Ezra vs Rey, Kylo Ren

Ezra with his Blaster Saber vs Rey using Luke's Saber and Kylo with his Saber.

Battle in a snowy forest.

@sirfizzwhizz: Do you mean Ezra?

@king_majestros: that too.

As of the latest Rebels episode, Ezra could defeat them both quite capably.

@discipulus: Agreed.

Ezra easily.

Ezra with very low difficulty although it isn't quite a stomp.

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I need to catch up on the new Rebels season. It wasn't long ago most people were arguing Rey could solo Kanan and Ezra together.

Is ezra really that good now? I heard rumors he is going to be the starkiller of this universe.

@nerdchore: He's improving pretty fast imo

@queen_marceline: I only watched the first couple eps. Thats kind of exciting. I cant wait for kylo to become more badass.

Restrict Rey's Mary Sue abilities or she solos the Rebels verse

Rey stomps. She is like the most genius jedi ever. She learned how to control force and lightsaber duel in span of minutes.

Ezra right now but will see if it changes when Episode 8 comes around

Ray would get speed blitzed

Kylo was able to stop light in the air. Rey matched him. They are fast enough.

Are you suggesting the energy blast was lightspeed?

@redzkz: I wouldn't say genius, more like heavily reliant on the plot. Anyway, by feats she gets destroyed.

As of episode nine, Rey and Kylo stomp. Kylo/Rey alone could certainly do it. Kylo, or rather, Ben, was to take down the knights of ren. Even as of episode 8 I could Rey and Kylo winning. Episode 7: Ezra Episode 8: Either way, maybe Rey + Kylo 6/10 Episode 9: Rey and Kylo stomp.

Ezra.

TFA Kylo solostomps. He's canonically a better warrior than ESB Luke and his feats blow Ezra's out of the water.

Ezra gets his ass stomped into oblivion

Gonna politely ask for your reasoning behind this. I don't see why both Rey and Kylo can't solo here.

TFA Kylo solos. TFA Rey could go either way. Either can solo by the last jedi. Either stomp by the rise of skywalker.

This but also young Ben could prob solo as well lol

Kylo Ren stomps, Rey is not a factor.

Ezra is a non factor in this fight either solo

@sxe619: Ezra has more training when it comes to dueling and he has impressive force feats such as moving asteroids and pushing Vader to the ground with TK (albeit with Kanan's help). In contrast, Kylo Ren was unable to defeat the Knights of Ren without a lightsaber despite having the Force and Rey has barely any dueling experience whatsoever.

Based on your argument Dooku couldnt defeat pirates so hes fodder.

Either Kylo or Rey solo

@beta-56: Except that's a low showing for Dooku. He has other feats to cancel out that feat such as him dueling Kenobi and Anakin in the latter portion of TCW (1:19-1:33 is the significant portion):

Kylo Ren has no other feats, particularly with non-force sensitives, suggesting he could do any better. His only combat feats are against or with Rey, against Finn, and a few seconds at the beginning of TROS with the aid of stormtroopers. None of these feats cancel out his failure to defeat the Knights of Ren without a lightsaber because they are all low-level performances.

It’s crazy how tides shift in a few years.

How? Ezra is better in every way and massively more skilled than Rey at that point.

@necromancer76:

Kylo Ren has no other feats, particularly with non-force sensitives, suggesting he could do any better. His only combat feats are against or with Rey, against Finn, and a few seconds at the beginning of TROS with the aid of stormtroopers.

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defeats 3 Jedi trained under Luke Skywalker with the force alone, barely gesturing.

outclasses them in a duel in Round 2, accidentally kills one while trying to save the other from death. You also forgot the feats against the Praetorian Guard

@samjackson: It really depends on how injured/off balance Kylo was. Even TFA Kylo is above the grand inquisitor, let alone Ezra. He might be able to beat Ezra and Kanan at once. So it really depends how well Rey scales to him.

He was massively injured, he just took a bowcaster shot to the gut and was bleeding out the entire time.

@ubercoffeetime: Fair evidence on the first scans, although these are Jedi still in training. Regardless, it seems as though these are his all-time best feats, suggesting he became weaker in the actual trilogy.

And I included the Praetorian Guard when I said he performed feats against or with Rey, as the duo fought the guard together. He also had to be saved by Rey at the end.

@samjackson: True, and I agree Ezra "should" beat TFA Rey, but Rey has her Marry Sue powers, lol. But yeah, I would probably side with Ezra, I just think Rey and the end of TFA can at least make him work for it.

@necromancer76:

Fair evidence on the first scans, although these are Jedi still in training. Regardless, it seems as though these are his all-time best feats, suggesting he became weaker in the actual trilogy.

Becoming weaker makes zero sense...

At this point he doesn't get any training from Snoke or even tastes the dark side. Why can't the KoR as a group of 6 just be impressive...at this point their only other feats are defeating a squadron of Sector Security and getting rekt by Luke Skywalker (hardly an anti feat). They might do something next issue of the Kylo Ren series or the near future. I have no idea why people suddenly decided losing to half a dozen force sensitives without a lightsaber was now an anti feat.

The knights are also compared to Imperial Inquisitors in term of power within the ROS visual Dictionary. They are clearly meant to be impressive, especially as a group.

Ezra doesn't have more training or experience then Ben either. Kylo, like Vader was the orders enforcer and has engaged in just as many fodder battles as Ezra. Kylo was trained by both Snoke and Luke Skywalker mean for pretty much his entire life, Ezra trained under Kanan primarily.

Force power also isn't close at all...even by TFA he has feats Ezra has never replicated and I've already shown you him beating 3 Jedi with telekinesis alone

In fairness though, at the time this thread was made Kylo and Rey were limited to TFA feats where they did nothing that could be deemed impressive by dueling standards. Ezra would indeed win.

At this point though - even Rey has better feats

And according to Palpatine, Kylo was well trained by Snoke

"Snoke trained you well"

@ubercoffeetime: I'm in agreement that it doesn't make sense, as the vast majority of characters increase their power with time. However, none of Kylo's feats in the movies seem to surpass his feat of soloing multiple Jedi.

As for the Knights of Ren, it's an anti-feat because not only do they not have lightsabers or blasters, but they also can't use the Force. They have no way to attack Kylo from range, so they should have been easily disposed of. The Inquisitors, on the other hand, could utilize the Force effectively in battle.

And yet, even with this supposed training, Kylo performed on the level of borderline training-less Rey on numerous occasions. Couple this with the fact that Rey certainly does not know any lightsaber forms while Ezra trained under Kanan who likely learned the forms as a Youngling and Padawan. So Kylo fighting Rey equally lowers his standing even more.

Kylo performs those decent Force feats in TFA and proceeds to never use those abilities again. It's also important to note how he performed those feats against Poe, a non-force sensitive, and Rey, who didn't even believe the Force existed at the time. Thus, it seems unlikely that he would be able to freeze/stasis Ezra with his abilities.

@smoke-w: What training?...I mean I guess this'll be explained in the comics and books...but we saw nothing of Ren's training under Snoke. Most of it would imply it came from Luke given the flashbacks we're given and so forth.

I feel for the writers who have to try and string all this together to make any sort of sense.

They have already begun their grand attempt to explain everything away, with the tweet about Exegol's population and the Final Order as a primary example. It's going to be interesting for sure to see what information they come up with.

@necromancer76: What were those? This should be good..

@necromancer76 said:

Do we actually know that Ezra has more training? We know that Ben trained under Luke which alone should put any sort of training he's had above Ezra's. When it comes down to actual feats, Kylo defeating multiple Praetorian Guards at once as well as the Knights of Ren all prove him to be a more than capable duelist in his own right.

Scans / quotes for the asteroid feat?

As for Force pushing Vader, we have no way of knowing how much Ezra actually contributed to this compared to Kanan. Either way, I don't consider it very impressive due to the fact that it's their combined strength managing to break through Vader's barrier just enough to push him. Ezra got ragdolled by Vader moments prior having his own lightsaber turned against him, and would've died if not for Kanan saving him. He clearly isn't even in the same ballpark as Vader when it comes to TK, at least during the time frame of that episode. Meanwhile, Kylo and Rey are both extremely powerful given their lineage, and their feats back this up too.