Faora (DCEU) VS Savitar (CW)

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fight to death

savitar is a jobber god Faora Bae Pulverizes him

@hatsoffmelo: lol since when lol he snapped a police officer in half like it was noting then proceeded to beat Barry's ass for fun

dang a human police officer? he must be kryptonian level for sure !!!

You don't get the point, he was trying to prove that Savitar is not a jobber.

Savitar wins.

Savitar stomps

@rampagethefirst: and killing a human makes him not a jobber? :^)

Savitar dies. He can't hurt her.

Savitar

Killing a human proves he is ruthless (especially a cop) and would do anything to claim victory; not a jobber.

You mean the savitar that was blitzing an effortless bullet timer? The only problem is hurting Faora, and I don't know enough to say he can.

Yeah, this is a bad matchup. Savitar demolishes her effortlessly.

@rr79:

How does he hurt her? She will one-shot him as soon as she tags him.

Faora wrecks

He is many multiple times faster than her. He can phase. He has a blade on his arm that has shown to be able to hurt highly durable things. He isn't going to have any trouble killing her.

What makes you say he can phase in that clunky suit? Or at all? And what are the most durable beings he pierced with those blades?

The fact that he has done it? You do realize who Savitar is right? Then there is again the fact that he is many multiple times faster than her. Flash was around mach 20 at the end of season 2 and he could not keep up with Savitar until the end of season 3. Faora hasn't even shown mach 3 speeds.

Faora or stalemate.

What is to say that Barry can phase with giant armor on? Pizza-face Barry had to open the suit to get out, why didn't he just phase?

Flash wasn't Mach 20 at the end of S2, he was Mach 13.2.

Faora eventually. Can't see him putting her down.

You are really reaching. He didn't have to open the suit to get out, Barry showed that when he phased through the suit and pushed Savitar out. He did it simply as an intimidation thing.

And yeah, I mixed up the season numbers, but I already fixed that before you posted. The simple fact is, he is many multiple times faster than Faora, she wouldn't even be able to see him, much less touch him. He can phase as is already proven, he has no problem killing. He can literally run circles around her without her doing a thing to him. The only way she could ever win is if he just stood there and let her hit him multiple times.

Alright, what makes you say that any CW speedster can hurt someone as durable as Faora through phasing? It becomes an NLF when you think about it.

Kryptonian's still need their internal organs. They are not human, but stick your hand through their heart, it's going to kill them. I'm not sure you know what a NLF is.

In order to phase, speedsters make their hand intangible by vibrating. As soon as they stop vibrating, they solidify their hand inside their target. If that target's molecules are more dense than their hand, it's not the target's matter that is going to be displaced, but their hand. Faora is more durable than pizza-face's hand.

An NLF is a no limits fallacy. It is the false assumption that a special attack (or defense) that works on a weaker character (or attack) will work on all characters who aren't in possession of resistance to that type of attack, no matter how powerful. A good way to identify NLFs would be to relate it to a much more powerful character. For instance:

• DCEU Doomsday is said to grow more powerful the more he gets hit. Does that mean that he will absorb an attack from PR Beyonder? NLF.
• Amazo can copy anyone's powers just by looking at them. Does that mean that he can copy the Living Tribunal? NLF.
• MCU Yellow-jacket's prototype gun can turn anyone into a puddle of goo. Does that mean that he can do that to a celestial? NLF.

CW speedsters can phase anyone's organs out, no matter how durable than someone is. Does that mean that they can do it to 616 Juggernaut? Hulk? Thor? Thanos?

You seem to be mistaking durability for density. Just because a person is more durable does NOT mean they are more dense. If a character has shown resistance to phasing or shown they are more dense or can increase their density, then Flash or Savitar would have trouble phasing through them. Fact is, they have shown no problem phasing through things with high durability before. Hell, Flash even phased through CW Supergirl before. You really have no argument.

@bladeoffury:

In order to phase, speedsters make their hand intangible by vibrating. As soon as they stop vibrating, they solidify their hand inside their target. If that target's molecules are more dense than their hand, it's not the target's matter that is going to be displaced, but their hand. Faora is more durable than pizza-face's hand.

If that's how it worked Barry would never have been able to damage Savitar's suit, which obviously, was much more durable than him.

Couldn't super sonic punches hurt her

Speedsters can definitely phase through incredibly durable individuals, but they cannot hurt them. Flash phased through Supergirl, but that doesn't mean that he can phase her heart out, in which case he has to solidify his hand.

And the durability not being equal to density argument doesn't make sense. Iron is more durable than wood because it's more dense, its atoms are closer together.

Barry didn't break the suit through phasing. He phased pizza-face out of there (which didn't make sense either), but he destroyed the suit by vibrating from the inside. He didn't go intangible to destroy it.

@rr79:

He did not phase her heart out because he was not trying to. He was only trying to make her destroy the device that was mentally controlling her and the others. The fact is, you claimed he couldn't phase through Kryptonian's when he already has. You have no argument. There is also Reverse Flash's statement about already beating Superman.

I never said he can't phase through Kryptonians. I said he can't hurt Kryptonians through phasing.

As for Eobard's statement, he said "he's fast, I'm faster," not "I beat him."

It absolutely makes sense, there are literally hundreds of different metals and minerals that have higher durability and lower density. Perhaps you should do your homework before making that statement.

But how big can the difference be? If Faora is insanely durable, her density can't be human level. It has to be in the same league.

@bladeoffury:

Barry didn't break the suit through phasing. He phased pizza-face out of there (which didn't make sense either), but he destroyed the suit by vibrating from the inside. He didn't go intangible to destroy it.

I wasn't talking about that.

Savitar can't hurt her

Another win for the fast and furious Kryptonian lol

Sure he can't. I tell you, you show people the truth and no matter what you show they ignore it and just say what they want.

He blitzes her.

This is hard. I honestly think it's a possibility that she can tag him but if she can't then what? Yeah he can phase through her but what is that really going to do? Would it not be hard to actually rip the heart of a Kryptonian? I'm pretty sure their internals would be like trying to rip metal a metal door off its hinges.

Probably Savitar

Savitar.

If this is Savitar in the speedforce prison aka the one we see up until episode 15 of Season 3 then he wins. No one could see him, he was far faster then the flash and moved at a blur to him during debut.

He could travel in and out of the speedforce across Central City/Likely where he pleased, bent a man in half and was far beyond Barry, Jay and Wally at the time. He also did throw Barry around like he was nothing during Episode 9.

However if this is post Speedforce prison then Faora could take it. He can be seen, isn't as fast as he was and overall seemed weaker then before. While he's still faster then Barry and stronger it'd likely be more difficult to beat her.

@dragonborntookanarrowtotheknee: even out of the speed force he still out classes her in speed she wouldn't be able to touch him

what now?

It seems like Dceu kryptonians can adapt to any speed so faora smokes him once she adapts like zod.

@shafamalam: Faora didn't adapt to Barry's speed,but she was almost on the same wave. But i still don't know how fast was Barry on combat speed. I doubt that he fights at lightspeed, but in Syberia he was noobie and akready could see AK gunfire bullets in slow mo(that is 900m/s).When he fought vs Faora he already was much faster

@krishnyak: everything was statued in the background tho (standard kryptonians couldn’t perceive them who are like ww speed). I think all higher level kryptonians can just adapt to speed.

@shafamalam: may be she did not have time to be on flash level.