FOX Silver Surfer vs. CW Supergirl

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Who wins

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Supergirl

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GETS STOMPED

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Surfer Easily.

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Surfer stomps. What can Kara actually do to him?

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#5  Edited By TheSuperor

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@acer515 said:
@peterparkerjr said:

Surfer stomps. What can Kara actually do to him?

Knock him off his board.

Fox Silver Surfer can't operate without his board.

And how she's gonna do that? It took a Reed Richards plot device to knock him off the board. He can't be knocked off via speed blitz.

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Pretty sure Surfer slaughters.

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Morals off either Kara melts him with HV or Norrin planet busts?

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Surfer can cancel out Supergirl's physical attacks and laser vision with phasing or his board-portal trick and can probably match her in speed, although she's gotta be stronger and potentially tougher, so I'm leaning heavily towards Surfer here.

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@rbt: How powerful is her HV?. Johnny's attack barely seemed to do much to him and he can also phase

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@rbt: How powerful is her HV?. Johnny's attack barely seemed to do much to him and he can also phase

With a continuous charge, she basically disintegrated Red Tornado, someone who was her physical equal. She also killed another Kryptonian with her HV. So, quite powerful. Also, IIRC, Norrin felt Victor's electric attack.

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@rbt: Norrin felt Victors attack in the same way you or I would feel a tickle. IIRC, Johhny's flames were said to be as hot as the sun or hotter in the first movie, though after he kinda exerted himself.

Remember that Surfer did survive his apparent planet busting suicide attack against Galactus. Do the CW Kryptonians have any comparable durability feats?

Also Surfer can still phase or blast her back.

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Norrin felt Victors attack in the same way you or I would feel a tickle. IIRC, Johhny's flames were said to be as hot as the sun or hotter in the first movie, though after he kinda exerted himself.

IIRC, only when Johhny went supernova to stop Victor, he was said to be hotter than sun. Otherwise, no.

Remember that Surfer did survive his apparent planet busting suicide attack against Galactus. Do the CW Kryptonians have any comparable durability feats? Also Surfer can still phase or blast her back.

Not really. But like someone else pointed out, Surfer can be knocked off his board with physical attack. And after that, he's basically down.

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@rbt: My point of bringing up the Supernova feat was to show that his flames were nothing to scoff at

And Surfer was never knocked off his board by physical force. Reed had to use a tachyon device to do that

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My point of bringing up the Supernova feat was to show that his flames were nothing to scoff at

His supernova feat doesn't matter since he is normally not that powerful. Not even close.

And Surfer was never knocked off his board by physical force. Reed had to use a tachyon device to do that

I'm quoting acer515 here-

It was shown at the end of the Rise of the Silver Surfer that Dr.Doom (who had absorbed Silver Surfers full powers) could be separated from the board with a simple wrecking ball once sufficiently disoriented by a composite Johnny Storm.

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@acer515 said:
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@acer515 said:
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Surfer stomps. What can Kara actually do to him?

Knock him off his board.

Fox Silver Surfer can't operate without his board.

And how she's gonna do that? It took a Reed Richards plot device to knock him off the board. He can't be knocked off via speed blitz.

CBS Supergirl can lift over 1 million tons with ease.

It was shown at the end of the Rise of the Silver Surfer that Dr.Doom (who had absorbed Silver Surfers full powers) could be separated from the board with a simple wrecking ball once sufficiently disoriented by a composite Johnny Storm.

Based on this I think Supergirl could successfully speed blitz, or otherwise knock Silver Surfer off the board.

I also argue that Kara has been shown to be sufficiently powerful to fight Silver Surfer normally, at least long enough to knock him off the board.

In any case I don't really think it's fair to say Fox Silver Surfer would stomp CW Kara.

Kara being able to lift a million tons is not removing Surfer from his board. And Doom didn't exactly have the same connection to the board that Surfer had.

If Supergirl tries to blitz Surfer, who's much faster than she is, she'll just get absorbed into his board:

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Kara doesn't have anything in her arsenal to hurt Surfer. Whereas Surfer can phase through anything, his thunderclaps have leveled half a forest, he's knocked around missiles, his force energy can hurt Kara, and he's also soloed a planetary being that can eat planets.

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#22  Edited By BruceRogers

@rbt: Well then the same can be said for Kara, no?. Does she consistently top at 1 million tons?.

And Doom isnt Surfer, so their feats and shortcommings arent transferable. For one, how do you know that Doom had the same connection to the board as the Surfer did?

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#24  Edited By RBT

@brucerogers:

Well then the same can be said for Kara, no?. Does she consistently top at 1 million tons?.

She does. Just because she doesn't have a million ton lifting feat in every episode doesn't mean she can't. And its not same with her as it is with Johhny. His power fluctuates. Hers don't.

And Doom isnt Surfer, so their feats and shortcommings arent transferable. For one, how do you know that Doom had the same connection to the board as the Surfer did?

Why wouldn't he? He literally stole all the power from Norrin. There is no reason to believe that Victor was any less powerful or any different from Norrin.

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Nope. You're missing context. Plot device for Norrin, and only when Johnny ruined Doom's device was he separated from the board.

@rbt said:

I'm quoting acer515 here-

It was shown at the end of the Rise of the Silver Surfer that Dr.Doom (who had absorbed Silver Surfers full powers) could be separated from the board with a simple wrecking ball once sufficiently disoriented by a composite Johnny Storm.

And he's wrong. Thus so are you.

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@rbt: Well I havent seen Supergirl to contest that point,so I will take your word for it.

Again, I brought up the supernova feat to show how powerful his flames are in general.

As for Victor, he failed to show the level of damage output or the matter manipulation Norrin had showed. Plus Norrin could still call his board towards him when it was in a close enough vicinity, something Victor never showed. Not to mention the fact that Victor was using it for the first time ever and would not have the level of control over it that Norrin possessed.

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@rbt: Well I havent seen Supergirl to contest that point,so I will take your word for it.

Again, I brought up the supernova feat to show how powerful his flames are in general.

As for Victor, he failed to show the level of damage output or the matter manipulation Norrin had showed. Plus Norrin could still call his board towards him when it was in a close enough vicinity, something Victor never showed. Not to mention the fact that Victor was using it for the first time ever and would not have the level of control over it that Norrin possessed.

I rewatched the last part of movie. It wasn't physical force that knocked Victor off the board. SO, I'll concede on that one.

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@risingbean: Good point. I completely forgot about that since its been a while since I have seen the films

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@brucerogers: I'm blessed with having a near photographic memory of the FF films. :/

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Do you hate Kara or something? LoL Silver Surfer stomps.

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Surfer with ease.

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surfer planet busts

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Norrin beats her without breaking a sweat...don't think he does ever

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@brucerogers: @rbt: @peterparkerjr: @acer515:

This one seems like a draw to me. Surfer didn't seem to have any obvious weaknesses to blunt force trauma, heat or cold, so I'm not sure how Supergirl would end the fight. And on the flipside, Surfer doesn't really have a sure way to KO Supergirl. I guess he could BFR her into space, but she's strong enough to overpower him if he tries to grab her by the throat and drag her into space, like he did Human torch. It seems like they would stalemate each other. How does Surfer finish her?

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@brucerogers: @rbt: @peterparkerjr: @acer515:

This one seems like a draw to me. Surfer didn't seem to have any obvious weaknesses to blunt force trauma, heat or cold, so I'm not sure how Supergirl would end the fight. And on the flipside, Surfer doesn't really have a sure way to KO Supergirl. I guess he could BFR her into space, but she's strong enough to overpower him if he tries to grab her by the throat and drag her into space, like he did Human torch. It seems like they would stalemate each other. How does Surfer finish her?

Silver Surfer was casually able to blow entire military equipment to bits. Doom with his powers completely disintegrated General Hager, going all out he destroyed Galactus. Surfer literally has countless ways of beating her.

Supergirl is powerful for sure but this a curbstomp.

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#40  Edited By CramAndman

@cramandman said:

@brucerogers: @rbt: @peterparkerjr: @acer515:

This one seems like a draw to me. Surfer didn't seem to have any obvious weaknesses to blunt force trauma, heat or cold, so I'm not sure how Supergirl would end the fight. And on the flipside, Surfer doesn't really have a sure way to KO Supergirl. I guess he could BFR her into space, but she's strong enough to overpower him if he tries to grab her by the throat and drag her into space, like he did Human torch. It seems like they would stalemate each other. How does Surfer finish her?

Silver Surfer was casually able to blow entire military equipment to bits. Doom with his powers completely disintegrated General Hager, going all out he destroyed Galactus. Surfer literally has countless ways of beating her.

Supergirl is powerful for sure but this a curbstomp.

General Hager is a human being, he isn't anything like Supergirl and Doom was bested by a composite of the fantastic four. In the end, if he needs to go all out as he did against Galactus to destroy Supergirl, then it's basically a draw, as he committed suicide to do so. Winning by that slim a margin, isn't much of a victory.

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@cramandman: Surfer didnt commit suicide. He was clearly alive and well during the stinger.

And as noted above, Doom was only really bested after Johnny destroyed his device.

And to answer your question, he just blasts her to smithereens.

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@cramandman: Surfer didnt commit suicide. He was clearly alive and well during the stinger.

And as noted above, Doom was only really bested after Johnny destroyed his device.

And to answer your question, he just blasts her to smithereens.

Well, it clearly KO'ed him, which isn't a definitive victory for Surfer in my opinion. If it was a boxing match, it would be the equivalent of a double-KO, where one of the fighters died. In any case, you also think he can disintegrate Supergirl as Doom disintegrated the General, which would be a preferable outcome.

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Surfer atomizes Supergirl.

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@cramandman: Honestly, its a moot point since Kara doesnt have damage output nor durability close to planet level, so he would need far less to drop her.

Even if he does decide to go all out like he did against Galactus, he can come back from it while she cannot. Its still a victory.

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Surfer destroys her.

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#47  Edited By last0fth3risen

Silver Surfer killed Galactus (who, despite being some kind of weird cosmic cloud, did destroy Saturn). Supergirl gets owned here.

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Don't see how Supergirl can hurt him due to his durability and other powers. Not to mention his ridiculous speed.

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Surfer wins

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Surfer is not beating Kara until he goes all out. He has never faced anyone on Kara’s level before, someone who can lift 1,000,000 tons, who has beaten others at her level before, and who has replicated similar feats of speed ala comparisons with the Flash that including circling the globe multiple times to stop its orbit.

Kara is not winning by any means, but unless Silver Surfer has somehow abilities comparable to Mr. Mxlptlk, I can’t see how it’s an easy fight.