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Featherine ftw.

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mismatch beyonder blinks

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@hatsoffmelo:

Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. She takes the win.

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Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. She takes the win.

the living tribunal who would match Featherine is less then an insect for PR Beyonder

so yeah

PR Beyonder to Featherine Augustus Aurora

BEGONE THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!

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Beyonder

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ooh boy a battle of pick your favorite character

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Pre Retcon beyonder was TOAA before they decided to come up with TOAA.

Mismatch of epic proportions.

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@hatsoffmelo:

living tribunal who would match Featherine is less then an insect for PR Beyonder

so yeah

PR Beyonder to Featherine Augustus Aurora

BEGONE THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!

Featherine Augustus Aurora >>>Pre retcon Beyonder bro

it's clear you don't know much about Featherine or Beyonder. I'll try and give you a basic rundown.

Featherine is a transcendental being rendering the infinite ascending ladder of the witch domain irrelevant and freed from it and all restrictions and was able to literally reach the realm of the "creator" depicted as all powerful and all knowing and restricted herself to not become it but the closest thing to it since Featherine can't get any stronger or go any further from her position without becoming apart of the "creator" being of her verse. Featherine is superior over the City of books where each book dwarfs the Umineko (territory) in size. The realm that holds countless immesurable sized Multiverses that Featherine rules

"Umineko/Featherine. (obviously there's a lot more to it but i'ma try to simplify the hell out of this)

Fragments:

Fragments are spoken as infinite parallel universes unlimited conceivable outcomes and they came into different shapes and structures, for example, precious shards with various substance (though each contains a multiverse of parallel universes inside them)

Beatrice is the weakest and is bounded by her territory but even Beatrice was able to create a compendium that generates and encapsulates an endless amount of fragments creating her own infinite multiverse based on endless possibilities spun from the Rokkenjima island scenario.

This is the endless sea that voyagers traverse to escape their boredom. For the sheer scale of this realm, The territory that belongs to Beatrice is ultimately, insignificant to the perspective of voyagers, where beato's entire territory (infinite multiverse) is small and but one amongst an endless amount if this realm stated by Bernkastel, that the territory she created is "tiny" in comparison to others. Also referencing Erika, being the new lord of a fragment here, clearly references an entire territory considering Erika was deemed the new lord of one after her victory in ep5

Not to mention, Voyagers aren't bounded by the Umineko verse and are able to traverse the void an to across other fictions (other fiction verses are just fragments in this realm) but anyways

The City Of Books is the highest known realm in the domain of Witches. In the perspective of beings that can spread their influence throughout this realm, and Featherine Augustus Aurora, who has complete authority over it, the territory of lords, the history of the characters throughout the Ushiromiya family and the entire Journey/tale of Ange, is barely worth a single book amongst an unqauntifiable amount where each book dwarfs Entire multiverses to an immesurable degree that are stored as mere stories, representative of their own cosmologies stated by Erika. Each book holds its own narrative, main characters, cosmology ect... that even dwarfs Umineko (territory) in size. There's also the great game boards belonging to Featherine. It is noted that each one is immeasurably superior to the territory of Beatrice

Then you have Featherine who treats everything as nothing but a chessboard and Lmabdadelta, a voyager witch who was warping and destroying parts of this realm decides to fight Featherine and Featherine simply stopped the verse like an author stopping his/her creation, pulled out the script and edited that she wins and destroys lambdadelta.

Featherine Augustus Aurora has also surpassed the witch domain which was described as an infinite ascending staircase of power but even being transcended over this infinite heiarchy does not mean you're on Featherine's level. It just means you're a step towards it which further correlates with Featherine reaching he absolute highest heights any being can possibly reach. The domain of the "creator"/the final step to god. This final step towards god and it's domain is what Featherine ascended to and even met with.

Featherine is still limited by her sense of self, which one loses when they become part of the "Creator". Since you are no longer you, but merely another part of something that is all powerful. The boundless/0

Featherine spanks Pre Retcon Beyonder with her pimp cane

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Pre Retcon Beyonder is not omnipotent. Himself and the Beyonder realm was affected numerous of times by characters who were nothing special. Pre Retcon Beyonder was just above every entity (who had no feats at this time) and above the multiverse, which isn't saying much to the Likes of Featherine

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@hatsoffmelo said:
@elderelijah190 said:

@hatsoffmelo:

Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. She takes the win.

the living tribunal who would match Featherine is less then an insect for PR Beyonder

so yeah

PR Beyonder to Featherine Augustus Aurora

BEGONE THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!

You have no idea what you're talking about.

the Beyonder Realm is just another multiverse similar to Marvel's mainstream one (and a multiverse in Marvel = endless levels of infinity). Featherine pretty much describes this.

Featherine rendering endless levels of infinity irrelevant

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Transcending the infinite Heiarchy abyss at the realm of the omnipotent creator.

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The city of books is realm on the infinite ladder than Featherine completely transcended. Each book in this realm holds a fragment that generates a multiverse.

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So yes, going by feats, Both Featherine and Pre retcon beyonder are very similar.

The only thing different, is that featherine has "meta" combat feat that embodies the author.

you do realise that the Entire Marvel omniverse (Living Tribunal and Molecule Man included) means less then nothing to PR Beyonder

as Dr pepper said

Pre Retcon beyonder was TOAA before they decided to come up with TOAA.

Mismatch of epic proportions.

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#13  Edited By kilgpmktra

@hatsoffmelo said:
@kilgpmktra said:
@hatsoffmelo said:
@elderelijah190 said:

@hatsoffmelo:

Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. She takes the win.

the living tribunal who would match Featherine is less then an insect for PR Beyonder

so yeah

PR Beyonder to Featherine Augustus Aurora

BEGONE THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!

You have no idea what you're talking about.

the Beyonder Realm is just another multiverse similar to Marvel's mainstream one (and a multiverse in Marvel = endless levels of infinity). Featherine pretty much describes this.

Featherine rendering endless levels of infinity irrelevant

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Transcending the infinite Heiarchy abyss at the realm of the omnipotent creator.

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The city of books is realm on the infinite ladder than Featherine completely transcended. Each book in this realm holds a fragment that generates a multiverse.

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So yes, going by feats, Both Featherine and Pre retcon beyonder are very similar.

The only thing different, is that featherine has "meta" combat feat that embodies the author.

you do realise that the Entire Marvel omniverse (Living Tribunal and Molecule Man included) means less then nothing to PR Beyonder

as Dr pepper said

@drpepperman said:

Pre Retcon beyonder was TOAA before they decided to come up with TOAA.

Mismatch of epic proportions.

Lol, that's nothing to the likes of Featherine either. And also, some Marvel writers don't properly understand the different types of multiverses and just say made up things

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Pre retcon beyonder was said to be the embodiment of the infinite dimensional multiverse and a million times more powerful than it

That's nothing to Featherine who views the entire verse's structure as just a chess board and transcended the concept of infinity

Featherine >>> Pre retcon Beyonder my guy

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Ahhh..

The good ol Omnipotent fallacy

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This seems pretty even actually.

Judging based off feats and scans, Both characters are very similar (all powerful, infinite no restrictions, "omniversal"), BUT she embodies the Author and can pause the story/change the plot on a whim.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wA4WSWNUJhs

These type of fights are defined by the slightest advantage. So with that and feats established,

Featherine wins

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Bugs Bunny comes outta nowhere and solos all

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@hatsoffmelo said:
@kilgpmktra said:
@hatsoffmelo said:
@elderelijah190 said:

@hatsoffmelo:

Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. She takes the win.

the living tribunal who would match Featherine is less then an insect for PR Beyonder

so yeah

PR Beyonder to Featherine Augustus Aurora

BEGONE THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!

You have no idea what you're talking about.

the Beyonder Realm is just another multiverse similar to Marvel's mainstream one (and a multiverse in Marvel = endless levels of infinity). Featherine pretty much describes this.

Featherine rendering endless levels of infinity irrelevant

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Transcending the infinite Heiarchy abyss at the realm of the omnipotent creator.

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The city of books is realm on the infinite ladder than Featherine completely transcended. Each book in this realm holds a fragment that generates a multiverse.

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So yes, going by feats, Both Featherine and Pre retcon beyonder are very similar.

The only thing different, is that featherine has "meta" combat feat that embodies the author.

you do realise that the Entire Marvel omniverse (Living Tribunal and Molecule Man included) means less then nothing to PR Beyonder

as Dr pepper said

@drpepperman said:

Pre Retcon beyonder was TOAA before they decided to come up with TOAA.

Mismatch of epic proportions.

Yes. And I also realize the "omniverse" is a synonym to multiverse that someone randomly came up with and applied

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, and Beyonder exist beyond that. Just like Umineko's city of books where each fragments are stored as books and the characters in the verse stated their "episode" would only be a single book in the infinite library, Featherine is also infinitely above that.

The equivalent of this would be Living tribunal being the supreme judge of the city of books while Featherine is infinitely above it.

So yes, both beings are completely free of restrictions of infinity and exist in the highest possible realm outside of everything in the verse clearly stated by transcending the infinite hierarchy. Only thing different, featherine has shown to operate at an extremely high meta narrative and essentially broke the 4th wall with causality manipulation/author authority

So like Elijah and cao cao said

Featherine wins at worst stalemate

as i said before the LT would match FAA

the LT is nothing more then a Worm to PR Beyonder

therefor PR Beyonder blinks the entire verse

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featherine stomps

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Oh look a My dad is better then your dad debate.

I pick a third option... because my dad is better then both of yours.

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#21  Edited By kilgpmktra

@hatsoffmelo: Lol You made statements that amounts to nothing. I already showed you why Featherine is of a different league of her own that is greater than what PR Beyonder has shown without the hyperbole.

Funny, you obviously know nothing of the verse you’re trying to argue against yet keep making pointless statements.

“This trash will be erased”

Is what she’ll write. And then Featherine wins

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PR Beyonder stomps this overrated girl.

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Dude stop posting crap

Featherine with just 1% her power would stomp living tribunal

Tribunal was killed by the beyonders who couldn't even destroy the marvel multiverse. Those beyonders got killed by multiple universal level bombs. Pathetic

Tribunal also got killed by Lord chaos and master order, two people who are not even multiversal in power and u think he can match Featherine who is omniversal?

Tribunal is the most overrated cosmic jobber in the history of comic book

Featherine solos the marvel verse as easy as killing an ant

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Dude stop posting crap

Featherine with just 1% her power would stomp living tribunal

Tribunal was killed by the beyonders who couldn't even destroy the marvel multiverse. Those beyonders got killed by multiple universal level bombs. Pathetic

Tribunal also got killed by Lord chaos and master order, two people who are not even multiversal in power and u think he can match Featherine who is omniversal?

Tribunal is the most overrated cosmic jobber in the history of comic book

Featherine solos the marvel verse as easy as killing an ant

calm down no need to get butthurt over fictional magical Girls

and the LT being killed by three beyonders is not a low showing that's like saying superman getting killed by aunt may with kryptonite a low showing

in short the beyonders to cosmic entities are what kryptonite is to superman

and there are so many marvel characters who would stomp featherine

Oblivion

HotU Thanos

GoD Doom

Protege

Scathan

beyonders

Molecule Man

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Featherine stomps the wanked god and solos Marvel and DC for fun

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#26  Edited By kilgpmktra

@hatsoffmelo: Lmao, it's almost like you didn't read a single thing I wrote bro.

Okay, you named a bunch of powerful marvel characters. All with the exception of HOTU Thanos would get obliterated by Featherine.

Even then, the Ivory kings did die. Pre retcon Beyonder would not die by anything in Marvel even by Pre MM. So yeah, for the argument at hand, that could be a low showing for LT.

Beyonder Realm is just another multiverse. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level

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Beyonder stomps her and her verse...

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Prepare for the comic book fans to say Beyonder stomp even though they probably haven't even heard of Umineko. IMO it's a stalemate, just because I currently don't want to argue with comic fans.

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#29  Edited By kilgpmktra

@doctordamn: He's not though. Even if he does get past featherine (which would be a pretty big stretch) the "creator" says hi fam

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@ovy7 said:

Prepare for the comic book fans to say Beyonder stomp even though they probably haven't even heard of Umineko. IMO it's a stalemate, just because I currently don't want to argue with comic fans.

Except I know about Both Marvel/Pre retcon Beyonder and Umineko/Featherine (at least a bit)

Featherine is to Voyagers what voyagers are to humans. Voyagers who already transcended layers that occupy the void and encompass these levels of infinity . The city of books where each story has endless fragments and base Umineko sized creations kept as individual books, the realm featherine created/rules

Featherine is at the top of the infinite hierarchy hilariously above voyagers that she views as game pieces.

Beyonder by comparison embodies infinite dimensions and is millions of times more powerful than the Marvel Multiverse. Yes, the fight between Featherine and Pre retcon beyonder goes to Featherine here.

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@ovy7 said:

Prepare for the comic book fans to say Beyonder stomp even though they probably haven't even heard of Umineko. IMO it's a stalemate, just because I currently don't want to argue with comic fans.

Except I know about Both Marvel/Pre retcon Beyonder and Umineko/Featherine

Featherine is to Voyagers what voyagers is to beatrice (a witch capable producing infinite realities and getting rid of them) what beatrice is to a regular human. Voyager already encompass all of infinity. The city of books, the place of endless books and each book has fragments and infinite realities kept as individual stories,

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is just a world on the ladder. Featherine is at the top of the infinite hierarchy hilariously above the realm and above voyagers that she views as game pieces.

Beyonder by comparison embodies infinite dimensions and is millions of times more powerful than the Marvel Multiverse. Yes, the fight between Featherine and Pre retcon beyonder goes to Featherine here.

Man, I already know everything about Umineko. I'm even thinking about making an RT for some of the characters, but I'm not so good with how formatting works here lol

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@elderelijah190 said:

@hatsoffmelo:

Pr beyonder blinks away a nigh omni that treat beings that treat beings that treat beings that are multiversal++ level like an outright folder right? She basically controls the plot of her verse. She takes the win.

the living tribunal who would match Featherine is less then an insect for PR Beyonder

so yeah

PR Beyonder to Featherine Augustus Aurora

BEGONE THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!

Gtfo Featherine would xeeleestomp the Livng Tribunal.

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@hatsoffmelo: With the feats shown and what has been stated about Featherine, nobody on that list is doing anything to her. You clearly know nothing of either character

Like I said, Both of these characters are practically equal. Only thing different, Featherine has more meta/reality hax in diverse amounts. These fights are decided by the slightest advantage

Meaning, Featherine wins

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This again...

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#37  Edited By kilgpmktra

@thevoidofdeath:

In terms of power and taking cosmology into context, both Featherine and PRB (god in his realm) stack well against each other.

Only difference, Pre retcon beyonder isn't TOAA. Maybe in his realm, but this battle didn't specify if this takes place there. Featherine also has that "you lose and die" ability. And since she operates at the highest possible level, this gives her the win

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#38  Edited By Wrathofthebrad

Probably Featherine, but fights on that level are pretty silly anyways.

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@kilgpmktra: I am becoming quite angry.... he constantly keeps making these threads. Oh, i see makes sense

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#42  Edited By Sungsam

@kilgpmktra said:

@thevoidofdeath: Well, the guy “arguing” against Featherine clearly knows nothing about the Beyonder or Featherine which is quite apparent since all he can do is post random crap without refuting anything

In terms of power and taking cosmology into context, both Featherine and PRB stack well against each other.

Only difference, Featherine has that causality manipulation/author authority ability. And since she operates at the highest possible level, this gives her the win

With respect, there is no such thing as a character with "author authority" if you want me generous, it's just a variation of reality manipulation then you give it a branding name to make it sound "sexy" and "different" and "edgy" and "cool" and "advanced" but there is no effective difference. She's a fictional character. So that has ZERO bearing.

There are many characters in fiction, who are metafictionally SO powerful, they changed even their voice actors and THEIR OWN writers, on top of 4th wall manipulating powers, FAR superior and impressive to metafictional power that Featherine has shown because they are basically EDITOR IN CHIEF in possessive powers, which logically should trump over Author Authority, but I don't think they would stomp her. I don't follow that logic.

People have different interpretations of how Author Authority should work. Some would argue it would only work in one's fiction verse while it has ZERO power over characters of another copyright, some disagree.

Narrow choice of arguments to something CRITICALLY applicable. Not this.

Views Beatrice herself as a fictional character, as well as the whole of Beatrice's 'meta layer' where she edits the lowest layer.

Then by that definition and if I intrerpret this in a funny way, Beatrice has as much power as a guy living as an Omnipotent God in a virtual simulation WITHIN fiction verse. She's just a virtual character like Neo is in the Matrix. What does that say about the implied impressiveness Featherine has over those fictional characters? What power does she have over something actually real? Because power over something real to you is FAR more impressive don't you think. Featherine is just toying with fictional characters. If I twist it enough, that is FAR from reality warping. Any mortal human can manipulate characters fictional to them with a paper and pen. Unimpressive.

SO FEATHERINE IS JUST A NORMAL WITCH TOYING WITH VIRTUAL REALITIES BASICALLY???? NOT MUCH?? Sure, call me ignorant about Umineko and whatnot. But look at this way of thinking....: See how I can twist and reinterpret these statements of yours? Just saying.

Don't get me wrong, I pretty much think this is a draw.

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Featherine because I'm a weeb

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#44  Edited By Sungsam
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@hatsoffmelo: With the feats shown and what has been stated about Featherine, nobody on that list is doing anything to her. You clearly know nothing of either character

Like I said, Both of these characters are practically equal. Only thing different, Featherine has more meta/reality hax in diverse amounts. These fights are decided by the slightest advantage

Meaning, Featherine wins

LMFAO, the term HAX is just a politicized variation of No Limits Fallacy that goes along the lines of "fuck you" in your face "Haha I just win cuz I win cuz yay" and "Fuck you, cuz hax, I win" Illogical non sense. It ANSWERS nothing. SOLVES nothing. IT'S ONLY DISMISSIVE. And you damn know it. It is a term coined by forum dwellers based on a lack of knowledge on the limits of a power. Any reality warper should easily demonstrate what seems to be "Hax".

The moment you Hax parroters publicly acknowledge that such characters are HEREBY NOT STRICT TRUE ABSOLUTE OMNIPOTENTS, already demonstrates that you ABSOLUTELY ADMIT that deep down, you know that the users of these powers are not the "Hax-UNLIPOTENT" Characters that you say they are.

Next, I ain't seen anyone validly quoting any of Comic or Manga authors use the term "Hax" to describe the powers of their characters.

You people even argue whose Hax is more Hax than whose Hax. Dafuq? It's no different from InfinityXInfinityXInfinity Multiverse dick size competition loop holes.

There are many Nigh-Omni characters on Featherine's domain level and category who don't need fucking devices on their head to maintain their self-concept of individuality. But she can't simply Hax out the very definition, existence and concept of that handicap for someone as powerful as she is? Weird. The same goes for ALL characters who have been labelled with having so called "Omni-Hax" non sense, but have show-cased certain limitations.

You want, I'll coin my own terminologies of fuck-you-fallacy powers myself. Like "Omni-Firewall" powers that put a fuck you to Hax and Hacker powers. Then everything will be a disastrous nightmare to get with any debate.

The only "TRUE" Hax is Omnipotence if you want me generous. Everything else is just non sense.

Ahhh..

The good ol Omnipotent fallacy

What I find ridiculous is that you DARE CALL OMNIPOTENCE A FALLACY, but you don't think HAX is a fallacy in itself that you use?

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@kilgpmktra said:

@thevoidofdeath: Well, the guy “arguing” against Featherine clearly knows nothing about the Beyonder or Featherine which is quite apparent since all he can do is post random crap without refuting anything

In terms of power and taking cosmology into context, both Featherine and PRB stack well against each other.

Only difference, Featherine has that causality manipulation/author authority ability. And since she operates at the highest possible level, this gives her the win

With respect, there is no such thing as a character with "author authority" if you want me generous, it's just a variation of reality manipulation then you give it a branding name to make it sound "sexy" and "different" and "edgy" and "cool" and "advanced" but there is no effective difference. She's a fictional character. So that has ZERO bearing.

There are many characters in fiction, who are metafictionally SO powerful, they changed even their voice actors and THEIR OWN writers, on top of 4th wall manipulating powers, FAR superior and impressive to metafictional power that Featherine has shown because they are basically EDITOR IN CHIEF in possessive powers, which logically should trump over Author Authority, but I don't think they would stomp her. I don't follow that logic.

People have different interpretations of how Author Authority should work. Some would argue it would only work in one's fiction verse while it has ZERO power over characters of another copyright, some disagree.

Narrow choice of arguments to something CRITICALLY applicable. Not this.

Views Beatrice herself as a fictional character, as well as the whole of Beatrice's 'meta layer' where she edits the lowest layer.

Then by that definition and if I intrerpret this in a funny way, Beatrice has as much power as a guy living as an Omnipotent God in a virtual simulation WITHIN fiction verse. She's just a virtual character like Neo is in the Matrix. What does that say about the implied impressiveness Featherine has over those fictional characters? What power does she have over something actually real? Because power over something real to you is FAR more impressive don't you think. Featherine is just toying with fictional characters. If I twist it enough, that is FAR from reality warping. Any mortal human can manipulate characters fictional to them with a paper and pen. Unimpressive.

SO FEATHERINE IS JUST A NORMAL WITCH TOYING WITH VIRTUAL REALITIES BASICALLY???? NOT MUCH?? Sure, call me ignorant about Umineko and whatnot. But look at this way of thinking....: See how I can twist and reinterpret these statements of yours? Just saying.

Don't get me wrong, I pretty much think this is a draw.

Exactly, except I know that's exactly what it is, the absolute highest version of reality warping that she used to curbstomp other characters who have powers similar to hers just on a much lower level. Reality warping so powerful, that it may be deemed "omnipotence" in a unique variety. So yes, her powers are not different from reality warping, but they will not be excluded from a vs debate.

Umineko has many different layers. That's how the cosmology/system works. That's how Marvel/D.C/Demonbane/SMT ect... work. That's what voyagers do to characters like beatrice and that's what Featherine does to voyagers.

Point is, Beyonder is facing someone just as powerful as him. And since they operate at the highest possible level, her "reality warping" will give her the win whether "hax" is accepted or not

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No. That isn't how NLF works. This is how it works:

Say a shield is touted as being indestructible. But it has only blocked a boulder falling on top. NLF would be claiming that it can endure the Big Bang since there is no proof to support this claim.

Except the difference between a character like Featherine and the difference between a character like Ajimu or Altair or opm, is that isn't the only thing to scale off of and has characters far less powerful than her and an already impressive cosmology backing up her powers. It would be different if I said, "Featherine can beat anyone cause she operates at the highest "meta" level" no, that would push it. Since Umineko's cosmology isn't that hard to scale from, to point that her powers will work on the highest level. If Featherine was not on this level, I would NOT bring up those powers.

Except Marvel does use levels of infinities. No system can fit into everything. But I would rather take one that tries than one that is being biased by using made up terms like "Megaverse" and "Omniverse" as a measuring stick against other 'verses.

No character who actually appears in fiction is omnipotent, so not sure why that makes a difference? Even pre retcon beyonder on panel is shown to not be omnipotent which contradicts his "omnipotent" statement.

Heck, a character who doesn't appear in fiction actually has slightly more "feats" for being omnipotent cause while they have no feats, at least what feats they have don't prove they aren't omnipotent (like every feat that actually takes place does).

Nah, it's more like a characters claiming to be omnipotent yet clearly isn't better than characters than can edit away other in story characters who would already be top tier based off their feats alone in other verses.

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You guys are still arguing about whose dad would beat up the other?

I mean as long as you are having fun I guess...

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@kilgpmktra said:
@sungsam said:
@kilgpmktra said:

@thevoidofdeath: Well, the guy “arguing” against Featherine clearly knows nothing about the Beyonder or Featherine which is quite apparent since all he can do is post random crap without refuting anything

In terms of power and taking cosmology into context, both Featherine and PRB stack well against each other.

Only difference, Featherine has that causality manipulation/author authority ability. And since she operates at the highest possible level, this gives her the win

With respect, there is no such thing as a character with "author authority" if you want me generous, it's just a variation of reality manipulation then you give it a branding name to make it sound "sexy" and "different" and "edgy" and "cool" and "advanced" but there is no effective difference. She's a fictional character. So that has ZERO bearing.

There are many characters in fiction, who are metafictionally SO powerful, they changed even their voice actors and THEIR OWN writers, on top of 4th wall manipulating powers, FAR superior and impressive to metafictional power that Featherine has shown because they are basically EDITOR IN CHIEF in possessive powers, which logically should trump over Author Authority, but I don't think they would stomp her. I don't follow that logic.

People have different interpretations of how Author Authority should work. Some would argue it would only work in one's fiction verse while it has ZERO power over characters of another copyright, some disagree.

Narrow choice of arguments to something CRITICALLY applicable. Not this.

Views Beatrice herself as a fictional character, as well as the whole of Beatrice's 'meta layer' where she edits the lowest layer.

Then by that definition and if I intrerpret this in a funny way, Beatrice has as much power as a guy living as an Omnipotent God in a virtual simulation WITHIN fiction verse. She's just a virtual character like Neo is in the Matrix. What does that say about the implied impressiveness Featherine has over those fictional characters? What power does she have over something actually real? Because power over something real to you is FAR more impressive don't you think. Featherine is just toying with fictional characters. If I twist it enough, that is FAR from reality warping. Any mortal human can manipulate characters fictional to them with a paper and pen. Unimpressive.

SO FEATHERINE IS JUST A NORMAL WITCH TOYING WITH VIRTUAL REALITIES BASICALLY???? NOT MUCH?? Sure, call me ignorant about Umineko and whatnot. But look at this way of thinking....: See how I can twist and reinterpret these statements of yours? Just saying.

Don't get me wrong, I pretty much think this is a draw.

Exactly, except I know that's exactly what it is, the absolute highest version of reality warping that she used to curbstomp other characters who have powers similar to hers just on a much lower level. Reality warping so powerful, that it may be deemed "omnipotence" in a unique variety. So yes, her powers are not different from reality warping, but they will not be excluded from a vs debate.

I made it very clear that umineko has many different layers. That's how the cosmology/system works. That's how Marvel/D.C/Demonbane/SMT ect... work. That's what voyagers do to characters like beatrice and that's what Featherine does to voyagers.

Point is, Beyonder is facing someone just as powerful as him. And since they operate at the highest possible level, her "reality warping" will give her the win whether "hax" is accepted or not

You say that Beyonder is equal to Featherine. Then you give the win to Featherine.... because???? She's highest possible level? Then Beyonder is that to if you believe that.

Featherine does not operate at the highest level. She's not Omnipotent, she's Nigh-Omnipotent. Even you say that. So how is that possible?

Even a Demiurge with unlimited and infinite warping/imagination/distortion/creation/destruction/abstract/concept/power over a 4-Dimensional universe is also possessing of a variation of what you would call Omnipotence. That's not really an argument. But 4D Gods look like ants compared to something 10 Dimensional.

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@sungsam: Yes, they are. The Beyonder realm is another multiverse. A marvel multiverse = endless levels of infinity. Featherine would be immeasurable since she rendered these levels irrelevant. So until more info suffice from the VN (which I doubt) they would be equal only because pre retcon beyonder was described as god in his realm.

She has reached and is at the domain of the "creator" and restricts herself so she doesn't become it. Operating at the highest possible level without being the literal "toaa" of the verse. You literally can't get stronger than that without becoming completely omnipotent

No. I was mostly referring to the level Featherine operates at as to why some would call it a "omnipotence" of a unique variety. A high tier nigh omnipotent/omniscient metafictional god.

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@sungsam:

No. That isn't how NLF works. This is how it works:

Say a shield is touted as being indestructible. But it has only blocked a boulder falling on top. NLF would be claiming that it can endure the Big Bang since there is no proof to support this claim.

Except the difference between a character like Featherine and the difference between a character like Ajimu or Altair or opm, is that isn't the only thing to scale off of and has characters far less powerful than her and an already impressive cosmology backing up her powers. It would be different if I said, "Featherine can beat anyone cause she operates at the highest "meta" level" no, that would push it. It's since Umineko already has insanely impressive cosmology to point that her powers will work on the highest/damn near highest level. I keep making that clear. If Featherine was not on this level, I would NOT bring up those powers.

HAX arguments may not be the same as NLF, but they offer a similar motive and tone, and depend on the lack of knowledge and later presumptions. It's a "Fuck You, I win" that ANSWERS NOTHING and SOLVES NOTHING. Think about. When you argue that Featherine has Hax, no one has ever offered a VALID REASON why that would give her an edge over Beyonder, nor any evidence, and what difference is that from Nigh Omnipotence or even low level reality warping can be INDISTINGUISHABLE from Hax. All we are given is the "It just is, Hax just is, therefore I win" sort of argument is the same tone we get from NLF that is an implication of tone with no evidence.

No character who actually appears in fiction is omnipotent, so not sure why that makes a difference? Even pre retcon beyonder on panel is shown to not be omnipotent which contradicts his "omnipotent" statement.

Characters who appear or are written in fiction who are SERIOUSLY Omnipotent as intended by the Author are Omnipotent period. Unless the Author says so and reveals a twist later that the character wasn't Omnipotent to begin with as retconned. FEATS are out of the question. A character doesn't become less Omnipotent by just appearing in a page.

What difference does it make? You make it seem as if Featherine is the most powerful non-Omnipotent fiction character that it doesn't make a difference. NO. This is not the case.

There are many characters out there (albeit unofficial original works) who make PRB, Featherine, Lucifer, LT and etc. ALL look like low tier and yet, are FAR from being ridiculous as Suggsverse ALL based on feats if you will and are not even Omnipotent. So how is it that you must ask me what difference does it make?

The most rational conclusion I can find in my opinion is that PRB and Featherine would pretty much stalemate. They should have enough power to even restore themselves after being erased and destroyed by the other theoretically. And my position remains.