FOX Dark Phoenix & Magneto vs MCU Thor & Captain Marvel

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#51 Posted by samhmd1 (744 posts) - - Show Bio

@samhmd1: so dwarf magic is above Odin magic? Yet no magic or enchanted weapon they had could stop him from killing all but one? Everything worked fine before he got there. So SB is greater than universal? PIS. If SB wasn't channeling his power why were it's attacks lightning based?

He's channeling some of his power through it, doesn't mean that's all it does. And seeing how the Dwarves were the ones who made Mjolnir in the first place their skill would be on par with Odins magic. And Thanos had the Power Stone at the time so I don't blame them for losing to him.

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#52 Posted by samhmd1 (744 posts) - - Show Bio

@samhmd1: I'm sorry, am I forgetting the 7th "magnet stone" on the IG?

Thanos didn't react in time. Uru is metal, and Magneto affects non-magnetic metals and even alien metals like adamantium. The only reason that Thanos wouldn't control the gauntlet is because it is uru like the gauntlet. The resistance is only specific to the stones and there is nothing suggesting that magnetic powers from a mutant don't work.

So he solos.

As does Jean.

The Reality Stone is beyond Magneto's powers, and it didn't stop SB. Uru is magical as well as a metal, and that makes the difference. If the Reality Stone boosted by the Power Stone in conjunction with the other Stones' powers couldn't stop SB then Magneto isn't doing jack.

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#53 Posted by GeorgeWBush (12637 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos has no issue pressing Stormbreaker into Thor’s chest

Magneto who can control metal on a planetary level is vastly more powerful than base Thanos. Erik guts Thor with ease

Or Jean solos

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#54 Posted by PyroFN (6859 posts) - - Show Bio

@samhmd1: 1) “The Reality Stone is beyond Magneto's powers, and it didn't stop SB.”

Thanos wasn’t use the full effects of the reality stone. He got hit once and tried to counter with a blast. We don’t know how much power Thanos used from the guantlet, but it’s doubtful that he used he full-range if it’s abilities. Stormbreaker has never displayed anything on a universal level or even planetary level before or afterwards. Until Stormbreaker does, that feat will be considered an outlier.

2) “Uru is magical as well as a metal, and that makes the difference.”

Not unless they stated that nothing can stop it. The magic enchantment only applies to whoever tries lifting it. There is no statement about it negating outside forces, so saying that magic is the reason it would win is not only vague, it’s making stretching remarks that hold no evidence in support.

3) “If the Reality Stone boosted by the Power Stone in conjunction with the other Stones' powers couldn't stop SB then Magneto isn't doing jack.”

If Stormbreakers hasn’t done anything on that level before or after, then it isn’t likely outputting energy to destroy a universe. Your only basis is an outlier and no-limits fallacy regarding magic.

Magneto will control it just fine.

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#55 Posted by destinyman75 (15565 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Really The wank of Jean is unbelievable at this point. Mutants die

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#56 Posted by samhmd1 (744 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn said:

@samhmd1: 1) “The Reality Stone is beyond Magneto's powers, and it didn't stop SB.”

Thanos wasn’t use the full effects of the reality stone. He got hit once and tried to counter with a blast. We don’t know how much power Thanos used from the guantlet, but it’s doubtful that he used he full-range if it’s abilities. Stormbreaker has never displayed anything on a universal level or even planetary level before or afterwards. Until Stormbreaker does, that feat will be considered an outlier.

2) “Uru is magical as well as a metal, and that makes the difference.”

Not unless they stated that nothing can stop it. The magic enchantment only applies to whoever tries lifting it. There is no statement about it negating outside forces, so saying that magic is the reason it would win is not only vague, it’s making stretching remarks that hold no evidence in support.

3) “If the Reality Stone boosted by the Power Stone in conjunction with the other Stones' powers couldn't stop SB then Magneto isn't doing jack.”

If Stormbreakers hasn’t done anything on that level before or after, then it isn’t likely outputting energy to destroy a universe. Your only basis is an outlier and no-limits fallacy regarding magic.

Magneto will control it just fine.

The IG Blast was after he got all the Stones, it was a full power blast and SB wasn't even slowed down. That puts SB on Universal level of power.

They don't need to make a statement, the evidence is on screen. It No-Sold a shot from a full power IG. If it can negate the Reality Stone then Magneto isn't doing anything to it.

SB only got used for proper battle usage in that one scene and there were no IG blasts for it to deflect in Endgame.

Magneto has no chance. This is a guy who went down to a plastic bullet.

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#57 Posted by EternalDarkFury (3146 posts) - - Show Bio

Muties still stomp.

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#58 Posted by Oraculi (6967 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol Really The wank of Jean is unbelievable at this point. Mutants die

*cough*MCUfanbou*cough*

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#59 Edited by destinyman75 (15565 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi: Quicksilver deserves the wank Jean don't (cough)...

Nice try though lol

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#60 Posted by Oraculi (6967 posts) - - Show Bio

@destinyman75: Narratively speaking she was the host to the creator of the universe which also recently destroyed an entire planet by flying through it.

She does deserve it lol.

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#61 Posted by destinyman75 (15565 posts) - - Show Bio

@oraculi: The force itself of course but Jean with it, not yet

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#62 Edited by from_beyond (968 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean solos the entire Marvel universe except Thanos with IG. Stop putting a legitimate goddess Jean against fake God Thor and another superman wannabe CM.

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#63 Posted by PyroFN (6859 posts) - - Show Bio

@samhmd1: “The IG Blast was after he got all the Stones, it was a full power blast and SB wasn't even slowed down. That puts SB on Universal level of power.”

In which Thanos was hit promptly after just getting the last piece, thereby staggering him. If Thanos were to use the gauntlets full power, he could have easily put up a portal and closed it for Stormbreaker to be taken out of the fight temporarily, or teleport himself, or literally anything.

Like I said, Thanos wasn’t using the gauntlets full capabilities, so cut the crap.

2) “They don't need to make a statement, the evidence is on screen.”

And the evidence on-screen displays a Thanos not using the gauntlets full capabilities.

3) “It No-Sold a shot from a full power IG”

It no-sold Thanos caught off-guard and trying to counter.

4) “If it can negate the Reality Stone then Magneto isn't doing anything to it.”

It wasn’t negating the Reality Stone and it isn’t negating Magneto. If Thanos waved his hand and we see the axe still intact after Thanos tries to wipe it away, then I would agree. Thanos didn’t. He shot a random concussive blast, that’s it.

5) “SB only got used for proper battle usage in that one scene and there were no IG blasts for it to deflect in Endgame.”

Thereby, it was an outlier.

We don’t even need to see it destroy a universe. Maybe simply a section of a universe. Something to hint at it being that powerful, but no. It is virtually featless, scaled only by an outlier, Mjolnir’s feats, and the fight with Thanos without the gauntlet. End of story.

6) “Magneto has no chance. This is a guy who went down to a plastic bullet.”

Last time I checked, that was around the time he only displayed ferrokinesis. Try feats with him after Apocalypse. Maybe you can actually have a case.

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#64 Posted by LuminousHydra (1195 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix snaps her fingers.

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#65 Posted by samhmd1 (744 posts) - - Show Bio

@pyrofn said:

@samhmd1: “The IG Blast was after he got all the Stones, it was a full power blast and SB wasn't even slowed down. That puts SB on Universal level of power.”

In which Thanos was hit promptly after just getting the last piece, thereby staggering him. If Thanos were to use the gauntlets full power, he could have easily put up a portal and closed it for Stormbreaker to be taken out of the fight temporarily, or teleport himself, or literally anything.

Like I said, Thanos wasn’t using the gauntlets full capabilities, so cut the crap.

2) “They don't need to make a statement, the evidence is on screen.”

And the evidence on-screen displays a Thanos not using the gauntlets full capabilities.

3) “It No-Sold a shot from a full power IG”

It no-sold Thanos caught off-guard and trying to counter.

4) “If it can negate the Reality Stone then Magneto isn't doing anything to it.”

It wasn’t negating the Reality Stone and it isn’t negating Magneto. If Thanos waved his hand and we see the axe still intact after Thanos tries to wipe it away, then I would agree. Thanos didn’t. He shot a random concussive blast, that’s it.

5) “SB only got used for proper battle usage in that one scene and there were no IG blasts for it to deflect in Endgame.”

Thereby, it was an outlier.

We don’t even need to see it destroy a universe. Maybe simply a section of a universe. Something to hint at it being that powerful, but no. It is virtually featless, scaled only by an outlier, Mjolnir’s feats, and the fight with Thanos without the gauntlet. End of story.

6) “Magneto has no chance. This is a guy who went down to a plastic bullet.”

Last time I checked, that was around the time he only displayed ferrokinesis. Try feats with him after Apocalypse. Maybe you can actually have a case.

And the blast from the IG would've done that to anyone/anything else but couldn't do so to SB. It was able to deflect anything the IG threw at it. It was full power until said otherwise.

Evidence on screen shows that what the IG did to others, it couldn't do to SB.

It no sold Thanos firing a beam of all the Stones' various powers at it.

It negated a beam of energy generated by all the Stones, which means it can resist anything they can do. Which means it'll resist a putz like Magneto.

Thereby, we have only that one example to go by and what it says...is that SB is able to resist the full power of the IG.

He lost his extra powers after Apocalypse, all the augmented characters did. He clearly wasn't as powerful in DP as he was in Apocalypse.

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#66 Posted by Crunch5481 (1445 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean could just TP, Magneto can TK Stormbreaker, Jean could react to any blitz or lightning strike, Thor is wearing metal too. It doesn't have to be magnetic metal lol. Mutants win

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#67 Posted by PyroFN (6859 posts) - - Show Bio

@samhmd1: 1) “And the blast from the IG would've done that to anyone/anything else but couldn't do so to SB. It was able to deflect anything the IG threw at it. It was full power until said otherwise.”

And until you prove otherwise, that feat will remain an outlier.

2) “Evidence on screen shows that what the IG did to others, it couldn't do to SB.”

Point out the evidence that shows that the Stormbreaker couldn’t be affected by the Gauntlet....just that one instance? Outlier.

3) “It no sold Thanos firing a beam of all the Stones' various powers at it.”

The beam was just that. A beam. There is no evidence that it had any function other than to be an energy blast.

4) “It negated a beam of energy generated by all the Stones, which means it can resist anything they can do”

What kind of logic is that? That’s like saying,

“Huh, they dodged a bullet. That must mean they will dodge every other round of bullets and explosions from all the different weapons I have.”

It makes no sense and is terrible logic.

5) “Thereby, we have only that one example to go by and what it says...is that SB is able to resist the full power of the IG.”

Thereby, we have one example. No other evidence. That feat is an outlier and proves nothing.

6) “He lost his extra powers after Apocalypse, all the augmented characters did. He clearly wasn't as powerful in DP as he was in Apocalypse.”

By what evidence? Because he couldn’t beat Jean in a tug o’ war after it was established the girl who at base level already surpassed Apocalypse was enhanced further by a cosmic force that travels the universe and consumes planets and creates life across the universe?

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#68 Posted by APEX_pretador (21440 posts) - - Show Bio

Magneto solos yet another MCU team

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#69 Posted by The_Red_Devil (5083 posts) - - Show Bio

Fox stomps hard , Jean could arguably solo.

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#70 Posted by Daisy_Johnson (1377 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean solos both lmao!!!!

Magneto can solo Thor, but I don't think he can take him and Carol at the same time.

Regardless the Mutants stomp lmao.

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#71 Posted by Marveld2 (387 posts) - - Show Bio

Mutants stomps