Interesting. I don't see hulk one shotting or how Phoenix is a glass canon
-Jean/Phoenix is is an immortal being made out of energy. She doesn't have a physical body and can recreate one if she wants.
-the phoenix is powerful enough to destroy a planet just by flying through it
-just the phoenix coming to earth was giving off energy readings similar to that of a solar flare (equal to millions of nuclear bombs going off)
-jeans telekinesis can overpower magneto who was moving the earth's core and a the metal around the planet. Without Phoenix she overpowered apocalypse who caused earthquakes around the world with his telekinesis
-while asleep, she stomped Xavier amped by cerebro. Base Xavier in apocalypse received amps to be a planetary telepath already, so her stomping him on cerebro is big.
Not seeing how she can be one shot or how a thunder clap will take her out
Hulk thunderclaps, since Jean is still a glass cannon
Right. Glass canon.
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I’m sure he has the power to permanently put her down, just like she was permanently down in the Dark Phoenix movie and not coming back in Days of Future Past, which canonically takes place after Dark Phoenix.
Interesting. I don't see hulk one shotting or how Phoenix is a glass canon
-Jean/Phoenix is is an immortal being made out of energy. She doesn't have a physical body and can recreate one if she wants.
-the phoenix is powerful enough to destroy a planet just by flying through it
-just the phoenix coming to earth was giving off energy readings similar to that of a solar flare (equal to millions of nuclear bombs going off)
-jeans telekinesis can overpower magneto who was moving the earth's core and a the metal around the planet. Without Phoenix she overpowered apocalypse who caused earthquakes around the world with his telekinesis
-while asleep, she stomped Xavier amped by cerebro. Base Xavier in apocalypse received amps to be a planetary telepath already, so her stomping him on cerebro is big.
Not seeing how she can be one shot or how a thunder clap will take her out
Hulk thunderclaps, since Jean is still a glass cannon
Right. Glass canon.
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I’m sure he has the power to permanently put her down, just like she was permanently down in the Dark Phoenix movie and not coming back in Days of Future Past, which canonically takes place after Dark Phoenix.
While I agree that she isn't a glass canon, she did die in Dark Phoenix. Using inconsistencies to prove otherwise doesn't make sense.
@geekryan: @achillesspawn: @akz: Jean didn't die in Dark Phoenix, and DoFP epilogue and Dark Phoenix are not separate timelines.
DoFP epilogue takes place in the reset timeline, which is where Apocalypse and DP take place in. Jean is alive at the end of DP as her Phoenix is seen in the sky. The gap between DP and DoFP is some 30 years.
That said, Jean's fate in the timeline is a huge anti feat. She was killed by a senile Professor X, who Logan was able to survive.
@geekryan: @achillesspawn: @akz: Jean didn't die in Dark Phoenix, and DoFP epilogue and Dark Phoenix are not separate timelines.
DoFP epilogue takes place in the reset timeline, which is where Apocalypse and DP take place in. Jean is alive at the end of DP as her Phoenix is seen in the sky. The gap between DP and DoFP is some 30 years.
That said, Jean's fate in the timeline is a huge anti feat. She was killed by a senile Professor X, who Logan was able to survive.
We don't know the context of this, and it was extremely likely that Jean wasn't the host of the Phoenix during that time.
The DoFP epilogue was retconned in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.
As much as I enjoyed the films, all the different timelines/retcons really didn't help the franchise...
@geekryan: How was the DoFP epilogue retconned in Apocalypse? Nothing in Apocalypse retconend it. As for Dark Phoenix, Jean's Phoenix is seen in the sky, implying she is alive. There's a 30 year gap between DP and DoFP epilogue, more than enough time to come back.
@geekryan: @achillesspawn: @akz: Jean didn't die in Dark Phoenix, and DoFP epilogue and Dark Phoenix are not separate timelines.
DoFP epilogue takes place in the reset timeline, which is where Apocalypse and DP take place in. Jean is alive at the end of DP as her Phoenix is seen in the sky. The gap between DP and DoFP is some 30 years.
That said, Jean's fate in the timeline is a huge anti feat. She was killed by a senile Professor X, who Logan was able to survive.
We don't know the context of this, and it was extremely likely that Jean wasn't the host of the Phoenix during that time.
The DoFP epilogue was retconned in Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.
As much as I enjoyed the films, all the different timelines/retcons really didn't help the franchise...
I agree with both in some ways.
It is an anti-feat that Xavier killed Jean….but we don’t know he did it. And I doubt it is anything that Hulk could replicate ever, so it’s pretty moot to mention.
Hulk thunderclaps, since Jean is still a glass cannon
Right. Glass canon.
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I’m sure he has the power to permanently put her down, just like she was permanently down in the Dark Phoenix movie and not coming back in Days of Future Past, which canonically takes place after Dark Phoenix.
While I agree that she isn't a glass canon, she did die in Dark Phoenix. Using inconsistencies to prove otherwise doesn't make sense.
She isn’t dead. She destroyed her body and ascended as a non-corporeal energy being. She is seen at the end of the movie flying in the sky and Days of Future Past is shown in confirmation that she did in fact live past Dark Phoenix.
@geekryan: How was the DoFP epilogue retconned in Apocalypse? Nothing in Apocalypse retconend it. As for Dark Phoenix, Jean's Phoenix is seen in the sky, implying she is alive. There's a 30 year gap between DP and DoFP epilogue, more than enough time to come back.
Deadpool 1 & 2, which is in the same timeline as Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix and set in the present time, has Colossus as an older Russian man. What we see of Colossus in the DoFP epilogue is a younger American man. Storm isn't the same character either.
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The DoFP epilogue, while great, was just fan service and a way to send off the older cast of X-Men in a positive way. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix completely deviate away from DoFP.
Logan further convolutes things by showing us an alternate timeline that takes place 6 years after DoFP, where we're supposed to believe that Jean was alive and as the Phoenix but somehow got killed by a senile Xavier, when we've already seen her stomp a Cerebro-amped Xavier while asleep.
The most logical explanation is that both the DoFP epilogue and Logan are from different timelines than Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix.
@geekryan: Using Deadpool isn't the best way to assess the timeline IMO. It's way too meta and is clearly just poking fun at it all.
Anyway, Apocalypse clearly takes place in the same timeline as DoFP. The whole point of DoFP was that the timeline was reset and the past had been changed. Apocalypse acknowledges this by including Wolverine's first encounter with the Jean and Cyclops being different, in addition to referencing the events of DoFP. The purpose of te epilogue was to show the audience that the timeline had been changed.
Logan being a separate timeline is contradicted by a few things:
James Mangold corrected Hugh Jackman's claims of it being a separate timeline. If it was a separate timeline, Mangold wouldn't have corrected Jackman
Logan references the events of Apocalypse, specifically Wolverine's escape from alkali base and transigen
@geekryan: Using Deadpool isn't the best way to assess the timeline IMO. It's way too meta and is clearly just poking fun at it all.
Anyway, Apocalypse clearly takes place in the same timeline as DoFP. The whole point of DoFP was that the timeline was reset and the past had been changed. Apocalypse acknowledges this by including Wolverine's first encounter with the Jean and Cyclops being different, in addition to referencing the events of DoFP. The purpose of te epilogue was to show the audience that the timeline had been changed.
Logan being a separate timeline is contradicted by a few things:
James Mangold corrected Hugh Jackman's claims of it being a separate timeline. If it was a separate timeline, Mangold wouldn't have corrected Jackman
Logan references the events of Apocalypse, specifically Wolverine's escape from alkali base and transigen
So how do you explain Jean being alive and as the Phoenix but somehow getting killed by a senile Xavier, when we've already seen her stomp a Cerebro-amped Xavier while asleep?
@frozen: There was one thing bugging me; at the end of DOFP, how did Wolverine get to Stryker if Mystique took him at the end?
Hank's quote in DOFP would answer this:
"There’s a theory in quantum physics that time is immutable. It’s like a river – you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself. No matter what you do the river just keeps flowing in the same direction."
So no matter how much they try and change history, it finds a way to correct itself. Wolverine was always gonna end up with Stryker, just not entirely in the same way we saw it play out before.
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