Final Form Ultron vs. Justice League

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#1 Edited by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio
Final Form Ultron
Final Form Ultron

Justice League
Justice League

The Rules

  • Win by any means possible.
  • Post-Crisis and Earth-616 versions.
  • Takes place in a deserted Metropolis.
  • Heroes are in-character but determined to save the day.
  • Ultron is morals off and wants to exterminate all life.
  • No going back in time.
  • Random encounter.

JLA Roster

  • Superman
  • Wonder Woman
  • Hal Jordan
  • Kyle Rayner
  • John Stewart
  • Guy Gardner
  • Supergirl
  • Power Girl
  • Martian Manhunter
  • Red Tornado
  • Cyborg
  • Booster Gold
  • Aquaman w/ Water Hand
  • Firestorm
  • Vixen
  • Black Canary
  • Captain Atom
  • Orion
  • Blue Beetle
  • Zatanna
  • Plastic Man
  • Mister Miracle
  • Big Barda
  • Barry Allen
  • Captain Marvel
  • Hawkman w/ Claw of Horus
  • Hawkgirl
  • The Atom
  • Steel
  • Animal Man
  • Geo-Force
  • Black Lightning
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#2 Posted by green_skaar (12874 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron

He one shots everyone but Captain Atom.

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#3 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

Callouts

Ultron:

@proto3296@comicdude360@thor_parker82@notatreeabush@jacthripper@supremegeneration@toratorn

Animal Man:

@patrat18@matchesmalone21@thenaughtytitan@beatboks1

Aquaman:

@dondave@veshark@comicstooge@patrat18@darkseid1006@fallschirmjager@demonknights@godzilla44@comicdude360@matchesmalone21@oceanmaster21@artyom@chimeroid@ouroborik@toratorn@beatboks1

Atlanteans:

@oceanmaster21

The Atom:

@oceanmaster21@ouroborik

Big Barda:

@oceanmaster21

Birds of Prey:

@sync1@pokeysteve

Black Canary:

@pokeysteve@granitesoldier@sync1@higorm@indomitableregal

Black Lightning:

@strafe_prower

Blue Beetle:

@theorder14@patrat18@thenewbluebeetle007@oceanmaster21@ouroborik

Booster Gold:

@oceanmaster21@beatboks1

Captain Atom:

@pr0metheus@themagicstik@demonknights@sync1@sirneko@ouroborik

Cyborg:

@patrat18@demonknights@matchesmalone21

Firestorm:

@serrure@sync1@demonknights@firestormfate1919@thenewbluebeetle007@toratorn

The Flash:

@dondave@rbt@sync1@jmarshmallow@pokeysteve@batman242@ancient_0f_days@unbreakable_fs4@demonknights@thedailybagel@comicace3@comicdude360@nighthunder@patrat18@pierpat@stupid_people@thitiki@godzilla44@darkseid1006@themagicstik@thor_parker82@artyom@nighthunder@sirneko@khael@lejon@jrupert1@darth_wayne@krleavenger@battle123axe

Geo-Force:

@strafe_prower

Green Lantern:

@serrure@rbt@ancient_0f_days@nighthunder@patrat18@tohoma@thitiki@demonknights@darkseid1006@themagicstik@comicace3@comicdude360@thenewbluebeetle007@thor_parker82@emperorthanos@heraldofganthet@hollow_point

Corps:

@oceanmaster21

Hal Jordan:

@cgoodness@lvenger@emperorthanos@jrupert1@kingcurry30@krleavenger

Kyle Rayner:

@cgoodness@agentsandman@cosmicallyaware1@darth_wayne

Hawkman:

@dondave@matchesmalone21

Justice League:

@oceanmaster21@ouroborik@heraldofganthet

Kryptonians:

@oceanmaster21

Martian Manhunter:

@dondave@themagicstik@norrinboltagonprime21@patrat18@thitiki@comicace3@lvenger@oceanmaster21@jrupert1@jiraiya_sageofoil@darth_wayne@krleavenger@emperorthanos

Mister Miracle:

@oceanmaster21

Orion:

@ancient_0f_days@themagicstik@oceanmaster21@ouroborik@heraldofganthet@sly_141

Plastic Man:

@oceanmaster21@mr_nofunallowed

Power Girl:

@joygirl@owie@oceanmaster21

Red Tornado:

@oceanmaster21

Shazam:

@patrat18@frozen@themagicstik@jackjack390@apocalypse3@jrupert1@jiraiya_sageofoil@darth_wayne@krleavenger

Steel:

@heraldofganthet@matchesmalone21@oceanmaster21

Supergirl:

@serrure@pokeysteve

Superman:

@allstarsuperman@lvenger@dondave@rbt@buttersdaman000@comicstooge@risingbean@frozen@comicace3@pokeysteve@ancient_0f_days@god_spawn@matchesmalone21@theamazingimmortalman@lowlaville@patrat18@zeroplus@thitiki@demonknights@ssj_god@darkseid1006@thor_parker82@sirneko@jgames@ironshinobi88@ghostravage@unbreakable_fs4@the_real_seaman@hollow_point@citizensentry@dygoboy@jucaslucasa@darth_wayne@sly_141@kingcurry30@krleavenger

Vixen

@oceanmaster21

Wonder Woman:

@ancient_0f_days@dondave@betatesthighlander1@themagicstik@comicace3@lowlaville@pokeysteve@batman242@thitiki@sophia89@demonknights@oceanmaster21@zhurong@theblondegod@lvenger@dboyrules2011@oceanmaster21@ouroborik@lejon@oceanmaster21

Zatanna:

@pokeysteve@comicdude360@jrupert1

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#4 Posted by Rubear (4667 posts) - - Show Bio

Win by any means possible?
Then Flash runs back in time to stop Hank Pym from creating Ultron.

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#5 Posted by reaverlation (25960 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: Why out of everyone wouldn't he one shot Captain Atom? Just curious...

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#6 Posted by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

@rubear said:

Win by any means possible?

Then Flash runs back in time to stop Hank Pym from creating Ultron.

This or Ultron.

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#7 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

@rubear said:

Win by any means possible?

Then Flash runs back in time to stop Hank Pym from creating Ultron.

From what I understand, Kang the Conqueror attempted to stop Ultron a multitude of times by going back in time, but failed each and every time.

Though just because it says win by any means possible doesn't mean it's "All characters are going to do whatever they can to win, including things that they've done very rarely, or things that are not in-character or consistent for them to do so."

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#8 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Edited by sophia89 (19802 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysticmedivh: In Age of Ultron, Wolverine went back in time and Killed Hank and stopped Ultron. Kang is very careful when he messes with time.

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#10 Posted by ILostTheKey (993 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatana unmakes him.

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#11 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

@sophia89 said:

@mysticmedivh: In Age of Ultron, Wolverine went back in time and Killed Hank and stopped Ultron. Kang is very careful when he messes with time.

Alright.

No timetravel nonsense.

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#12 Posted by Rubear (4667 posts) - - Show Bio

@rubear said:

Win by any means possible?

Then Flash runs back in time to stop Hank Pym from creating Ultron.

From what I understand, Kang the Conqueror attempted to stop Ultron a multitude of times by going back in time, but failed each and every time.

Though just because it says win by any means possible doesn't mean it's "All characters are going to do whatever they can to win, including things that they've done very rarely, or things that are not in-character or consistent for them to do so."

Well, from what i understand energy unleashed by war between Final Form Ultron and assembled by Kang forces broke time, because, you see, when Ultron surrendered in that time it solved problem. It's safe to presume that Kang took all heroes when they were at pick of their strengh, so when/if they died in fight against Final Form Ultron it broke time Age of Ultron stile.

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#13 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

Barry Allen Battlefield removes him. mismatch

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#14 Edited by Thor_Parker82 (16628 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron

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#15 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

@helloman said:

Barry Allen Battlefield removes him. mismatch

I believe Ultron can both teleport and time travel.

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#16 Posted by ILostTheKey (993 posts) - - Show Bio

@helloman said:

Barry Allen Battlefield removes him. mismatch

I believe Ultron can both teleport and time travel.

He has no mechanism against Magic though. There's nothing he can do to Zatana saying "nrut ot tsud", or even Firestorm transmuting him to Hydrogen.

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#17 Posted by Helloman (30115 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysticmedivh: Then he travels to the end of the universe with ultron and leaves him there within seconds of it ending to be obliterated.

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#18 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio

@helloman said:

@mysticmedivh: Then he travels to the end of the universe with ultron and leaves him there within seconds of it ending to be obliterated.

Which he has never done to an opponent before.

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#20 Posted by Nima_ (2104 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna is the only problem here.

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#21 Posted by BruceRogers (17775 posts) - - Show Bio

Does Zatanna even have the power to manipulate raw Adamantium?

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#22 Posted by AdamAmeen (988 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron

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#23 Posted by Ganstaz003 (1217 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron likely wins if not totally stomps for the following reasons:

1) Totally indestructible to physical damage due to primary Adamantium

2) More intelligent than the entire team and likely compared to all of them put together. Meaning, he could outsmart and outhink all of them even without prep.

3) He has enough weapons and powers to incapacitate pretty much anybody from the JLA. Such as the Encephalo Ray for example.

4) Defensively, he likely has countermeasures for anything the team can attack him with. We're talking about a living supercomputer here that has calculated astronomical number of possibilities and can prepare in advance to them. Most of the attacking options that JLA would throw wouldn't work anyway.

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#24 Posted by ILostTheKey (993 posts) - - Show Bio

@nima_ said:

Zatanna is the only problem here.

And Firestorm

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#25 Edited by KrleAvenger (26341 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron one shots.

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#26 Posted by JwwProd (20954 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron.

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#29 Posted by Pipxeroth (9731 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron stomps

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#30 Edited by AcroKat (7384 posts) - - Show Bio

Firestorm, Zatanna, four Green Lanterns... Ultron gets stomped.

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#31 Posted by SupremeGeneration (12754 posts) - - Show Bio

Problem with roster. Batman not there. Ultron stomps unless Batman is added.

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#32 Posted by deactivated-5c6c6de088804 (3539 posts) - - Show Bio
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#33 Posted by Revan- (7959 posts) - - Show Bio

Problem with roster. Batman not there. Ultron stomps unless Batman is added.

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#34 Edited by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Posted by incursion2 (2431 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron wins fairly easily

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#36 Posted by Noone1996 (12729 posts) - - Show Bio
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#37 Posted by willy_pingtom (545 posts) - - Show Bio

He has no mechanism against Magic though. There's nothing he can do to Zatana saying "nrut ot tsud", or even Firestorm transmuting him to Hydrogen.

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#38 Posted by Nefarious (35685 posts) - - Show Bio

Zatanna's magic could do something to him here.

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#39 Posted by Royal_Warrior (5059 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry but why can Zatannas Magic do something where better magic users than her have failed

Not to mention only time I can recall anyone transmuting primary admantium was thanos with the IG

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#40 Posted by Royal_Warrior (5059 posts) - - Show Bio

Only way I can see team winning is if Captain Atom absorbs him when he goes into pure energy form, thought not too sure that it wouldn't just KO him stead when he tries

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#41 Posted by ILostTheKey (993 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm sorry but why can Zatannas Magic do something where better magic users than her have failed

Not to mention only time I can recall anyone transmuting primary admantium was thanos with the IG

Because no writer has used a high tier magic user to attempt to wipe him from existence. It's not like he's ever showed any resistance to it before, so you cannot discount Zantana's effect.

As for transmuting Adamantium, why not? At the end of the day It's just metal. It's incredibly strong, but it's not like it's enchanted like Uru there are no instances of adamantium resisting molecular manipulation. It has atoms, so it should be affected by Firestorm.

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#42 Edited by Royal_Warrior (5059 posts) - - Show Bio

@ilostthekey: what your saying simply isn't true

Ultron has defeated teams with SW,Loki,Doom just to name a few... None of their magic affected him

Yes it does, the only beings who have successfully minipulated the Molecules of Admantium are Thanos with the IG, beyonder and MM even the latter struggled with it even though he's a multiversal reality/molecule warped

Not even the greatest minds in marvel could figure out how ultron was able to do it

Saying firestorm could minipulate it just because it's metal is an NLF when beings with manipulation powers leagues beyond him have had trouble

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#43 Edited by Owie (7247 posts) - - Show Bio

What feats did "Final Form" Ultron have other than essentially the panels posted above, which is all I remember? They're kind of vague in the way that he was able to stop Kang et al.

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#44 Posted by Hypnos0929 (6932 posts) - - Show Bio

You should add Amazo, he's the only one capable of handling himself due to his constant adaptations

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#45 Posted by Adam_Taurus (766 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah... I'd go with JLA here.

Primary adamantium is NOT indestructible. It has limits. Given enough beatings (which is totally possible with the team Ultron is facing), primamry adamantium can and will break.

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#46 Posted by MysticMedivh (32250 posts) - - Show Bio
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#47 Edited by comic_fan123 (1056 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends on Zatanna, Captain Atom, and firestorm, other than that then Ultron

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#48 Posted by Owie (7247 posts) - - Show Bio

@owie said:

What feats did "Final Form" Ultron have other than essentially the panels posted above, which is all I remember? They're kind of vague in the way that he was able to stop Kang et al.

You should be able to find some here. It's organized by versions, weakest to strongest, I believe.

https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2xvj89/respect_ultron/

Thanks.

It partly depends, as the Reddit user notes, whether this is the same as "Age of Ultron" Ultron, which I don't think has ever been definitively said. In other words, does he really exists fully as a hive mind, with millions of drones? I don't see any transmutation-style attacks working then. Transmute one, sure; but all? And given that even if this is one solitary Ultron, he can always easily shift his mind out into other technology. There's kind of just no final killing of his tech-mind, now. In fact, as seen in Phalanx Ultron, he doesn't even need a new body for his mind to exist, it can just float free on its own. I suppose the only tactic is this--and given that it's a random encounter and they know nothing about him, I think they're unlikely to employ it right off the bat: Zatanna needs to lock his mind inside his body with a spell first, and then they need to either destroy (unlikely) or transmute it into something else.

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#49 Posted by Gamingod (1063 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultron gets stomped. He has never faced any team as powerful as this team.

The sheer speed /power/energy/ etc he would be facing would be overwhelming.

He cant tag speedstars, martian manhunter would phase through all his attacks. Several molecular attacks/manipulation.

Ultron gets destroyed

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Avangers cant anything compared to the Bat.