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Who wins in an all out battle and this is not a preptime battle.
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#2  Edited By spawnfanboy

is this wwh?

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#3  Edited By Wario88

Ya. :D

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#4  Edited By claws

hulk wins i guess

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#5  Edited By geometry

I'm gonna have to agree.

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#6  Edited By Triumphant

Hulk

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#7  Edited By danhimself

invisible woman takes him out on her own

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#8  Edited By Wario88
danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"

LOL Ya right. :D
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#9  Edited By claws

i change my vote to ff because of invisible woman can beat hulk

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#10  Edited By Primarch
danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"
Then why didn't she? She got beat up like everyone else did. Hulk gets this, hands down. We've been told its World War Hulk, total victory to Hulk.
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#11  Edited By Power NeXus
danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"

If she had that kind of power, why didn't she do it in the WWH storyline?
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Power NeXus said:
"danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"
If she had that kind of power, why didn't she do it in the WWH storyline?"
Because writers, had to make things interesting. Not much of drama if Sue, goes all out and destoys Hulk's brain in an instant.
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#13  Edited By Erik
danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"

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Fantasma Ghost said:
"Power NeXus said:
"danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"
If she had that kind of power, why didn't she do it in the WWH storyline?"
Because writers, had to make things interesting. Not much of drama if Sue, goes all out and destoys Hulk's brain in an instant."
This is assuming her fields can break his brain. We saw Ant-Man travel inside Hulk and fail to be able to hurt him, have we seen anything to suggest Sue's force fields could have destroyed his brain.

Also, killing the Hulk isn't Sue's style, moral limits are just as important as power capabilities, its all part of the character.
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Fantasma Ghost said:
"Power NeXus said:
"danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"
If she had that kind of power, why didn't she do it in the WWH storyline?"
Because writers, had to make things interesting. Not much of drama if Sue, goes all out and destoys Hulk's brain in an instant."
Or puts force fields in his heart or his lungs. There are way too many ways she can kill him. She can turn his retinas invisible so he cannot see. The list goes on and on. 
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#16  Edited By Fantasma Ghost
Primarch said:
"Fantasma Ghost said:
"Power NeXus said:
"danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"
If she had that kind of power, why didn't she do it in the WWH storyline?"
Because writers, had to make things interesting. Not much of drama if Sue, goes all out and destoys Hulk's brain in an instant."
This is assuming her fields can break his brain. We saw Ant-Man travel inside Hulk and fail to be able to hurt him, have we seen anything to suggest Sue's force fields could have destroyed his brain.Also, killing the Hulk isn't Sue's style, moral limits are just as important as power capabilities, its all part of the character."
Well in battles here, we use the characters to their full potential,  and I was just making a point, that Sue can easily defeat Hulk with the versatility of her powers. What the hell is there going to be in Hulk's brain that can stop Force field bubble from exploding within it??? If you don't like the graphic example, she can use BFR just as easily.
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erik said:
"Fantasma Ghost said:
"Power NeXus said:
"danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"
If she had that kind of power, why didn't she do it in the WWH storyline?"
Because writers, had to make things interesting. Not much of drama if Sue, goes all out and destoys Hulk's brain in an instant."
Or puts force fields in his heart or his lungs. There are way too many ways she can kill him. She can turn his retinas invisible so he cannot see. The list goes on and on. 
"
And Hulk can cave in her head with a single finger. And since Hulk also gets faster and enhanced reflexes as his rage rises, as well as the more well known strength, he can more then likely get her before she can get him. And this is a Hulk that was fast enough to keep up with Sentry.
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#18  Edited By Power NeXus
Primarch said:
"... moral limits are just as important as power capabilities...

Very valid point.
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#19  Edited By Erik
Primarch said:
"erik said:
"Fantasma Ghost said:
"Power NeXus said:
"danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"
If she had that kind of power, why didn't she do it in the WWH storyline?"
Because writers, had to make things interesting. Not much of drama if Sue, goes all out and destoys Hulk's brain in an instant."
Or puts force fields in his heart or his lungs. There are way too many ways she can kill him. She can turn his retinas invisible so he cannot see. The list goes on and on. 
"
And Hulk can cave in her head with a single finger. And since Hulk also gets faster and enhanced reflexes as his rage rises, as well as the more well known strength, he can more then likely get her before she can get him. And this is a Hulk that was fast enough to keep up with Sentry."
Too bad he is not going to touch her. 
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#20  Edited By Fantasma Ghost
Primarch said:
"erik said:
"Fantasma Ghost said:
"Power NeXus said:
"danhimself said:
"invisible woman takes him out on her own"
If she had that kind of power, why didn't she do it in the WWH storyline?"
Because writers, had to make things interesting. Not much of drama if Sue, goes all out and destoys Hulk's brain in an instant."
Or puts force fields in his heart or his lungs. There are way too many ways she can kill him. She can turn his retinas invisible so he cannot see. The list goes on and on. 
"
And Hulk can cave in her head with a single finger. And since Hulk also gets faster and enhanced reflexes as his rage rises, as well as the more well known strength, he can more then likely get her before she can get him. And this is a Hulk that was fast enough to keep up with Sentry."
He won't even have the time to get in any kind of a rage, when Sue gets through with with him in 5 seconds.
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Well in battles here, we use the characters to their full potential,  and I was just making a point, that Sue can easily defeat Hulk with the versatility of her powers. What the hell is there going to be in Hulk's brain that can stop Force field bubble from exploding within it??? If you don't like the graphic example, she can use BFR just as easily."
You missed my point, Hulk is as durable on the inside as he is on the outside, he's made of tougher stuff. We see this when Ant-Man travels inside the Hulk and tried to hurt him, and failed miserable. There's nothing to suggest that his brain is exempt from this enhanced durability, at least to some degree.

Hulk was at a point where he was able to survive nuclear weapons hitting him, what's there to suggest Sue would have been able to hurt his brain?
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#22  Edited By Erik

Even assuming he gets to start right next to her, a brain bubble will kill him instantly. But being a little more realistic, he will start at a reasonable distance away from her. Do you honestly think she will sit there and say, "Come over here and crush my all too frail human frame big boy"? She is going to go invisible right away, possibly make him blind, and at the very least knock him unconscious by choking him out.

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Fantasma Ghost said
He won't even have the time to get in any kind of a rage, when Sue gets through with with him in 5 seconds."
Its already been stated its World War Hulk, he's full of rage, more then enough to make him too fast for Sue to respond, even 5 seconds wouldn't be enough time.
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#24  Edited By Erik

Someone likes to exaggerate Hulk's speed. 

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#25  Edited By Fantasma Ghost
erik said:
"Someone likes to exaggerate Hulk's speed. "

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World War Hulk.

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#27  Edited By Erik

Fantastic Four. Easy. 

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erik said:
"Someone likes to exaggerate Hulk's speed. "
Well not really, he kept up with the Sentry, who's one of the fastest people on the planet. Sue is a meta-human, with human level ability to perceive motion, no super speed and no enhanced reflexes. WWHulk overcame everything in F4, with Sue present were able to throw at him. The fact is, Sue wasn't able to stop him. And if someone wants to bring in the argument "because the writers needed to build drama" then your involving the writers, who can quite basically alter the characters to suit, if the writers see fit Spider-Man will give the Living Tribunal a beat down.

But on totally in universe setting, this fight did happen, and Hulk won.
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#29  Edited By Erik

Sue is not a meta. That is DC vernacular. Hulk does not have super speed of any kind. Sentry was not fighting at super speed otherwise WWHulk would never have laid a hand on Sentry. Sue was not able to stop him because of PIS. She never tried to use her abilities in a dangerous way. She played defense the whole time. Show me a single scan of Hulk moving at super speed.

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#30  Edited By Primarch
erik said:
"Sue is not a meta. That is DC vernacular. Hulk does not have super speed of any kind. Sentry was not fighting at super speed otherwise WWHulk would never have laid a hand on Sentry. Sue was not able to stop him because of PIS. She never tried to use her abilities in a dangerous way. She played defense the whole time. Show me a single scan of Hulk moving at super speed."
Meta means beyond, and Sue is beyond human. The term has been used in Marvel. Your argument is dependant that any character capable of using super speed, be it Sentry or Thor or any of them have never used it against the Hulk. Sentry was trying to defeat Hulk, he was unleashing his power, he was letting go. To say he wasn't using his speed in a fight that was shaping the future of the planet is absurd. There is nothing to suggest Sentry wasn't using his speed, and Hulk being able to keep up with him backs up my argument that he does have enhanced reflexes/speed.
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#31  Edited By Erik
  • I know what meta means. Show me a reference of it being used in Marvel. More specifically, show me a reference or scan of Sue being called a meta. 
  • I am still waiting for a super speed scan or reference of the Hulk.
  • Sentry was letting go, not going all out. There is a difference.

Your claims are not being backed up by anything other than assumptions. No facts, no proof, no argument. Fantastic Four wins by a landslide. 
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#32  Edited By Fantasma Ghost
Primarch said:
"erik said:
"Sue is not a meta. That is DC vernacular. Hulk does not have super speed of any kind. Sentry was not fighting at super speed otherwise WWHulk would never have laid a hand on Sentry. Sue was not able to stop him because of PIS. She never tried to use her abilities in a dangerous way. She played defense the whole time. Show me a single scan of Hulk moving at super speed."
Meta means beyond, and Sue is beyond human. The term has been used in Marvel. Your argument is dependant that any character capable of using super speed, be it Sentry or Thor or any of them have never used it against the Hulk. Sentry was trying to defeat Hulk, he was unleashing his power, he was letting go. To say he wasn't using his speed in a fight that was shaping the future of the planet is absurd. There is nothing to suggest Sentry wasn't using his speed, and Hulk being able to keep up with him backs up my argument that he does have enhanced reflexes/speed. "
The only thing absurd is this statement, Hulk wasn't using superspeed, neither was Sentry. When have you seen Hulk move so fast no one can see him???  Hulk is An enormous green giant, for God Sakes. Hulk doesn't move faster than thought, and that is all Sue needs, if you refuse to accept that, then you have a bias.
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#33  Edited By Triumphant

I switch my vote to FF4

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erik said:
"Sue is not a meta. That is DC vernacular. Hulk does not have super speed of any kind. Sentry was not fighting at super speed otherwise WWHulk would never have laid a hand on Sentry. Sue was not able to stop him because of PIS. She never tried to use her abilities in a dangerous way. She played defense the whole time. Show me a single scan of Hulk moving at super speed."
She's a "mutate", which is anyone that mutates because of some external force.
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#35  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000

ok the amount of time it would take for a bubble to reach his hearth and stop it is much faster then that of if he got to her, hulk is strong and has a great healing factor but if you stop his heart or put a bubble in his brain he will go down, also sue is smart so like erik said she may blind him and turn invis to evade then just knock him out, or she could put a bubble on his muscels and cut off air to them making him lose his power fast.

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#36  Edited By czarny_samael666

Hmmmm... If Johny can use Supernova than FF have some chances.

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#37  Edited By Nightwingiscool

FF invisible woman can make him explode by expanding a force field inside him. Besides that Ben Johnny and reed can still take him

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#38  Edited By Dredeuced

She'd attempt to pop his head with a brain bubble and realize her forcefields aren't strong enough to push out Hulk's tissue. He'd feel some pressure in his head and keep going.. There's nothing to suggest the brain bubble idea would actually work.

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#39  Edited By PowerHerc

WWHulk wins unless Reed has some awesome invention up his sleeve.

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#40  Edited By Dredeuced

I mean, even assume Sue could pop his head, does that really kill hulk? Hasn't he regenerated from having his brain melted by Man thing before?

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#41  Edited By Floopay

Going all out?

Sue does one of the following:

Cuts off the air supply to Hulk's brain, and he falls unconscious.

Puts an air bubble in his circulatory system and makes him collapse.

Cuts off his air supply by creating a powerful force field he can't escape out of, and waits for him to run out of air.

Creates a bubble in his skull and expands it until he falls unconscious.

While she's doing this the other's slow Hulk down until he's unconscious.

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@Floopay said:

Going all out?

Sue does one of the following:

Cuts off the air supply to Hulk's brain, and he falls unconscious.

Puts an air bubble in his circulatory system and makes him collapse.

Cuts off his air supply by creating a powerful force field he can't escape out of, and waits for him to run out of air.

Creates a bubble in his skull and expands it until he falls unconscious.

While she's doing this the other's slow Hulk down until he's unconscious.

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Are you kidding me? Hulk literally broke her forcefields around Reed so viciously that she practically fainted in WWH. None of those would work. He's clearly shown to be far more powerful than her bubbles. Do Sue's bubbles create air inside of them, or would it just be a vacuum that gets filled back up with blood when she lets it go? Would a respiratory bubble even make Hulk pass out? I think you're really amping up Hulk's fragility and how easy it is to make him lose consciousness.

I know she's done it before in much, much older FF stories when Hulk was just a bumbling bruiser, but he's kind of evolved as a character now and is much harder to put down. WWH and further on is a much different beast from the old moron who the foursome used to beat around for giggles.

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#43  Edited By Floopay

@Dredeuced said:

@Floopay said:

Going all out?

Sue does one of the following:

Cuts off the air supply to Hulk's brain, and he falls unconscious.

Puts an air bubble in his circulatory system and makes him collapse.

Cuts off his air supply by creating a powerful force field he can't escape out of, and waits for him to run out of air.

Creates a bubble in his skull and expands it until he falls unconscious.

While she's doing this the other's slow Hulk down until he's unconscious.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Are you kidding me? Hulk literally broke her forcefields around Reed so viciously that she passed out in WWH. None of those would work. He's clearly shown to be far more powerful than her bubbles.

It says going all out. She wasn't going all out, she was trying to reason with him, and while she was trying to reason with him he smashed through her bubbles, which is a pretty low showing for Sue Storm tbh.

In Fear Itself, Sue showed she could drown someone (Angrir, which is Thing as one of the Worthy) by placing a bubble down their throat. Was able to restrain him too. But of course, while reasoning with him, he struck her down.

Pretty easily protects the Fantastic Four and Nova against Terrax's attacks:

Going all out, Sue has this. Moral on, she might try to reason with him again, which is sort of what gets her into trouble most of the time.

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FF4 CAN win. But in character they probably won't. Well to be more specific, Sue can win lol. Expanding bubble in his brain ftw.

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#45  Edited By Dredeuced

Anytime Hulk passes out from not being able to breathe is a low showing. I don't think she can hurt Hulk enough through his regeneration or stop him from breaking her shields if we're talking about new Hulk.

Terrax is the biggest jobber of all time. I can't see your scan but I don't think Nova hits in the same league as Hulk. Say what you will about her force fields getting broken being a low showing, I'd say it was more of a high showing for Hulk (as is all of WWH, because they literally just completely rewrote the character and his capabilities, despite the follow up retcons).

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#46  Edited By Floopay

@Dredeuced:

She was completely distracted and was trying to reason with him, and he took advantage of the situation and her kindness and shattered her shields to hit Reed. I've got the comic right in front of me, there's no debating what happened. She wasn't going all out and she wasn't using anywhere near her full potential. Her shields are dang near as powerful as Nova's shields, except she's way more experienced at using them.

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#47  Edited By romica1969

@Dredeuced: Yeah. I'm not sure when Sue became the Goddess of Brain Popping, but it's kind of ridiculous. She has to direct her power, and I'm not sure how she's gonna inflict such a refined attack on an enraged Hulk raining hell down upon her. It's like all the telepaths who are able to ignore the chaos of battle without it affecting their abilities at all. Just not realistic.

WWH wins. It's been done before, and it's canon. Sorry.

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#48  Edited By Dredeuced

@Floopay said:

@Dredeuced:

She was completely distracted and was trying to reason with him, and he took advantage of the situation and her kindness and shattered her shields to hit Reed. I've got the comic right in front of me, there's no debating what happened. She wasn't going all out and she wasn't using anywhere near her full potential. Her shields are dang near as powerful as Nova's shields, except she's way more experienced at using them.

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Sue's biggest weaknesses are A: her shields get broken by strong people B: She's kind hearted C: She's not infinitely precise with the control of her forcefields. All of these things apply to the battle. OP didn't say Sue is morals off blood lusted and also a lot smarter than she ever is. MAYBE if Sue was at her strongest showing, bloodlusted and a lot more clever than she usually is, she could outmaneuver Hulk with the versatility of her powers, but I highly doubt even then she could put him down for the count (considering how absolutely fast he regens). You're making much bigger leaps of logic than I am when I say Hulk's got the muscle to break her shields (he's done it dozens of times) and she doesn't have the power, control, or composure to put him down.

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#49  Edited By Floopay

@Dredeuced said:

@Floopay said:

@Dredeuced:

She was completely distracted and was trying to reason with him, and he took advantage of the situation and her kindness and shattered her shields to hit Reed. I've got the comic right in front of me, there's no debating what happened. She wasn't going all out and she wasn't using anywhere near her full potential. Her shields are dang near as powerful as Nova's shields, except she's way more experienced at using them.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Sue's biggest weaknesses are A: her shields get broken by strong people B: She's kind hearted C: She's not infinitely precise with the control of her forcefields. All of these things apply to the battle. OP didn't say Sue is morals off blood lusted and also a lot smarter than she ever is. MAYBE if Sue was at her strongest showing, bloodlusted and a lot more clever than she usually is, she could outmaneuver Hulk with the versatility of her powers, but I highly doubt even then she could put him down for the count (considering how absolutely fast he regens). You're making much bigger leaps of logic than I am when I say Hulk's got the muscle to break her shields (he's done it dozens of times) and she doesn't have the power, control, or composure to put him down.

Sue's very accurate, almost infinitely precise with her forcefields...she's placed them in people's brains, hearts, lungs, throats, etc. etc. And not just on humans, on people like Angrir who have a changed physiology and she put them in a spot she has no means of seeing where it is.

Her shields don't commonly get broken by strong people, they've contained gamma bombs effortlessly, nukes, hits that had immeasurable amounts of energy (as stated by Reed Richards), tanked shots from people on Thor's level, etc. etc.

I'm not stating bloodlusted, I'm stating if she was going all out. Sue going all out should be able to KO the Hulk with any of the methods I stated without killing him. It's not a big leap of logic, a bubble capable of containing a gamma bomb expanding in his skull would create enough pressure against his brain to KO him, she could create a bubble and lift him off the ground, and force the oxygen out until he is KO'd. She's done things similar to this before, and actually done most of these things before.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

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#50  Edited By Dredeuced

Do you think busting Hulk's skull wins the fight? I'm pretty sure Hulk's quickly regenerating from being burnt to a skeleton and having his brain melted via Man Thing. WWHulk hits harder than a Gamma Bomb, otherwise he wouldn't rip Tony apart so viciously and wouldn't be able to seriously hurt Sentry (who was, admittedly, taking the licks because he enjoyed it, but it's not like the F4 are faster than Hulk). "She was distressed!" is dumb, she wouldn't be distressed AGAIN when WWHulk comes ripping through and is about to lay the smackdown on Thing and Reed? She wouldn't try to reason with him again before he makes her collapse from the sheer backlash of him hitting her shields? You're using a really jobbing version of Hulk to think this stuff takes him down, and a much more clever and calm Sue than she usually is, especially fighting against a friend.