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Posted by StealthGrey (368 posts) 18 days, 23 minutes ago

Poll: Fox Dark Phoenix vs Cw Team Flash (30 votes)

Jean still stomps 60%
Team kinda stomps 10%
Barry solos 17%
Cisco solos with prep 3%
Caitlin solos 3%
Stalemate 7%

Fight takes place in NYC, 50 meters apart

Team Flash: Barry, Cisco, Caitlin, Ralph and Iris

30 mins of prep and basic intel for both sides

Any win conditions

Team Flash mission here is to stop Jean at all cost

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#1 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean with prep?

Uses invisible force gg
Uses invisible force gg

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#2 Posted by Evil-Incarnate (7245 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean puts up a shield and picks em off

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#3 Posted by Xanman2000 (318 posts) - - Show Bio

As long as Barry isn't jobbing team should win.

Cisco Bfrs her.

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#4 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Posted by Xanman2000 (318 posts) - - Show Bio
@oraculi said:
Invisible force with prep gg
Invisible force with prep gg

@xanman2000:

Flash blitzes before she even has the chance to think.

Flash's speed>>>>>>Jeans.

Jean gets statued.

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#6 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@xanman2000: Nope op says she gets prep so she starts off with invisible force

CantC blitz what you cantc perceive

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#7 Posted by Xanman2000 (318 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi said:

@xanman2000: Nope op says she gets prep so she starts off with invisible force

CantC blitz what you cantc perceive

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Can't tp what you can't perceive.

Flash's speed >>>> Jeans.

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#8 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@xanman2000: nope because she starts off with prep, can't blitz srry

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#9 Posted by Xanman2000 (318 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi said:

@xanman2000: nope because she starts off with prep, can't blitz srry

??? That doesn't mean anything. Jean doesn't instantly start the fight off invisible.

Invisible force requires jean to actually think.

Barry's speed >>>>> the time it takes for her to think.

Barry blitzes cisco bfrs her.

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#10 Edited by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@xanman2000: nope she can have it set up before anyone sees her (and during the prep time) and it needs no line of sight

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Jean wins via prep srry no speedblitz try again

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#11 Posted by diydeath (2554 posts) - - Show Bio

Barry is a loooooot faster than Jean is. Jean was able to react to Quicksilver which is damn impressive but is nothing compared to Barry if he uses Flashtime.

If the blitz somehow fails though, Jean easily solos. Cisco can see what Jean will do but is utterly powerless to stop her given that she can react to Quicksilver.

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#12 Posted by Xanman2000 (318 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi said:

@xanman2000: nope she can have it set up before anyone sees her (and during the prep time) and it needs no line of sight

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Jean wins via prep srry no speedblitz try again

"She can have it set up before anyone see's her"

What do you not understand about Barry being far faster than her? It doesn't matter if she has prior knowledge it still requires her to think to actually activate "invisible force".

Flash team also has prior knowledge so Barry would instantly go into flash time. On top of that Cisco and Caitlyn are prep gods themselves.

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#13 Edited by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@xanman2000: What don't you understand that she'll automatically have invisible force on due to prep?

Okay how bout she'll activate invisible force from space (she has enough prep time to reach space before the fight starts) then tp them to death while there.

:)

Happy?

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#14 Edited by Xanman2000 (318 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi: you're a bad troll lmao. Since you have no counterargument I'll take this as your concession.

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#15 Posted by X_insignia1 (2136 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi:

You do know since prep is involved Cisco and Kaitlin have constructed anti-telepathic bands in the past?

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#16 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@xanman2000:

Me bad troll yeah sure lol

Jean has survived in space, flew to space in two seconds and used planetary ranged tp in space all in the same movie.

Sorry you're butthurt they can do nothing to stop her from sniping them with telepathy from space

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#17 Posted by X_insignia1 (2136 posts) - - Show Bio

They're pretty much prep gods.

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#18 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi:

You do know since prep is involved Cisco and Kaitlin have constructed anti-telepathic bands in the past?

None of them have resisted Jean level of tp

Sorry try again

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#19 Posted by X_insignia1 (2136 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi:

And Jean has never broken through telepathic inhibitors, if she couldnt tp some aliens, what makes you think she could tp through the tech of two geniuses that have mastered dimensional travel and other ridiculous tech feats???....now you please try again. The burden of proof is on YOU.

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#20 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1: The burden of proof is for you to show those telepath inhibitors can resist telepathy from a planet lvl telepath.

Wanking to CW isn't a valid feat btw,

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#21 Posted by X_insignia1 (2136 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi:

Area you actually going to put forth an an actual rebuttal or just say "I'm wanking"? Why couldn't a "planetary" telepath read a few aliens? She's not breaking through the tech. Like I said, post feats that actual refute my points or move on, cause you're just trolling now and not providing anything useful.

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#22 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1: Because FOX Aliens have TP resistance doesn't mean that FOX telepaths are weak lmao, don't see why I have to explain that.

If you have to resort to downplaying and making it as if the person that nearly killed 6 billion people on Earth is "weak" then you are a wanker.

Anyway Jean tp's them because only those bands have only defended to from trash fodder, unless tou have proof of it defending from higher?

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#23 Posted by X_insignia1 (2136 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi:

Feats for breaking through anti-telepathic tech?

No? ok...next

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#24 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1: That's a NLF fanboy lol

But I get it, you're scared that Cisco is gonna get rekt again. Don't worry Jean will rekt him quick

;)

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#25 Posted by X_insignia1 (2136 posts) - - Show Bio

as @xanman2000: said

"Concession accepted"

Maybe next time troll.

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#26 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1: Neither of you even posted feats for the telepathic resistant bands, you just said concession accepted and neglected Jean's superior feats lmao.

You guys suck at debating, all you do is wank nlf and downplay

XD

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#27 Edited by X_insignia1 (2136 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi:

Funny you say that, on one thread you said Jean can atomize durable beings like Superman when she never has, but them on this you're assuming tech created by two geniuses can't block her simply because you feel it won't work against her? when it has been successful against every other telepath. You're very funny.

It is very hypocritical on your part.

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#28 Edited by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

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@oraculi:

Funny you say that, on one thread you said Jean can atomize durable beings like Superman when she never has, but them on this you're assuming tech created by two geniuses can't block her simply because you feel it won't work against her? when it has been successful against every other telepath. You're very funny.

It is very hypocritical on your part.

Considering her tk can over power Magneto's multi thousand ton control over metal there is basis to it being able to atomize Superman, Superman got nearly killed by a multikiloton nuke and Grey has the potential to output that amount of force through her cosmic force.

2) Go ahead and show me all the telepaths it stopped, go on if you are not wanking post the videos.

3) Nah hypocritical is being a coward and not posting feats like you're doing.

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#29 Posted by del_torro (3830 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Jean break through and disintegrate the tech that was used to turn off her powers and restrain her

If they have telepathy blocking tech, couldn't she just disintegrate the tech to dust or destroy it like she broke magnetos helmet

Doesn't she have a telekinetic field around her in last Stand and dark Phoenix that disintegrates anyone that gets close to her

Didn't she overpower Xavier amped by cerebro (to become planetary)

Didn't the D'bari have Telepathic powers, she saw saw through Jeans telepathic illusion and put Jean in an illusion

Also Jean read the minds of the other D'bari and found out that they knew who she is and weren't afraid of her. Same with Xavier who read Vuks mind and found out she wasn't human

Plus Jean has forcefields, regeneration, illusions and can become a planet busting cosmic bird entity if she uses her full power.

If Jean has prep to set this all up before team flash attacks, I don't think they could win.

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#30 Posted by X_insignia1 (2136 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi:

A nuke that didn't even burn his flesh after he was still under the effects of krypton poisoning. Already confirmed it was th blotted out sun + radiation that harmed his body not the heat. He had no scorch marks. That's insane durability.If you want to see check out telepathic inhibitors check out the first Grodd episode + DeVoe ones.

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#31 Posted by X_insignia1 (2136 posts) - - Show Bio

@del_torro:

That tech was already damaged from the battle that transpired when she was unconscious. And I don't recall Jean having any forcefields.There was nothing in the movie to suggest that she couldn't be trapped into another dimension, or somethibg like the speedforce. Even if she tries to destroy the tech, Barry would have pretty much already blitzed her. They HAVE trapped folks in the speedforce before.

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#32 Posted by TheVVitchKing (1038 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean

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#33 Posted by del_torro (3830 posts) - - Show Bio

X_insignia1: I don't know, I figured the tech on Jean was still working since the lights were still on

She used forcefields when she shielded the other X-Men from the train she was destroying. Plus at the beginning of the movie her shield was blocking the Phoenix force before it broke through.

In other movies she held back a flood and deflected a blast from cyclops that damaged a dam

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#34 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (7229 posts) - - Show Bio

@del_torro: and as a kid she had an auto-shield feat.

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#35 Posted by Eobard21 (6398 posts) - - Show Bio

Barry blitz her

He stomps

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#36 Posted by phisigmatau (2067 posts) - - Show Bio

@eobard21 said:

Barry blitz her

He stomps

you didnt watch Dark Phoenix. Jean can't be hurt by phsyical attacks. She got impaled and shrugged it off. Barry stands no chance. He can think faster, but its hapless when he cant lay a finger on her.

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#37 Posted by Eobard21 (6398 posts) - - Show Bio

@phisigmatau: Then Cisco BFR her simple as that

She's never touching Barry

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#38 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@eobard21 said:

@phisigmatau: Then Cisco BFR her simple as that

She's never touching Barry

Cisco is too slow, he gets disintegrated

Image result for jean grey disintegration gif

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#39 Edited by GXrevs06 (4931 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi said:
@eobard21 said:

@phisigmatau: Then Cisco BFR her simple as that

She's never touching Barry

Cisco is too slow, he gets disintegrated

Cisco tagged RF, who is way faster than Quicksilver. Try again

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#40 Posted by Oraculi (3985 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06 said:
@oraculi said:
@eobard21 said:

@phisigmatau: Then Cisco BFR her simple as that

She's never touching Barry

Cisco is too slow, he gets disintegrated

Cisco tagged RF, who is way faster than Quicksilver. Try again

  1. He didn't tag him, RF ran into his portal like the jobber he is lol.
  2. Jean wouldn't run into the portal she'd just handwave disintegrate him at mach 15.
  3. Cisco doesn't have super speed
  4. Soooo... point stands
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#41 Edited by JDogg (1154 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean wrecks. Barry is the only relevant one and he jas nothing in his arsenal to hurt or stop himself from being mind wrecked, tk wrecked, or atomically destroyed.

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#42 Posted by PyroFN (6641 posts) - - Show Bio

@eobard21: “She's never touching Barry”

The wonderful thing about telepathy and telekinesis is that Jean doesn’t need to touch him to begin with.

This battle is a stalemate unless they bfr her. They can’t put her down and they don’t have the resources to know what she could do beyond maybe if they had Cecille to see what Jean is, which even then isn’t guaranteed since Jean can block out other psychics. That said, maybe, MAYBE, Cecille can possibly see that Jean is at least a psychic. That’s all I would give Cecille.

Like I said, stalemate.

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#43 Posted by PyroFN (6641 posts) - - Show Bio

@x_insignia1: Jeans tech wasn’t damaged at all. None of the tech was damaged. The guard turned off the X-Men’s collars, but not Jeans. Yet, Jean was able to communicate, watch over the entire battlefield, and break out of the tech with no trouble whatsoever. The team isn’t putting Jean down. Their best bet is to bfr her. That is it.

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#44 Posted by KoolKermy (104 posts) - - Show Bio

She can't die and Cisco isn't fast enough to bfr her, only person with any chance is Barry. In order to put someone in the speedforce Barry usually has to have physical contact with them and she'll have her shields on with prep. I could honestly see him jobbing and running into the shield proceeding to get vaporized a second later by her.

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#45 Posted by Rijehu (1839 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Flash

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#46 Edited by Chewbacca (212 posts) - - Show Bio

Team flash is getting vaporized

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#47 Posted by KanyeCosby (7262 posts) - - Show Bio

Barry solos. Barry in speed >>>>>>>> Fox Quicksilver

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#48 Posted by Eobard21 (6398 posts) - - Show Bio

Barry solos

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#49 Posted by Tony501 (266 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean Stomps