In character Captain America
Flash is in Bivolo's mind control
Random encounter
Standard gear and abilities
Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at Night
Winner by KO, Incapacitation or death
Who'd win? For what reasons?
In character Captain America
Flash is in Bivolo's mind control
Random encounter
Standard gear and abilities
Fight takes place at an unpopulated city setting at Night
Winner by KO, Incapacitation or death
Who'd win? For what reasons?
Flash....
Flash could just throw a rock at his head...
The entire fight between Flash and Arrow was basically Arrow taking advantage of lots of tech and still getting his ass handed to him.
Cap is just a dude with a shield... Which is significantly worse than a dude with a bow against a dude that has legitimate superspeed.
Flash....
Flash could just throw a rock at his head...
The entire fight between Flash and Arrow was basically Arrow taking advantage of lots of tech and still getting his ass handed to him.
Cap is just a dude with a shield... Which is significantly worse than a dude with a bow against a dude that has legitimate superspeed.
not to mention arrow had lots of prep. this is a random. i agree with u this is an easy win. he can disarm and tie up cap before he knows what happened.
Even high cap is a statue to flash he punches the shield and breaks his hand. Cap than knocks him out even though he's a statue.
Flash....
Flash could just throw a rock at his head...
The entire fight between Flash and Arrow was basically Arrow taking advantage of lots of tech and still getting his ass handed to him.
Cap is just a dude with a shield... Which is significantly worse than a dude with a bow against a dude that has legitimate superspeed.
not to mention arrow had lots of prep. this is a random. i agree with u this is an easy win. he can disarm and tie up cap before he knows what happened.
Lots of prep? He had only minutes to reach Iris and Eddie and save them when Flash was on a rampage, he set up one crossbow in advanced and that's it. And then he won the fight.
Well under Bivolo's power, Barry toyed with Ollie and got nailed in the jaw at one point. The difference here is Cap will knock Barry's block off.
However, If Barry fights to win, then he does.
While Steve is significantly better stats wise over Oliver, Barry is still much faster than Steve is. Barry's problems are he doesn't hit very hard, and he doesn't use his speed intelligently in a fight. He had the capability of curbstomping Oliver, but didn't because he decided to be a show off, giving Oliver a chance to get his hits in and ultimately win the fight. He can't do that against Steve. A couple solid hits from Steve will KO him.
If he was affected by Bivolo then Flash will act like an idiot. Cap wins.
It's ironic because Flash under Bivolo's influence was by far the most effective he's ever been in a fight.
Flash....
Flash could just throw a rock at his head...
The entire fight between Flash and Arrow was basically Arrow taking advantage of lots of tech and still getting his ass handed to him.
Cap is just a dude with a shield... Which is significantly worse than a dude with a bow against a dude that has legitimate superspeed.
not to mention arrow had lots of prep. this is a random. i agree with u this is an easy win. he can disarm and tie up cap before he knows what happened.
Lots of prep? He had only minutes to reach Iris and Eddie and save them when Flash was on a rampage, he set up one crossbow in advanced and that's it. And then he won the fight.
he fought the flash before and knew his weaknesses. he brought what he needed to bring. cap won't know who the flash is or any of his weaknesses. he can just grap caps shield and hit him with it before steve even registers what happened.
Flash....
Flash could just throw a rock at his head...
The entire fight between Flash and Arrow was basically Arrow taking advantage of lots of tech and still getting his ass handed to him.
Cap is just a dude with a shield... Which is significantly worse than a dude with a bow against a dude that has legitimate superspeed.
While I do not agree with your "Cap is just a dude with a shield", I definitely agree that Flash would win. I love Cap and he is a great character, but Flash could easily move so fast that Cap wouldn't even see or be able to react to him. In this case, speed is an incredibly high advantage.
If he was affected by Bivolo then Flash will act like an idiot. Cap wins.
It's ironic because Flash under Bivolo's influence was by far the most effective he's ever been in a fight.
He was just showing off. He wasn´t trying to beat him. During every episode of the Flash, they make you know that Barry depends on his emotional sense. In episode 6, It is been said that if Barry gets frustated his punches would be weak. He forgot the lesson he learned from Eddie, to punch harder and he forgot that in the last episode he received an upgrade on his speed. Also the guy doesn´t even have enough battles to say that he was worse than ever.
Flash....
Flash could just throw a rock at his head...
The entire fight between Flash and Arrow was basically Arrow taking advantage of lots of tech and still getting his ass handed to him.
Cap is just a dude with a shield... Which is significantly worse than a dude with a bow against a dude that has legitimate superspeed.
not to mention arrow had lots of prep. this is a random. i agree with u this is an easy win. he can disarm and tie up cap before he knows what happened.
Lots of prep? He had only minutes to reach Iris and Eddie and save them when Flash was on a rampage, he set up one crossbow in advanced and that's it. And then he won the fight.
he fought the flash before and knew his weaknesses. he brought what he needed to bring. cap won't know who the flash is or any of his weaknesses. he can just grap caps shield and hit him with it before steve even registers what happened.
Oliver knew Barry just as well as Barry knew Oliver, it's Barry's fault for not being smart enough to capitalize on that knowledge. Arrow won the fight fair and square, Cap is a different story.
@leonkarlen123: but that did nothing to Arrow.
Using imagination of abilities, sure flash should win. Using what REALLY happened, Cap wins. Under Bivolos mind warp, flash had NO awareness and Cap utilizing shield ricochet should connect, deal knockback, and cap one shots him. Arrow endured i don't know, 30+ punches before taking a knee. That would do absolutely nothing to Cap.
@leonkarlen123: but that did nothing to Arrow.
Why? He can punch faster then humans
Flash....
Flash could just throw a rock at his head...
The entire fight between Flash and Arrow was basically Arrow taking advantage of lots of tech and still getting his ass handed to him.
Cap is just a dude with a shield... Which is significantly worse than a dude with a bow against a dude that has legitimate superspeed.
While I do not agree with your "Cap is just a dude with a shield", I definitely agree that Flash would win. I love Cap and he is a great character, but Flash could easily move so fast that Cap wouldn't even see or be able to react to him. In this case, speed is an incredibly high advantage.
It was tongue in cheek. If Arrow is a guy with a bow, Cap is a guy with a shield.
Flash....
Flash could just throw a rock at his head...
The entire fight between Flash and Arrow was basically Arrow taking advantage of lots of tech and still getting his ass handed to him.
Cap is just a dude with a shield... Which is significantly worse than a dude with a bow against a dude that has legitimate superspeed.
not to mention arrow had lots of prep. this is a random. i agree with u this is an easy win. he can disarm and tie up cap before he knows what happened.
Lots of prep? He had only minutes to reach Iris and Eddie and save them when Flash was on a rampage, he set up one crossbow in advanced and that's it. And then he won the fight.
You mean lost the fight handily....
If the Flash had picked up a knife or used one of Arrow's arrows while tenderizing Arrow... It would have been a horrendously disgusting stomp.
Flash....
Flash could just throw a rock at his head...
The entire fight between Flash and Arrow was basically Arrow taking advantage of lots of tech and still getting his ass handed to him.
Cap is just a dude with a shield... Which is significantly worse than a dude with a bow against a dude that has legitimate superspeed.
not to mention arrow had lots of prep. this is a random. i agree with u this is an easy win. he can disarm and tie up cap before he knows what happened.
Lots of prep? He had only minutes to reach Iris and Eddie and save them when Flash was on a rampage, he set up one crossbow in advanced and that's it. And then he won the fight.
You mean lost the fight handily....
If the Flash had picked up a knife or used one of Arrow's arrows while tenderizing Arrow... It would have been a horrendously disgusting stomp.
Lost? The fight ended with Oliver choking Barry out. What the hell is your definition of win?
Captain america stomps tbh, he's fast enough and skilled enough to tag him his durability will let him take blows like their nothing, dont get why people are saying super sonic punch when it took him 7 miles to gain the speed for the punch and alot of the time he dosent use his speed effectiveley in fights, cap lands one proper blow and flash is down
@nickzambuto: The fight ended with Arrow holding Barry in a choke.... and Barry getting calmed down by the colortech.
Barry could just as easily have elbowed Arrow a couple hundred per second for a few seconds to make let go... Or just vibrated fast enough to set Arrow on fire. Barry's suit is fireproof, Ollie's isn't...
@boringperson: or more likely it wouldve ended in ollie choking him out seeing as flash would not be able to outstrength ollie and he would've done a rear neck choke thats the postion he was set up for and in that postion flash wouldnt be able to strike him and flash and an arrow to the knee so his adventuring days were over
If the Flash wasn't such an under performer in fights it would be a lot easier to say he wins. The problem is, even when speed blitzing he can barely bring Ollie to his knees, while Cap was tanking hits from Red Skull that left fist impressions on his original shield.
Short of the mach punch I'm not sure the Flash can actually hurt Captain America, while the Flash regularly gets tagged by slugs in his own show. Once Steve grabs him, like everyone else in the show seems capable of, he break him.
So you dont question at all how Flash couldn't take Oliver down with dozens of punches as one of his punches was able to knocked Thawne back without even trying through a heavy bag? He didn't even move him an inch.
@wardemon32: peak human durability >>> cop durability
While Steve is significantly better stats wise over Oliver, Barry is still much faster than Steve is. Barry's problems are he doesn't hit very hard, and he doesn't use his speed intelligently in a fight. He had the capability of curbstomping Oliver, but didn't because he decided to be a show off, giving Oliver a chance to get his hits in and ultimately win the fight. He can't do that against Steve. A couple solid hits from Steve will KO him.
Barry hits really hard
I don't disagree about him being able to win if he didn't show off so much, but Ollie has pretty crazy durability, he took Barry dragging him like nothing
@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2 said:
@wardemon32: peak human durability >>> cop durability
Still doesn't make any sense. Even Diggle took hits from Slade. Durability means almost nothing here when we are talking about people having the force to push you back. His durability levels couldn't be that much higher where he takes so much hits from Flash and not be moved. If Flash was able to push Thawne so far back when he was holdign back and was supressed by the heavy bag, then he could have punched him atleast 10 feet.
Forgot to add that he punched through a heavy bag.
@nickzambuto: The fight ended with Arrow holding Barry in a choke.... and Barry getting calmed down by the colortech.
Barry could just as easily have elbowed Arrow a couple hundred per second for a few seconds to make let go... Or just vibrated fast enough to set Arrow on fire. Barry's suit is fireproof, Ollie's isn't...
That's just speculation. I can easily counter by saying a martial artist of Oliver's caliber would most definitely be able to put Barry in a more secure hold, should Barry attempt something like that.
@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2 said:
@wardemon32: peak human durability >>> cop durability
Still doesn't make any sense. Even Diggle took hits from Slade. Durability means almost nothing here when we are talking about people having the force to push you back. His durability levels couldn't be that much higher where he takes so much hits from Flash and not be moved. If Flash was able to push Thawne so far back when he was holdign back and was supressed by the heavy bag, then he could have punched him atleast 10 feet.
Forgot to add he punched through a heavy bag.
Things like this happen in comic books all the time so I don't see the issue. Oliver was simply too tough to get put down by Flash's speed punches.
@mrnoital: It didn't show very much in his fight against Oliver. Anyway, Steve still has much better durability than Oliver does, and Barry isn't the most intelligent combatant. One slip up and Steve puts him on his ass. And once Steve realizes Barry is a genuine threat, he'll have no problem doing what it takes to put Barry down.
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