Featherine Augustus Aurora vs Lord of Nightmares

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who wins???

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L-sama is Omnipotent. Stop doing these.

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@reikai: eh I think putting her against Featherine is fair IMO.

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@thor321: This is a stomp...but not in favor of LoN. She is not omnipotent. On the other hand Featherine is the very top of fictional characters (if you exclude omnipotent beings).

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shouldn't Aurora just write her off or something???

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@thor321: It isn't.

@swagpack: You're wrong. And you need to get your facts checked. Or your head. Better do both to make sure.

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@reikai: Idk

I would ask feats for Omnipotence but there is no such a feat for that level of power.

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@thor321: L-Sama slaps the crap out of the Writer and Creator of the series, Hajime Kanzaka, in the original LN. It's the Primary Canon.

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@reikai: oh yeah, its that thing with the shovel right :)

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@reikai: That's not being omnipotent. The mechanics of Slayers verse are nowhere near as complex as Umineko verse. Slayers verse lacks higher dimensional feats. Featherine transcends any dimensional theory. Elder God Demonbane vs Featherine, that's fine. LoN vs Featherine is not.

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@swagpack: your attempts to nitpick are utterly pointless. Your claim of mechanics has no bearing and claiming Featuerine is on par with EGD as if we'd let that slip by unnoticed is just laughable. L-sama is the absolute creator of the Slayers, in its entirety. The Writer makes this very clear and that she even exceeds the Narrative. She even takes Servant-S with her, aka Shabaranigdo, whom the Slayers cast has fought multiple times. Just to show that she can, indeed, do whatever she pleases.

Featherine cannot exceed the Narrative nor is she omnipotent. L-sama can and she is. Nothing you say can change these facts from being incontrovertibly true.

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@reikai: Exceeding narrative does not make you omnipotent. Your logic is laughable at the very least. Being a creator of a verse does not make you omnipotent. Show me that the Slayers verse at least has higher dimensional space (5D and above).

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#13  Edited By lachesisfate

Featherine in a stomp.

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Lord_of_Nightmares

http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Featherine_Augustus_Aurora

Featherine is High 1-A , where as LON is low 1-C.

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well, I did some research and it seems to me that LoN is omnipotent.

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#15  Edited By kilgpmktra

@thor321: LON is not omnipotent

Either way, featherine wins since she has the better feats and umineko's cosmology is far more impressive than slayer

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#16  Edited By ElderElijah190

The outcome of this battle revolves around if LON is omnipotent or not which i doubt but OK. If she's omnipotent then things would be slightly difficult,if she's a multiversal nigh omnipotent tier then this is a mismatch. Yeah,beings who toils around with multiverses are folder to featherine.

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#17  Edited By Zetsu-San  Online

If a writer writes a character to be omnipotent, then they are omnipotent. You don’t need complicated latter based cosmologies or over the top multiversal battles to make an omnipotent character. Narrative is just as important as feats. Writers don’t sit there thinking about all the ways they can prove their character is as powerful as they say they are; they are there to write a story. That is all.

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#18  Edited By ANDROMADA

@zetsumoto: I guess the Celestiosapiens are omnipotent because the author says so. Lol

Author laziness or ignorance is not an excuse to justify an omnipotent character. Because there have been times before where fictional series will claim a character to be omnipotent, only to contradict that. The authors don't always take into consideration other fictional series. So rightfully so, a series with more advanced systematic axioms of power should produce more powerful characters.

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#19  Edited By Zetsu-San  Online

@andromada: Except that the Celestialsapients are obviously not omnipotent as there are tons of them and as far as I am aware, not a single one of them has been confirmed to be the origin of all that exists.

Author laziness or ignorance is not an excuse to justify an omnipotent character.

Neither laziness nor ignorance have anything to do with it. Writers write stories. That's all. They aren't there to cover some check box for battle forums. Not every story revolves around multiversal battles or is told from the perspective of a character who would be privy to the inner workings of their world's cosmology.

When the writer introduces the setting's God into the story, you are supposed to accept it, because that's what the story is about. To say otherwise is to say you know more about the writer's world than they do. It vastly limits what writers are allowed to say about their worlds.

Because there have been times before where fictional series will claim a character to be omnipotent, only to contradict that.

For one, Slayers is an already completed story. Secondly, anything can get "contradicted later", whether it's simple statement or an on-screen showing... If we followed your logic, then we couldn't take anything shown or stated in stories as fact, ever... because again... anything can get contradicted at some point in the future.

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Featherine cause I like her more lol, but yeah, if LoN is omnipotent then this should be closed.

Also, is Slayers any good?

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#21  Edited By Lordflawlez

Featherine

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@ovy7 said:

Featherine cause I like her more lol, but yeah, if LoN is omnipotent then this should be closed.

Also, is Slayers any good?

it't great

OT Lord of Nightmares stomps

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#23  Edited By kilgpmktra

@alex_odinson:

No, she doesn't. Hell, it's actually the other way around since LON best feat is a multiversal one and characters far below Featherine (lambdadelta/bernkastel) are hilariously above that and Featherine is hilariously above them.

And your constant spam of troll threads involving Featherine is making it very apparent about your take on this

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“So rightfully so, a series with more advanced systematic axioms of power should produce more powerful characters.”

Which means Featherine wins this.

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@alex_odinson: Lord of Nightmares stomps

No, she doesn't. Hell, it might be the other way around if LON best feat is a multiversal one and characters far below Featherine (lambdadelta/bernkastel) are hilariously above that and Featherine is hilariously above them.

And your constant spam of troll threads involving Featherine is making it very apparent about your take on this

you know LoN beat up the Author right

the freaking Author!!!!!!

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#26  Edited By kilgpmktra

@alex_odinson said:
@kilgpmktra said:

@alex_odinson: Lord of Nightmares stomps

No, she doesn't. Hell, it might be the other way around if LON best feat is a multiversal one and characters far below Featherine (lambdadelta/bernkastel) are hilariously above that and Featherine is hilariously above them.

And your constant spam of troll threads involving Featherine is making it very apparent about your take on this

you know LoN beat up the Author right

the freaking Author!!!!!!

Ahh, so that's what you resort too? Meta shit? Well, if that's the case, Featherine stomped a way above infinite multiversal witch who can break the 4th wall and go beyond to other fictions as well.

So yah.

Please provide actual in cosmology feats.

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@alex_odinson said:
@kilgpmktra said:

@alex_odinson: Lord of Nightmares stomps

No, she doesn't. Hell, it might be the other way around if LON best feat is a multiversal one and characters far below Featherine (lambdadelta/bernkastel) are hilariously above that and Featherine is hilariously above them.

And your constant spam of troll threads involving Featherine is making it very apparent about your take on this

you know LoN beat up the Author right

the freaking Author!!!!!!

Yes, and so did doctor strange.

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And Doctor strange at the time even admitted he's vastly inferior to other In story Marvel characters.

Please provide actual in cosmology feats.

Like Adromada said “So rightfully so, a series with more advanced systematic axioms of power should produce more powerful characters.

Thus resulting in featherine winning.

slayers and marvel are two very not alike verses

comparing them in an attempt to lowball is futile

try harder

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#28  Edited By kilgpmktra

@alex_odinson said:
@kilgpmktra said:
@alex_odinson said:
@kilgpmktra said:

@alex_odinson: Lord of Nightmares stomps

No, she doesn't. Hell, it might be the other way around if LON best feat is a multiversal one and characters far below Featherine (lambdadelta/bernkastel) are hilariously above that and Featherine is hilariously above them.

And your constant spam of troll threads involving Featherine is making it very apparent about your take on this

you know LoN beat up the Author right

the freaking Author!!!!!!

Yes, and so did doctor strange.

No Caption Provided

And Doctor strange at the time even admitted he's vastly inferior to other In story Marvel characters.

Please provide actual in cosmology feats.

Like Adromada said “So rightfully so, a series with more advanced systematic axioms of power should produce more powerful characters.

Thus resulting in featherine winning.

slayers and marvel are two very not alike verses

comparing them in an attempt to lowball is futile

try harder

You're right. Marvel actually has way more impressive cosmology than slayer.

The Lord of Nightmares, has only control of 4 stage multiverse. There are characters in Umineko that are way below Featherine that literally laughs at that. Actually, Living tribunal would laugh at that. Just to give you an idea

For a better idea, Featherine stomped a witch who is above LON weight class. Try harder.

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Lon had a hard time putting down a universal thread. Lon = overrated.

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Pretty sure Featherine stomps hard.

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slayers is interesting tho

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#32  Edited By Sungsam

@harrisonmesko said:

Lon had a hard time putting down a universal thread. Lon = overrated.

Correct.

And THIS people, is how you deal with Omnipotent characters in fiction who seem questionably Omnipotent. You bring up ANTI-FEATS, a Fictional Omnipotent until proven otherwise and questioning the Author's definition of an Omnipotent as we did with Demonbane, Ben 10 and etc. who don't know what the fuck they're doing with big ass words that should include EVERY POWER KNOWN IN FICTION AT OMNI-INFINITE AND OMNI-UNLIMITED SCALE. Since Authors these days have poor comprehension of how big of a word Omnipotence is.

I automatically discount the whole "NO TRUE OMNIPOTENT IN FICTION" non sense, and bringing up Logical Fallacies as arguments against a power that discounts logic, since even True Omnipotents as a concept that defies logic already exist in the minds of the people who say that shit and diss Omnipotent Characters once they understand the arguments of their opponents, they automatically lose.

Anyway, Featherine stomps hard. Like really badly, Featherine is literally up there, maybe just a meter away from True Omnipotence. Nothing short of probably Writer/Overmonitor, GEB, Hajun, XianXia/MH tier is equalizing her at least.

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Both of them are amazing

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L-Sama is still omnipotent. People argue over "mechanics of cosmology" and other BS. She is, as stated within the series, so vast and incomprehensible as to defy all meaning. In essence, you can't even define the extent of her existence. She cannot be injured nor destroyed as nothing exists more powerful than herself. She is TOAA of the Slayers-universe.

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Featherine for the win. She just has better feats, but by hierarchy and statements etc. , LoN should be a match for featherine but she never did anything on featherine's level. For now, featherine simply operates on a higher, more complex scale then LoN.

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#36  Edited By kilgpmktra
@reikai said:

L-Sama is still omnipotent. People argue over "mechanics of cosmology" and other BS.

Stop

Terms like omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent aren't effective in cross-fiction scenarios. By feats and scaling, there are quite a few characters who would defeat "nigh omnipotent/omnipotent" beings since they OR their cosmology haven't demonstrated anything greater than the character they are up against.

Lord of nightmares may be "all powerful" (she isn''t) in the context of her own verse, but for a cross fiction scenario, you have to assume both true "omnipotent" gods are the same. Then you have to properly scale the two beings from both verses to each other to see which one is greater.

And since slayers cosmology is literally no where near as impressive as umineko's (you don't know what you are talking about. Don't even try it, I've seen your arguments) this means in a battle between the two verses, the one with the better cosmology, scaling, feats ect... would win.

Fam

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#37  Edited By Sungsam

@reikai said:

L-Sama is still omnipotent. People argue over "mechanics of cosmology" and other BS. She is, as stated within the series, so vast and incomprehensible as to defy all meaning. In essence, you can't even define the extent of her existence. She cannot be injured nor destroyed as nothing exists more powerful than herself. She is TOAA of the Slayers-universe.

Is L-Sama stated to be Omnipotent? Has all powers and stuff? Because all power includes every ability known in fiction, which is capable of destroying any individual character regardless and changing the size of a cosmology into beyond words of levels of size.

Omnipotence is a big word you should not throw around lightly. Alien X and Celestialsapiens are believed to be Omnipotent by many people because of statement, but their Omnipotence is at a range of Universe level only and they are incapable of making decisions and they are born and created. Which is kind of dumb, because how can you be Omnipotent in one universe only? In Ben 10, because Omnipotent Aliens are born and shit, that would be weird because how can Omnipotent Aliens need to fuck and have kids that are also Omnipotent? See? We can't just go by Omnipotent by Statement only, we have to rule out every possible anti-Feat against a Claimed Omnipotent before we can agree it is a True Omnipotent.

Also, there are many non-Omnipotent characters stated to defy all meaning and are inconceivable, but they're still not Omnipotent though. And anyway,

What was this thing that Harrisonmesko said about L Sama?

@harrisonmesko said:

Lon had a hard time putting down a universal thread. Lon = overrated.

What's this universal thread anyway? Context needed. Something she can't do at a universal scale that occurred in the story where LON came from? Yes?

If so, then in other words, we just disproved L-Sama's supposed Omnipotence by anti-Feat.

Now when we speak of NON-Omnipotent characters, we can only scale them surely from Cosmology Tiering and what they reign over.

So far, L Sama appears to be just a Multi-Universal Abstract or Warper, not even Omnipotent in any form or Nigh Omnipotent, the latter requires legit scaling from an Omnipotent, which is what Featherine has.

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Featherine for the win. She just has better feats, but by hierarchy and statements etc. , LoN should be a match for featherine but she never did anything on featherine's level. For now, featherine simply operates on a higher, more complex scale then LoN.

Agree for all of this.

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Featherine stomps.

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@sungsam: Your understanding of omnipotence is sorely lacking. And there is no anti-feat. It's just someone making complaints and having no evidence to back their statements.


Lord of nightmares may be "all powerful" (she isn''t) in the context of her own verse, but for a cross fiction scenario, you have to assume both true "omnipotent" gods are the same. Then you have to properly scale the two beings from both verses to each other to see which one is greater.

That's not how that works. You don't get to claim "Well only omnipotent in THEIR universe!" like some spoiled whiny child. Talking about cosmology is pointless. You either Are or you Aren't. And L-Sama is.

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#41  Edited By Sungsam

@reikai:

My understanding of Omnipotence is that a character is Omnipotent until proven otherwise. Such as the case with Living Tribunal, Celestialsapiens, every Suggsverse character, Cosmos and Kubik and the whole "Bigger Infinity Omnipotent" gibberish who are all called Omnipotent who are proven not Omnipotent otherwise. I'm not seriously implying that maybe L Sama is necessarily like that.

I ask again, is she stated Omnipotent? I don't even want to ask for scans, I'll take your word for it. Is she explicitly called Omnipotent? If there is no anti-Feat to her Omnipotence, then I'm inclined to agree she is.

@kilgpmktra:

The thing about Cosmology tiering is that it is difficult to apply that to an Omnipotent character who isn't really proven to be not Omnipotent either. IMO, Cosmology Tiering is more comforting to be applied against non-Omnipotent characters or proven to be non-Omnipotent characters.

I'm still on the fence to L Sama's Omnipotence, but let's pretend she is for the sake of argument.

if she is Omnipotent, then L Sama has the power to make the cosmology of her own verse infinitely bigger than all of Umineko's Cosmology. "Manipulate Cosmology Complexity and Size to any Size Imaginable" is a power, that is included under Omnipotence as well. Sure, this is theoretical, has to be proven, but that's why Claimed Omnipotent characters are so difficult to deal with, even when we apply scaling and feats against them. So probably, in this case, Omnipotence kind of invalidates Cosmology Tiering as well. Best bet to get an objective consensus is for anti-Feat against Omnipotence.

I'm not saying L Sama is Omnipotent either, I still think Featherine takes this so far.

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#42  Edited By kilgpmktra

@sungsam: LON is not omnipotent.

"Page 163 to page 164 slayers volume 8 king of the city of ghosts

?Ok I shall grant you destruction, Hellmaster Phibrizzo,?

I said ?you shallhave precisely what you desire.? The

golden-hued hair of the human Lina Inverse, who had

become by centre swayed in the air.

I crushed the void in my right hand with the greatest

of ease. It simultaneously jumped across space and

transferred into phibrizzo?s body.

?GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!?

Hellmaster Phibrizzo screaned. At that same moment,

I ?saw him leave an Astral Fragment within the void as he fled into the astral plane."

TL:DR: She attacked with the intent to kill and he survived.

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#43  Edited By Sungsam

@kilgpmktra said:

@sungsam: LON is not omnipotent.

TL:DR: She attacked with the intent to kill and he survived.

Yep, seals the deal. she ain't Omnipotent.

That means this thread doesn't need to be locked.

That means L Sama is only Autonomous Omnipotent.

You know, like how Puppet States or Autonomous Regions of a country have some Autonomy of power but they don't have full control over absolutely everything and every decision? L Sama is only at that level.

She's not even Near Omnipotent.

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Both are powerful beings.

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#45  Edited By TheInquistor404
@sungsam said:
@kilgpmktra said:

@sungsam: LON is not omnipotent.

TL:DR: She attacked with the intent to kill and he survived.

Yep, seals the deal. she ain't Omnipotent.

That means this thread doesn't need to be locked.

That means L Sama is only Autonomous Omnipotent.

You know, like how Puppet States or Autonomous Regions of a country have some Autonomy of power but they don't have full control over absolutely everything and every decision? L Sama is only at that level.

She's not even Near Omnipotent.

Omnipotence or not, he's manipulating things by showing it out of context...

Full context:

I didn’t care anymore about the spell going wild or Phibrizzo’s scheme. I didn’t care about anything.

I just wanted to save Gourry. My slime-for-brains, self-appointed guardian Gourry.

“Thou, the quaking Sea of Chaos, the Golden King of Darkness…”

“Oh?!” Phibrizzo suddenly cried, his voice lifting in surprise and joy.

Once upon a time, I’d heard that the Lord of Nightmares—that which had fallen from Heaven into the Sea of Chaos—was the Demon Lord of Demon Lords.

But that was wrong. I knew it was.

The Claire Bible told me that the Sea of Chaos stretched beneath the many worlds was, itself, none other than the Lord of Nightmares.

There’s a legend everyone’s probably heard about— the one that says the world is resting on top of a staff in the Sea of Chaos.

But that’s not the right way to put it. It should go more like this:

“The Sea of Chaos itself is the foundation of all existence.

I call upon thee,

I pledge myself to thee;

Let us stand together.

And let the fools

Who stand before us

Suffer the fate of destruction … !”

For a second time, the darkness—No. Now the nothingness spawned. Or was it even that? I was even starting to think that the substance I saw was Chaos itself.

A black something that was way, way beyond human understanding slowly converged in the open palm of my right hand.

I could feel myself being drained again. But this time, it wasn’t magical or physical strength —it was my life force, my soul, that was being sucked out toward blackness. Every cell of my body screamed from the pressure.

But I couldn’t lose consciousness. I couldn’t let the spell run wild. If I lost control … just like Phibrizzo wanted, just like Sylphiel had warned, the entire world would return to nothingness.

THUMP!

I heard a sound as my entire body shuddered.

As my will held the spell back, darkness ate away at that will little by little. The darkness spawned before my right palm continued to vibrate irregularly, growing bigger, little by little.

I can’t let him … make it run wild!

I clenched my teeth. As I glared at Phibrizzo, the background trembled and grew hazy in my eyes.

THUMP!

The darkness expanded.

But this time, it reached into my soul.

I can’t hold it back.

The moment I thought it, my consciousness sank into the darkness.

And then …

I slowly opened my eyes.

The darkness, about the size of a clenched fist, remained stable at the edge of my outstretched right palm. Directly ahead of it stood Hellmaster Phibrizzo in the form of a boy, a bright smile stretching across his entire face.

“Huh. You controlled the spell—isn’t that something?”

Phibrizzo’s “voice” reverberated inside my head. He seemed neither panicked nor surprised.

“But don’t think that this means you’ve beaten me. I knew you might be able to control it. After all, you’ve got the Demon Blood Talismans. I had you obtain them for exactly this moment. ”

For a moment, an image of Sairaag City invaded my mind along with Phibrizzo’s “voice.”

“I still haven’t explained it to you, have I? Why I didn’t let you into this Palace of Hell earlier today.

“I know that I said I materialized the souls of those in the city and gave them physical form. But do you know what material I used? ME. Pretty much everything that exists in this city is my will in material form. In other words—this city and I are one and the same. ”

“Your point?” I said in reply.

“My point?”

A hint of hatred crept into Phibrizzo’s smile. Perhaps I’d spoiled his mood.

“Don’t you get it yet? You ate food this morning! Food that was made out of ME! Everything in this city is me, so now there’s a part of ME inside you!”

“And?” I asked.

“You still don’t get it?!” Phibrizzo’s “voice” yelled angrily. “Listen! It may not be possible to attack you from the outside while you control the Void—but with a portion of my existence already inside you, I can use that to destroy your body from the inside! I can burst your heart open with a mere thought! What do you think will happen if I kill you now and you lose control of the darkness?!”

Sigh.

I let out a loud laugh at Phibrizzo’s complete nonsense.

“Oh, so that doesn’t bother you?! Fine! I’ll kill you, just like you want! I’ll rip your body into pieces!”

But that moment, the power Phibrizzo pushed inside me just… broke apart.

“WHAT?!”

Phibrizzo left my head and shouted his surprise through the air. As I stood, silent, he stumbled back a few steps.

“H-how?!” he cried. “That should’ve burst your heart! You should be dead! Wh-why aren’t you … ?!”

I turned my eyes toward him with absolute indifference.

“Why did you REVIVE?!” he screamed.

Yes. He’d killed me. When Phibrizzo’s “power” had struck me, my heart had burst and I had died.

However …

“And what of it?” I asked.

My voice momentarily stunned Phibrizzo into silence. Then, finally, he shrieked in fear and fell to the floor.

It seemed he’d finally realized who I really was.

But using an insignificant attack on me without realizing my true identity … it was just so crude.

Phibrizzo was trembling. “It,” he blurted, “it c-can’t be!”

I slowly raised up the Void.

“I shall grant you Destruction, Hellmaster Phibrizzo,” I said. “You shall have precisely what you desire.” The golden-hued hair of the human Lina Inverse, who had become my center, swayed in the air.

I crushed the Void in my right hand with the greatest of ease. It simultaneously jumped across space and transferred into Phibrizzo’s body.

“GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!”

Hellmaster Phibrizzo screamed. At that same moment, I “saw” him leave an astral fragment within the Void as he fled into the astral plane.

Leaving his tail behind like a lizard was his specialty. But that, too, was absolutely futile.

Through the Void, I chased Phibrizzo with my own power and slipped into the astral plane. When I caught his astral form, he resisted fiercely.

If you want Destruction, I told him, then yield!

He only resisted more strongly in response. He was afraid of me. He was confused by me.

I extended a tentacle of Void toward the desperately struggling Phibrizzo.

Normally, I’d have simply run through a foe like Phibrizzo without difficulty. But I couldn’t call forth all the power I pleased, possibly because I possessed a human being.

But I wouldn’t let him escape. Whether or not he realized who I was, he had attacked me.

Destroy!

My consciousness burst open. Tentacles of Void, like roots stretching forth from the earth, ate away at the Palace of Hell and Sairaag City itself.

And then …

Hellmaster Phibrizzo’s agonized consciousness burst apart.

...

I opened my eyes to see lots of blue sky. I was flat on my back somewhere. After a long pause, I blinked my eyes a few times. Then I—

“Huh?!” I jerked up to a sitting position.

I’m … I’m… Lina Inverse.

I blurted another sound of surprise. Completely confused about the situation I was in, I jerked my head back and forth to see where I was.

I was at the bottom of some kind of deep crater. Gourry, Zel, Amelia, and Sylphiel were lying nearby, obviously unconscious.

The Palace of Hell was gone. Well, duh— when Phibrizzo had been destroyed, the building he’d created and the city of Sairaag itself had vanished. When it occurred to me to look, I also checked my hair—but it was nothing more than its natural chestnut color.

Then that means … I was finally starting to realize what had happened. When I ran my eyes over the area again, I suddenly noticed a dark silhouette standing right beside me. Don’t ask me why. Honestly, don’t. But I felt strangely relieved to see him there.

“Too bad things didn’t work out for you, Xelloss.” He’d probably jumped across space. Since I hadn’t seen him since he’d vanished from Dragon’s Peak, I checked his right arm; it was back in its proper place, as if Gaav had never sliced the thing off. But he was a Mazoku, alter all—who knows how much damage he could recover from.

He smiled at me like he always had.

“I’m not particularly disappointed,” he said simply. “After all —it’s not my failure, is it?”

I raised an eyebrow. “Jeez, Xelloss. You’re the type to ditch your allies with a great big smile on your face.” True to form, he answered with another smile. “That, of course, is what makes me a demon.”

“So why’re you here now? I doubt you’re hoping to avenge Phibrizzo.”

“Let’s not be silly. I was just wondering if you could explain what happened here.” He brushed a strand of hair behind his ear. “I don’t understand it whatsoever. It really didn’t look like you controlled the spell.”

I snorted. “You thought I’d just explain it to you?” Xelloss paused and tilted his head a bit. “Maybe,” he said at last. “I thought it was worth asking, at least.”

That made me laugh. Typical Xelloss.

“Funny story,” I said, rolling my shoulders, “He just mixed the two of us up.”

“Two?” Xelloss repeated.

“I’m the first to admit that it’s weird to have two people in one like that, but whatever. I didn’t win here—I just survived, really.”

Xelloss pursed his lips. “Really.”

“I wasn’t sure what ‘losing control of the spell’ really meant, and I’m pretty sure Phibrizzo didn’t, either. When I did lose control, my body was taken over by the Lord of Nightmares.”

Xelloss’ face twisted a little as I said “the Lord of Nightmares.” I ignored it and kept talking.

“Maybe my consciousness and it became one at that point, or maybe I was completely absorbed … I remember it pretty well, but I’m not sure about that part. Anyway.

“Phibrizzo attacked me because he didn’t realize I had become it, so it got angry and attacked back. Phibrizzo seemed really confused since he’d attacked it by mistake and it should’ve been an ally of demons. He fought it to the end.”

And before anyone says anything—I know, it’s complicated. But it seemed that Phibrizzo’s fatal mistake was considering it the ally of Mazoku. That explained his shock and resistance when he was attacked.

One could definitely say that demonic existence is close to that of the chaotic Void, but Phibrizzo had said it himself: demons who want destruction and those of us who want existence were originally split off from a single source. In other words, from it. Not just the king of the demons, but the king of everyone.

And hey, everyone knows the rule: when you hit someone, even by mistake, they usually hit you back.

“So, it took offense and crushed Phibrizzo. The stuff from that point on is probably beyond human understanding, but my best take on it is that it was a lot more powerful than Phibrizzo but it couldn’t increase its power freely because it had a human at its core. But it went after Phibrizzo anyway, all insulted and ignoring the limits on how much of its own power it could draw at once.”

Highlights for people too lazy to read:

“The stuff from that point on is probably beyond human understanding, but my best take on it is that it was a lot more powerful than Phibrizzo but it couldn’t increase its power freely because it had a human at its core. But it went after Phibrizzo anyway, all insulted and ignoring the limits on how much of its own power it could draw at once.”

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"Once upon a time, I’d heard that the Lord of Nightmares—that which had fallen from Heaven into the Sea of Chaos—was the Demon Lord of Demon Lords.

But that was wrong. I knew it was.

The Claire Bible told me that the Sea of Chaos stretched beneath the many worlds was, itself, none other than the Lord of Nightmares.

There’s a legend everyone’s probably heard about— the one that says the world is resting on top of a staff in the Sea of Chaos.

But that’s not the right way to put it. It should go more like this:

“The Sea of Chaos itself is the foundation of all existence."

LoN's true power/form would return the world to the sea of chaos/nothingness, btw. It was Phibrizzo's intention to summon LoN's true form to return the world to to the Sea of Chaos, but he didn't get what he intended obviously because LoN didn't follow along with his plans.

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LoN randomly explodes from nothing because Aurora hasn't decided on what she has killed LoN with yet.

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LoN randomly explodes from nothing because Aurora hasn't decided on what she has killed LoN with yet.

How does one make nothing itself become nothing? Wat? I don't know Aurora, but you lost me at "explodes".

Regardless of what has been said, I won't debate this since I don't know anything about Featherine Augustus Aurora.

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LoN randomly explodes from nothing because Aurora hasn't decided on what she has killed LoN with yet.

How does one one make nothing itself become nothing? Wat? I don't know Aurora, but you lost me at "explodes".

Like this.

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From what I understand, Feathers is such a total background character. I have no idea why she's the most used character in Umineko debates. It's as if people thinks she's carrying her entire verse to relevancy to most onlookers who don't know about the series when this isn't true. Not anymore true than thinking Lucifer carries DC or Beyonder carries Marvel. Or not like those verses where the vast majority of its characters are street level with only 1 character who is close to Universe level.

Anyway.

@theinquistor404:

I'm starting to slowly backing away from the Omnipotence wank these days, not that I think Omnipotence cannot exist in fiction but the word means different things at different context... anyway... (however, I am infinitely more opposed to Outerverse wank).... So I don't really care about that.

But from what I've seen, LON doesn't have much of a chance, judging by what I've seen of the cosmology of both verses.