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#1 Edited by CyberpunkCop (3406 posts) - - Show Bio

the rules

  • Takes place in a bathhouse
  • F4 are morals off
  • 7DS are in character
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#2 Edited by Jmarshmallow (13863 posts) - - Show Bio

SDS. Handily.

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#3 Posted by Toratorn (7520 posts) - - Show Bio

FF stomp.

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#4 Posted by FaradaySloth (10620 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't FF too much for SDS? I don't really read western comics.

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#5 Posted by GXrevs06 (4911 posts) - - Show Bio

Mel could solo

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#6 Posted by katanalauncher (3717 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals off for FF, unless someone from SDS blitz right off the bat FF stomps.

Johnny goes supernova and kills all the sins, or Sue put forcefield in their brains.

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#7 Edited by deactivated-5c60dc252a2af (5801 posts) - - Show Bio

Depends in what time of the day it is.

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#8 Posted by Jko1 (3219 posts) - - Show Bio

Tf Human Torch and Invisible Women solo. Someone lock this.

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#9 Posted by Warlockmage (9373 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah F4 morals off... they better blitz right off the bat otherwise Sue is gonna kill them all... Ban might be tricky but honestly Sue gets really creative when shes morals off

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#10 Posted by Jko1 (3219 posts) - - Show Bio

@warlockmage: Human Torch incinerates Ban with Mel’s hellblaze.

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#11 Posted by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals on or off can the sds get through Sue's force field ?, if they can't get stomped

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#12 Posted by katanalauncher (3717 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals on or off can the sds get through Sue's force field ?, if they can't get stomped

I think the only way is maybe Gowther's abilities? Not sure even that will work since Sue have feats to defend against telepathy.

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#14 Posted by Lil_Remains (1704 posts) - - Show Bio

@katanalauncher:

Dude, meliodas could just use fullcounter.

Also what time of the day is it? for

the battle.

Johnny can't be harmed by his own flames, full counter will do literally nothing.

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#15 Edited by Nomar (1783 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm simply more impressed with the SDS than the FF and they can blitz the FF before they can really mount a defense. Here's where some will come in and tell you that the FF have fought people who can move so and so fast. What they won't tell you is that never are those people blitzing the FF or using the type of speed the SDS constantly use (combat). Comic book purist seem to think you are as fast as the fastest person you've fought, which makes no sense. The other thing is the way comics use speed and the way anime/manga use speed are very different. Anime/manga speed is battle orientated (using all of their limbs) with a dash of travel. Comics are almost purely travel or bullrush type attacks for combat.

The hax at disposal here are just too much. I mean lets remember this is the team that lost to Spider-Man and found his level of speed hard to contend with.

OP made this topic wanting a particular team to win though and that's clear.

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#16 Posted by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

@katanalauncher: Yeah Sue can block tp , meaning the sds don't have anyway of getting past Sue's force field, so the FF wins this fight

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#18 Posted by Hey_Thatsmildlyadequate (1699 posts) - - Show Bio

Sins without a doubt

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#19 Posted by FlashingSabre (3867 posts) - - Show Bio

Sins can blitz (with Ben and Reed getting incapped with hax). Without a blitz, Sue and Johnny horribly massacre them.

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#20 Posted by dodirty31 (1692 posts) - - Show Bio

Johnny wouldn't solo. If he was to go supernova Escanor would destroy them.

Ban and Meliodas are both immortal, with Meliodas getting stronger each time he dies growing closer and closer to darkness.

It's more likely that if this is a random encounter and FF is morals off they would attack diane first and if she was to die it would be the end of them.

7DS stomps every time.

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#21 Edited by AlexTheBoss (18462 posts) - - Show Bio

Do FF have TP resistance? Because Gowther could mentally troll them if they don't.

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#22 Edited by GXrevs06 (4911 posts) - - Show Bio

Sins can blitz. Ban rips their hearts out with fox hunt or ggs with physical hunt/hunter fest. Gowther mind wipes. Merlin bfrs

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#23 Posted by DeathHero61 (18870 posts) - - Show Bio

Merlin instant freezes everyone and Meliodas and Escanor immediately captilize on that and one shot

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#24 Posted by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

Sins stomp in a mismatch, only hope is Johnny. Even Ban is near soloing with hax. Someone like Law is ample enough to solo FF.

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#25 Posted by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: Did I miss anything, How are these characters going to get past Sue's force fields ?

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#26 Posted by StormShadow_X (16789 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see how Full counter would work. On topic. No idea honestly leaning towards the had of the sins due to Merlin and Gowther

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#27 Posted by Hope_w (2834 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenstorm: Indeed you did. No contact whatsoever is needed to dispose of her and her invisibility is practically worthless. Ban snatches her heart or brain away In-char therefore he alone is near soloing.

Also sue doesn't have any consistent feats on their level regarding her shielding. Lacks speed to be a factor. And is just practically useless on the account she does get an attack off as she can't put down Mel or Ban even by opening shields inside them.

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#28 Posted by theyoungwolf1 (189 posts) - - Show Bio

Fantastic Four pull a win.

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#29 Edited by GXrevs06 (4911 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenstorm: Does Sue’s ff have feats for stopping blitzes, teleportation BFR, telepathic assasults and strength leaching?

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#30 Edited by Rockette (6000 posts) - - Show Bio
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Fighting this Team with Morals OFF would be a nightmare. F4 STOMP!

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#31 Edited by GXrevs06 (4911 posts) - - Show Bio

@rockette said:

Fighting this Team with Morals OFF would be a nightmare.

Why? Sins have practically every advantage that matters here. Some could arguably solo

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#32 Posted by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

@gxrevs06: Sue has blocked tp on several occasions and there has never been instances where the things you mentioned passed her force fields as for the blitzing I'm going to need the blitzer's top speed

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#33 Posted by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: Who can pass Sue's force field if she traps them inside one (She's blocked tp on several occasions and Blink couldn't teleport through her force fields), and I don't think blitzing is an option, since Sue's force fields are active when she's unconscious and sleeps

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#34 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8455 posts) - - Show Bio

@hope_w: Who can pass Sue's force field if she traps them inside one (She's blocked tp on several occasions and Blink couldn't teleport through her force fields), and I don't think blitzing is an option, since Sue's force fields are active when she's unconscious and sleeps

Ban can use Fox Hunt to take out her heart from a distance, Diane could make the ground below her feat into spikes and kill her with it, among other things. Also, I'd need citations for Sue's force fields tanking consistently being able to tank multi-mountain+ physicals and energy projection. Sue clearly doesn't have her force fields up 24/7 either, so blitzing should be an option. As for the speed of these characters, they're all massively hypersonic.

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#35 Posted by deactivated-5c0b60e7cb512 (1483 posts) - - Show Bio

i think escanor can solo , i can be wrong

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#36 Posted by Lan_Fan (15894 posts) - - Show Bio

Sins should stomp.

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#37 Edited by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin:

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In the first scan Sue traps gladiator a +100 tonner, who can't break through her force field even with mental aassistance, Gladiator destroys planets with single strikes

In the second scan she blocks Black bolt's master blow (could oneshot Thing) and Namor's (100 tonner) punch at the same time

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First two scans Sue blocks blasts from multiple Celestials for a while who's blasts pierces Galactus (casually survives the moon colliding with him)

Third scan Sue blocks a blast from Silver Surfer (destroyed a planet to make a point)

Just Shows you while these characters are mountain busters, Sue goes toe to toe with planet / universe busters

Let me know if you need more proof

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Here Sue's force field actives when she's asleep, so no blitzing

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#38 Posted by Red_Ruby_Petal (8260 posts) - - Show Bio

sins IMO

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#39 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8455 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenstorm: Interesting stuff. The Sins should still win though.

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#40 Posted by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio
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#41 Edited by HitTheAssasin (8455 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenstorm: While Sue is quite impressive, the Sins have counters to her ability. Merlin has refelctive forcefields of her own in which she could probably trap Sue, Ban can rip out her heart from a distance with Fox Hunt or Diane could make the ground below her feet kill her.

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#42 Posted by Jko1 (3219 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenstorm: Sue blocking those blast from those celestials is definitely an outlier. Celestials, even the nameless fodder ones, are casually universal. So unless you honestly think her force fields have universal durability, then anyone whose celestial/elder god tier would one shot them without even trying.

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#43 Posted by Gamer684 (214 posts) - - Show Bio

FF stomps

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#44 Posted by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

@jko1: With or without the celestial scans, What about Sue's force field tanking silver surfer, Galactus, Doom with the watcher's power or a blackhole, are they all outliers ?

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#45 Edited by Jko1 (3219 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenstorm said:

@jko1: With or without the celestial scans, What about Sue's force field tanking silver surfer, Galactus, Doom with the watcher's power or a blackhole, are they all outliers ?

1. Higher end feat

2. Outlier

3. Outlier

4. Higher end feat.

No one in the Fantastic Four is comparable to anyone whose Skyfather or above in any way.

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#46 Edited by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: For Merlin's force field, I highly doubt they are stronger than Galactus' force fields or his armor that Sue punctured as well as The dome of the watchers so Merlin trapping Sue in a force field is going to be an option since Sue can send her force field's molecules right through Merlin's force field. What type of powers does Ban have to be able to rip out someone's heart from a distance?, if it's telekinesis than it's not going to work since Sue has blocked telekinesis before and Sue can make a full force bubble shield so Daine isn't much use either

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#47 Edited by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

@jko1: Are you serious, you can't just decide when feats are outliers, outliers are single feats that are clearly and obviously out of a character's limits but where a character has several feats on that level I really don't see it as outliers, So I take it Sue surviving an explosion similar to the big bang or Sue shielding massive ship from reality eaters or her shield tanking a blast that destroy time and reality itself are all outliers ???

I never said the FF are on the skyfathers' level I just said Sue's force fields can and have blocked such blasts

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#48 Posted by HitTheAssasin (8455 posts) - - Show Bio

@hiddenstorm: Merlin's force fields work by reflecting anything sent at them back, so I'm unsure whether that'll work. As for Ban's power, it's a special kind of TK that allows him to attack internal organs from a distance and take them out with a flick of the wrist. It's not merely generic TK.

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#50 Posted by Hiddenstorm (240 posts) - - Show Bio

@hittheassasin: Sue can still send her force field's molecules through Merlin's force field since it doesn't count as an attack and Ban's technique isn't going to work on Sue since she's already blocked Jean Grey's Tk who can also attack people's organs