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#1651 Edited by Experio (18215 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally.

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#1652 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

Fact: Flash can steal supermans speed by touching him... Fact: Flash can vibrate through objects due to his speed, Fact: supermans heart/brain is located in his body Fact : flash can take an open hand and close it to a fist. Combine them : Flash touches supes steals his speed Vibrates either to his brain or heart and crushes either organ/rips it out at mach speeds... Its over lads and lasses... a fight taking place in roughly .000000000000000001 seconds

Welcome to Comicvine. I have one quick quip, He actually doesn't have to be touching the object to speed steal. ^_^

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#1654 Posted by hotpocket53 (35 posts) - - Show Bio

I genuinely believe that superman could and would if he had to beat the flash

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#1655 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

I genuinely believe that superman could and would if he had to beat the flash

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#1656 Edited by w0nd (6803 posts) - - Show Bio
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#1657 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

@w0nd: No, but Barry could never speed steal pre-52 either.

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#1659 Posted by Beware_My_Power (4605 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: yep "awwww man Barry is like the most powerful Flash; He IS the freaking speedforce!!!"

*sees Barry can't even do half the stuff Wally can*

DAMN YOU WALLYYYYYYY!!!!!

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#1660 Posted by Experio (18215 posts) - - Show Bio

@beware_my_power: yh its unfortunate, especially when his my favorite speedster.

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#1661 Posted by Beware_My_Power (4605 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: probably my most hated Flash scan is when barry can barely break the time barrier, then Wally just casually breaks it and shows barry up

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#1662 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: eeeeeh, Wally was the first one with speed force, so it only makes sense, until the they made barry create the speed force, and I thought that was just dumb, and a slap in the face to Wally's fans.

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#1663 Posted by Beware_My_Power (4605 posts) - - Show Bio
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#1664 Edited by Experio (18215 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331: Well it would be a slap in the face to Barry fans if Wally is introduced to the New 52 and is instantly given feats superior to Barry, funny thing is I can see it happening.

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#1665 Posted by ElmoHump (1530 posts) - - Show Bio

@transformaa: Flash was taunting him. Flash could speed steal from Supes making him freeze like a -------.He could throw a dozen IMP's in a pico second,Vibrate his fingers through Supes brains,Phase through him,Suck the air out of his lungs,trap him into the speed force and do all that at once before half a second even finishes.

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#1666 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: lol true I'm a big fan of Wally and Barry, but I'm hoping that we see a Wally that just outran the time paradox, just cause I would find that freaking hilariously amazing XD

@beware_my_power: Yeah, it's from a wally fan's perspective

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#1667 Edited by Beware_My_Power (4605 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331: yeah I only like Barry ever so slightly than Wally... of course that's pre 52, I hate new 52 barry... a lot...

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#1668 Posted by ElmoHump (1530 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm reading back the posts from 4 years ago and laughing at the people who say Supes curbstomps.Seriously were people that dumb then or are they still that dumb right now..

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#1669 Posted by Beware_My_Power (4605 posts) - - Show Bio

@elmohump: "BRO YOU WANNA MESS WITH THE MAN OF STEAL?!?!? BRO SUPERMAN IS LIKE AS FAST AS FLASH, HE JUST GOES SLOW TO MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER. ALSO FLASH WOULD BREAK HIS HAND TRYING TO PUNCH THE MAN OF STEEL, WHO IS AS TOUGH AS METAL!!!"

-Every person who hasn't read a comic and should probably get off Comic Vine :)

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#1670 Posted by jayc1324 (26319 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally west

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#1671 Posted by ElmoHump (1530 posts) - - Show Bio
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#1672 Edited by Transformaa (1077 posts) - - Show Bio

@elmohump: when has anybody ever done that to sups.?your words are pure fantasy

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#1673 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

@transformaa: Jay Gerrick speed steal superman:

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Wally is far more skilled than Jay, and Supes has no defense against it.

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#1674 Posted by ElmoHump (1530 posts) - - Show Bio

@elmohump: when has anybody ever done that to sups.?your words are pure fantasy

Read the first page of this thread.

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#1675 Edited by reaverlation (25540 posts) - - Show Bio

@transformaa: Jay Gerrick speed steal superman:

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Wally is far more skilled than Jay, and Supes has no defense against it.

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Even better :)

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#1676 Posted by wederdire (92 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally has become the physical embodiment of the speed force, he evacuated 500,000 people from a city in 10 PICOSECONDS, he beat Barry Allen in a race.

Wally FTW.

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#1677 Posted by KorusDestroyus (191 posts) - - Show Bio

@waffle_fries: Flash can't damage Superman. Superman has a barrier to punches and kicks and weak stuff like that. You need to have a pretty overpowered punch. Once speed steal wears out, the SECOND superman catches flash, it's game. Plus, Superman can easily leave earth in 3 seconds, then destroy it. I know he wouldn't do that, but if it's an all out that both would do anything to win, superman would do that. Flash can't exit earth due to the fact he needs oxygen to survive.

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#1678 Posted by dondave (41748 posts) - - Show Bio

@korusdestroyus Speed steal only wears off if he lets it. When he stole Inertia's speed he kept him frozen for months.

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#1679 Posted by Frozen (21096 posts) - - Show Bio

@waffle_fries: Flash can't damage Superman. Superman has a barrier to punches and kicks and weak stuff like that. You need to have a pretty overpowered punch. Once speed steal wears out, the SECOND superman catches flash, it's game. Plus, Superman can easily leave earth in 3 seconds, then destroy it. I know he wouldn't do that, but if it's an all out that both would do anything to win, superman would do that. Flash can't exit earth due to the fact he needs oxygen to survive.

Flash can damage him. Wally has shattered a weakened Anti-Monitor's shell (which withstood the force of the attacks of the SA characters) at top speeds, at slower speeds he still wins. Flash has existed Earth and has been fine (bar Loeb PIS).

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#1680 Posted by Wolverine008 (51027 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, this is back again.

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#1681 Edited by Frozen (21096 posts) - - Show Bio

It's funny because Wally still stomps.

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#1682 Posted by Frozen (21096 posts) - - Show Bio

It's funny because Wally still stomps.

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#1683 Edited by Experio (18215 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally.

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#1684 Edited by Jokergiest (13 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman

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#1685 Posted by Eisenfauste (17366 posts) - - Show Bio

Hate the speed steal stuff it really is the only argument presented by wally fans in order to say that he beats stonger characters, in this scenario wally wins.

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#1686 Edited by marvelfan123 (582 posts) - - Show Bio

I am still going with superman here

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#1687 Edited by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

Hate the speed steal stuff it really is the only argument presented by wally fans in order to say that he beats stonger characters, in this scenario wally wins.

And his IMP, and his phasing, and his Amazonian levels of durability, and his BFR, etc. etc.

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#1688 Edited by reaverlation (25540 posts) - - Show Bio

@eisenfauste: Really?Like how Superman wins because of speed?Or Hulk because of his strength?Or Thor because of his hammer?Without any of those things,these characters would lose a helluva lot more against stronger opponents

@marvelfan123: Superman still loses

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#1689 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio

@korusdestroyus: So first off, Wally hits at a comparable to level to any base kryptonian, and has the durability to slug it out with them. Secondly, he can run in space, and has outrun the explosions of planets, specifically of krypton. Third, Wally has repeatedly been shown to be faster than superman, and even though it wouldn't take him 3 seconds to leave the earth, he would still be unable to do so. Fourth, he has never demonstrated that level of power pre-52.

Conversely, superman has no defenses against getting turned into a statue, blasted into the speed force, or getting his internal organs phased out or atomized. This is a 1-sided stomp for flash.

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#1690 Posted by Eisenfauste (17366 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: @dratini1331: I understand this lol, I'm just saying most wally fans don't mention anything else but speed steal "nuff said" stuff not any of his other feats I like wally its just tiring to see that that is all people think he can/would do in any given situation nothing more nothing less lol.

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#1691 Posted by Dratini1331 (7916 posts) - - Show Bio
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#1694 Posted by Beware_My_Power (4605 posts) - - Show Bio

Guys... current Supes' speed is on par with Wally's, DUH!!! Remember that feat where Clark outraced teleportation? Neither did I...

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#1695 Posted by lol (5441 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

It's funny because Wally still stomps.

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#1696 Posted by KorusDestroyus (191 posts) - - Show Bio

This is where Superman beats Flash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPWlKL4WrlU

This is proof Superman has always been just a bit slower than Flash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39LgwPgICas

That means Flash can NOT defeat Superman just because he is 'faster', because he is only a BIT faster, 2. Superman defeaten Flash in one of the links, 3. Wally is not even a planet buster, let alone a moon buster. Superman can ALSO do the Infinite Mass Punch, and Speed Steal won't affect superman's FLIGHT, because flying is just him using hes powers to move somewhere else, not hes running power, but Superman's strength and durability allow him to EASILY defeat Flash. If Flash gets hit by one big hit, he's done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9jZ_qcxivc

This link HERE is proof that Flash has to STOP to hit, he isn't the Run-And-Hit type. Not only that, but Lex Luthor had Flash KILLED, if it wasn't for the Justice League saving hes life. Lex Luthor-1 Flash-0, and considering the fact that at the end of something, Lex Luthor never really beat superman, Superman also wins by a mile.

http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/GalleryChar_1900x900_JusticeLeague_52ab8e54d0a6f0.42170553.jpg

As you see here, in the Justice League, Superman is ALWAYS in the front, while Flash is ALWAYS in the second last row. This proves that Flash cannot beat Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman(with lots of prep of course), and anyone who is also put in front of him. Also, in movies like Justice League War, when the entire Justice League is together, they clearly know and say that Superman is No.1

In Conclusion, Superman is way to OP, and written to beat any being in existence. He's Prime One Million form is second only to The Presence in all of DC, and the only comparable beings in Marvel, is The Beyonder, The Living Tribunal, and The Celestials. (TOAA doesn't count since he is omnipotent) and if it's always a 1v1, Prime One Million would 99% beat any Celestial, including Celestial OAA and Dreaming Celestial. He would probably also defeat The Living Tribunal, given the fact that The Living Tribunal is a combination of Death, Galactus, and Eternity, and that Prime One Million is MUCH more powerful than them. This also proves that the most OP version of Superman can defeat beings near omnipotence, makes him uncomparable to Flash, given the fact he's strength wouldn't even be considered FAIR TO FIGHT WITH. Also, until you give me Flash's top speed, I will consider Superman faster because of hes ultimate speed calculations, which I will tell you RIGHT NOW:

During All-Star Superman, Man Of Steel flew all the way from where ever he was, to Alpha Centauri and back within seconds. Alpha Centauri was nearly 4.4 light years away. Since he went there and back, he crossed that distance twice, meaning he traveled nearly 8 light years in exactly 20 seconds. This means he more than 513 trillion miles right there. Divide that by the time he took(20) and you get almost 27 trillion miles PER SECOND. That's more than 92 quadrillion miles per hour. That is more than 137 MILLION times the speed of light, and that is MUCH faster than I EVER seen Flash. Also, at this speed, that means he can ALSO vibrate, not only that, but he can vibrate hes molecules so fast, he can move through anything. That is more than I ever seen the Flash go, therefore unless you give me a mathematical equation on Flash going faster, I will consider Superman winning, given the fact of the proof I already gave, now Superman FASTER than Flash, it is unthinkable. The Superman homepage also state he can move hes limbs as fast as he can move, which means not only can he do what Flash was doing to Lex Luthor in that link, but he can fight 137 million times the speed of light, and not just hitting someone with your fists at that speed. I`m sorry guys, but IMP and Speed Steal won`t be effective at ALL, considering the fact Superman is FASTER than Flash, or at least so far, and has hes own IMP attack, and ALSO the fact that Speed Steal does NOT work, he could just fly into space(Flash can NOT fly, or even run through space or stuff like that, given the fact that in Justice League War he fell of something, and did NOT just continue running, which means Gravity outmatches hes speed) and then destroy the entire planet, given the fact he one time just flew so fast and powerful, he ripped a planet in two:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=sn2dg0&s=3#.Uy4YsPldVyU

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#1697 Edited by Beware_My_Power (4605 posts) - - Show Bio

this thread should not have been revived...

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#1698 Posted by Beware_My_Power (4605 posts) - - Show Bio

@korusdestroyus: LOL nice use of the DC ANIMATED universe... Comic Wally stomps normal supes any day...

and you bringing up a nigh-omnipotent version of Supes against a speedster is just PROOF of your spite against Wally...

what a sore loser

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#1699 Posted by KorusDestroyus (191 posts) - - Show Bio

@dratini1331:

I`m sorry but... Flash can`t run in space due to the fact that he needs oxygen, and given the fact every time he ran off something, he just falls. In Justice League War, he ran off a building or so, and he was about to fall to hes death, but OF COURSE the creators can`t let him die, so Green Lantern ended up saving him -.- anyways, Flash does not have the force of a punch like a Kryptonian, especially one like Superman. Look at my last post, the comment JUST before this one. I gave a link where Flash was striking against Lex Luthor`s armor. He hit it like a thousand times, yet he was never able to just punch through it... Also did you really say he is as durable as a Kryptonian *facepalm* in one of the Justice League Adventures, in that ice place where they were fighting Lex Luthor and hes army or such, the Gorilla guy was able to catch Flash, and with one punch, Flash completely was not able to fight back anymore. Given the fact supermans punches are MUCH more powerful than any Gorilla, or even the one in that movie, Superman could use hes own IMP attack and end it RIGHT THERE. Flash`s durability is no more than Batmans, in fact it`s less then Batmans, since in the movies where Batman was all old, after 10 years of retirement, he took way worse of a beating, including a beating from Superman. Darkseid once even threw him through a wall. In the link where I showed you superman beating Flash, did you realize how all Superman did was hit him with a desk and smash him on the wall ONCE, and Flash was 100% beat. It`s just sad :)

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@korusdestroyus: Wally running in space.Wally stomps and understand the difference between animated versions and comic versions.

And lmao at Batman being more durable