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#1 Posted by CosmoGod (1091 posts) - - Show Bio
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fight to death

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#2 Posted by HATSoffMELO (2555 posts) - - Show Bio

savitar is a jobber god Faora Bae Pulverizes him

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#4 Posted by Thedarkking25 (1173 posts) - - Show Bio

@hatsoffmelo: lol since when lol he snapped a police officer in half like it was noting then proceeded to beat Barry's ass for fun

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#5 Posted by DioxinYo (350 posts) - - Show Bio

@hatsoffmelo: lol since when lol he snapped a police officer in half like it was noting then proceeded to beat Barry's ass for fun

dang a human police officer? he must be kryptonian level for sure !!!

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#6 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7786 posts) - - Show Bio

@dioxinyo said:

dang a human police officer? he must be kryptonian level for sure !!!

You don't get the point, he was trying to prove that Savitar is not a jobber.

Savitar wins.

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#7 Posted by tj849 (8569 posts) - - Show Bio

Savitar stomps

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#8 Posted by DioxinYo (350 posts) - - Show Bio
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#9 Posted by BladeOfFury (3290 posts) - - Show Bio

Savitar dies. He can't hurt her.

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#10 Posted by RBT (29213 posts) - - Show Bio

Savitar

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#12 Posted by RampageTheFirst (7786 posts) - - Show Bio

@dioxinyo said:

@rampagethefirst: and killing a human makes him not a jobber? :^)

Killing a human proves he is ruthless (especially a cop) and would do anything to claim victory; not a jobber.

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#13 Posted by DrPepperMan (6288 posts) - - Show Bio

You mean the savitar that was blitzing an effortless bullet timer? The only problem is hurting Faora, and I don't know enough to say he can.

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#14 Posted by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, this is a bad matchup. Savitar demolishes her effortlessly.

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#15 Posted by BladeOfFury (3290 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79:

How does he hurt her? She will one-shot him as soon as she tags him.

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#16 Posted by Mutant1230 (6788 posts) - - Show Bio

Faora wrecks

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@bladeoffury said:

@rr79:

How does he hurt her? She will one-shot him as soon as she tags him.

He is many multiple times faster than her. He can phase. He has a blade on his arm that has shown to be able to hurt highly durable things. He isn't going to have any trouble killing her.

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#18 Posted by BladeOfFury (3290 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:

@rr79:

How does he hurt her? She will one-shot him as soon as she tags him.

He is many multiple times faster than her. He can phase. He has a blade on his arm that has shown to be able to hurt highly durable things. He isn't going to have any trouble killing her.

What makes you say he can phase in that clunky suit? Or at all? And what are the most durable beings he pierced with those blades?

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#19 Edited by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury said:
@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:

@rr79:

How does he hurt her? She will one-shot him as soon as she tags him.

He is many multiple times faster than her. He can phase. He has a blade on his arm that has shown to be able to hurt highly durable things. He isn't going to have any trouble killing her.

What makes you say he can phase in that clunky suit? Or at all? And what are the most durable beings he pierced with those blades?

The fact that he has done it? You do realize who Savitar is right? Then there is again the fact that he is many multiple times faster than her. Flash was around mach 20 at the end of season 2 and he could not keep up with Savitar until the end of season 3. Faora hasn't even shown mach 3 speeds.

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#20 Posted by TheKinfing (11855 posts) - - Show Bio

Faora or stalemate.

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#21 Edited by BladeOfFury (3290 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:
@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:

@rr79:

How does he hurt her? She will one-shot him as soon as she tags him.

He is many multiple times faster than her. He can phase. He has a blade on his arm that has shown to be able to hurt highly durable things. He isn't going to have any trouble killing her.

What makes you say he can phase in that clunky suit? Or at all? And what are the most durable beings he pierced with those blades?

The fact that he has done it? You do realize who Savitar is right? Then there is again the fact that he is many multiple times faster than her. Flash was around mach 20 at the end of season 3 and he could not keep up with Savitar until the end of season 4. Faora hasn't even shown mach 3 speeds.

What is to say that Barry can phase with giant armor on? Pizza-face Barry had to open the suit to get out, why didn't he just phase?

Flash wasn't Mach 20 at the end of S2, he was Mach 13.2.

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#22 Edited by Aatroxxx (1593 posts) - - Show Bio

Faora eventually. Can't see him putting her down.

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#23 Posted by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:
@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:

@rr79:

How does he hurt her? She will one-shot him as soon as she tags him.

He is many multiple times faster than her. He can phase. He has a blade on his arm that has shown to be able to hurt highly durable things. He isn't going to have any trouble killing her.

What makes you say he can phase in that clunky suit? Or at all? And what are the most durable beings he pierced with those blades?

The fact that he has done it? You do realize who Savitar is right? Then there is again the fact that he is many multiple times faster than her. Flash was around mach 20 at the end of season 3 and he could not keep up with Savitar until the end of season 4. Faora hasn't even shown mach 3 speeds.

What is to say that Barry can phase with giant armor on? Pizza-face Barry had to open the suit to get out, why didn't he just phase?

Flash wasn't Mach 20 at the end of S3, he was Mach 14 at most. Savitar wasn't in S4.

You are really reaching. He didn't have to open the suit to get out, Barry showed that when he phased through the suit and pushed Savitar out. He did it simply as an intimidation thing.

And yeah, I mixed up the season numbers, but I already fixed that before you posted. The simple fact is, he is many multiple times faster than Faora, she wouldn't even be able to see him, much less touch him. He can phase as is already proven, he has no problem killing. He can literally run circles around her without her doing a thing to him. The only way she could ever win is if he just stood there and let her hit him multiple times.

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#24 Edited by BladeOfFury (3290 posts) - - Show Bio
@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:
@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:
@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:

@rr79:

How does he hurt her? She will one-shot him as soon as she tags him.

He is many multiple times faster than her. He can phase. He has a blade on his arm that has shown to be able to hurt highly durable things. He isn't going to have any trouble killing her.

What makes you say he can phase in that clunky suit? Or at all? And what are the most durable beings he pierced with those blades?

The fact that he has done it? You do realize who Savitar is right? Then there is again the fact that he is many multiple times faster than her. Flash was around mach 20 at the end of season 3 and he could not keep up with Savitar until the end of season 4. Faora hasn't even shown mach 3 speeds.

What is to say that Barry can phase with giant armor on? Pizza-face Barry had to open the suit to get out, why didn't he just phase?

Flash wasn't Mach 20 at the end of S3, he was Mach 14 at most. Savitar wasn't in S4.

You are really reaching. He didn't have to open the suit to get out, Barry showed that when he phased through the suit and pushed Savitar out. He did it simply as an intimidation thing.

And yeah, I mixed up the season numbers, but I already fixed that before you posted. The simple fact is, he is many multiple times faster than Faora, she wouldn't even be able to see him, much less touch him. He can phase as is already proven, he has no problem killing. He can literally run circles around her without her doing a thing to him. The only way she could ever win is if he just stood there and let her hit him multiple times.

Alright, what makes you say that any CW speedster can hurt someone as durable as Faora through phasing? It becomes an NLF when you think about it.

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#25 Edited by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury said:
@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:
@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:
@rr79 said:
@bladeoffury said:

@rr79:

How does he hurt her? She will one-shot him as soon as she tags him.

He is many multiple times faster than her. He can phase. He has a blade on his arm that has shown to be able to hurt highly durable things. He isn't going to have any trouble killing her.

What makes you say he can phase in that clunky suit? Or at all? And what are the most durable beings he pierced with those blades?

The fact that he has done it? You do realize who Savitar is right? Then there is again the fact that he is many multiple times faster than her. Flash was around mach 20 at the end of season 3 and he could not keep up with Savitar until the end of season 4. Faora hasn't even shown mach 3 speeds.

What is to say that Barry can phase with giant armor on? Pizza-face Barry had to open the suit to get out, why didn't he just phase?

Flash wasn't Mach 20 at the end of S3, he was Mach 14 at most. Savitar wasn't in S4.

You are really reaching. He didn't have to open the suit to get out, Barry showed that when he phased through the suit and pushed Savitar out. He did it simply as an intimidation thing.

And yeah, I mixed up the season numbers, but I already fixed that before you posted. The simple fact is, he is many multiple times faster than Faora, she wouldn't even be able to see him, much less touch him. He can phase as is already proven, he has no problem killing. He can literally run circles around her without her doing a thing to him. The only way she could ever win is if he just stood there and let her hit him multiple times.

Alright, what makes you say that any CW speedster can hurt someone as durable as Faora through phasing? It becomes an NLF when you think about it.

Kryptonian's still need their internal organs. They are not human, but stick your hand through their heart, it's going to kill them. I'm not sure you know what a NLF is.

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#26 Posted by BladeOfFury (3290 posts) - - Show Bio
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Kryptonian's still need their internal organs. They are not human, but stick your hand through their heart, it's going to kill them. I'm not sure you know what a NLF is.

In order to phase, speedsters make their hand intangible by vibrating. As soon as they stop vibrating, they solidify their hand inside their target. If that target's molecules are more dense than their hand, it's not the target's matter that is going to be displaced, but their hand. Faora is more durable than pizza-face's hand.

An NLF is a no limits fallacy. It is the false assumption that a special attack (or defense) that works on a weaker character (or attack) will work on all characters who aren't in possession of resistance to that type of attack, no matter how powerful. A good way to identify NLFs would be to relate it to a much more powerful character. For instance:

  • DCEU Doomsday is said to grow more powerful the more he gets hit. Does that mean that he will absorb an attack from PR Beyonder? NLF.
  • Amazo can copy anyone's powers just by looking at them. Does that mean that he can copy the Living Tribunal? NLF.
  • MCU Yellow-jacket's prototype gun can turn anyone into a puddle of goo. Does that mean that he can do that to a celestial? NLF.

CW speedsters can phase anyone's organs out, no matter how durable than someone is. Does that mean that they can do it to 616 Juggernaut? Hulk? Thor? Thanos?

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@rr79 said:

Kryptonian's still need their internal organs. They are not human, but stick your hand through their heart, it's going to kill them. I'm not sure you know what a NLF is.

In order to phase, speedsters make their hand intangible by vibrating. As soon as they stop vibrating, they solidify their hand inside their target. If that target's molecules are more dense than their hand, it's not the target's matter that is going to be displaced, but their hand. Faora is more durable than pizza-face's hand.

An NLF is a no limits fallacy. It is the false assumption that a special attack (or defense) that works on a weaker character (or attack) will work on all characters who aren't in possession of resistance to that type of attack, no matter how powerful. A good way to identify NLFs would be to relate it to a much more powerful character. For instance:

  • DCEU Doomsday is said to grow more powerful the more he gets hit. Does that mean that he will absorb an attack from PR Beyonder? NLF.
  • Amazo can copy anyone's powers just by looking at them. Does that mean that he can copy the Living Tribunal? NLF.
  • MCU Yellow-jacket's prototype gun can turn anyone into a puddle of goo. Does that mean that he can do that to a celestial? NLF.

CW speedsters can phase anyone's organs out, no matter how durable than someone is. Does that mean that they can do it to 616 Juggernaut? Hulk? Thor? Thanos?

You seem to be mistaking durability for density. Just because a person is more durable does NOT mean they are more dense. If a character has shown resistance to phasing or shown they are more dense or can increase their density, then Flash or Savitar would have trouble phasing through them. Fact is, they have shown no problem phasing through things with high durability before. Hell, Flash even phased through CW Supergirl before. You really have no argument.

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#28 Posted by RBT (29213 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury:

In order to phase, speedsters make their hand intangible by vibrating. As soon as they stop vibrating, they solidify their hand inside their target. If that target's molecules are more dense than their hand, it's not the target's matter that is going to be displaced, but their hand. Faora is more durable than pizza-face's hand.

If that's how it worked Barry would never have been able to damage Savitar's suit, which obviously, was much more durable than him.

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#29 Edited by Thedarkking25 (1173 posts) - - Show Bio

Couldn't super sonic punches hurt her

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#30 Posted by BladeOfFury (3290 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79 said:

You seem to be mistaking durability for density. Just because a person is more durable does NOT mean they are more dense. If a character has shown resistance to phasing or shown they are more dense or can increase their density, then Flash or Savitar would have trouble phasing through them. Fact is, they have shown no problem phasing through things with high durability before. Hell, Flash even phased through CW Supergirl before. You really have no argument.

Speedsters can definitely phase through incredibly durable individuals, but they cannot hurt them. Flash phased through Supergirl, but that doesn't mean that he can phase her heart out, in which case he has to solidify his hand.

And the durability not being equal to density argument doesn't make sense. Iron is more durable than wood because it's more dense, its atoms are closer together.

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If that's how it worked Barry would never have been able to damage Savitar's suit, which obviously, was much more durable than him.

Barry didn't break the suit through phasing. He phased pizza-face out of there (which didn't make sense either), but he destroyed the suit by vibrating from the inside. He didn't go intangible to destroy it.

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#31 Posted by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79 said:

You seem to be mistaking durability for density. Just because a person is more durable does NOT mean they are more dense. If a character has shown resistance to phasing or shown they are more dense or can increase their density, then Flash or Savitar would have trouble phasing through them. Fact is, they have shown no problem phasing through things with high durability before. Hell, Flash even phased through CW Supergirl before. You really have no argument.

Speedsters can definitely phase through incredibly durable individuals, but they cannot hurt them. Flash phased through Supergirl, but that doesn't mean that he can phase her heart out, in which case he has to solidify his hand.

He did not phase her heart out because he was not trying to. He was only trying to make her destroy the device that was mentally controlling her and the others. The fact is, you claimed he couldn't phase through Kryptonian's when he already has. You have no argument. There is also Reverse Flash's statement about already beating Superman.

And the durability not being equal to density argument doesn't make sense. Iron is more durable than wood because it's more dense, its atoms are closer together.

It absolutely makes sense, there are literally hundreds of different metals and minerals that have higher durability and lower density. Perhaps you should do your homework before making that statement.

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#32 Posted by BladeOfFury (3290 posts) - - Show Bio

@rr79:

He did not phase her heart out because he was not trying to. He was only trying to make her destroy the device that was mentally controlling her and the others. The fact is, you claimed he couldn't phase through Kryptonian's when he already has. You have no argument. There is also Reverse Flash's statement about already beating Superman.

I never said he can't phase through Kryptonians. I said he can't hurt Kryptonians through phasing.

As for Eobard's statement, he said "he's fast, I'm faster," not "I beat him."

It absolutely makes sense, there are literally hundreds of different metals and minerals that have higher durability and lower density. Perhaps you should do your homework before making that statement.

But how big can the difference be? If Faora is insanely durable, her density can't be human level. It has to be in the same league.

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#33 Posted by RBT (29213 posts) - - Show Bio

@bladeoffury:

Barry didn't break the suit through phasing. He phased pizza-face out of there (which didn't make sense either), but he destroyed the suit by vibrating from the inside. He didn't go intangible to destroy it.

I wasn't talking about that.

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#34 Posted by deactivated-5a6e225c194f8 (237 posts) - - Show Bio

Savitar can't hurt her

Another win for the fast and furious Kryptonian lol

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#35 Edited by RR79 (6761 posts) - - Show Bio

@teenagedarkseid said:

Savitar can't hurt her

Another win for the fast and furious Kryptonian lol

Sure he can't. I tell you, you show people the truth and no matter what you show they ignore it and just say what they want.

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@rr79:

He did not phase her heart out because he was not trying to. He was only trying to make her destroy the device that was mentally controlling her and the others. The fact is, you claimed he couldn't phase through Kryptonian's when he already has. You have no argument. There is also Reverse Flash's statement about already beating Superman.

I never said he can't phase through Kryptonians. I said he can't hurt Kryptonians through phasing.

As for Eobard's statement, he said "he's fast, I'm faster," not "I beat him."

Except your statement makes no sense. You are, again, confusing durability with density. Just because something has a high durability doesn't mean it has a high density and vice versa. Simple fact is that he has shown the ability to phase through Kryptonians, he has shown the ability to phase through and destroy things with high durability. There is literally no argument to be made for him not being able to phase through and hurt Faora.

It absolutely makes sense, there are literally hundreds of different metals and minerals that have higher durability and lower density. Perhaps you should do your homework before making that statement.

But how big can the difference be? If Faora is insanely durable, her density can't be human level. It has to be in the same league.

This is simply not true. Aluminum is one of the least dense metals yet it is used in construction all the time because it is durable. Titanium is fairly low density as well, and yet it is highly durable. There is also magnesium alloys that have a very low density with a very high durability. Even Asphalt can be used to show this, it has a lower density than the average human body does. The simple fact is, durability does not equate to density.

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#36 Posted by Laurus (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

He blitzes her.

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#37 Posted by BobLeGod (1461 posts) - - Show Bio

This is hard. I honestly think it's a possibility that she can tag him but if she can't then what? Yeah he can phase through her but what is that really going to do? Would it not be hard to actually rip the heart of a Kryptonian? I'm pretty sure their internals would be like trying to rip metal a metal door off its hinges.

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#39 Posted by PayneInTheAss (11914 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Savitar

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#40 Posted by DanielDaRipper (5622 posts) - - Show Bio

Savitar.

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#44 Posted by DragonBornTookAnArrowToTheKnee789 (407 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is Savitar in the speedforce prison aka the one we see up until episode 15 of Season 3 then he wins. No one could see him, he was far faster then the flash and moved at a blur to him during debut.

He could travel in and out of the speedforce across Central City/Likely where he pleased, bent a man in half and was far beyond Barry, Jay and Wally at the time. He also did throw Barry around like he was nothing during Episode 9.

However if this is post Speedforce prison then Faora could take it. He can be seen, isn't as fast as he was and overall seemed weaker then before. While he's still faster then Barry and stronger it'd likely be more difficult to beat her.

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#45 Posted by Thedarkking25 (1173 posts) - - Show Bio