, since he was stronger than the "over a million" 2nd form Freeza. And Goku, who was even stronger than him was smiled at after using a kiai on Sauza/Neiz/Dore, landing a physical blow, being restrained by one of them, and taking some time and effort to deflect a ki blast from Sauza. Together, they're strong enough to cause Goku trouble. And Goku's superior to Piccolo, who's battle power is over a million.  
 
But either way you slice it (and even if you remove Cooler from the scene for a bit) - Yardrat Goku still had two jumps in power during the course of Movie 5 (one of them huge...), and he still couldn't bring himself to resist Cooler's signature technique. I mean, really, did the gap in power even seem to be that large between the two when all was said and done? Cooler's punch (to SSJ Goku) looked like it had hardly any force behind it, and he simply laughed off Goku's two-hit combo, which wasn't dissimilar to Goku's laughter after 100% Freeza was allowed to get in a powerful-looking blow. If Cooler was so pathetically weak, Goku would've pulled a "Base Vegetto" with the Supernova. But he didn't, the Supernova pushed SSJ Goku into the ground and was completely overpowering him until Goku powered up a Kamehameha to push the Supernova back. Cooler's official power level in base (that means without going into his Final Form) is higher than Freeza's max power level by 20,000,000.  You can try and argue this all you want but Freeza gets utterly stomped no matter what way you try and spin it.  "

 idk what you aim to prove by coolers henchmen going OMG no one can survive that when the ginyu force didnt think goku could take on them yet alone frieza.
 
The fact that Goku was obviously the strongest one there aside from Cooler
 
 
i dont know what you aim to prove by talking about goku struggled with coolers henchmen when piccolo basically one shotted them..and then say piccolo is weaker than goku. 
 
Goku wasn't being serious. Piccolo removed his weighted clothes from the beginning and wasted no time in trying to kill them. 
 
 i dont know why you choose to keep babbling on about gaps of power/ huge power boost when that was already shot down...one of which was shot down by yourself.  
 
You never actually shot down anything and I never shot down anything by myself. Quit making up scenarios that never happened. 
 
frieza was allowed to shoot goku with an energy blast in the face...which goku already knocked away in base form..when frieza was still not using 100 power...and you're comparing that with cooler using his final form and punching goku and failing to even make him flinch....when frieza caused him pain....brilliant.  
 
That's not even the instance I'm talking about. I said Cooler laughing off a SSJ Goku's two-hit combo was akin to the instance SSJ Goku laughed off what looked like was a powerful blow from 100% Freeza. 
 
Goku pushed off the supernova attack with his bare hands prompting cooler to scream what and then goku blasted it away with a K-wave..so no
 
Proof that you don't even remember the movie. The Supernova was pushing SSJ Goku into the earth and was even partially burrowed into the earth's crust. Goku was just able to push back the Supernova by firing a massive Kamehameha at. 
 
  please spare everyone you giving Cooler an "official" PL as if you're akira toryiama...it's not cute. Theres absolutely nothing to argue about prince. 
 
Exactly. So stop arguing that Freeza is superior to Cooler in any form. Because he isn't.
 
You keep pathetically using abc logic that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to try and say cooler is stronger than goku...you're own math fails....your abc logic of goku fought blah blah blah fails....and then you accuse me of trying to put a spin on things...seriously just hush already 
 
Actually what I said makes perfect sense and you're just choosing to ignore it because you like to troll me and argue with anything I say regarding DBZ.
 
Base form goku is not stronger than super saiyan form  and cooler isn't stronger than frieza 
 
SSJ Goku Movie 5 > Final Form Cooler > Kaioken Goku Movie 5 > Base Goku Movie 5 = Base Cooler Movie 5 > 100% Freeza
 
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"Actually, I wanna say Frieza takes this. Cooler said that Frieza was always stronger than him and base Goku beat him to the point that he felt he would need to transform. Frieza didnt even need 100% to beat base Goku. on top of that, 100% Final form Frieza put up a much better fight against SSJ Goku than Final form Cooler. "

" @alexman113 said:

"Actually, I wanna say Frieza takes this. Cooler said that Frieza was always stronger than him and base Goku beat him to the point that he felt he would need to transform. Frieza didnt even need 100% to beat base Goku. on top of that, 100% Final form Frieza put up a much better fight against SSJ Goku than Final form Cooler. "

Gotta agree completely! But something else to take into consideration... Timeline wise, Goku fought Cooler after his business on Namek, where in that case, he was already MUCH stronger since he healed from substantial damage and was  already transformed by then. Still, Goku DID beat Cooler's 3rd form with minimal effort, yet he struggled with Frieza's Fianl form at 50% power... Gotta say Frieza on this one... "

" @crmidnight said:

" @alexman113 said:

"Actually, I wanna say Frieza takes this. Cooler said that Frieza was always stronger than him and base Goku beat him to the point that he felt he would need to transform. Frieza didnt even need 100% to beat base Goku. on top of that, 100% Final form Frieza put up a much better fight against SSJ Goku than Final form Cooler. "

Gotta agree completely! But something else to take into consideration... Timeline wise, Goku fought Cooler after his business on Namek, where in that case, he was already MUCH stronger since he healed from substantial damage and was  already transformed by then. Still, Goku DID beat Cooler's 3rd form with minimal effort, yet he struggled with Frieza's Fianl form at 50% power... Gotta say Frieza on this one... "

Goku and Cooler were stalemating with Goku maybe having the slight edge. Cooler was still perfectly fine after their initial fight ended. He then stated that it was clearly enough power to defeat Freeza. Goku was stronger than Freeza's full power while in base form in Movie 5. "

" @Prince CortSether said:

" @crmidnight said:

" @alexman113 said:

"Actually, I wanna say Frieza takes this. Cooler said that Frieza was always stronger than him and base Goku beat him to the point that he felt he would need to transform. Frieza didnt even need 100% to beat base Goku. on top of that, 100% Final form Frieza put up a much better fight against SSJ Goku than Final form Cooler. "

Gotta agree completely! But something else to take into consideration... Timeline wise, Goku fought Cooler after his business on Namek, where in that case, he was already MUCH stronger since he healed from substantial damage and was  already transformed by then. Still, Goku DID beat Cooler's 3rd form with minimal effort, yet he struggled with Frieza's Fianl form at 50% power... Gotta say Frieza on this one... "

Goku and Cooler were stalemating with Goku maybe having the slight edge. Cooler was still perfectly fine after their initial fight ended. He then stated that it was clearly enough power to defeat Freeza. Goku was stronger than Freeza's full power while in base form in Movie 5. "

He never said "It's clearly enough to defeat Frieza" he said something along the lines, "Now I can see why you gave my brother so much trouble." They didn't really stalemate, either. Goku was actually winning. Cooler didn't really land any punches on Goku in that form. However, when he transformed, he curbstomped Goku until Goku transformed as well.  Either way, the thread never said Frieza can't use 100% power. 100% power could probably wipe out Cooler 3rd form. Cooler's final transformation, I will admitt would Curbstomp Frieza, but in this thread, that's not the case. "

Never said that Cooler can't use 100% either. Though it's not like he'd need it, he'd still win. 100% Freeza lost to a SSJ Goku on Namek who was weaker than Goku's base form in Movie 5. Regardless, Cooler recognized that Goku's base was enough to give him the win. It was stalemating. Goku gets in a flurry of punches when Cooler says he wants to see the power that defeated his brother, and then after he was hit he catches both of Goku's fists and forces the fight in the water. Even when the fight ended, Cooler is standing there perfectly fine, not even breathing heavily or anything. " 
 

"@Prince CortSether:  
 and yet goku struggle with friezas henchmen when piccolo just showed up and pretty much one shotted them


lol they attacked his son but goku wasnt being serious.....sure


i shot down everything you said but you can have whatever dilsusion you like..i couldnt care less. You babbling about goku struggling with friezas henchmen and then saying oh piccolo came and wiped the floor with them..and then saying goku is stronger than piccolo....yeah you pretty much owned yourself. And of course in the next post you babble on about goku not being serious.....if you didnt think goku was being serious..why the hell would you mention goku struggling agianst frizas henchmen and his attaacks being laughed at in an effort...yes..you owned yourself..contradicted yourself..but again..what else is new


lol what? The only time goku told frieza to take a free shot at him was when frieza used death ray and couldnt hit gku..to which goku said he would stop and let himself be hit by it...and friez wasnt using full power..so again i dont know why you're sitting here talking about goku giving cooler a free shot and obviously not being hurt by the blows..and cooler was using his an extra transformation than frieza...and it did not phase goku..when friezas blows did.


sir sitting here saying something having it shot down and telling me im wrong and that its proof that im wrong becaus what you think happened is what really happened......yeah...lulz


  

  4:48sir im not about to play this nu uh uh huh game with you either...anyone who can read can see my post tore a whole right through all of your non sense so im not concerned with your nu uh'swhen you can figure out that 99,000,000 is less than 150,000,000 then i will actually take you seriously. You can have whatever opinion you want...just know that yours is wrong. have a nice night     "

" @Louisiana Bob said:

"@Prince CortSether:  
 and yet goku struggle with friezas henchmen when piccolo just showed up and pretty much one shotted them


lol they attacked his son but goku wasnt being serious.....sure


i shot down everything you said but you can have whatever dilsusion you like..i couldnt care less. You babbling about goku struggling with friezas henchmen and then saying oh piccolo came and wiped the floor with them..and then saying goku is stronger than piccolo....yeah you pretty much owned yourself. And of course in the next post you babble on about goku not being serious.....if you didnt think goku was being serious..why the hell would you mention goku struggling agianst frizas henchmen and his attaacks being laughed at in an effort...yes..you owned yourself..contradicted yourself..but again..what else is new


lol what? The only time goku told frieza to take a free shot at him was when frieza used death ray and couldnt hit gku..to which goku said he would stop and let himself be hit by it...and friez wasnt using full power..so again i dont know why you're sitting here talking about goku giving cooler a free shot and obviously not being hurt by the blows..and cooler was using his an extra transformation than frieza...and it did not phase goku..when friezas blows did.


sir sitting here saying something having it shot down and telling me im wrong and that its proof that im wrong becaus what you think happened is what really happened......yeah...lulz


  

  4:48sir im not about to play this nu uh uh huh game with you either...anyone who can read can see my post tore a whole right through all of your non sense so im not concerned with your nu uh'swhen you can figure out that 99,000,000 is less than 150,000,000 then i will actually take you seriously. You can have whatever opinion you want...just know that yours is wrong. have a nice night     "

Not all to sure where you're getting 150,000,000 power level from. If I'm not mistaken, it's only about 15,000,000. Same thing with the 99,000,000... In Frieza/Cooler era, the power levels weren't nearly that high! "

as i remember, goku cooler almost killed goku when he was hit by cooler's eye beams correct? but he was saved by eating senzu beans.does that count as an upgrade since saiyans become stronger every near death experience? plus, the fighting goku experienced at the hands of frieza(that must be a hell of a workout)? 
 
im not saying cooler could one shot goku since its a known fact that goku wasnt even powered up yet when he was hit by cooler's eye beams.the fact that he recovered from a near death experience caused by that attack must have contributed something to goku's overall power right?

i have to say frieza here
frieza fought SS1 goku at his best showing and had a good chance of winning
 
cooler didnt last at all
 
btw there is no proof cooler is 10x stronger

" I remember Cooler having to transform just to fight evenly with base Goku, which is quite pathetic. Frieza put up a better fight than Cooler, I say Frieza wins here. "

"ITS OVER 9000! "

Cooler is supposed to be more powerful than Frieza.

I'd say cooler

" @JThree47693 said:

" I remember Cooler having to transform just to fight evenly with base Goku, which is quite pathetic. Frieza put up a better fight than Cooler, I say Frieza wins here. "

Im pretty sure they were already evenly matched b4 he even transformed. "