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My brothers. We were forged in victory. A victory that ended the Great War and brought forth the reign of Mt. Olympus. Born from the depths of the Underworld, rooted in the River of Souls, our mountain emerged out of the chaos. As it grew, so too did the might of the Olympians. We created a world of peace, a world of prosperity. A world that lives in the shadow and safety of my mountain. A mountain that has come to be the absolute measure of strength and power. Now, on this day, that power is to be tested. The mortal, Kratos, seeks to destroy all that I have wrought. Brothers, put aside the petty grievances that have splintered us for so long. We will unite, we will stand together, and I will wipe out this plague! Olympus will prevail!

Zeus addressing the Olympians during the second Titanomarchy

Zeus : The Lord of Heavens and Earth....

Zeus is the main antagonist of the Greek era of the God of War series. He was the youngest child of the Titan King, Cronos, who ascended to become the King of Olympus and the God of the Sky, Thunder, Lightning, and the Heavens.He acted as an minor ally in God of War before serving as the main antagonist of both God of War II and God of War III, and was the biological father of most of the gods of Olympus and many famous demigods such as Hercules, Perseus, Peirithous and even the Spartan warrior Kratos as well as his brother Deimos.

Zeus serves as the King of Olympians and the absolute measure of strength in God of War's Greek Cosmos, the absolute Olympian, the Forger and wielder of the Blade of Olympus and in general , by far the most powerful being during the Greek saga of God of War.

History...

In the Beginning there was Darkness , in the Beginning there was nothing more then a Void named Chaos , the Big Bang in God of war wasn't the expansion of any universes but rather then expansion of the Void of Chaos , and this expansion birthed beings known as the Premordeals , one of the Premordeals was the son of Chaos , Uranus but Uranus and his brothers and sisters didn't go well together and thus began the premordeal war , a war born out of pure rage , fear , hate and anger. This war led to the universe being created from Uranus's body.

Uranus was the victor of the Great War , defeating his brothers and sisters in a war that forged the very universe , the war ended with Uranus stablizing Chaos and bringing Order to it and becoming the first skyfather, but upon becoming skyrather , Uranus was consumed by Fear , fear of being overthrown the same way he had overthrown his creator , Chaos , due to this Fear Uranus ended up sealing his own Son Cronos in Tartarus.

once Uranus grew tyrannical, his wife , Gaia decided to free Cronos , Cronos attacked his father with epic Fury, in a battle of cosmic scale Cronos quiet literally ripped his fathers balls apart and then went on to tear his father to pieces , Cronos upon defeating his father became the Second Skyfather.

Cronos , just like Uranus , was consumed by fear when informed his own children would overthrow him the same way he had overthrown his father , Uranus. this fear led to Cronos quiet literally sealing his children and imprisoning them into his own stomach , but when it came to the final child , the Child was sent away by his mother and cronos devoured a little rock , The child was Zeus.

Once a Young Zeus realized of Cronos's sins of eating his own Children , he fought Cronos with great fury , slashing open his belly and freeing Poseidon and Hades , this led to a hundred year long Great War between the Titans and the Gods which ended with Hades and Posiedon finally defeating Cronos and Atlas and then Zeus arriving and one shotting the entire Titan race via using an extension of his own power , The Blade of Olympus.

his victory allowed Zeus to become the Third and Final Skyfather , as the Skyfather , unlike his predecessors Zeus was able to finally see the Cycle and realized the cause of the Cycle , The Great Evils , these evils that have shaped reality itself since the very beginning of reality , from the Premordeal war to the Great war , the evils such as Fear/Gluttony/Likely the seven deadly sins , Hate , Greed , Rage all these evils had been shaping reality to cause all this chaos since the very beginning , Zeus ended up sealing these evils in Pandora's box , Athena also sealed Hope inside the Pandora's box as a counter measure against the Evils.

Years later , when Kratos opened Pandora's box he ended up unleashing the Great Evils upon the world again , Fear consumed Zeus and he became as paranoid and tyrannical as Cronos and Uranus , Fear of Kratos led to Zeus killing his own son in cold blood , Kratos developed fury and hatred that allowed him to overthrow the olympians and destroy the world itself..

Kratos vs Zeus in their final fight may seem like just an extension of the cycle of Patricide and overthrowing of skyfathers , a son consumed by wraith vs a father who created that very wraith via his own paranoia , but the final battle was of Hope and Fear himself , two abstract concepts battling for the future of reality.

Kratos's power of hope finally overcomes the power of fear that Zeus was infused with , and finally ending the cycle of the Skyfathers and their sons as well as ending the Rule of Olympus , and that was the end for the King of Olympians as well.

The King Of the Gods....

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Zeus is the King of the Gods and in this section we're going to establish Zeus is the most powerful being in the Greek Myths by a Huge Margin , but before we must establish some of the Normal scaling of the verse , where the normal Olympians and Titans scale.

The Premordeals.

for example the God of War Universe Began By Ceto punching Ouranus so hard in the face that the Universe was sent flying out of Ouranus's body at MFTL+ speed.

this scene is confirmed to have created the universe and all the galaxies via multiple statements.

Hey Mr. Murphy! Sorry to bother you, but was wondering if I could ask you a quick God of War related fan question since you were one of the art leads. figured you'd have an idea on this since you were one of guys at the Pax Panel for Ascension a couple of years back.

Patrick Murphy : Absolutely. Whats your question?

Thank you sir! I had two topics I wanted to ask about if that's ok...The first is about the Primordials in the beginning of Ascension's intro. Did they create the universe?

Pattrick Murphy : yes , they did create the unicverse, *universe

and Now By Ariel Lawrence

Their battle created entire universe too, right? since one of them created some sort of big bang during the war.

Ariel Lawrence : I'd always imagined the primordials were spawned by the big bang and their fighting created the galaxies

we've in universe confirmation that Ouranus gave life to the universe , from the son of Ouranus and Gaia , Gyges.

Sired by Uranus, he who gave life to the Universe.

Gyges furthur calls Uranus the father of the universe.

this World is the birthright Of we who were born to the son of Chaos,Father of the Universe.

and finally , Gyges confirming Ouranus created the universe.

then with your death, we will once again rule all that our Father Created

already we have a premordeal as Universal at the bare minimum with a single punch, But Ouranus survived this punch and went on to marry Gaia , meaning Ouranus is already universal in durability , he also became the skyfather and seemingly the king in general. Ouranus lived onto meeting his children.

Legend states that Gaia. having grown tired of the tyranny of her consort, who had sealed her monstrous children away to the unending pits of Tartarus, took to Hyperion, the wisest and Eldest amongst her offspring the titan, in all his wisdom, realized that if the Barrier that separated the Wnderworld from the Realm of Immortals were to be shattered, the pits of Tartarus would be connected to our realm This would Allow the original offspring of heaven and earth to be rescued from the Tyranny of their father. Gaia. Having heard his counsel knew what must be done:

having pulled Hyperion and herself into A domain.outside Ouranos's ever-present ears, the earth-mother took them into the presence of the Primordial Flame, the all-powerful flame which spawned all others and one of the first powers of nature born from the original life and bestowed it upon Hyperion and the two became one from then on, the Sun was born, but records seldom speak of the chains of events that succeeded this.

as shown , Ouranus survived and became a Tyrannacal of the universe.Ouranus is powerful enough to survive having universal punches thrown to his face and having literal universes inside of him , but Cronos LITERALLY ripped him apart,per the directors , Cronos ripped Ouranus to pieces , this is stated at around 8 minute mark

Cronos having defeated Ouranus is confirmed by multiole timelines

The mighty Cronos, the Titan son of Gaia, grew so fearful of the Oracle's prediction that his own children would rise against him as he had overthrown his father Uranus, that he decided to imprison them all in his belly. His wife Rhea stood by and watched as her children were devoured one by one. But when the time came for the last of her children to be eaten, she was unable to bear another such loss, and devised a trick to save her baby, Zeus. Cronos swallowed a stone wrapped in cloth, as a Golden Eagle whisked Zeus away into the horizon, to an island well beyond the watchful eyes of the Titan Lord.

the Mighty Cronos , the titan son of gaia grew so fearful of oracle's prediction that his own children would rise against him as he had overthrown his father Uranus that he decided to imprison them all in his belly his wife rhea stood by and watched as her children were devoured one by one but when the time came for the last of her children to be eaten she was unable to bear another such loss, and devised a trick to save her baby, zeus cronos swallowed a stone wrapped in cloth, as a golden eagle took zeus away into the horizon, to an island well beyond the watchful eyes of the titan lord.

worse , there is confirmation the battle was on the same cosmic scale as Ouranus vs Ceto.

Is it true that cronos & uranus had a big cosmic level battle??

Bruno Velazquez : Yes and Cronos won.

Cronos having brually defeated Ouranus is accepted by the bovels , in which he ripped Uranus's balls off even.

Aphrodite had been born from the genitals of Ouranos, when his son Cronos -Zeus's father had ripped them from the elder god's crotch and thrown them in the Mediterranean.The drops of blood had become the Furies-which to Athena had always made considerable sense and the organ itself had been reborn as the infinitely desirable goddess.

Being born from the sea foam, Aphrodite in one sense could be considered not to be part of the family at all, except by marriage as she was wed to Athena's brother Hephaestus. The goddess might be considered only Athena's sister-in-law.

However, she had also been born as the result of an act by Cronos, which in a sense made her a sister of Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades. Which meant that she would be due considerably greater deference.

Finally, she had actually been incarnated from the penis of Ouranos, Zeus's grandfather, which made her Zeus's aunt. Aphrodite herself refused to clarify the complicated genealogy. For her part, Athena avoided the lust goddess whenever possible. Athena's guile was markedly different from Aphrodite's.

eo yes, Cronos quiet literally ripped apart someone who can survive universal punches and contain universes inside his body.

Morpheus

to Truly Understand Morpheus's power , we must understand that the reslms like underworld , upperworld , domain of death e.t.c. have different flow of time many people here on CV seem to believe that Hades is just like a lower layer on the planet Earth and not much more , but this is factually incorrect as Hades and Earth have a barrier between them who even a young Chronos cannot destroy , this btw also confirms Ouranus was omnipresent in the cosmos , or atleast have insane cosmic awareness , this furtur confirms that underworld is infinite as Tartarus is described as un-ending , the only way Chronos can be freed from the Tartarus is the destruction of the barrier between Hades and the realm of immortals

Gaia. having grown tired of the tyranny of her consort, who had sealed her monstrous children away to the unending pits of Tartarus, took to Hyperion, the wisest and Eldest amongst her offspring the titan, in all his wisdom, realized that if the Barrier that separated the Underworld from the Realm of Immortals were to be shattered, the pits of Tartarus would be connected to our realm This would Allow the original offspring of heaven and earth to be rescued from the Tyranny of their father. Gaia ,Having heard his counsel knew what must be done: having pulled Hyperion and herself into A domain.

outside Ouranos's ever-present ears, the earth-mother took them into the presence of the Primordial Flame, the all-powerful flame which spawned all others and one of the first powers of nature born from the original life and bestowed it upon Hyperion and the two became one from then on, the Sun was born, but records seldom speak of the chains of events that succeeded this.

Hades and Living world are directly stated to be alternate and seprate dimensions via the developers that are only connected by holes in the fabric of space , this is a factual and direct statement that can't be debated , they are seprate dimensions where the only connection is the Great chain that passes through holes in fabric of space aka Portals, meaning these are different universes.

What exactly, is the relationship between the Underworld and the mortal realm? Is 'Hades' supposed to be a world physically beneath the earth, or is it another dimension?

The image you provided from the handbook clarifies that these realms are 'interconnected, and believe that's a good explanation of their relationship. If you might recall, in God of War III, we introduced the "Great Chain," a massive chain stretching across the entire world, which linked the two realms. That is to say, they are separate 'dimensions' in the Sci-Fi sense but still connected through 'tears' in the fabric of space, which the Chain passes through, securing the connection and preventing both dimensions from being thrown into disorder

this is furthur supported by the Domain of Death, an entire seeming dimension that exists between Hades and the world of the living , making the gap between mortal universe and hades in actuality far wider and bigger due to having entire dimensions/potential universes between them.

The Domain of Death , a Dark nether world nestled between the World of the Living and the world of the dead , a purgatory ruled by the God of Death , Thanatos

so as this explains , the Underworld and the Mortal world are different universes/Dimensions, both infinite and they have the Domain of Death jammed in middle of them , only way to go from underworld to mortal world or vice versa is use tears in the fabric of realms , Morpheus's own realm where reality and imagination converge and time is disorted and does not flow the same way as normal , seems to be a seprate space time , the other side of the coin implying its the same size and is parrallel to normal world.

The Tale of Morpheus among the seldom spoken-of Elder Gods in the ancient history of the World, few come close to being as worshipped as Morpheus. records hold it that Morpheus is one of the protocenoi, the first order of Gods who have existed since before the creation of Time itself and who represent the quintessential abstractions of Nature.Morpheus is dream incarnate, and is often depicted by ancient poets as the son of nyx, the night itself. as one of the relics of what the world once was, Morpheus resides in a bizarre world of Eternal night and dreams where imagination and reality converge and time is distorted, often thought of as the other side of the coin to our dimension.

Morpheus's mother , Nyx , has also created an alternate dimension , an alternate version of the world which is seemingly exactly the same as ours with the exception of it being a dimension of Eternal night.

there are portal which allowed kratos to pass other dimension. Is That correct? Also is that a real moon on the background?

Ariel Lawrence: Yes, about the portal. It's our moon as seen from an alternate dimension.

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llowed kratos to pass other dimension. Is That correct ? Also is that a real moon on the background?

Ariel Lawrence ; I've always believed it was an alt dimension. With that statue of Nyx, I imagined a dimension of eternal night w/ a real moon.

The God of war universe is pretty explicitly infinite , Regarding the cosmos/sky being infinite , thats stated by the God of War 1 Novel

Finally the ocean began to boil at the far horizon. The frothing churn raced toward the shore where Athena stood, and an instant later a vast waterspout roared up to mate the sea with the infinite sky. Poised amid the mountainous column of water stood Poseidon, brawny arms crossed over his thick chest. His crown was crusted with barnacles, and his trident dripped blood and entrails. "I bring the greetings of Olympus, Lord Poseidon," she said, bowing deeply.

now the countless infinite statements that Underworld has , the tale of persephone refers to Tartarus , a mere part of the underworld , as boundless

THE STORY OF PERSEPHONE IS UNDOUBTEDLY ONE OF THE FAVORITE GODLY MYTHS OF THE MORTALS. LEGEND GOES THAT THE GODDESS WAS KIDNAPPED BY HADES, THE RULER OF THE UNDERWORLD, WHO HAD BECOME INFATUATED WITH HER ANGELIC APPEARANCE AND DELICATENESS AND HAD ENLISTED HIS BROTHER ZEUS FOR HELP. AS A RESULT, PERSEPHONE'S MOTHER, DEMETER, GODDESS OF THE EARTH, REFUSED TO LET THE WORLD REMAIN FERTILE UNTIL HER DAUGHTER WAS RETURNED TO HER. PITYING HER PLIGHT, THE EVER-PRESENT SUN GOD, HELIOS, REVEALED THE LOCATION OF PERSEPHONE TO DEMETER WHO DEMANDED THAT THE GOD OF THE UNDERWORLD GIVE HER DAUGHTER BACK. HADES CONSENTED, BUT BEFORE COMPLYING.

THE GOD DECEIVED HER INTO TASTING FROM THE POMEGRANATE, THE FRUIT OF THE UNDERWORLD, THUS FORCING HER TO SPEND ONE THIRD OF THE YEAR IN THE UNDERWORLD WITH HER HUSBAND. AND THUS THE TRAGIC TALE OF PERSEPHONE ENDS. AND GIVES WAY UNTO ANOTHER... DEEP WITHIN THE UTTERMOST BOWELS OF THE BOUNDLESS PITS OF TARTARUS, SOMETHING OLDER THAN THE GODS THEMSELVES LAUGHS

here is the Tale of Atlas , furthur confirming the underworld to be infinite

AMONG THE ANCIENT RULERS OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, FEW ARE SO SPOKEN OF IN MORTAL CIRCLES AS THE TITAN, ATLAS. SON OF JAPETUS AND ASIA, ATLAS EMBODIES STRENGTH AND ENDURANCE AND WAS THE ONE WHO LED THE TITANS AGAINST THE OLYMPIANS IN THE CENTURY-SPANNING GREAT WAR. FINALLY, AT THE PEAK OF THE BATTLE, THE MIGHTY TITAN WAS FELLED BY THE GOD HADES, WHO HAD TEAMED UP WITH HIS BROTHER POSEIDON AND PROCEEDED BROKEN. IT LUNGES. IN THE BEGINNING. THERE WAS DARKNESS. TO ABSORB THE TITAN'S SOUL INTO HIMSELF.

AT LAST, ZEUS, WHO HAD FORGED THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON IN CREATION, ENDED THE GREAT WAR, RELEASING A GREAT BURST OF SWEEPING ENERGY THAT BANISHED THE TITANS TO TARTARUS.

THE BOWELS OF THE UNDERWORLD, THUS ENDING THE TALE OF THE MIGHTIEST TITAN... OR PERHAPS NOT. DEEP WITHIN THE LIMITLESS DOMAIN OF THE DEAD, AN ELDRITCH, SINISTER LAUGH REVERBERATES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE REALM, FOR THE CHAINS THAT ONCE HELD BACK A FORCE OLDER THAN THE GODS

more confirmation from the Guidebooks regarding Underworld being immeasurable/infinite

HADE DOMAIN IS FOUND DEEP BENEATH THE FARTH A SCARLET CHASM OF IMMEASURABLE MAGNITUDE WHERE THE DIAD PLUMMET TOWARDS THE FIERY WATERS OF THE RIVER STYXAS THE SCREAMS OF SOULS PASSING INTO THIS REALM RESONATE THROUGHOUT THIS VAST REALM THE DARING, AND SOME

here is from Cecil Kim , the concept artist whose underwod concept arts ended up making into God of War I

CECIL KIM CONCEPT ARTIST I did these pieces early on... even the level design wasn't solid yet. The interpretation I was thinking is that there was no gravity, but at the same time, features are kind of shifting. Also, there is this infinite distance in the background-stuff is flying, falling or exploding.

Cory Barlog backs up Cecil Kim and furthur confirms its correct , Cory Barlog is one of the main directors of the series

While talking about the Underworld when Kratos was sent to it at the end of the first game, after Ares kills him, Cecil states that the intention of the developer team was for the Underworld to be "infinite in size" This claim made by Cecil about the Underworld interested me a lot

Due to the scales and implications. I want to know if it was indeed the intention that the Underworld was that immense in size? It's the thing that grabbed my attention the most in this making of

I'd say Cecil is about right there. Considering his concept arts are still what we used for the final Underworld level, and also the fact Hades was supposed to have ruled forever had Kratos not intervened.

now as we know , Nyx's realm and Morpheus's realm are " different side of the coin " and " alternate dimensions of eternal night " to the normal God of War universe , and thus they're likely the same size as of the normal universe in GOW , now....an overlook for the God of War Greek Cosmology.

  • The Conventional world of man -------> infinite or universal in size
  • The Underworld ------> bluntly infinite in size per every source.
  • Nyx's realm ------> universal in size , alterantion version of World of man.
  • Morpheus's realm ------> universal in size , another version of the world of man.

all the realms are different time space continuums, Underworld is bluntly a different dimension them the Conventional world of man and has Domain of death sandwiched in middle of the world of man and the underworld , Domain of Death , Nyx's eternal night and Morpheus's realm of dreams are all premordeal realms, Nyx Rternal night is bluntly an alternate dimension only accessible via portals , Morpheus is also bluntly a different time space because time and space here is a disorted mess where space has converged with imagination and time disorted.

all in all, the Greek cosmology and creation is bluntly multiversal and Morpheus is capable of merging the entire Greek multiverse aka all of creation into one effortlessly in the mere absence of The Light that Illuminates the world.

However, rumor has begun to rise up of a plan to overthrow Olympus. a plan Morpheus is said to be part of. if the light that illuminates the world disappears, the realm of Night and Dreams and the world of Man and God will merge into one, and all of Creation will be consumed into the black grip of the God

The Quote above clearly shows all of creation was gonna be merged into one world of Darkness , under the power of the God aka Morpheus , Morpheus can merge the entire Multiversal Greek Cosmology into one if he really wishes to. , why does this matter? because Morpheus , even though an abstract conceot that predates reality and time , is still capped under Helios , this is exactly why he needs Helios's light to dissapear.

However, rumor has begun to rise up of a plan to overthrow Olympus. a plan Morpheus is said to be part of. if the light that illuminates the world disappears, the realm of Night and Dreams and the world of Man and God will merge into one, and all of Creation will be consumed into the black grip of the God

Morpheus is explicitly below Helios in the Hierarchy

his function in the rule of Olympus is to ensure the Balance between Light and darkness is not disrupted, being an agent of the Night. in this sense, the god of dreams is an equivalent of sortsto Artemis's twin brother Apollo, the second representation of the Sun behind the life-giving Light of Helios.

Now even though Morpheus is a abstract conceptual being that can Merge an entire multiverse into one effortlessly , all his actions are stopped via the passive existence of Helios , meaning Helios is superior to beings who can merge entire multiverses into one effotlessly , making Helios multiversal as well.

Atlas

Atlas is the mightiest of the Titans , a being so powerful that he holds up the world itself , but normally people write off him holding the world as him merely holding the planet , but this is not true , Atlas holds the entire universe and this is something extremely easy to prove , Atlas is stated to hold up the heavens themselves.

ATLAS - Son of the Titan Lapetos and brother of Prometheus, the Titan Atlas was King of Ardedia , Atlas led the Titans in the war against the Gods upon defeat, he was banished by Zeus to hold up the heavens on his shoulders

now heavens is an extremely vague term , but today I'm gonna 100% proof that heavens refers to the space/universe itself , first we have the Antikythera mechanism.

Antikythera Mechanism - a gear mechanism used by archimedes to track the heavens

now why is this relevant? The Antikythera Mechanism is a real object used for the studying and understanding of the cosmos itself.The Description of the Antikythera mehcanism is the exact same with the exception of the world Cosmos or space being replaced by heavens , by that we can safely deduce that Heavens refers to the universe/cosmos itself. but there is more evidence regarding Heavens = Universe , as proven earlier in the post the universe was physically contained inside Ouranus and moved out via Ceto's punch , guess what , the same Ouranus who created the universe from his body is stated to be the emobidment of heavens, more direct evidence that heavens is just another word for cosmos/universe.

now that makes it even clearer , Heavens is another word for the universe and Atlas is lifting the universe at all moments on his shoulders and thus has universal physical strength , but don't worry , there is more that proofs Atlas is holding every universe and dimension in the cosmology with the exception of Underworld and has multiversal/multi universal physical strength.

as we can see here , Atlas and Persephone hatched a plan to destroy the World Pillar causing all to return back to Chaos but Kratos via using the Gauntlet of Zeus was able to overpower and defeat the strongest version of Persephone to which Persephone decided to do a suicide attack that completely vaporized the Pillar of the world , but before the world can fall Kratos overpowered and chained Atlas to hold the world itself and thus Atlas was used as a replacement for the Pillar of the world.

so In this sense , Atlas replaced the Pillar of the world , and it is confirmed that without the pillar of the world , all of creation will cease to exist , absolutely nothing in the Greek cosmos would survive.

A Sacrifice to Save All Creation - To prevent Kratos from stopping her, Persephone tricks him into reuniting with his daughter in Elysium if he lays down his weapons. Upon discovering Persephone's true plan to end all creation, Kratos sacrifices seeing his daughter in order to save her, for if all creation ceases, so would she. He attacks the pure souls in Elysium, regaining his powers, and his curse as the Ghost of Sparta. In the ensuing battle. Kratos chains Atlas to the Pilar holding the world, and with the assistance of Helios, kills Persephone. Again cursed and barred from Elysium, Kratos rides the Sun Chariot back into the living world as it rises into the sky.

Treachery In The Underworld: Atlas and Persephone - Kratos frees the Sun Chariot's steeds, who pull him into The Underworld as they follow their master. There he discovers that Persephone, Hades' wife, freed Atlas. Persephone hates the other Gods for abandoning her to the underworld and her forced marriage, and has tricked Atlas into attacking the Pillar that holds the world with Helios' power. Atlas believes this will bring down Mt. Olympus, but it will really cause the living world to collapse onto the underworld, destroying all creation.

also this makes sense as Atlas can't only be holding the crust of the upper world because as proven the Underworld and living world are Scientifically different dimensions.

What exactly, is the relationship between the Underworld and the mortal realm? Is 'Hades' supposed to be a world physically beneath the earth, or is it another dimension?

The image you provided from the handbook clarifies that these realms are 'interconnected, and believe that's a good explanation of their relationship. If you might recall, in God of War III, we introduced the "Great Chain," a massive chain stretching across the entire world, which linked the two realms. That is to say, they are separate 'dimensions' in the Sci-Fi sense but still connected through 'tears' in the fabric of space, which the Chain passes through, securing the connection and preventing both dimensions from being thrown into disorder

and finally , to furthur prove how a direct connection between underworld and upper doesn't exist , they are scientifically different universes , an entire dimension aka the Domain of Death is situated between the Hades and Living world.

The Domain of Death , a Dark nether world nestled between the World of the Living and the world of the dead , a purgatory ruled by the God of Death , Thanatos

as proven by these quotes , all of creation would be destroyed if you remove The World Pillar or Atlas from the equation as it would all collapse into the Hades , being destroyed and returned to nothing.all of creation includes literally everything in the greek cosmology and as a cosmological descrption I gave earlier already ow....an overlook for the God of War Greek Cosmology.

  • The Conventional world of man -------> infinite or universal in size
  • The Underworld ------> bluntly infinite in size per every source.
  • Nyx's realm ------> universal in size , alterantion version of World of man.
  • Morpheus's realm ------> universal in size , another version of the world of man.

all the realms are different time space continuums, Underworld is bluntly a different dimension them the Conventional world of man and has Domain of death sandwiched in middle of the world of man and the underworld , Domain of Death , Nyx's eternal night and Morpheus's realm of dreams are all premordeal realms, Nyx Rternal night is bluntly an alternate dimension only accessible via portals , Morpheus is also bluntly a different time space because time and space here is a disorted mess where space has converged with imagination and time disorted.

all in all, the Greek cosmology and creation is bluntly multiversal and with the exception of the Hades , Atlas is holding all the realms from falling and being destroyed into nothingness due to the fall , Meaning Atlas has the physical strength to hold Multiple universal time spaces on his shoulders , this same feat is done by Hercules too in God of War.

The creature's jaw began to open. Kratos strained like Hercules lifting the sky from the shoulders of Atlas. The Hydra strove with all its monstrous power to bite down again, but when the Ghost of Sparta stood braced, no power on earth could crush him.

as proven , Atlas and Hercules can lift all of creation in God of Wat Greek cosmology with the exception of Hades itself , meaning they have the physical strength to hold multiple universes , all seprated by dimensionality, Which is basically Multiversal physical strength , in my last section on why all of this mentioned scales to Zeus I will explain why zeus scales above any of this in every aspect.

Zeus

Now , Finally to the part How Zeus is far superior to everyone in the Greek cosmology , for example the Premordeals such as Ouranus and Ceto who both proved to be universal in durability and physical strength, Cronos , as said , completely ripped Ouranus apart.Cronos LITERALLY ripped him apart,per the directors , Cronos ripped Ouranus to pieces , this is stated at around 8 minute mark

Cronos having defeated Ouranus is confirmed by multiple timelines

The mighty Cronos, the Titan son of Gaia, grew so fearful of the Oracle's prediction that his own children would rise against him as he had overthrown his father Uranus, that he decided to imprison them all in his belly. His wife Rhea stood by and watched as her children were devoured one by one. But when the time came for the last of her children to be eaten, she was unable to bear another such loss, and devised a trick to save her baby, Zeus. Cronos swallowed a stone wrapped in cloth, as a Golden Eagle whisked Zeus away into the horizon, to an island well beyond the watchful eyes of the Titan Lord.

the Mighty Cronos , the titan son of gaia grew so fearful of oracle's prediction that his own children would rise against him as he had overthrown his father Uranus that he decided to imprison them all in his belly his wife rhea stood by and watched as her children were devoured one by one but when the time came for the last of her children to be eaten she was unable to bear another such loss, and devised a trick to save her baby, zeus cronos swallowed a stone wrapped in cloth, as a golden eagle took zeus away into the horizon, to an island well beyond the watchful eyes of the titan lord.

worse , there is confirmation the battle was on the same cosmic scale as Ouranus vs Ceto.

Is it true that cronos & uranus had a big cosmic level battle??

Bruno Velazquez : Yes and Cronos won.

Cronos having brually defeated Ouranus is accepted by the bovels , in which he ripped Uranus's balls off even.

Aphrodite had been born from the genitals of Ouranos, when his son Cronos -Zeus's father had ripped them from the elder god's crotch and thrown them in the Mediterranean.The drops of blood had become the Furies-which to Athena had always made considerable sense and the organ itself had been reborn as the infinitely desirable goddess.

Being born from the sea foam, Aphrodite in one sense could be considered not to be part of the family at all, except by marriage as she was wed to Athena's brother Hephaestus. The goddess might be considered only Athena's sister-in-law.

However, she had also been born as the result of an act by Cronos, which in a sense made her a sister of Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades. Which meant that she would be due considerably greater deference.

Finally, she had actually been incarnated from the penis of Ouranos, Zeus's grandfather, which made her Zeus's aunt. Aphrodite herself refused to clarify the complicated genealogy. For her part, Athena avoided the lust goddess whenever possible. Athena's guile was markedly different from Aphrodite's.

eo yes, Cronos quiet literally ripped apart someone who can survive universal punches and contain universes inside his body , now why is Zeus far superior yo Cronos , because Zeus during the Great war quiet literally used the extension of his power aka the Blade of Olympus to one shot the entire titan race with a single blow from the Blade of Olympus, which again is a concentration of Zeus's own godly power

The Great War - Sheltered by the Titan Gaia who nurtured his desire to free his brothers and sisters from Cronos, Zeus grew into a great and powerful god. Returning with vengeance in his heart, he attacked his father, slicing Cronos' belly to free his siblings - Poseidon and Hades, among others. Zeus then led his siblings in to The Great War War against Cronos, Gaia, and all the Titans who stood in his way. The war raged on for hundreds of years, until finally Zeus forged a great weapon from the Heavens and the Earth - the Blade of Olympus. Focusing his godly might into the Blade, Zeus ended The Great War with the Titans in one blow, imprisoning them all in Tartarus, the Depths of the Underworld.

Zeus can even overpower the Blade of Olympus Kratos with his mere hands , meaning Zeus's hands are above the entire titan race.

But Zeus's overwhelming superiority to the Titans is not just that his arms are more powerful then the entire Titan race.

God of war Hades was able to beat Cronos pretty comfortably, he was able to deal with Atlas too whose attacks weren't doing much and regardless Atlas is just a tiny bit physically stronger then Cronos

Now that we can conclude Hades is on par with Atlas while being thousands of years pre prime , as shown here Hades here absorbed Atlas's soul which probably gave Hades a huge boost in power and Hades gets a little stronger everytime he absorbs a soul , so millions of souls combined with Atlas so obviously he got much stronger , but compared to Zeus, even a little of his anger can scare both Hades and Posiedon into retreating.

regarding Helios , Ares is the fourth strongest of the gods , meaning he is automatically more powerful then Helios

While per the novel, the brother kings could effortlessly crush Ares from any spot in the world , something Athena and Posiedon both agree on.

"Swarm my-" His gaze went distant, and what his deific vision found caused him to gasp like a sounding whale. "A Hydra? In my Grave of Ships! The impudence I have told Zeus, again and again, he is far too lenient with his children! Ares should have spent an entire age of the world beside Sisyphus! I am not so forgiving as my brother. I will crush him! Where is he? Where?"

"Far from your realm, my lord uncle-safe in a distant desert."Poseidon roared, raised a fist, and all the world trembled. "Am I called Earthshaker for naught?"

"My lord uncle, please!" Athena cried. "Let not your wrath fall upon him directly! There is no shame in being bested by great Poseidon, ruler of two-thirds of all that is. No lesser god can hope to stand against any of the brother kings. If you truly want to punish Ares, you must smite his pride."

The tremors faded away. "There is truth in this," Poseidon admitted. "But how best to do so?

As Established , Hades and Posiedon are far superior to any other god and can crush them whenever they seek , but both are terrified of Zeus's mere anger and completely submissive to him and its directly stated Zeus would've killed Hades if not for his own decree of not harming other Gods.

"Return to your domain, and let me deal with Kratos and matters of greater import in Olympus."

"You order me away like some scullery maid? I am your brother, Zeus. You cannot—” Hades stepped back and glared as the Sky Father stood and grew until his head brushed the dome of his throne room. His eyes flashed like deadly beacons, and he fought to keep from violating his own decree against one god killing another. Hades read the message in his brother's eyes. Zeus almost laughed when the Lord of the Underworld backed away, then bowed deeply.

"You have your own concerns," Hades said. He looked up, and his submissive attitude

Zeus's lightning is fast enough to perception Blitz Hades countless times , as well as making him step down and stop his actions in fear of the lightning

Hades brought his fist back to strike her but a dazzling lightning bolt rent the air above his head.Hades spun and glared at Zeus. Before he could say a word, a new flash caused Hades to step away. He spun about, rose into the air, and vanished in a sooty tornado. Zeus lowered the hand used to cast his lightning, then made a quick sweeping motion. The ash on the floor disappeared. Athena could not help but notice that the greasy blackness on Zeus' sandals remained when he dropped back onto his throne.

Both Poseidon and Hafes , even together , completely feared casual Lightning Bolts from Zeus.

You mean that I should replace Kratos," Zeus said. He pulled a thunderbolt down and ran it up and down his fingers, then caught the lightning between his thumb and forefinger as he looked up to his brothers. Both drew back, fearing Zeus would unleash his thunderbolt against them.

This flash of fear pleased Zeus. There had been too much dissension between the gods and goddesses he could not turn to his own machinations. Such rebellion could get out of hand.

"I will not allow disobedience. That is why I killed Kratos. He defied me." Zeus billowed up and expanded, forcing both his brothers back to make room. "I will not permit that."

and finally the most insane of them all , Zeus was ready to one shot the entireity of Olympus the moment he heard of any Treachery , Zeus can quiet literally any of the gods whenever he wishes to kill , Iris agreed that he would kill them but believed he shouldn't violate his own decree.

"You want the appearance of it being open to all, but of course it would be you who decides. After all, who is wiser atop Mount Olympus?" Iris moved closer and whispered, "You might use this as a way of seeing who is loyal to you and who is ... less so."

"What's that you say? Who is disloyal?" A thunderbolt formed in his hand. "Tell me the name, and I'll strike them down!"

Iris coyly looked over her shoulder in Athena's direction, then said, "Your edict still stands, Lord of All the Sky and Earth. No god can kill another. You should not exempt yourself from this."

"Why not? I'm king. I can do as I please!"

The Blade of Olympus on touch could effortlessly one shot and dissipate Hades , casual strikes can erase Hades.

"I did nothing but send him to the Underworld," Zeus said, frowning. Was someone meddling? Athena? She knew better than to go against his wishes, though where Kratos was concerned, he felt a growing knot of skepticism. Zeus looked up when Hades growled deep in his throat, more animal than god. He found his brother's ire increasingly difficult to tolerate. He fingered the Blade of Olympus resting against his throne and con- sidered how quickly this problem might be removed. A quick slash and Hades would follow Ares into the sky, dissipated and no longer annoying.

Zeus can even overpower the Blade of Olympus Kratos with his mere hands , meaning Zeus's hands are above the entire titan race and now , we add in the fact it can one shot Hades casually , yet zeus's arm can overpower it , hee can also one shot any of the Titans at once , Aegean of the hundred hands , the Elder brother of Cronos have upper body strength better then Atlas and Cronos , Atlas and Aegean are equal at their primes and Cronos is just a tiny big weaker physically.

Ariel Lawrence : He definitely had much better upper body strength. I would put him as strong as Atlas, and a little stronger than Cronos.

chains made by premordeals were able to completely and utterly overpower Aegean , the chains weren't even scratched in thousands of years , not a single chain was destroyed but Zeus with a casual lightning blast could effortlessly pulverize these chains.

so basically Zeus's energy strength can pulverize Helios or any other God the moment he wishes it , his Lightning can one shot Hades and Poseidon who in turn can instantly one shot Ares who is far more powerful then Helios , Zeus would effortlessly and laughably one shot Helios and Morpheus and thus would scale to Multiversal as I proved them both to be Multiversal.

physically Zeus can overpower the Blade of Olympus which with casual swings can one shot Hades who is ~ Atlas and Cronos just physically , Zeus's strength would pulverize and dissipate Atlas and Hercules at any moment , making his physical strength also scale to Multiversal.

thus Zeus is a multiversal being via both Energy and physicals.

Swiftness Of The Sky Father...

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this section isn't gonna be as big as the others simply because the placement here is the easiest MFTL+++ placement you're gonna find anywhere , regardless we first need to know what the nine realms are , easy they are seprate universes as they are called universes. and not just normal universes and the 9 Realms the Yggdrasil encompass , are separatespace-time ( Credit to Bruhmomento for this part )The Valkyries now are so fast they can zip zap through the 9 universes instantly , if two fights are happening they're gonna be able to attend both fights in completely different universes at the same time , they're so quick they can pretty much be at two different universes , physically , and not miss anything about the battle because she is fast enough to zip zap between the universes at such a pace that she can completely view both battles.

16:00-16:42

Mimir describes the speed of the Valkyries, in particular Gunnr, who was always the first to arrive to do her job.

Gunnr is so fast that she visits the scene of any and every conflict to find out who is worthy to go to Valhalla. So every time there is a fight she is on the scene right after . This is a great speed feat because fights happen all the time, and across realms too (and time passes differently in each realm), and yet she can still visit the scene of each and ever fight. And example of Gunnr's multi-tasking speed comes from the GoW Lost Pages podcast episode 2:

this is just one Valkyrie, another one is capable of reaching any warrior the moment they start dying , two warriors can die at once in difference universes, she would be able to instantly reach either and take them to asgard without any noticeable delay.

4:35-7:04

A non-descript, unknown warrior is killed in battle in the opening narration here, and a Valkyrie comes flying down to personally collect his soul. Considering this wasn't even a known warrior, and there could likely be many deaths at similar intervals of time, and across realms, this is an immense multi-tasking speed feat, especially because the narration says "The valkyries were sent to warriors on their final breath."So that sets that time frame that as soon as a warrior takes their final breath, the valkyrie would be there to collect them, a warrior might be dying in midgard at the same time another warrior may be dying in vanaheim for example, and valkyries would have to have the speed to visit and collect them both of them without any noticeable delay.

this shows us the Valkyries can almost instantly Traverse entire universes , at will at any given time.now some people like to write off the Valkyries having this immensely MFTL+++ speed feat as mere Bitfrost teleportation , but Bitfrost.... Teleportation is regarding the Aesir gods and not the Valkyries? Unlike the Aesir, The Valkyries use the bitfrost only for summoning weapons and materializing things, their usage of bitfrost is vertabim stated to be unique aka seprate and different from the conventional Aesir and other Bitfrost users , thus its unique compared to other users.

"We were told that when Kratos and Atreus use the Bifrost, it's very physical, and they're still learning it. The Valkyires, though, have mastered it, and that's why you see them use a variety of weapons so quickly, so when you see them in combat you'll see they come down with clubs or projectile weapons with a sickle flawlessly" "The Valkyries' unique usage of the Bifrost in this way was important to the rest of their design as it would dictate what toolkit was used. Raf mentioned, "That was something we really tried to play into with the design as well…how we were going to utilize the Bifrost, which was being designed at the same time that these characters were being created. Even the weapons could be materialized and pulled from different realms. All of this was being played into, the combat designers and us - working closely with them to make the characters.'"

we've a direct scene of the Valkyrie multi tasking ,and it clearly describes physical movement while giving directions of where the Valkyries were positioned and were coming from as well as " escorting away " which implies they are leaving the scene physically and in process of leaving and thus the continous present tense usage , clearly both the process of reaching the scene and taking soul to valhalla is being done physically due to present continous tense.

The Lost Podcasts describe a warrior in the GoW world being escorted by a Valkyrie, and it explicitly describes the Valkyrie as "approaching him from afar" in his peaceful slumber and "escorting him away", this clearly implies physical movement as opposed to teleportation.

and finally , lets look at the actual game, which clear cut potrays it as movement and not some Bitfrost teleportation hax.

In the actual games its directly shown to us that they move as shown in the Great Void/Birthplace of creation as they are clearly moving physically toward Kratos and Atreus and aren't using Bitfrost to traverse realms , and that is about it for the usage of Bitfrost to discard the Valk's speed feats , as both Narrative and Visual contradicts it.

now As we've proven completely that the Valkyries are immensely MFTL+++ , fast enough to instaneously travel entire universes and cover the immense Yggdrasil distance between them , utterly immensely MFTL+++ to the point they can be argued to be the highest in that said tier , they can still be outpaced by Kratos , dame Kratos that Hermes quiet literally toyed with and same Hermes was perception blitzed by a casual holding back Lightning blast from Zeus.

Zeus snapped out of his reverie. "Who, Hermes, who on Olympus gave him the Pegasus?""I cannot say. No one has mentioned such a scheme to me.'"You're lying. You know! Why do you refuse to tell me?"“I speak of only the things I witnessed with my own eyes,” protested Hermes nervously. “I swear, Father, I would have told you!""Quiet!" Zeus opened his hand and loosed the thunderbolt. It crackled and then exploded, sending Hermes tumbling backward in the air, feet-over-head. “I will not tolerate your lies.”"It is my sworn duty to tell only the truth when delivering an official message," Hermes said, fighting to regain his composure. “While no other god or goddess entrusted this message to me, I vouch for its truth."

so via Common scaling, Zeus's casual Lightning blasts can perception blitz beings that toy with Kratos , same Kratos can fight the Valkyrie who are fast enough to instantly traverse entire universes and the distances between them instantly and effortlessly , as that clearly shows us that Zeus is way too high in MFTL+ for us to properly calculate , but yes as the scaling clearly shows , Zeus casually perception blitz beings who blitz beings that can instantly and effortessly travel universes and the distance between them , making Zeus's casual energy attacks likely sextillions of times higher then light, and thus putting him in an insane degree of MFTL+.

The Great Evils that command reality....

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In The Beginning There was Darkness......the darkness was a void of Instability, a void of pure nothingness , a void called Chaos the first being in creation , Chaos birthed more Premordeals named Ouranus , what are the premordeals though? they are abstract concepts of nature , beings that predate the creation of reality and time and reside in such realms where they disort time and view and exist in their own version of the realms.

The Tale of Morpheus among the seldom spoken-of Elder Gods in the ancient history of the World, few come close to being as worshipped as Morpheus. records hold it that Morpheus is one of the protocenoi, the first order of Gods who have existed since before the creation of Time itself and who represent the quintessential abstractions of Nature.Morpheus is dream incarnate, and is often depicted by ancient poets as the son of nyx, the night itself. as one of the relics of what the world once was, Morpheus resides in a bizarre world of Eternal night and dreams where imagination and reality converge and time is distorted, often thought of as the other side of the coin to our dimension.

These abstract concepts of the universe such as Life , Heavens , Mountains e.t.c. , who are unbound by reality as shown above they completely control reality subjectively and predate the conceptualization of time itself , these complex abstract concepts are still governed by superior concepts , The Great Evils and the Premordeals , even as complexily conceptual they are , are still inferior to Great evils and ran by them , the Premordeals were controlled by the concepts of madness , war and rage , the great evils.

before the Gods of Olympus, a great battle was waged. The wrath of the Primordials, the very beings who forged the Earth, raged out of control for an eternity. And from this rage, this madness of war, the Furies were brought forth.

as shown above, the Great Evils forged Reality , universes and all via the battle of the Premordeals , as shown as The Great evils are superior to complex abstract concepts , controlling and shaping the reality from bbeginning , this is not the only example of the Great evils controlling and shaping reality from beginning , Fear shaped the second Skyfather aka Chronos , who felt Greed for the Skyfather position and the fear that Ouranus had of his power shaped both their actions , Ouranus's toward Cronos , and Cronos toward Zeus.

Because of fear, Kratos! A fear felt by his father, Cronos. A fear that brought the Great War, a fear that drove Zeus to kill you, his own son! Just as Zeus was compelled to destroy his father, Cronos, you are compelled to do the same! No son should destroy his own father.

These evils that caused the Premordeal war , and then the Great war , who governed the Premordeals and Cronos , weren't able to govern Zeus who saw and recongnized these evil concepts , as Hephaetus explains , the evils of the Great war , these Premordeal abstract concepts were gathered by Zeus to seal into Pandora's box.

The evils of the Great War could not easily be contained. I forged the box in a power greater than the Gods themselves, the Flame of Olympus. As the raw metal took shape, I realized the Flame was the safest place to protect it. The lock was set. All that was needed was a key, a way to retrieve the box. Created from the very Heart of the Flame, the key took on a life of its own. Pandora. A child. Neither living nor dead.

once unleashed, these concepts effected and turned Zeus into literal fear.

When you opened the box, you released the evils to the Gods. Infected them. Changed them. Zeus himself fell prey to the dark evils - this is why he became so enraged and obsessed with your death. He was consumed by the evil, Fear. I thought the power I placed in the box was never released. All these years I assumed you drew from the evils inside to destroy Ares. But I was wrong…"

Fear of these Dark Evils of Nature , these conceptual things predating reality , predating and overloarding even over the abstract concepts of nature , led to Athena herself summoning the most powerful concept of all , Hope and placing them in the box.as confirmed here , Zeus sealed the evil in the box , Athena gathered and sealed Hope itself.

When Zeus gathered all the evils and placed them in the box, I dreaded what would happen if it was opened again. And so, I summoned the most powerful weapon in the World and placed it inside the box.

Hope is the most powerful concept in all of creation , far more powerful then even fear that has shaped all things , even the premordeals , hope allowed him to overcome a fear that had become one with Zeus.

From the box, you gained a strength that Zeus could never destroy, a strength great enough to overcome Fear. Locked deep inside you, Kratos, is Hope. It has remained buried, trapped by your guilt and the failures of your past."

we've a visual of Zeus and Athena controlling this complex multiversal unbound concepts

as clearly shown here , Zeus , Athena and such could effortlessly manipulate the greater concepts , concepts above abstract concepts predating time and reality , Zeus and Athena could easily interact with and manipulate them , showing they can control these concepts , and even physically interact with them as Zeus is showing seeing and gathering them in his palm.

what does this mean? Zeus's attacks work on a conceptual level , a conceptual level beyond abstract concepts that predate the conceptualization of time itself , beyond even unbound Multiversal concepts , so if he hits you and you don't possess Resistance to conceptual manipulation of the highest level , you're dying , regeneration doesn't mean anything either due to unbound multiversal concept manipulation.

The Flames and Blade of Olympus....

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Olympus is surely an intresting mountain , isn't it? Born from the Blood of chaos , it has a flame , a flame strengthened over time , a flame with powers dwarving that of even the Olympians themselves with the sole exception of Zeus, but to understand the powers of the blade and the Flame , we just understand the power of Styx , a river that Instantly kills anything that it touches , except Kratos.

THE RIVER STYX-Styx is probably the best known of the great rivers of the underworld. The ancient river's water has various magical properties , Foremost, it would normally slay any being that drank from it . However, Kratos is hardly a normal being, and his thirst for vengeance drives him on

as shown Above , Kratos can effortlessly resist death manipulation but when compared to The Flame of Olympus, his resistance is nothing

the Flame of Olympus - Death awaits all who touch the flame, God or Mortal,yet even this power pales against that which is protected in its core.

as shown above , The Flame of Olympus can instantly kill even the Gods themselves , but........the Gods have a complex immortality , where death itsrlf has no claim over any of the gods until their power is drained meaning even transcendence over death itself is not enough to do anything to the Death hax the flame has.

for example , even Pandora can die to the flame of Olympus per touching the flame itself at around 1:35:00 , why is Pandora dying to the flame of Olympus unique? because Pandora isn't a being bound by life and death and isn't alive or dead either.

The evils of the Great War could not easily be contained. I forged the box in a power greater than the Gods themselves, the Flame of Olympus. As the raw metal took shape, I realized the Flame was the safest place to protect it. The lock was set. All that was needed was a key, a way to retrieve the box. Created from the very Heart of the Flame, the key took on a life of its own. Pandora. A child. Neither living nor dead.

the fact that even the gods can die upon touch with the flame of Olympus means that even the concepts of wisdom and reason, that are embodied by Athena can die upon contact with the Flame of Olympus.

ATHENA - Athena is the daughter of Zeus. She is a fierce and brave warrior. She is the Goddess of the city of Athens and is the embodiment of Wisdom, reason, and purity

all in all , The flame of Olympus is an overpowered Death Manipulation hax that doesn't care whether you exist outside the cycle of life and death like pandora , transcend death itself like most of the gods or are the embodiment of fundamental concepts such as wisdom , it will kill you if it touches you , why does it matter? because Zeus freely manipulates the Flame of Olympus, even giving random fodder humans weaoons he personally embues with the flame of olympus.

Blade of Zeus - an artifact scorched in the flames of Olympus that has a very small portion of Zeus's godly might

Practically, Zeus has a conceptual death hax , that ignores resistance layers as well as ignoring whether you are outside life and death or if Death itself has no claim over you like with the olympians.

now we go on to the bigger hax , the Blade of Olympus , the most powerful weapon in the Heavens and Earth , the power of Blade of Olympus allows one to Null godhood itself , and turn Immortal Gods who are unbound by the hands of death , mortal as well as killing them on spot.

Kratos growled and shoved Athena to the side to finish the killing he had begun. Zeus would die! Kratos lunged, but Zeus had already begun his retreat, his feet leaving the ground and his body soaring high into the clouds. But Kratos' blade did not lack a target. The Blade of Olympus ran Athena through. “Athena, no!" The blade began draining her of her godly power. “Why do you sacrifice yourself?" "To save Olympus.” "I do not think to destroy Olympus. Only Zeus!" She reached up, her hand gentle as she rested it on his shoulder, then his cheek. "Zeus is Olympus.” She coughed up blood and sagged. Kratos cradled her as he guided her gently to the ground "He brought this to himself." "He did it because of fear, Kratos, a fear felt by his father, Cronos. A fear that brought the Great War, a fear that drove Zeus to kill you . his own son.' Her fingers slipped across Kratos' cheek and then away, limp as death approached" "His son?" "Just as Zeus was compelled to destroy his father, Cronos, you are compelled to do the same. No son should destroy his own father."

this is the same Athena who is a god and thus death have no claims on her , the same Athena that Is the embodiment of Wisdom and Reason who got one shotted by the power nullification of The Blade of Olympus , but this isn't it......

Athena due to her sacrifice was able to transcend to a higher dimension , only she did because her death was for a selfless cause.

Athena has now become not only a concept but a higher dimensional concept , and even now the Blade of Olympus would easily one shot Athena as she was extremely worried that she would die if the Blade of Olympus hits her , she is dead.

as Shown here , The Blade of Olympus can erase Higher Dimensional concepts with its swings like it was going to completely destroy Athena once and for all , her godhood was likely gonna get nullified too , safe to say the Blade of Olympus can nullify and erase higher dimensional concepts , why does this matter? first of all the blade of Olympus is a mere extension of Zeus's power , its a blade infused with Zeus's own Godly might.

The Great War - Sheltered by the Titan Gaia who nurtured his desire to free his brothers and sisters from Cronos, Zeus grew into a great and powerful god. Returning with vengeance in his heart, he attacked his father, slicing Cronos' belly to free his siblings - Poseidon and Hades, among others. Zeus then led his siblings in to The Great War War against Cronos, Gaia, and all the Titans who stood in his way. The war raged on for hundreds of years, until finally Zeus forged a great weapon from the Heavens and the Earth - the Blade of Olympus. Focusing his godly might into the Blade, Zeus ended The Great War with the Titans in one blow, imprisoning them all in Tartarus, the Depths of the Underworld.

the dialogue between Athena and Kratos suggest the power of Hope and fear was still superior to ascended Athena , as Athena demands she is given the power back and Blade of Olympus can still easily destroy Athena when Zeus was overpowering even the blade , all in all the Great evils are likely superior to higher dimensional concepts like ascended Athena.

so just like the Blade of Olympus , Zeus himself can nullify and destroy/erase higher dimensional concepts , as the Blade is just his power focused into the blade that he forged , so on top of manipulating deep dark premordeal concepts which govern permordeal concepts which in turn predate reality and time and are abstract. he can also nullify and erase higher dimensional concepts like ascended Athena.

furthur confirming that Zeus's power operates on a pretty complex conceptual level where he can easily gather/seal/nullify/erase higher dimensional concepts and the Great Evils.

The Masters of Creation....

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The Gods in God of War , rule the entireity of the Universe and its afterlife and manipulate reality ar their Whim , do not believe me? let me give you an example of that , here we see Ares simply create and Teleport Kratos to a realm that was completely under the control of Ares , every single facet , the giant Galactic disc spinning at MFTL+ to everything here. and this control goes onto the Novel

but you may ask , this looks like pretty blunt Mind Manipulation , is it mind Manipulation however? no , as the Novel confirms , the vortex actually pulled Kratos in and Ares teleported away in a light.

Ares fired a massive fireball that whirled and spun and formed a vortex so powerful, it sucked up everything around it. Kratos cried out, but his other self was sucked into the tornado. Ares threw back his head and laughed, then vanished in a sheet of lambent light.

Ares's complete control over the dimension , easily spinning the galaxy at MFTL+ , Summoning Kratos's family , summoning all those clones with the same abilities and powers as Kratos e.t.c.

was when Ares's javelin column had pinned him to the door of the Temple of Pandora

. "By the gods, can this be real?""Kratos?" his wife said. "Have you come to take us home?"The wall of the temple suddenly shimmered, rippling as if it was no longer wholly a material thing, and out through that shimmer stepped...Kratos.His younger self, the Kratos of a decade past, came striding into the temple to slay everything that moved.

HE PUT HIMSELF between his family and his younger self.His younger self came at him with the efficient, straight-ahead style that had been his trademark. Every step was a strike. Every strike was a step. His younger self was faster and stronger than Kratos was now-but strength and speed were never the only elements of victory.The air sizzled with the song of the Blades of Chaos.

As they flashed around him, opening small cuts across his body, Kratos discovered he didn't like being on this side of the blades.The next time Young Kratos hurled a blade outward to whip through the air, Old Kratos stepped inside the strike and caught the blade by the chain. Its heat seared his hands, but he didn't care. He was used to pain.

To win back his family, he could endure anything.He grabbed the blade's haft and yanked with all his might. His strength threw Young Kratos into the air, but his younger self was fully as agile as he'd ever been. Instead of tumbling helplessly, Young Kratos turned his flight into a pounce, the other blade raised for the kill.Old Kratos guessed it must have come as a considerable shock to Young Kratos when his weapon arm was severed at the elbow, so that his hand, blade, and chain all fell harmlessly to the floor.

Old Kratos mercifully spared him any additional shocks by slicing his skull into two pieces."Are you watching. Ares? You took them once. I will never lose them again!" As if in reply, spots on the temple walls shimmered again. Three of them.From each one, a young, strong, fresh Kratos stalked forward. Kratos cursed Ares as he swung his Blades of Chaos at the trio of himself."One at a time would have been too easy." As the three advanced on his family, Kratos felt his uncontrollable bloodlustreturn, fed by the familiar Blades of Chaos in his grip.

Ares was able to effortlessly take all the magic and powers from Kratos at a whim , not only nullifying all his equipment and hax/magic but also nullifying all his powers.

The fires in his heart burned hotter than the Blades of Chaos ever could.

"You should have been stronger."

Kratos could only howl with incoherent fury."Now you will have no power. No magic. No weapon."

Invisible hands seized the blades and yanked them from his grip. They surged away from each other, cranking his arms wide, stretching them out as though he was being broken on a wheel, harder and harder, until his shoulders screamed in pain, as though his arms would rip from their sockets.

At the last, his flesh gave way before his joints did.

The chains ripped free, shredding his arms, leaving the blackened tatters trailing smoke.

Ares effortessly Took Kratos's magic, this is confirmed by the game too.

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and then after Torturning Kratos with his past family and the multiple clones , Ares effortessly seemingly straight up erased the dimension, making it dissapear.

At the last, his flesh gave way before his joints did.

The chains ripped free, shredding his arms, leaving the blackened tatters trailing smoke. "All that is left for you is... death!" With that final word from the God of War, the burning temple disappeared around Kratos.

The point here is to show Ares is capable of effortlessly creating a seemingly universal Dimension , easily reality warp and completely control it , easily use Reality manipulation to power null everything Kratos has including his attack potency , and then just make the dissapear with a word , making Ares a universal Reality warper and Zeus is far superior magically to Ares.

but this is not it , similar to what my partner showerd , albeit in my case its inferior , The God of war 2010 comics give us some extremely metaphysical feats for the Gods , Posiedon is likely the most magically inferior of the Brother Kings , and he was able to see reality as a mere projection, he caused a mere whirlpool in the projection in the underworld , and the exact same effect done to the projection carried over to the Reality itself , and Posiedon didn't cast a spell of leave and go to the realm , but merely effecting the projection in Hades had the same effect on reality as it had on projection.

as the above example shows , the Gods are capable of vieweing reality itself as a mere projection , and manipulating that projection effects the universe in the same way , but enough talk about projection of reality in Hades , lets go to the Big man himself , Hades , likely on par with Zeus in magic , Hades is human sized yet he fired a mere small fireball on the projection , and the fireball actually rained as massive city block sized meteors on the world.

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as this clearly shows , the effect done to the projection, went off to the real world , the gods if wish can view reality as a mere projection and how they would effect that projection would effect reality itself , its almost like a Reality>fiction layer without actually being a reality>fiction layer , while the gods don't get the higher dimensional power of the R>F layers they have reality warping thats akin to Reality>fiction layers , capable of vieweing reality as a mere projection and the effects done on it carrying onto the reality that its showing.

so basically Zeus has universal reality warping via Ares , range for it and the abilities include creation , power mimicry , power nullification, soul manipulation ( via kratos's family ) and then erasure and then have the ability to do some R>F/subjective reality style reality Manipulation without actually having such a layer.

Other Godly Powers.....

Law Manipulation

First of all , one of the Best powers Zeus have is Law Manipulation , with a thought he was able to strip Prometheus of all his powers and turn him into a thing , that no matter how brutally slaughtered would always ressurect , and nothing in the entire multiverse with the exception of the fire of Pardition can kill him permanently, zeus effortlessly made it a law that nothing in the entire Greek cosmos , even death itself aka Thanatos can destroy Promotheus , a classic example of Cosmologcal ( which in this sense are many universes ) scale law Manipulation.

Kratos watched as the organs that had been yanked free from Prometheus' innards slithered back into place. The missing intestine regenerated and curled up dutifully like rope coiled by an able seaman on a ship's deck. When all the insides were restored, the belly and chest flesh slapped up into place. Soon Prometheus was entirely healed, not even a scar showing where the merciless gutting had occurred. Prometheus let out a scream of pure agony and arched his back as he fought his shackles. His eyes flew open, and he gasped for air.

"The healing is worse than the death, but worse still is to awake knowing that I have nothing ahead but pain and suffering," he said, panting harshly. He looked down at Kratos. "Please, Ghost of Sparta, release me from my torment."

Kratos stared at Prometheus for a moment before coming to a decision. How he had suffered at Zeus' hand! Seeing another who similarly suffered and demanded only surcease directed Kratos' hand. He would give a wounded comrade grace in battle. Prometheus should be afforded no less. Kratos stepped forward, his blades whining in the cold air. Sparks jumped away from the iron shackles as he severed one link after another.

Kratos stepped away as Prometheus tumbled forward, but Kratos quickly saw he had not freed the man. Prometheus slid through the statue's fingers and dangled from the chain above a giant bowl ablaze with an eternal flame. "The only way to kill me, Kratos, is to burn me in the Flames of Perdition!" Prometheus kicked feebly as he dangled above the fire. He strained to set himself on fire but could not accomplish this self- immolation.

as shown , Zeus can easily tamper and create Laws throughout the entire God of war Greek Cosmology.

Immortality

Zeus, just like the other immortals , is beyond the hands of death aka Thanatos and to be killed , just like Kratos would need to have his divine power itself drained or nullified otherwise death has no claim , infact , the Gods have a complex immortality , where the hands of death itself has no claim over any of the gods until their power is drained , if they are an immortal god in GOW then they can only be killed by Other Immortal Gods , conventionally death has zero claim over them.

Soul Manipulation

Zeus could effortlessly intervene and BFR souls to underworld by mere gestures, without even putting that much effort he did it , ripped the soul and sent it to underworld.

Athena caught her breath as Ares appeared on the battlefield and began to crush Athenians under his sandal. Zeus gestured, and the view dissolved to a vision of Kratos sprinting up the long roadway toward the top of the Acropolis, just as a mortal woman failed to save her infant from a harpy and another harpy snatched up the woman and savaged her with its talons. "That woman is one of your worshippers!" Athena pointed at the bleeding woman. "Do you see?" Zeus frowned. "Indeed. In fact, she's a priestess that little building of hers is an inn, consecrated to me in my Zeus Philoxenos role." "He thinks to destroy my worshippers," she said. "Are you certain this priestess of yours was an accident? Perhaps be has aspirations for a higher throne." "Please, dear child." Zeus thrust out his finger and touched the woman just as the harpy ripped out her spine. The ruler of the gods sighed and drew back his finger, now dotted with a single drop of water from the viewing pool. He turned and flicked the water droplet high into the air. It caught a ray of sunlight, turned into a rainbow, then vanished. "There," he said, looking satisfied. "She will be well judged by Acacus at the gates of the underworld." "Why do you intercede in this way for a simple mortal worshipper, when you won't allow me to intercede for my thousands?" Zeus's eyes flashed. "Because I can."

Curse Manipulation

Zeus can effortlessly curse beings to do as he says for all eternity , even though the being is conscious and knows what he is doing , even if he hates this fate , he can never leave.

"That I did, and I'm sorry for it now. I was the first mortal to enter the temple. And so I was the first to die. As punishment for my presumption, Zeus doomed me to tend this corpse fire for all eternity-or until Pandora's Box is taken. Which is close enough to eternity, for no man will ever gain the box."

Madness Manipulation

Zeus can summon Sirens to sing , as many Sirens as needed , these Sirens are capable of singing songs that induce madness upon the one who hears them.

Originally inhabiting an island in the sea, the Sirens once used their enchanting voices and beautiful songs to lure those seeking Pandora's Box to their death. Their appearance has never been revealed for no one who saw them has ever lived to tell the tale. Unlike their beautiful and much younger siblings, these Siren Widows are wretched and disfigured possessing deadly twisted claws in addition to the ability to scream a song that can drive mortals med.

Conclusions....

I'm gonna do a short recap of my points.

  • Zeus is far superior to Helios and Morpheus , Helios passively stopping and undoing all of Morpheus's actions while Morpheus effortessly entire multiverses together in the mere absence of Helios , Helios is an one shottable fodder to the titans and just like any other God , would get one shotted by Posiedon and Hades even if far away from their domain.
  • Zeus could one shot magical chains that Aegean completely immobilized , same Aegean who is as powerful as Atlas.
  • Atlas holds the multiverse but is only a little stronger then Cronos , Cronos was overpowered Handily By Hades , Hades can be one shotted by a casual swing from Blade of Olympus, Zeus overpowered Blade of Olympus by hand thus allowing Zeus to likely one shot Cronos and Atlas physically.
  • Zeus can perception blitz Hermes , who can blitz Kratos/Valkyries who zip zap throughout the multiverse all the time.
  • Zeus can easily one shot the entireity of Olympus with his Lightning.
  • Zeus has the ability to manipulate the Great evils , concepts that govern abstract concepts that predate time and reality and manipulate them at will (Morpheus/Nyx realms )
  • The flame of Olympus can instantly kill beings who resist death hax and even instantly kill beings that embody concepts , Zeus manipulates the flame.
  • The Blade power null any god , even conceptual ones of their powers and could erase even Ascended Athena who is a higher dimensional concept.
  • Zeus can create laws over the entire multiverse, such as when he did regarding prometheus and made him completely invulnerable to all abilities except the flame of Pardition.
  • Zeus can instantly BFR souls to different dimensions.
  • Zeus can reality warp on an universal scale given his obvious magical superiority to Ares.
  • Zeus is capable of vieweing reality as a mere projection and effect reality the same way one would effect that projection , giving his obvious magical superiority to Poseidon and Hades.
  • Zeus , just like the other gods , is beyond the hands of death aka he literally cannot be claimed by death until killed by another god.

in simpler terms.

  • Zeus has Multiversal energy projection and Multiversal physicals as explained in the first section.
  • Zeus can effortlessly perception blitz beings that can instantly and effortlessly move to different universes.
  • Zeus has conceptual hax even better then abstract concepts that aoply over the Multiverse and predate time/reality.
  • Zeus has conceptual death hax which bypasses resistance as well as killing beings that death have no claim over and are embodiments of concepts.
  • Zeus has the blade of Olympus which can power nullify even the gods like Athena who are conceptual embodiment of wisdom and reason , and then erase even transcended Athena who is downright a higher Dimensional concept , the blade of Olympus is a mere concentration of Zeus's own power.
  • Zeus has Law Manipulation with multiversal range.
  • Zeus can effortlessly BFR souls to different dimension/universes.
  • Zeus is unbound by conventional death and can only be killed by a God, has deathless immortality.
  • Zeus can reality warp on a universal scale , and can view reality as a projection and effect reality the same way he effects the projection.

Afterthoughts....

Sorry for the Humongous posts , God of war generally causes a lot of controversy on this site and as I didn't want the doubters to question my post I simply decided to post mountains and mountains worth of evidence for my stance and the general complexity of the verse led to the size of the post , I hope you've enjoyed the read as I've worked rather hard on this post , the thread would soon be updated to remove thor and use Zeus at his place as I believed Zeus's clear cut magical superiority would make the CAV more interesting considering Galactus himself is pretty good as far as abilities goes , me changing to Zeus was supported and accepted by all three members of the CAV , sorry if you were expecting a Thor post but I would likely CAV Thor in the future regardless but for now I hope you enjoy the post.

Thank You for reading...

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Our Posts are up , I hope you all enjoy our posts , Thor has been replaced By Zeus per the consent of the all three debaters for reasons I would explain furthur only if Asked , but yes these are posts from our end.

@cosmicemperor said:

Taep

@nixtollo said:

TAEP.

@uncannyrewind said:

taep

@akz said:

hmm.

TAEP

@akz said:

cri

@heykorby said:

TAEP/T4V

@cryolancer47 said:

TAEP

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TAEP

@sauce_god31 said:

Taep

@xzone said:

Please TAEP

@rac95 said:

TAEP

@mike_strike10 said:

I better see my boy Big G reped correctly. TAEP.

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Sucks my tags aren't working, but still try to taep

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TAEP

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TAEP

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TAEP

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TAEP

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Taep

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Damn....I don't know whether to be impressed by the level of detail and effort put in both posts or be put off by the sheer volume of info I now have read .

But either way though well done on such well made post

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I refuse to read that much.

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@heiqn: Yes , why? I don't see anything new from you in my Inbox.

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Damn, very nice detailed posts. Will be interesting to see the counters. Great work

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#33  Edited By heiqn

Great openings, I read both posts, I didn't know Mori Jin was that powerful lol... I've never read / watched TGOHS. now I realize many matchups weren't fair at all lol, especially the ones with Dragon Ball chars.

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TAEP and sheesh that Zeus photo is Clean.

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TAEP. Looking forward to seeing Big G in action!

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#36  Edited By thenamelessone
@mike_strike10 said:

TAEP. Looking forward to seeing Big G in action!

.....You already TAEPed once Mikey , we know you're excited for Big G but still smh.

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Can’t wait for Shirso’s respondent post to be just as long. Great stuff from the both of you as always.

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Taep, this is already a nice read.

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Them scan-dumps though

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#44  Edited By TheWatcherKing

Shirso should’ve grabbed one stronger character for less work rather than repping two, tag tho

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Looks interesting

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This is supposed to be fair?