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#1 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11826 posts) - - Show Bio

*Jean has her feats from The Last Stand/Apocalypse

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#2 Posted by HeroUp2112 (18259 posts) - - Show Bio

She'd shred them like toilet paper.

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#3 Posted by DeathWingTerminatorT1000 (417 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Phoenix reduces them to atoms. Would be a better fight if you used comic versions of Supergirl and Martian Manhunter. Probably would still lose though

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#4 Posted by APEX_pretador (20273 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Phoenix reduces them to atoms. Would be a better fight if you used comic versions of Supergirl and Martian Manhunter. Probably would still lose though

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#5 Posted by GeorgeWBush (11826 posts) - - Show Bio

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#6 Posted by Linha-Fone (345 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix.

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#7 Posted by thehunter (3398 posts) - - Show Bio

Comic MMH & Supergirl would lose to Fox Phoenix?

Lolwat?

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#8 Posted by whitefence (20 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix wins.

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#9 Posted by blackpantherisb (7119 posts) - - Show Bio

John goes intangible and kills her

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#10 Edited by LlehDevil (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroup2112 said:

She'd shred them like toilet paper.

This. Mismatch.

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#11 Posted by Battle123axe (8981 posts) - - Show Bio

She obliterate them

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#12 Edited by christianrapper (6159 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't see how she will shred them to paper. supergirl can just throw a car at her or laser vision. they are vastly faster than her. it's not like they are just going to stand there and do nothing.

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#13 Posted by AbelHsu (3533 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't see how she will shred them to paper. supergirl can just throw a car at her or laser vision. they are vastly faster than her. it's not like they are just going to stand there and do nothing.

This.

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#14 Posted by PeterParkerJr (6767 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix wrecks.

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#15 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@georgewbush:

MM could distract Phoenix by TP or intangiblity and Kara could takeout her out.

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#16 Posted by touma (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian manhunter go intangible and take her heart out. lol at Jean fanboy saying comic manhunter will lose.

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#17 Posted by captain_inverse (2328 posts) - - Show Bio

@georgewbush:

MM could distract Phoenix by TP or intangiblity and Kara could takeout her out.

how powerful is his telepathy? can he really go toe-to-toe with her or would he get fodderized like Apoc & Charles did?

i don't see how she will shred them to paper. supergirl can just throw a car at her or laser vision. they are vastly faster than her. it's not like they are just going to stand there and do nothing.

jean has held back a flood with tens of thousands of pounds of force and was multi tasking 3 other things and over came/powered cyclops's optic beams

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#18 Edited by Corvin123 (371 posts) - - Show Bio

@touma said:

Martian manhunter go intangible and take her heart out. lol at Jean fanboy saying comic manhunter will lose.

Yeah, MM just tears out the heart of a firebird with his bare hands. You have to be a Manhunter expert. lol

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#19 Posted by touma (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

@Corvin123: not a man hunter expert but hasn't his hand suppose to be also intangible. just the part which is inside her body will be tangible (and I don't think she can use pheonex force inside her body lol )

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#20 Posted by Corvin123 (371 posts) - - Show Bio

@touma: Fire is normally MM's kryptonite. If he is anywhere near to fire he is in pain and loses his powers. Accordingly no, he would not do anything like that.

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#21 Posted by touma (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

@Corvin123: well I am not a phone expert but I am pretty sure pheonex force is not fire it's cosmic energy .

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#22 Posted by Corvin123 (371 posts) - - Show Bio

@touma: Phoenix fire is not normal fire but it is fire.

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#23 Posted by captain_inverse (2328 posts) - - Show Bio

@touma: Jean has suppressed others powers before.(cyclops optic beams & nightcrawlers teleporting) couldn't she do the same with MM intangability?

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#24 Posted by touma (1756 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Posted by touma (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

@@Corvin123: no, no, no its not fire second manhunter is not weekend by fire he is just scared of fire (it might sound weird but fire goes not make manhunter weak in any way he is just scared of fire) so no her pheonex force is not gonna do shit . he is mentally weak to fire (normal fire) not to another type of fire or heat like heat vision and cosmic fire .

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#26 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@captain_inverse:

MM was able to detect Jemm was controlling the mind of the guard the and when he track and detect the location of the White Martian.

J'onn was able to shove, grapple and pull Jemm without touching him and while being several feet away so he has telekinesis too.

This would be enough to distract Phoenix for few seconds and enough time for Supergirl to give surprise attack.

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#27 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6867 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't see how she will shred them to paper. supergirl can just throw a car at her or laser vision. they are vastly faster than her. it's not like they are just going to stand there and do nothing.

Said car would be atomized, hell preteen Jean manipulated every car in her neighborhood without even seeing them. She created a field of tk that can at least cover an island and had shields that withstood far more than either of them has been shown to exert heat vision included. She can turn off powers and manipulate perceptions. Speed is of no consequence if you are barreling into a tk field that is atom shredding whatever the user wants shredded, which suggests she had full knowledge of what is within her range even without looking as she was shredding everything except other X-Men whom were all in the vicinity. So your scenario is not going to work at all.

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#28 Posted by Corvin123 (371 posts) - - Show Bio

@touma: Dude, it is fire. Check it first, then comment about it. Also MM has a weakness for fire. It does not matter what the source of his weakness is (Guardians), he generally loses his powers because of fire.

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#29 Posted by christianrapper (6159 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean has suppressed others powers before.(cyclops optic beams & nightcrawlers teleporting) couldn't she do the same with MM intangability?

when did she do that in the movie? also, kara and jonn are not mutants.

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#30 Edited by christianrapper (6159 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans said:
@christianrapper said:

i don't see how she will shred them to paper. supergirl can just throw a car at her or laser vision. they are vastly faster than her. it's not like they are just going to stand there and do nothing.

Said car would be atomized, hell preteen Jean manipulated every car in her neighborhood without even seeing them. She created a field of tk that can at least cover an island and had shields that withstood far more than either of them has been shown to exert heat vision included. She can turn off powers and manipulate perceptions. Speed is of no consequence if you are barreling into a tk field that is atom shredding whatever the user wants shredded, which suggests she had full knowledge of what is within her range even without looking as she was shredding everything except other X-Men whom were all in the vicinity. So your scenario is not going to work at all.

she didn't do this in the movie. nothing is stopping kara from just laser eying her. jean was not all powerful. that field did not atomize everthing. wolvie wasn't atomized and he was walking really really slow. also, that field wasn't enough to hurt logan's claws so it can be penetrated.

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#31 Posted by WarDevil (799 posts) - - Show Bio

@christianrapper: In X2 she stopped nightcrawler from teleporting and in X3 she was able to suppress cyclops eye beams before she killed him. Being a mutant has nothing to do with how she stops them from using their power.

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#32 Posted by christianrapper (6159 posts) - - Show Bio

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@christianrapper: In X2 she stopped nightcrawler from teleporting and in X3 she was able to suppress cyclops eye beams before she killed him. Being a mutant has nothing to do with how she stops them from using their power.

being a mutant does has everything to do with it. there are only mutants in her world. there are no aliens. you can't just give her an ability she does not have.

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#33 Edited by WarDevil (799 posts) - - Show Bio

@christianrapper: No, mutant powers are genetic. She does not just turn off their mutant powers. She uses telepathy to prevent them from accessing/using their powers.

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#34 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (6867 posts) - - Show Bio

@christianrapper said:
@lordofallhumans said:
@christianrapper said:

i don't see how she will shred them to paper. supergirl can just throw a car at her or laser vision. they are vastly faster than her. it's not like they are just going to stand there and do nothing.

Said car would be atomized, hell preteen Jean manipulated every car in her neighborhood without even seeing them. She created a field of tk that can at least cover an island and had shields that withstood far more than either of them has been shown to exert heat vision included. She can turn off powers and manipulate perceptions. Speed is of no consequence if you are barreling into a tk field that is atom shredding whatever the user wants shredded, which suggests she had full knowledge of what is within her range even without looking as she was shredding everything except other X-Men whom were all in the vicinity. So your scenario is not going to work at all.

she didn't do this in the movie. nothing is stopping kara from just laser eying her. jean was not all powerful. that field did not atomize everthing. wolvie wasn't atomized and he was walking really really slow. also, that field wasn't enough to hurt logan's claws so it can be penetrated.

She didn't do what in the movie? What's stopping Kara and her laser vision is a force field that can take more than Kara can dish. Wolverine wasn't atomized because she was not trying to kill her friends which is why all the X-Men survived even though people around them were being destroyed. Kara and MM are not beating her especially with this weak ass assault you believe will work.

While I'm at it I'll address, they're not mutants. She does not have the power to specifically suppress mutant powers, that's Leech, she can surpress them two ways, telepathically deny them access or telekinetically hold them back, so being alien is irrelevant, especially two aliens we know for a fact are susceptible to telepathy with neither having a fraction of the shielding it would take to resist her.

Dare I say, Jean stomps!!

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#35 Edited by uugieboogie (13063 posts) - - Show Bio

Now Jean can stop anyone from using their powers?

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#36 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

Any way Jean can't stop Kara . She is close to Barry speed .

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#37 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (6867 posts) - - Show Bio

@uugieboogie said:

Now Jean can stop anyone from using their powers?

Jean is a telepath, if your powers need you to think she can stop them and there is proof she can, because she did it to Nightcrawler.

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Any way Jean can't stop Kara . She is close to Barry speed .

Her speed is irrelevant because she will be speeding into a tk field that Jean can control down to at least the atomic level, while being able to blindly manipulate matter because she has several feats of doing so without seeing what is in her field.

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#38 Posted by dorukesin1 (1881 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn is jobber and probably dies because when someone hit him he forgot that he have intangibility power.Kara blitzes

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#39 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6867 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn is jobber and probably dies because when someone hit him he forgot that he have intangibility power.Kara blitzes

Into a field of atom shredding tk, that can hold back far more force than she can dish out.

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#40 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans:

If Jean was able to control to atomic level then why wasn't she able to destroy adamantium skeleton of wolverine.

Kryptonian skin >= adamantium

And kryptonian skin is impenetrable (except kryptonite , red sun , magic).

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#41 Posted by The_Kidd (11968 posts) - - Show Bio
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#42 Edited by WarDevil (799 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52: wasn't doomsday able to bleed superman with his bones? No magic, kryptonite, or red sun...

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#43 Posted by touma (1756 posts) - - Show Bio

@WarDevil: bro are you talking about when superman charged at him with the spear . so yes he was weakened by Kryptonite.

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#44 Edited by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio
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#45 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6867 posts) - - Show Bio

@nightmare52: Holding back, no X-Men died while everything around them was being destroyed. No proof her skin is greater than admantium, and considering adamantium is only as strong as it's molecular bond, while Jean can work on the atomic level her not taking him out was PIS, since she easily took him out earlier before unleashing her full power. Stop ignoring that Jean KOed Wolverine in the mansion for hours. She can manipulate and hold back far more than Kara can dish out, and Kara has no answer for her telepathy. Please remember context.

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#46 Posted by christianrapper (6159 posts) - - Show Bio

@wardevil said:

No, mutant powers are genetic. She does not just turn off their mutant powers. She uses telepathy to prevent them from accessing/using their powers.

she has shown no ability to affect anyone but mutants because there are nothing but mutants in her universe. she has no ability to control anyone but mutants. she couldn't turn off wolvie's healing factor. she is not all powerful.

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#47 Posted by g2_ (11403 posts) - - Show Bio

Team gets obliterated.

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#48 Posted by thanosii (3131 posts) - - Show Bio

Apocolypse has planetary telekinesis he caused an earthquake in Egypt that was felt in Washington. He also has matter manipulation he was able to change sand into a telepathy proof helmet for MAgneto transform Cairo to a pyramid. He was extremely more powerful than Xavier in TP and Xavier can mind control a city.

Jean stomped him in all categories.

How does the team see Jean? She can be invisibleif she wants. Jonn being intangible doesn't mean he has no atoms he just vibrates them faster. Jean will still TK him. Kara gets TPed or vaporized.

Jean can take on the whole CW and win bar time travel

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#49 Posted by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanosii:

Martian manhunter doesn't vibrate he shift density to intangible and he to has invisibility , mental shielding and telekinesis to distract Phoenix.

Kara has x Ray vision and she has enhanced sense so invisibily isn't gonna help.

She is almost close to Barry's speed where his speed is close to mach 3.

She can knock out before Jean could release kara's presence.

Jean never showed any feats to counter speedblitz yet.

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#50 Edited by deactivated-59d29c479f1ca (4066 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans:

Adamatium can be broken like wolverine claw but Kara skin wasn't penetrated till now unless it alien technology designed for kryptonian or kryptonite .

U can't assume that Phoenix can disintegrate any thing when she wasn't able to damage something.

Phoenix killed Charles in her house and she tried to disintegrate wolverine but his healing factor saved him. she would have killed x men if they were in her range but they evacuated most of them only wolverine went back.