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Poll Featherine Augustus Aurora vs This Team (116 votes)

Featherine 38%
Team 60%
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Azathoth

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Elder God Demonsbane

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Living Tribunal

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Beyonder

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Molecule Man

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Michael Demiurgos

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Spectre

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Trigon

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God Swamp Thing

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Divine Spawn

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God & Satan (Spawn)

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And these guys, who need no introduction:

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Azathoth solos. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. Everything that takes place is his dreams.

FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1.

Characters like LT, God Spawn, and Michael Demiurgos might put up a fight in numbers.

Anyone else (granted some I don't know like God and Satan from Spawn) is useless. Especially the DBZ characters

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Azathoth is omnipotent he solos.

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#3  Edited By Amendment50

If she is omnipotent she stalemates if not she gets blinked

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The only two characters on the team who can beat Featherine are EGD and Azathoth. Everyone else gets wrecked though. Numbers don't really mean much when you get to the hyperverse+ level.

Still with EGD and Azathoth on there the team should win this comfortably.

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@ragnar_lodhbrok: i doubt EGD would be stronger than michael, classic beyonder or LT, but anyway this is spite thread right?

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Team wins.

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Remove azathoth and this should get interesting

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#9  Edited By SwagPack

@rickyrck: It would be a stalemate between EGD and Featherine.

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Featherine lolstomps the team by blinking...

except...

Stalemate between ElderGod Demonbane and Featherine.

(Most likely ElderGod Demonbane because of Shining Trapezohedron)

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Featherine gets beaten into pulp hell few solos.

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@rickyrck: not a joke bro you know who elder god demonbane is, you know who Azathoth is.

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Azathoth solos. Mismatch.

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Tie with demonbane. Gets defeated by azathoth.

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#16  Edited By MorningDawn12

The only one whos going to solo this is Azathoth.win or stalemate with Demonbane. Featherine crush the rest

The only one who can kill her is Azathoth, Featherine already touched the realm of the Creator and already lost all restrictions the best that they can do is destroy her memory Aide and make her lose her sense of self

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Feathrine is not omnipotent, this battle will go to the team very easily.

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@morningdawn12: not really michael can win,the endless fears him,the endless are embodiment of infinite dimensional concepts and he is also capable of moving in the void and comprehended the void which is above the infinite dimensional DC verse and that should put him easily above infinity which featehrine is also above

The only thing that she has going for her is her low level plot manipulation and no she does not have true author capabilities, if she did she would have already rewrote ths story so she would be omnipotent and still be herself (the only beings with true author capabilities are author representations like toaa and the writer)

Now let me explain how he wins

He is nigh omniscient so the instant they meet he will know everything about her and know her major weakness and just erase her memory device at the same instant which will make fetaherine turn into a defenseless vegetable which gives michael an easy win

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#20  Edited By ovy7

Remove Azatoth, as omnipotent characters aren't allowed. Now with him/it gone, everyone dies from the clash between Auau and EGD, then EGD can probably seal her if he has the Shining Trapezohedron. The DB characters die before the fight starts because of everyone else's presence.

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@reach231: The only thing that she has going for her is her low level plot manipulation and no she does not have true author capabilities, if she did she would have already rewrote ths story so she would be omnipotent and still be herself (the only beings with true author capabilities are author representations like toaa and the writer)

There's also,

"Infinite towards the Creator" staircase.

City of the Books

Sea of ​​Kakera

Aurora Study

Theater of Witch

Golden Land

Cathedral Meta World

Meta World

That featherine is far above

You haven't mentioned anything that would put Michael above her

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She would get absolutely annihilated. There are way to many powerful people here.

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#23  Edited By Sungsam

Isn't God Spawn an Omnipotent Proxy? He should be banned from all debates.

Featherine will waste away Pedobane and Azathoth. Featherine is not part of Azathoth's dream and her existence is independent of any higher level existence regulation. She can kill Azathoth from outside.

Beyonder's power is dependent on interpretation. And can go anywhere between Multiversal to Hyperversal. Beyonder could be Omnipotent, he could not be. He's described as an Omnipotent God before the Genesis, and Marvel's writers are Jews so they would know what omnipotence is right? But Beyonder can make mistakes. Either you rationalize these flaws and ignore Beyonder's flaws and just say he was intentionally acting like an idiot and still insist he's Omnipotent or say he's not Omnipotent and only Nigh.

Michael and Lucifer's power (and probably also the Spectre if backed) are driven by the Presence, whose Omnipotence ranges from either True Omnipotence to Questionably Omnipotent to literally being an Omnipotent with multiple Nigh Omnipotent aspects. So if Presence is Omnipotent, then Featherine loses, if not, Featherine wins. So also interpretation based. Posting a bunch of photoshop images don't really make arguments.

LT is a jobber.

Trigon is wanked so much by Teen Titans nerds to even be able to beat Lucifer as a few of my debates with them go. It's bullshit. he does not belong here.

Molecule Man, no matter what version has no answer against Featherine.

DBZ doesn't belong here.

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@sungsam: When Spawn merged with Man of Miracles, he gaindd the Man of Miracles powers, becoming omnipotent.

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@sungsam: So yes, he pretty much is omnipotent.

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@sungsam said:

Isn't God Spawn an Omnipotent Proxy? He should be banned from all debates.

Featherine will waste away Pedobane and Azathoth. Featherine is not part of Azathoth's dream and her existence is independent of any higher level existence regulation. She can kill Azathoth from outside.

Beyonder's power is dependent on interpretation. And can go anywhere between Multiversal to Hyperversal. Beyonder could be Omnipotent, he could not be. He's described as an Omnipotent God before the Genesis, and Marvel's writers are Jews so they would know what omnipotence is right? But Beyonder can make mistakes. Either you rationalize it and ignore Beyonder's flaws and still insist he's Omnipotent or say he's not Omnipotent and only Nigh.

Michael and Lucifer's power are driven by the Presence, whose Omnipotence ranges from either True Omnipotence to Questionably Omnipotent. So if Presence is Omnipotent, then Featherine loses, if not, Featherine wins. So also interpretation based. Posting a bunch of photoshop images don't really make arguments.

LT is a jobber.

Trigon is wanked so much by Teen Titans fans to even be able to beat Lucifer. It's bullshit. he does not belong here.

Molecule Man, no matter what version has no answer against Featherine.

DBZ doesn't belong here.

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#27  Edited By Sungsam

@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@sungsam said:

Isn't God Spawn an Omnipotent Proxy? He should be banned from all debates.

Featherine will waste away Pedobane and Azathoth. Featherine is not part of Azathoth's dream and her existence is independent of any higher level existence regulation. She can kill Azathoth from outside.

Beyonder's power is dependent on interpretation. And can go anywhere between Multiversal to Hyperversal. Beyonder could be Omnipotent, he could not be. He's described as an Omnipotent God before the Genesis, and Marvel's writers are Jews so they would know what omnipotence is right? But Beyonder can make mistakes. Either you rationalize it and ignore Beyonder's flaws and still insist he's Omnipotent or say he's not Omnipotent and only Nigh.

Michael and Lucifer's power are driven by the Presence, whose Omnipotence ranges from either True Omnipotence to Questionably Omnipotent. So if Presence is Omnipotent, then Featherine loses, if not, Featherine wins. So also interpretation based. Posting a bunch of photoshop images don't really make arguments.

LT is a jobber.

Trigon is wanked so much by Teen Titans fans to even be able to beat Lucifer. It's bullshit. he does not belong here.

Molecule Man, no matter what version has no answer against Featherine.

DBZ doesn't belong here.

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Yes, God Spawn is already Omniversal+ Omnipotent Proxy. He's literally up there with HOTU Thanos and Hao from Shaman King who are both Omnipotent "Proxies".

Omnipotent Proxy is my term for any character who is being power boosted and protected by an Omnipotent being.

All that means is that God Spawn should be struck off this thread. Lol

Don't use him in any debate, he'll literally solo Beyonder, LT and the Ivory Kings, etc. etc. Debates with no argument is boring and useless.

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@bdelloidgrain2: No, Spawn is not even close to being that strong.

Heaven in hell and Satan/God are like, universal in that comic lmao. Spawn did nothing but beat those two with that power and Man of miracles has shown limitations lmao

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#29  Edited By Sungsam

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@morningdawn12: not really michael can win,the endless fears him,the endless are embodiment of infinite dimensional concepts and he is also capable of moving in the void and comprehended the void which is above the infinite dimensional DC verse and that should put him easily above infinity which featehrine is also above

Be careful with the infinite dimensiony thing about the Endless that you hear.

Because, half the debaters on all battleboards, have the worst understanding of dimensions than anyone else I've seen.

A lot of them think that infinite layered worlds and levels of existence = infinite higher spatial dimensions like what DC does.

A Multiverse structured vertically doesn't make it "bigger" than a 5D infinite multiverse structured horizontally and it doesn't make it "infinite dimensional" or better. Heck, any trans-universal structure that is vertical and infinite and contains universes, doesn't make it infinite dimensional. Lol

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And worlds inside worlds are not what infinite dimensions are. In fact, it's the opposite. That's a multiverse that gets smaller and smaller and inferiorates as you go down.

Infinite Dimensions expand and multiply itself in all corners and all aspects beyond imaginable, if stretched, every infinitesimal of a moment multiplies into megaverses and metaverses. Bigger than most fictions that depict their infinite dimensions poorly.

To the point, there should not be an "Outerverse" as all of nothingness is engulfed with existence.

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And I wonder if people are aware that a lot of verses with Multi-universe cosmologies have their individual universes as being FINITE in 3D size. Destroying the fundamental impressivity of Megaverse shit.

It's a good thing I ditched the VSBW dimension tiering and stuck with broad Cosmology tiering.

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@sungsam: honest opinion: featherine is almost as wanked as saitama

1. Spawn is low hyperversal at best and only author representations can be omnipotent, he gets erased

2. Demonbane would one shot featherine, he is omniversal(he destroyed his entire verse) and featherine has no authority over beings that are also high beyond dimensions as she couldn't rewrite away her need for a memory device and if she can't do that ro herself then i doubt she can do that ro beings equal or higher than her which shows that her ability is limited to beings below her tier

In a nutshell she gets one shoted

3. To Azathoth his entire verse including yog sothoth who is high beyond dimensions is nothing but his dreams and imagination, if high beyond dimensions is just dreams to him then in what way will featherine be a threat to him? She has no way of harming someone Above her

4. Pre retcon Beyonder is low beyond dimensions m8, oblivion is the true high beyond dimensions being of marvel, pre retcon beyonder gets erased

5. The presence is high beyond dimensions and michael and lucifer are mid beyond dimensions, they would win by erasing her memory device, no one said her memory device is also high beyond dimensions

6. LT is fodder* corrected it for you

7. True,trigon gets erased

8. Well there is a time where he held an omniverse in a box but that was probably a multiverse since marvel has always mixed between the 2 and things can be seen outside of the box other than molecule man so its most likely a multiverse

Molecule man gets erased

9. Nah beerus hakai's limits and becomes limitless and solos all umineko(joke)

10. How does any of that disprove that the endless are infinite dimensional?

11. Umm no, outerverses/beyond all existence are canon in many verses, you can't deny canon just because it doesn't fit you're tiering system (unless its PIS or doesn't understand the meaning of words, like darksied calling himself omnipotent)

12. Oh so dimensional tiering doesn't mean anything to you..... ok.

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#31  Edited By kilgpmktra

@shrektheogrepotent: honest opinion: featherine is almost as wanked as saitama

Maybe, considering you do not know what you're talking about. Nobody knows much of WTC from a pure power aspect by which she's on top of. There's so much wrong with your post is almost sad. But I'll just start with the obvious thing:

Demonbane would one shot featherine, he is omniversal

pre retcon beyonder gets erased

So you think Demonbane, would one shot both Pre Retcon Beyonder and Featherine because he's "omniversal"? Demonbane's cosmology is really not as big as Marvel or Umineko's/When They Cry.

Pre Retcon Beyonder made the entirety of Marvel look like a droplet of Water in a ocean and Featherine makes everything that belongs to the ungodly powerful realm of Witches look like nothing but a chess board. Both Pre Retcon Beyonder and Featherine are "omniversal" themselves. Actually, they have a lot more going for them then the nonsense on VSbattle that you're going based off of to scale Demonbane.

Dimensions are not treated the same throughout fictions. One fiction, a higher dimension being one shots a lower one, but in another fiction, a low dimension being can one shot a higher one. This is why people do not subscribe to VSbattle's system. It cannot be applicable to a cross over scenario. Demonbane really has not done anything to put him on the level of Pre Retcon beyonder or Featherine if you want to be as objective as possible. Only thing he has going for him, is the nonsensical dimensional tiering, which still would not put him above Featherine or Pre Retcon Beyonder considering they completely rendered such concepts irreleveant (Featherine transcended over infinity and Beyonder transcended over space and time as a whole in the Beyonder realm)

The presence is high beyond dimensions and michael and lucifer are mid beyond dimensions, they would win by erasing her memory device, no one said her memory device is also high beyond dimensions

This is, by far, the most foolish argument I've seen for Lucifer and Michael. Please stop typing. You don't know what you're talking about.

Molecule man gets erased

Just like Featherine and Pre Retcon Beyonder, Molecule Man is omniversal himself. Post secret wars, he pretty much showed superiority over marvel. Disregarding dimensional tiering, Demonbane is not on the level of Molecule Man.

outerverses/beyond all existence are canon in many verses, you can't deny canon just because it doesn't fit you're tiering system

Practically every high tier character here fits this description. What is your point?

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#32  Edited By Sungsam

@shrektheogrepotent said:

@sungsam: honest opinion: featherine is almost as wanked as saitama

1. Spawn is low hyperversal at best and only author representations can be omnipotent, he gets erased

2. Demonbane would one shot featherine, he is omniversal(he destroyed his entire verse) and featherine has no authority over beings that are also high beyond dimensions as she couldn't rewrite away her need for a memory device and if she can't do that ro herself then i doubt she can do that ro beings equal or higher than her which shows that her ability is limited to beings below her tier

In a nutshell she gets one shoted

3. To Azathoth his entire verse including yog sothoth who is high beyond dimensions is nothing but his dreams and imagination, if high beyond dimensions is just dreams to him then in what way will featherine be a threat to him? She has no way of harming someone Above her

4. Pre retcon Beyonder is low beyond dimensions m8, oblivion is the true high beyond dimensions being of marvel, pre retcon beyonder gets erased

5. The presence is high beyond dimensions and michael and lucifer are mid beyond dimensions, they would win by erasing her memory device, no one said her memory device is also high beyond dimensions

6. LT is fodder* corrected it for you

7. True,trigon gets erased

8. Well there is a time where he held an omniverse in a box but that was probably a multiverse since marvel has always mixed between the 2 and things can be seen outside of the box other than molecule man so its most likely a multiverse

Molecule man gets erased

9. Nah beerus hakai's limits and becomes limitless and solos all umineko(joke)

10. How does any of that disprove that the endless are infinite dimensional?

11. Umm no, outerverses/beyond all existence are canon in many verses, you can't deny canon just because it doesn't fit you're tiering system (unless its PIS or doesn't understand the meaning of words, like darksied calling himself omnipotent)

12. Oh so dimensional tiering doesn't mean anything to you..... ok.

1. Yeah, by feats, Spawn is low Hyperversal.

But if we take Man of Miracles as Omnipotent, ignore Cosmology tiering, then Spawn with MOM's powers should be banned from all forums.

2. Demonbane is one of the most powerful mechas out there, but a lot of wank. They are just basic Multiversal+ probably Megaversal characters there, but that's nothing even to a 5D Imp.

Hagane (Demonbane's author) even revealed he doesn't know and is aloof on what infinite higher spatial dimensions are.

3. Azathoth's Creations are just his Dream.

Unfortunately for Azathoth, Featherine is not his dream, Featherine's existence is not being regulated by Azathoth's dreams and it's anyone's guess what happens.

Azathoth is Omnipotent depending on interpretation. He could just as well just be a Toilet bacteria that dreams reality in its head.

4. Beyonder is anywhere between a hundred times, million times or a quintillion quadrillion times or infinite times greater than Marvel's Infinite Dimensional Multiverse.

The quintillion quadrillion figure is based on the fact that Beyonder is to the Omniverse like an Ocean is to a droplet.

Likely, Beyonder is actually infinite since Molecule Man whose power is infinite, describes beyonder as transcending levels unimaginable to him, and infinity can be imagined by something like Molecule Man, so Beyonder transcends infinity. That depends on statement gauging.

Pre Retcon Beyonder was stated to be most powerful thing in all the almighty, and Oblivion first appeared in 1984 Ice Man. This was the same time the first Secret Wars wherein Beyonder first appeared was published.

So by Marvel's word, Beyonder >>>>> Oblivion at the time.

5. Don't know about that.

6. Yes, LT is fodder. His only purpose is to serve as a plot device to show that the main Marvel heroes can do something the LT can't according to the Progressive writers.

7. Trigon is only Multi-Universal, so yeah.

8. Yep.

10. What do you think of it?

11. If a setting has an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse, a true one, it would engulf even what is beyond dimensions.

This is why Beyonder is interesting. He is both Infinite Dimensional and an Omnilock/Outerversal, it makes more sense. I can't even stand Beyonder as a character.

12. 5D imps from DC are literally Megaversal+ and have bigger feats than "beyond" dimensional, Outerversal, transcending Chousin. You really think dimensional tiering makes sense? I can't think that lol

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1. Nah i know umineko's cosmology well, i got this cosmology explained to me a trillion times along with scans, actual featherine isn't the ultimate solo god of fiction like some of her wankers(like you) claim her to be

2. Demonebane's cosmology is based off cthulu mythos with some differences like azathoth being ridiculously much weaker

3. Featherine has nothing going for her other than he "author authority" which can't affect beings equal or above her and no she isn't omniversal, her wanked version is omnipotent+ though

4. you do realize that those feats of pre retcon beyonder make him low beyond dimensions not omniversal, oblivion would rek beyonder

Here is how marvel's hierarchy goes

Toaa and the fulcrum > oblivion> pre retcon beyonder> everyone else

5. I don't use vsbattle wiki m8 they ridiculously downplay many charcters(alien x) and wank others (featherine) and only 2 of their tier 0 are actual omnipotents(the writer and toaa)

6. Featherine's only feat that puts her at high beyond dimensions is hee touching the realm of the creator (who isn't omnipotent btw) and other than she has no other such feat and btw the ladder was never mentioned to be infinite dimensional

Beyonder's best feat makes him low beyond dimensions

7. Foolish? Are you going to debate it or not? You can't just say "this is foolish" this means you can't argue against my point

8. M8 if he was omniversal then he would be infinitely above beyonder since the entire outerverse would also be in the box(omniverse means the entire verse no matter what), but we can see things other than molecule man outside the box which disproves it

9. There are different levels of beyond dimensions

High beyond dimensions, mid beyond dimensions and low beyond dimensions not all are the same tier

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#34  Edited By kilgpmktra

@shrektheogrepotent: Nah i know umineko's cosmology well

No, you don't. You actually made that quite apparent.

actual featherine isn't the ultimate solo god of fiction like some of her wankers(like you) claim her to be

No one said she was.

Demonebane's cosmology is based off cthulu mythos with some differences like azathoth being ridiculously much weaker

If you knew anything, you would know there are many different fictions that have many different interpretations of Lovecraft's work. Not every work that uses lovecraft elements directly takes or stays true to the source material. Same with demonbane.

Featherine has nothing going for her other than he "author authority"

This is false. Featherine is powerful due to her being the top dog of an incredibly vast cosmology, the nature of WTC and her transcendental nature. Not because of author authority. That's an ability practically every umineko character has. You would know that if you knew anything about the series.

no she isn't omniversal

Care to explain why? This is actually made quite apparent in Umineko, but I would love to view your take.

you do realize that those feats of pre retcon beyonder make him low beyond dimensions not omniversal, oblivion would rek beyonder

Pre Retcon Beyonder, the guy who made the entirety of Marvel is low beyond dimensions and not omniversal? Oblivion, the guy who was threatened by Maelstrom, would beat the guy who was described as being a milliton times more powerful than all of Marvel's main multiverse?

This is just one reason as to why you're a Joke.

I don't use vsbattle wiki m8 they ridiculously downplay many charcters(alien x) and wank others (featherine) and only 2 of their tier 0 are actual omnipotents(the writer and toaa)

You're going completely based off their tiering system and ironically choose who you feel they wank and downplay, yet you continue to prove you know nothing.

Featherine's only feat that puts her at high beyond dimensions is hee touching the realm of the creator (who isn't omnipotent btw) and other than she has no other such feat and btw the ladder was never mentioned to be infinite dimensional

This is complete nonsense. You aren't taking anything of the cosmology into consideration and again, leaving out important context to fit your prerogative. I don't go based off dimensional tiering, Umineko doesn't need dimensional tiering to be powerful, it doesn't matter though, Ange, regardless how you interpret this quote, clearly states that a low dimensioned being is less than nothing to a higher one. Lambdadelta, a voyager witch whose true essence of nothingness states how this structure goes on infinitely and Featherine being completely transcended of it.

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Beyonder's best feat makes him low beyond dimensions

Pre Retcon Beyonder, the guy that is a million times more powerful than everything in Marvel > Whatever nonsense you're spewing

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Foolish? Are you going to debate it or not? You can't just say "this is foolish" this means you can't argue against my point

I say this because it's impossible arguing with someone whose not willing to learn. You are foolish. You take pride in your ignorance. No one should have to waste their time on someone who has no idea what they're saying.

M8 if he was omniversal then he would be infinitely above beyonder since the entire outerverse would also be in the box(omniverse means the entire verse no matter what), but we can see things other than molecule man outside the box which disproves it

This is one of the quotes by you which proves why going back n forth with you is a complete waste of time. You are just arguing to argue. You aren't making any sense at this point.

There are different levels of beyond dimensions

It's explicitly stated that Featherine has reached the highest a being could possibly go without becoming apart of the boundless being which grants everything in exchange for their individuality. Even playing by your rules, that still fits the absolute top. What are you getting at exactly?

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@bdelloidgrain2: No, Spawn is not even close to being that strong.

Heaven in hell and Satan/God are like, universal in that comic lmao. Spawn did nothing but beat those two with that power and Man of miracles has shown limitations lmao

Man of Miracles is omnipotent. God and Satan in Image Comics are nigh-omnipotent. Refer to the scans I posted.

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#36  Edited By bdelloidgrain2

@shrektheogrepotent said:

@sungsam: honest opinion: featherine is almost as wanked as saitama

1. Spawn is low hyperversal at best and only author representations can be omnipotent, he gets erased

2. Demonbane would one shot featherine, he is omniversal(he destroyed his entire verse) and featherine has no authority over beings that are also high beyond dimensions as she couldn't rewrite away her need for a memory device and if she can't do that ro herself then i doubt she can do that ro beings equal or higher than her which shows that her ability is limited to beings below her tier

In a nutshell she gets one shoted

3. To Azathoth his entire verse including yog sothoth who is high beyond dimensions is nothing but his dreams and imagination, if high beyond dimensions is just dreams to him then in what way will featherine be a threat to him? She has no way of harming someone Above her

4. Pre retcon Beyonder is low beyond dimensions m8, oblivion is the true high beyond dimensions being of marvel, pre retcon beyonder gets erased

5. The presence is high beyond dimensions and michael and lucifer are mid beyond dimensions, they would win by erasing her memory device, no one said her memory device is also high beyond dimensions

6. LT is fodder* corrected it for you

7. True,trigon gets erased

8. Well there is a time where he held an omniverse in a box but that was probably a multiverse since marvel has always mixed between the 2 and things can be seen outside of the box other than molecule man so its most likely a multiverse

Molecule man gets erased

9. Nah beerus hakai's limits and becomes limitless and solos all umineko(joke)

10. How does any of that disprove that the endless are infinite dimensional?

11. Umm no, outerverses/beyond all existence are canon in many verses, you can't deny canon just because it doesn't fit you're tiering system (unless its PIS or doesn't understand the meaning of words, like darksied calling himself omnipotent)

12. Oh so dimensional tiering doesn't mean anything to you..... ok.

Omnipotent characters do not have to be authors. I don't know how you think that's the case.

Also, how did you get Spawn being hyperversal? He merged with an omnipotent character and received the Man of Miracles powers, making him, as @sungsam would say, Omnipotent Proxy.

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#37  Edited By Sungsam

@bdelloidgrain2 said:
@shrektheogrepotent said:

@sungsam: honest opinion: featherine is almost as wanked as saitama

1. Spawn is low hyperversal at best and only author representations can be omnipotent, he gets erased

2. Demonbane would one shot featherine, he is omniversal(he destroyed his entire verse) and featherine has no authority over beings that are also high beyond dimensions as she couldn't rewrite away her need for a memory device and if she can't do that ro herself then i doubt she can do that ro beings equal or higher than her which shows that her ability is limited to beings below her tier

In a nutshell she gets one shoted

3. To Azathoth his entire verse including yog sothoth who is high beyond dimensions is nothing but his dreams and imagination, if high beyond dimensions is just dreams to him then in what way will featherine be a threat to him? She has no way of harming someone Above her

4. Pre retcon Beyonder is low beyond dimensions m8, oblivion is the true high beyond dimensions being of marvel, pre retcon beyonder gets erased

5. The presence is high beyond dimensions and michael and lucifer are mid beyond dimensions, they would win by erasing her memory device, no one said her memory device is also high beyond dimensions

6. LT is fodder* corrected it for you

7. True,trigon gets erased

8. Well there is a time where he held an omniverse in a box but that was probably a multiverse since marvel has always mixed between the 2 and things can be seen outside of the box other than molecule man so its most likely a multiverse

Molecule man gets erased

9. Nah beerus hakai's limits and becomes limitless and solos all umineko(joke)

10. How does any of that disprove that the endless are infinite dimensional?

11. Umm no, outerverses/beyond all existence are canon in many verses, you can't deny canon just because it doesn't fit you're tiering system (unless its PIS or doesn't understand the meaning of words, like darksied calling himself omnipotent)

12. Oh so dimensional tiering doesn't mean anything to you..... ok.

Omnipotent characters do not have to be authors. I don't know how you think that's the case.

Also, how did you get Spawn being hyperversal? He merged with an omnipotent character and received the Man of Miracles powers, making him, as @sungsam would say, Omnipotent Proxy.

In Dark Tower by Stephen King, it has a Supreme God character known as Gan.

Gan (omnipotent of Dark Tower) is according to King's stories is above all fiction authors in our real world and that all Omnipotent Gods in all fiction like TOAA, Presence, MOM, Morgan Freeman, Azathoth, etc. are just Gan's avatars and that everything in fiction is real, every Omnipotent in fiction is the same, and Gan creates it into reality in another universe outside of our own.

Or that's what I hear.

Therefore Gan/Dark Tower >>>>>>>>>> All fiction.

That's what we get for using metafiction for Omnipotents.

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Actually, if I take another look at this thread; it is a pretty big stomp in terms of the team

God Spawn is backed by Man of Miracles, who is omnipotent. Living Tribunal is nigh-omnipotent. Beyonder is nigh omni-potent. Azathoth is omnipotent. Michael is nigh-omnipotent. God and Satan (Image comics) are both stated as being all powerful (a synonym for omnipotent). Since there already is an all powerful entity in Spawn (the Man of Miracles) we will just call them nigh-omnipotent. Elder God Demonsbane is nigh-omnipotent (correct me if I am wrong as I am not that familiar with Demonsbane). Molecule Man is nigh-omnipotent. God Swamp Thing is nigh-omnipotent. Trigon is universal. Spectre is multi-universal. And I'm not even going to bother with the rest.

Vs.

Featherine, who is nigh-omnipotent.

So yeah, Featherine loses.

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#40  Edited By Sungsam

@bdelloidgrain2 said:

Actually, if I take another look at this thread; it is a pretty big stomp in terms of the team

God Spawn is backed by Man of Miracles, who is omnipotent. Living Tribunal is nigh-omnipotent. Beyonder is nigh omni-potent. Azathoth is omnipotent. Michael is nigh-omnipotent. God and Satan (Image comics) are both stated as being all powerful (a synonym for omnipotent). Since there already is an all powerful entity in Spawn (the Man of Miracles) we will just call them nigh-omnipotent. Elder God Demonsbane is nigh-omnipotent (correct me if I am wrong as I am not that familiar with Demonsbane). Molecule Man is nigh-omnipotent. God Swamp Thing is nigh-omnipotent. Trigon is universal. Spectre is multi-universal. And I'm not even going to bother with the rest.

Vs.

Featherine, who is nigh-omnipotent.

So yeah, Featherine loses.

God Spawn should be banned. Please stop talking about him.

Living Tribunal is a jobber.

Beyonder's power depends on interpretation.

Michael and Lucifer have the potential to effortlessly create a Cosmology bigger than Umineko several times over, they just haven't done it. But that doesn't count though when we use only feats.

God and Satan (image comics) their power is a total unknown, but they seem to be Low Multiversal, really. They could be Nigh Omnipotent, but all powerful is often a metaphor.

Elder God Demonbane is not Nigh Omnipotent. He is Multiversal but VIA summoning infinite Universe Buster clones from other realities. That's not even close to being Autonomously Omnipotent. You need Creation feats instead of just power feats to prove Nigh Omnipotence.

Molecule Man's reality warping seems to be based on dimensional, time space, matter and quantum manipulation. He is a Scientific variant of Nigh Omnipotence.

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Featherine clears based on Cosmology tiering and scaling based on removal from Omnipotence.

Of course, you can find other gauging methods that I'm not aware of.

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@sungsam: Firstly, God and Satan in Image comics were stated (by the Man of Miracles) to be all powerful. So you can interpret that as nigh-omnipotent or full on omnipotent.

Secondly, just because Featherine has "higher cosmology tiering" doesn't prevent her from being erased from existence (of course she can erase people as well). There is nothing stopping, for example, Molecule Man from rearranging her molecules and turning her into a duck, just as she can probably, with only thought, turn Molecule Man into a banana. All in all, this really comes down to pick your favourite nigh-omnipotent character.

That being said, Trigon and Spectre really do have no chance in winning this.

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@sungsam: Also, I didn't know how powerful Elder God Demonbane was.

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#43  Edited By Sungsam

@bdelloidgrain2 said:

@sungsam: Firstly, God and Satan in Image comics were stated (by the Man of Miracles) to be all powerful. So you can interpret that as nigh-omnipotent or full on omnipotent.

Secondly, just because Featherine has "higher cosmology tiering" doesn't prevent her from being erased from existence (of course she can erase people as well). There is nothing stopping, for example, Molecule Man from rearranging her molecules and turning her into a duck, just as she can probably, with only thought, turn Molecule Man into a banana. All in all, this really comes down to pick your favourite nigh-omnipotent character.

That being said, Trigon and Spectre really do have no chance in winning this.

I suppose you're right. After all, a Nigh Omnipotent in one verse with 1 Universe can probably curbstomp a Multiversal mid tier in another who is not regarded as Nigh Omnipotent. But that's still an interpretation though. Because that was applied also to Universe level Omnipotents only in some fictions.

Cosmology Tiering for Featherine will vary depending on the Umineko fan you talk to. Some argued that DC and Marvel's cosmology is as big only as Beatrice's catbox if not infinitely smaller and that DC and Marvel have no explicit infinite dimensions mentioned.

Yeah they don't.

@bdelloidgrain2 said:

@sungsam: Also, I didn't know how powerful Elder God Demonbane was.

EGD is just Multiversal (via Infinite Universe Busting Alt. Reality Clones). Dimensiony tiering (MY way) says he's probably 6D since 1 Universe has infinite timelines in it in Demonbane according to what I hear.

Obscure VNs get wanked because the fans and wankers monopolize all translations of information about a verse. If anti-Feats exist for a certain character, we wouldn't know about it because the information is omitted. That's how Demonbane got wanked and feats are all highly cherry picked to make a certain character Omnipotent when it really isn't.

Wanking for Demonbane is very similar to real life propaganda in authoritarian states. Control of information and exaggeration. If you question the fans, they will intimidate you and send you shitty photoshop images demeaning your character and upholding their own as insults, as arguments. Very similar to propaganda posters in real life.

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@sungsam: Still... Goku stomps due to being mega ultra uberversal!!

Just kidding :)

But in all seriousness, when characters get this strong, it really can go either way. I mean, Featherine could stomp by blinking, but the team could also do the same thing. It really becomes a coin toss. These matchups are difficult to determine since everyone participating in them is already so laughably stupidly powerful that it becomes impossible to measure these characters true power.

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@bdelloidgrain2 said:

@sungsam: Still... Goku stomps due to being mega ultra uberversal!!

Just kidding :)

But in all seriousness, when characters get this strong, it really can go either way. I mean, Featherine could stomp by blinking, but the team could also do the same thing. It really becomes a coin toss. These matchups are difficult to determine since everyone participating in them is already so laughably stupidly powerful that it becomes impossible to measure these characters true power.

We keep throwing these Multiversal feats around, not caring about how the Cosmologies should mesh, where the fight takes place and etc.

If you put Presence, Beyonder or Michael inside the City of Books, they can pretty much easily replicate most or all of the Cosmology and Multiversal feats of Umineko witches theoretically. Or not. Probably most likely for Presence since Presence is Omnipresent. I don't really know a whole lot of the series other than what my Umineko pals tell me.

Again, I don't know. I'm very aloof on these fights as of recent, I don't take it as seriously. Lol

But I still think Feathers clears.

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Azathoth is omnipotent. He solos by waking up.

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Her memory device on her head gets destroyed, Then demonbane proceeds to BREAk her.

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Oh, can we all agree to stop saying the word "Infinite Dimensions"?

Can we all just say "Infinite Layered Multiverse"? or "Infinite Level Multiverse"? to describe a Hilbert like cosmology? I know that infinite dimensions are not really layers or levels, but you know.

I hate using the word dimensions. People argue if it means universe or higher spatial.

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I think matches like these are really too tough to decide. They can easily go either way. But I still think multiple nigh-omnipotent characters would be more powerful than one nigh-omnipotent character. So for this reason, I think the team wins.