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Extraordinary CaV: Zeus(TheNamelessOne) and Mori Jin(EstrellaDeLeon) vs COIE Anti Monitor and Galactus(Shirso)
@shirso@thenamelessone Do I go first?
Yes.
@estrelladeleon: I go last , you two decide one and two
My brothers. We were forged in victory. A victory that ended the Great War and brought forth the reign of Mt. Olympus. Born from the depths of the Underworld, rooted in the River of Souls, our mountain emerged out of the chaos. As it grew, so too did the might of the Olympians. We created a world of peace, a world of prosperity. A world that lives in the shadow and safety of my mountain. A mountain that has come to be the absolute measure of strength and power. Now, on this day, that power is to be tested. The mortal, Kratos, seeks to destroy all that I have wrought. Brothers, put aside the petty grievances that have splintered us for so long. We will unite, we will stand together, and I will wipe out this plague! Olympus will prevail!
Zeus addressing the Olympians during the second Titanomarchy
Zeus : The Lord of Heavens and Earth....
Zeus is the main antagonist of the Greek era of the God of War series. He was the youngest child of the Titan King, Cronos, who ascended to become the King of Olympus and the God of the Sky, Thunder, Lightning, and the Heavens.He acted as an minor ally in God of War before serving as the main antagonist of both God of War II and God of War III, and was the biological father of most of the gods of Olympus and many famous demigods such as Hercules, Perseus, Peirithous and even the Spartan warrior Kratos as well as his brother Deimos.
Zeus serves as the King of Olympians and the absolute measure of strength in God of War's Greek Cosmos, the absolute Olympian, the Forger and wielder of the Blade of Olympus and in general , by far the most powerful being during the Greek saga of God of War.
History...
In the Beginning there was Darkness , in the Beginning there was nothing more then a Void named Chaos , the Big Bang in God of war wasn't the expansion of any universes but rather then expansion of the Void of Chaos , and this expansion birthed beings known as the Premordeals , one of the Premordeals was the son of Chaos , Uranus but Uranus and his brothers and sisters didn't go well together and thus began the premordeal war , a war born out of pure rage , fear , hate and anger. This war led to the universe being created from Uranus's body.
Uranus was the victor of the Great War , defeating his brothers and sisters in a war that forged the very universe , the war ended with Uranus stablizing Chaos and bringing Order to it and becoming the first skyfather, but upon becoming skyrather , Uranus was consumed by Fear , fear of being overthrown the same way he had overthrown his creator , Chaos , due to this Fear Uranus ended up sealing his own Son Cronos in Tartarus.
once Uranus grew tyrannical, his wife , Gaia decided to free Cronos , Cronos attacked his father with epic Fury, in a battle of cosmic scale Cronos quiet literally ripped his fathers balls apart and then went on to tear his father to pieces , Cronos upon defeating his father became the Second Skyfather.
Cronos , just like Uranus , was consumed by fear when informed his own children would overthrow him the same way he had overthrown his father , Uranus. this fear led to Cronos quiet literally sealing his children and imprisoning them into his own stomach , but when it came to the final child , the Child was sent away by his mother and cronos devoured a little rock , The child was Zeus.
Once a Young Zeus realized of Cronos's sins of eating his own Children , he fought Cronos with great fury , slashing open his belly and freeing Poseidon and Hades , this led to a hundred year long Great War between the Titans and the Gods which ended with Hades and Posiedon finally defeating Cronos and Atlas and then Zeus arriving and one shotting the entire Titan race via using an extension of his own power , The Blade of Olympus.
his victory allowed Zeus to become the Third and Final Skyfather , as the Skyfather , unlike his predecessors Zeus was able to finally see the Cycle and realized the cause of the Cycle , The Great Evils , these evils that have shaped reality itself since the very beginning of reality , from the Premordeal war to the Great war , the evils such as Fear/Gluttony/Likely the seven deadly sins , Hate , Greed , Rage all these evils had been shaping reality to cause all this chaos since the very beginning , Zeus ended up sealing these evils in Pandora's box , Athena also sealed Hope inside the Pandora's box as a counter measure against the Evils.
Years later , when Kratos opened Pandora's box he ended up unleashing the Great Evils upon the world again , Fear consumed Zeus and he became as paranoid and tyrannical as Cronos and Uranus , Fear of Kratos led to Zeus killing his own son in cold blood , Kratos developed fury and hatred that allowed him to overthrow the olympians and destroy the world itself..
Kratos vs Zeus in their final fight may seem like just an extension of the cycle of Patricide and overthrowing of skyfathers , a son consumed by wraith vs a father who created that very wraith via his own paranoia , but the final battle was of Hope and Fear himself , two abstract concepts battling for the future of reality.
Kratos's power of hope finally overcomes the power of fear that Zeus was infused with , and finally ending the cycle of the Skyfathers and their sons as well as ending the Rule of Olympus , and that was the end for the King of Olympians as well.
The King Of the Gods....
Zeus is the King of the Gods and in this section we're going to establish Zeus is the most powerful being in the Greek Myths by a Huge Margin , but before we must establish some of the Normal scaling of the verse , where the normal Olympians and Titans scale.
The Premordeals.
this scene is confirmed to have created the universe and all the galaxies via multiple statements.
Patrick Murphy : Absolutely. Whats your question?
Pattrick Murphy : yes , they did create the unicverse, *universe
and Now By Ariel Lawrence
we've in universe confirmation that Ouranus gave life to the universe , from the son of Ouranus and Gaia , Gyges.
Sired by Uranus, he who gave life to the Universe.
Gyges furthur calls Uranus the father of the universe.
this World is the birthright Of we who were born to the son of Chaos,Father of the Universe.
and finally , Gyges confirming Ouranus created the universe.
then with your death, we will once again rule all that our Father Created
already we have a premordeal as Universal at the bare minimum with a single punch, But Ouranus survived this punch and went on to marry Gaia , meaning Ouranus is already universal in durability , he also became the skyfather and seemingly the king in general. Ouranus lived onto meeting his children.
as shown , Ouranus survived and became a Tyrannacal of the universe.Ouranus is powerful enough to survive having universal punches thrown to his face and having literal universes inside of him , but Cronos LITERALLY ripped him apart,per the directors , Cronos ripped Ouranus to pieces , this is stated at around 8 minute mark
Cronos having defeated Ouranus is confirmed by multiole timelines
worse , there is confirmation the battle was on the same cosmic scale as Ouranus vs Ceto.
Is it true that cronos & uranus had a big cosmic level battle??
Bruno Velazquez : Yes and Cronos won.
Cronos having brually defeated Ouranus is accepted by the bovels , in which he ripped Uranus's balls off even.
Aphrodite had been born from the genitals of Ouranos, when his son Cronos -Zeus's father had ripped them from the elder god's crotch and thrown them in the Mediterranean.The drops of blood had become the Furies-which to Athena had always made considerable sense and the organ itself had been reborn as the infinitely desirable goddess.
eo yes, Cronos quiet literally ripped apart someone who can survive universal punches and contain universes inside his body.
Morpheus
to Truly Understand Morpheus's power , we must understand that the reslms like underworld , upperworld , domain of death e.t.c. have different flow of time many people here on CV seem to believe that Hades is just like a lower layer on the planet Earth and not much more , but this is factually incorrect as Hades and Earth have a barrier between them who even a young Chronos cannot destroy , this btw also confirms Ouranus was omnipresent in the cosmos , or atleast have insane cosmic awareness , this furtur confirms that underworld is infinite as Tartarus is described as un-ending , the only way Chronos can be freed from the Tartarus is the destruction of the barrier between Hades and the realm of immortals
Hades and Living world are directly stated to be alternate and seprate dimensions via the developers that are only connected by holes in the fabric of space , this is a factual and direct statement that can't be debated , they are seprate dimensions where the only connection is the Great chain that passes through holes in fabric of space aka Portals, meaning these are different universes.
this is furthur supported by the Domain of Death, an entire seeming dimension that exists between Hades and the world of the living , making the gap between mortal universe and hades in actuality far wider and bigger due to having entire dimensions/potential universes between them.
so as this explains , the Underworld and the Mortal world are different universes/Dimensions, both infinite and they have the Domain of Death jammed in middle of them , only way to go from underworld to mortal world or vice versa is use tears in the fabric of realms , Morpheus's own realm where reality and imagination converge and time is disorted and does not flow the same way as normal , seems to be a seprate space time , the other side of the coin implying its the same size and is parrallel to normal world.
Morpheus's mother , Nyx , has also created an alternate dimension , an alternate version of the world which is seemingly exactly the same as ours with the exception of it being a dimension of Eternal night.
Ariel Lawrence: Yes, about the portal. It's our moon as seen from an alternate dimension.
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llowed kratos to pass other dimension. Is That correct ? Also is that a real moon on the background?
The God of war universe is pretty explicitly infinite , Regarding the cosmos/sky being infinite , thats stated by the God of War 1 Novel
now the countless infinite statements that Underworld has , the tale of persephone refers to Tartarus , a mere part of the underworld , as boundless
here is the Tale of Atlas , furthur confirming the underworld to be infinite
more confirmation from the Guidebooks regarding Underworld being immeasurable/infinite
here is from Cecil Kim , the concept artist whose underwod concept arts ended up making into God of War I
Cory Barlog backs up Cecil Kim and furthur confirms its correct , Cory Barlog is one of the main directors of the series
now as we know , Nyx's realm and Morpheus's realm are " different side of the coin " and " alternate dimensions of eternal night " to the normal God of War universe , and thus they're likely the same size as of the normal universe in GOW , now....an overlook for the God of War Greek Cosmology.
- The Conventional world of man -------> infinite or universal in size
- The Underworld ------> bluntly infinite in size per every source.
- Nyx's realm ------> universal in size , alterantion version of World of man.
- Morpheus's realm ------> universal in size , another version of the world of man.
all the realms are different time space continuums, Underworld is bluntly a different dimension them the Conventional world of man and has Domain of death sandwiched in middle of the world of man and the underworld , Domain of Death , Nyx's eternal night and Morpheus's realm of dreams are all premordeal realms, Nyx Rternal night is bluntly an alternate dimension only accessible via portals , Morpheus is also bluntly a different time space because time and space here is a disorted mess where space has converged with imagination and time disorted.
all in all, the Greek cosmology and creation is bluntly multiversal and Morpheus is capable of merging the entire Greek multiverse aka all of creation into one effortlessly in the mere absence of The Light that Illuminates the world.
The Quote above clearly shows all of creation was gonna be merged into one world of Darkness , under the power of the God aka Morpheus , Morpheus can merge the entire Multiversal Greek Cosmology into one if he really wishes to. , why does this matter? because Morpheus , even though an abstract conceot that predates reality and time , is still capped under Helios , this is exactly why he needs Helios's light to dissapear.
Morpheus is explicitly below Helios in the Hierarchy
Now even though Morpheus is a abstract conceptual being that can Merge an entire multiverse into one effortlessly , all his actions are stopped via the passive existence of Helios , meaning Helios is superior to beings who can merge entire multiverses into one effotlessly , making Helios multiversal as well.
Atlas
Atlas is the mightiest of the Titans , a being so powerful that he holds up the world itself , but normally people write off him holding the world as him merely holding the planet , but this is not true , Atlas holds the entire universe and this is something extremely easy to prove , Atlas is stated to hold up the heavens themselves.
now heavens is an extremely vague term , but today I'm gonna 100% proof that heavens refers to the space/universe itself , first we have the Antikythera mechanism.
Antikythera Mechanism - a gear mechanism used by archimedes to track the heavens
now why is this relevant? The Antikythera Mechanism is a real object used for the studying and understanding of the cosmos itself.The Description of the Antikythera mehcanism is the exact same with the exception of the world Cosmos or space being replaced by heavens , by that we can safely deduce that Heavens refers to the universe/cosmos itself. but there is more evidence regarding Heavens = Universe , as proven earlier in the post the universe was physically contained inside Ouranus and moved out via Ceto's punch , guess what , the same Ouranus who created the universe from his body is stated to be the emobidment of heavens, more direct evidence that heavens is just another word for cosmos/universe.
now that makes it even clearer , Heavens is another word for the universe and Atlas is lifting the universe at all moments on his shoulders and thus has universal physical strength , but don't worry , there is more that proofs Atlas is holding every universe and dimension in the cosmology with the exception of Underworld and has multiversal/multi universal physical strength.
so In this sense , Atlas replaced the Pillar of the world , and it is confirmed that without the pillar of the world , all of creation will cease to exist , absolutely nothing in the Greek cosmos would survive.
also this makes sense as Atlas can't only be holding the crust of the upper world because as proven the Underworld and living world are Scientifically different dimensions.
and finally , to furthur prove how a direct connection between underworld and upper doesn't exist , they are scientifically different universes , an entire dimension aka the Domain of Death is situated between the Hades and Living world.
as proven by these quotes , all of creation would be destroyed if you remove The World Pillar or Atlas from the equation as it would all collapse into the Hades , being destroyed and returned to nothing.all of creation includes literally everything in the greek cosmology and as a cosmological descrption I gave earlier already ow....an overlook for the God of War Greek Cosmology.
- The Conventional world of man -------> infinite or universal in size
- The Underworld ------> bluntly infinite in size per every source.
- Nyx's realm ------> universal in size , alterantion version of World of man.
- Morpheus's realm ------> universal in size , another version of the world of man.
all the realms are different time space continuums, Underworld is bluntly a different dimension them the Conventional world of man and has Domain of death sandwiched in middle of the world of man and the underworld , Domain of Death , Nyx's eternal night and Morpheus's realm of dreams are all premordeal realms, Nyx Rternal night is bluntly an alternate dimension only accessible via portals , Morpheus is also bluntly a different time space because time and space here is a disorted mess where space has converged with imagination and time disorted.
all in all, the Greek cosmology and creation is bluntly multiversal and with the exception of the Hades , Atlas is holding all the realms from falling and being destroyed into nothingness due to the fall , Meaning Atlas has the physical strength to hold Multiple universal time spaces on his shoulders , this same feat is done by Hercules too in God of War.
as proven , Atlas and Hercules can lift all of creation in God of Wat Greek cosmology with the exception of Hades itself , meaning they have the physical strength to hold multiple universes , all seprated by dimensionality, Which is basically Multiversal physical strength , in my last section on why all of this mentioned scales to Zeus I will explain why zeus scales above any of this in every aspect.
Zeus
Now , Finally to the part How Zeus is far superior to everyone in the Greek cosmology , for example the Premordeals such as Ouranus and Ceto who both proved to be universal in durability and physical strength, Cronos , as said , completely ripped Ouranus apart.Cronos LITERALLY ripped him apart,per the directors , Cronos ripped Ouranus to pieces , this is stated at around 8 minute mark
Cronos having defeated Ouranus is confirmed by multiple timelines
worse , there is confirmation the battle was on the same cosmic scale as Ouranus vs Ceto.
Is it true that cronos & uranus had a big cosmic level battle??
Bruno Velazquez : Yes and Cronos won.
Cronos having brually defeated Ouranus is accepted by the bovels , in which he ripped Uranus's balls off even.
Aphrodite had been born from the genitals of Ouranos, when his son Cronos -Zeus's father had ripped them from the elder god's crotch and thrown them in the Mediterranean.The drops of blood had become the Furies-which to Athena had always made considerable sense and the organ itself had been reborn as the infinitely desirable goddess.
eo yes, Cronos quiet literally ripped apart someone who can survive universal punches and contain universes inside his body , now why is Zeus far superior yo Cronos , because Zeus during the Great war quiet literally used the extension of his power aka the Blade of Olympus to one shot the entire titan race with a single blow from the Blade of Olympus, which again is a concentration of Zeus's own godly power
But Zeus's overwhelming superiority to the Titans is not just that his arms are more powerful then the entire Titan race.
Now that we can conclude Hades is on par with Atlas while being thousands of years pre prime , as shown here Hades here absorbed Atlas's soul which probably gave Hades a huge boost in power and Hades gets a little stronger everytime he absorbs a soul , so millions of souls combined with Atlas so obviously he got much stronger , but compared to Zeus, even a little of his anger can scare both Hades and Posiedon into retreating.
regarding Helios , Ares is the fourth strongest of the gods , meaning he is automatically more powerful then Helios
While per the novel, the brother kings could effortlessly crush Ares from any spot in the world , something Athena and Posiedon both agree on.
"Far from your realm, my lord uncle-safe in a distant desert."Poseidon roared, raised a fist, and all the world trembled. "Am I called Earthshaker for naught?"
The tremors faded away. "There is truth in this," Poseidon admitted. "But how best to do so?
As Established , Hades and Posiedon are far superior to any other god and can crush them whenever they seek , but both are terrified of Zeus's mere anger and completely submissive to him and its directly stated Zeus would've killed Hades if not for his own decree of not harming other Gods.
"Return to your domain, and let me deal with Kratos and matters of greater import in Olympus."
"You have your own concerns," Hades said. He looked up, and his submissive attitude
Zeus's lightning is fast enough to perception Blitz Hades countless times , as well as making him step down and stop his actions in fear of the lightning
Both Poseidon and Hafes , even together , completely feared casual Lightning Bolts from Zeus.
and finally the most insane of them all , Zeus was ready to one shot the entireity of Olympus the moment he heard of any Treachery , Zeus can quiet literally any of the gods whenever he wishes to kill , Iris agreed that he would kill them but believed he shouldn't violate his own decree.
"Why not? I'm king. I can do as I please!"
The Blade of Olympus on touch could effortlessly one shot and dissipate Hades , casual strikes can erase Hades.
Zeus can even overpower the Blade of Olympus Kratos with his mere hands , meaning Zeus's hands are above the entire titan race and now , we add in the fact it can one shot Hades casually , yet zeus's arm can overpower it , hee can also one shot any of the Titans at once , Aegean of the hundred hands , the Elder brother of Cronos have upper body strength better then Atlas and Cronos , Atlas and Aegean are equal at their primes and Cronos is just a tiny big weaker physically.
chains made by premordeals were able to completely and utterly overpower Aegean , the chains weren't even scratched in thousands of years , not a single chain was destroyed but Zeus with a casual lightning blast could effortlessly pulverize these chains.
so basically Zeus's energy strength can pulverize Helios or any other God the moment he wishes it , his Lightning can one shot Hades and Poseidon who in turn can instantly one shot Ares who is far more powerful then Helios , Zeus would effortlessly and laughably one shot Helios and Morpheus and thus would scale to Multiversal as I proved them both to be Multiversal.
physically Zeus can overpower the Blade of Olympus which with casual swings can one shot Hades who is ~ Atlas and Cronos just physically , Zeus's strength would pulverize and dissipate Atlas and Hercules at any moment , making his physical strength also scale to Multiversal.
thus Zeus is a multiversal being via both Energy and physicals.
Swiftness Of The Sky Father...
this section isn't gonna be as big as the others simply because the placement here is the easiest MFTL+++ placement you're gonna find anywhere , regardless we first need to know what the nine realms are , easy they are seprate universes as they are called universes. and not just normal universes and the 9 Realms the Yggdrasil encompass , are separatespace-time ( Credit to Bruhmomento for this part )The Valkyries now are so fast they can zip zap through the 9 universes instantly , if two fights are happening they're gonna be able to attend both fights in completely different universes at the same time , they're so quick they can pretty much be at two different universes , physically , and not miss anything about the battle because she is fast enough to zip zap between the universes at such a pace that she can completely view both battles.
this is just one Valkyrie, another one is capable of reaching any warrior the moment they start dying , two warriors can die at once in difference universes, she would be able to instantly reach either and take them to asgard without any noticeable delay.
this shows us the Valkyries can almost instantly Traverse entire universes , at will at any given time.now some people like to write off the Valkyries having this immensely MFTL+++ speed feat as mere Bitfrost teleportation , but Bitfrost.... Teleportation is regarding the Aesir gods and not the Valkyries? Unlike the Aesir, The Valkyries use the bitfrost only for summoning weapons and materializing things, their usage of bitfrost is vertabim stated to be unique aka seprate and different from the conventional Aesir and other Bitfrost users , thus its unique compared to other users.
we've a direct scene of the Valkyrie multi tasking ,and it clearly describes physical movement while giving directions of where the Valkyries were positioned and were coming from as well as " escorting away " which implies they are leaving the scene physically and in process of leaving and thus the continous present tense usage , clearly both the process of reaching the scene and taking soul to valhalla is being done physically due to present continous tense.
and finally , lets look at the actual game, which clear cut potrays it as movement and not some Bitfrost teleportation hax.
now As we've proven completely that the Valkyries are immensely MFTL+++ , fast enough to instaneously travel entire universes and cover the immense Yggdrasil distance between them , utterly immensely MFTL+++ to the point they can be argued to be the highest in that said tier , they can still be outpaced by Kratos , dame Kratos that Hermes quiet literally toyed with and same Hermes was perception blitzed by a casual holding back Lightning blast from Zeus.
so via Common scaling, Zeus's casual Lightning blasts can perception blitz beings that toy with Kratos , same Kratos can fight the Valkyrie who are fast enough to instantly traverse entire universes and the distances between them instantly and effortlessly , as that clearly shows us that Zeus is way too high in MFTL+ for us to properly calculate , but yes as the scaling clearly shows , Zeus casually perception blitz beings who blitz beings that can instantly and effortessly travel universes and the distance between them , making Zeus's casual energy attacks likely sextillions of times higher then light, and thus putting him in an insane degree of MFTL+.
The Great Evils that command reality....
In The Beginning There was Darkness......the darkness was a void of Instability, a void of pure nothingness , a void called Chaos the first being in creation , Chaos birthed more Premordeals named Ouranus , what are the premordeals though? they are abstract concepts of nature , beings that predate the creation of reality and time and reside in such realms where they disort time and view and exist in their own version of the realms.
These abstract concepts of the universe such as Life , Heavens , Mountains e.t.c. , who are unbound by reality as shown above they completely control reality subjectively and predate the conceptualization of time itself , these complex abstract concepts are still governed by superior concepts , The Great Evils and the Premordeals , even as complexily conceptual they are , are still inferior to Great evils and ran by them , the Premordeals were controlled by the concepts of madness , war and rage , the great evils.
as shown above, the Great Evils forged Reality , universes and all via the battle of the Premordeals , as shown as The Great evils are superior to complex abstract concepts , controlling and shaping the reality from bbeginning , this is not the only example of the Great evils controlling and shaping reality from beginning , Fear shaped the second Skyfather aka Chronos , who felt Greed for the Skyfather position and the fear that Ouranus had of his power shaped both their actions , Ouranus's toward Cronos , and Cronos toward Zeus.
These evils that caused the Premordeal war , and then the Great war , who governed the Premordeals and Cronos , weren't able to govern Zeus who saw and recongnized these evil concepts , as Hephaetus explains , the evils of the Great war , these Premordeal abstract concepts were gathered by Zeus to seal into Pandora's box.
once unleashed, these concepts effected and turned Zeus into literal fear.
Fear of these Dark Evils of Nature , these conceptual things predating reality , predating and overloarding even over the abstract concepts of nature , led to Athena herself summoning the most powerful concept of all , Hope and placing them in the box.as confirmed here , Zeus sealed the evil in the box , Athena gathered and sealed Hope itself.
Hope is the most powerful concept in all of creation , far more powerful then even fear that has shaped all things , even the premordeals , hope allowed him to overcome a fear that had become one with Zeus.
we've a visual of Zeus and Athena controlling this complex multiversal unbound concepts
as clearly shown here , Zeus , Athena and such could effortlessly manipulate the greater concepts , concepts above abstract concepts predating time and reality , Zeus and Athena could easily interact with and manipulate them , showing they can control these concepts , and even physically interact with them as Zeus is showing seeing and gathering them in his palm.
what does this mean? Zeus's attacks work on a conceptual level , a conceptual level beyond abstract concepts that predate the conceptualization of time itself , beyond even unbound Multiversal concepts , so if he hits you and you don't possess Resistance to conceptual manipulation of the highest level , you're dying , regeneration doesn't mean anything either due to unbound multiversal concept manipulation.
The Flames and Blade of Olympus....
Olympus is surely an intresting mountain , isn't it? Born from the Blood of chaos , it has a flame , a flame strengthened over time , a flame with powers dwarving that of even the Olympians themselves with the sole exception of Zeus, but to understand the powers of the blade and the Flame , we just understand the power of Styx , a river that Instantly kills anything that it touches , except Kratos.
as shown Above , Kratos can effortlessly resist death manipulation but when compared to The Flame of Olympus, his resistance is nothing
as shown above , The Flame of Olympus can instantly kill even the Gods themselves , but........the Gods have a complex immortality , where death itsrlf has no claim over any of the gods until their power is drained meaning even transcendence over death itself is not enough to do anything to the Death hax the flame has.
for example , even Pandora can die to the flame of Olympus per touching the flame itself at around 1:35:00 , why is Pandora dying to the flame of Olympus unique? because Pandora isn't a being bound by life and death and isn't alive or dead either.
the fact that even the gods can die upon touch with the flame of Olympus means that even the concepts of wisdom and reason, that are embodied by Athena can die upon contact with the Flame of Olympus.
all in all , The flame of Olympus is an overpowered Death Manipulation hax that doesn't care whether you exist outside the cycle of life and death like pandora , transcend death itself like most of the gods or are the embodiment of fundamental concepts such as wisdom , it will kill you if it touches you , why does it matter? because Zeus freely manipulates the Flame of Olympus, even giving random fodder humans weaoons he personally embues with the flame of olympus.
Practically, Zeus has a conceptual death hax , that ignores resistance layers as well as ignoring whether you are outside life and death or if Death itself has no claim over you like with the olympians.
now we go on to the bigger hax , the Blade of Olympus , the most powerful weapon in the Heavens and Earth , the power of Blade of Olympus allows one to Null godhood itself , and turn Immortal Gods who are unbound by the hands of death , mortal as well as killing them on spot.
this is the same Athena who is a god and thus death have no claims on her , the same Athena that Is the embodiment of Wisdom and Reason who got one shotted by the power nullification of The Blade of Olympus , but this isn't it......
as Shown here , The Blade of Olympus can erase Higher Dimensional concepts with its swings like it was going to completely destroy Athena once and for all , her godhood was likely gonna get nullified too , safe to say the Blade of Olympus can nullify and erase higher dimensional concepts , why does this matter? first of all the blade of Olympus is a mere extension of Zeus's power , its a blade infused with Zeus's own Godly might.
the dialogue between Athena and Kratos suggest the power of Hope and fear was still superior to ascended Athena , as Athena demands she is given the power back and Blade of Olympus can still easily destroy Athena when Zeus was overpowering even the blade , all in all the Great evils are likely superior to higher dimensional concepts like ascended Athena.
so just like the Blade of Olympus , Zeus himself can nullify and destroy/erase higher dimensional concepts , as the Blade is just his power focused into the blade that he forged , so on top of manipulating deep dark premordeal concepts which govern permordeal concepts which in turn predate reality and time and are abstract. he can also nullify and erase higher dimensional concepts like ascended Athena.
furthur confirming that Zeus's power operates on a pretty complex conceptual level where he can easily gather/seal/nullify/erase higher dimensional concepts and the Great Evils.
The Masters of Creation....
The Gods in God of War , rule the entireity of the Universe and its afterlife and manipulate reality ar their Whim , do not believe me? let me give you an example of that , here we see Ares simply create and Teleport Kratos to a realm that was completely under the control of Ares , every single facet , the giant Galactic disc spinning at MFTL+ to everything here. and this control goes onto the Novel
but you may ask , this looks like pretty blunt Mind Manipulation , is it mind Manipulation however? no , as the Novel confirms , the vortex actually pulled Kratos in and Ares teleported away in a light.
Ares's complete control over the dimension , easily spinning the galaxy at MFTL+ , Summoning Kratos's family , summoning all those clones with the same abilities and powers as Kratos e.t.c.
was when Ares's javelin column had pinned him to the door of the Temple of Pandora
. "By the gods, can this be real?""Kratos?" his wife said. "Have you come to take us home?"The wall of the temple suddenly shimmered, rippling as if it was no longer wholly a material thing, and out through that shimmer stepped...Kratos.His younger self, the Kratos of a decade past, came striding into the temple to slay everything that moved.
Ares was able to effortlessly take all the magic and powers from Kratos at a whim , not only nullifying all his equipment and hax/magic but also nullifying all his powers.
The fires in his heart burned hotter than the Blades of Chaos ever could.
"You should have been stronger."
Kratos could only howl with incoherent fury."Now you will have no power. No magic. No weapon."
At the last, his flesh gave way before his joints did.
The chains ripped free, shredding his arms, leaving the blackened tatters trailing smoke.
Ares effortessly Took Kratos's magic, this is confirmed by the game too.
and then after Torturning Kratos with his past family and the multiple clones , Ares effortessly seemingly straight up erased the dimension, making it dissapear.
At the last, his flesh gave way before his joints did.
The point here is to show Ares is capable of effortlessly creating a seemingly universal Dimension , easily reality warp and completely control it , easily use Reality manipulation to power null everything Kratos has including his attack potency , and then just make the dissapear with a word , making Ares a universal Reality warper and Zeus is far superior magically to Ares.
but this is not it , similar to what my partner showerd , albeit in my case its inferior , The God of war 2010 comics give us some extremely metaphysical feats for the Gods , Posiedon is likely the most magically inferior of the Brother Kings , and he was able to see reality as a mere projection, he caused a mere whirlpool in the projection in the underworld , and the exact same effect done to the projection carried over to the Reality itself , and Posiedon didn't cast a spell of leave and go to the realm , but merely effecting the projection in Hades had the same effect on reality as it had on projection.
as the above example shows , the Gods are capable of vieweing reality itself as a mere projection , and manipulating that projection effects the universe in the same way , but enough talk about projection of reality in Hades , lets go to the Big man himself , Hades , likely on par with Zeus in magic , Hades is human sized yet he fired a mere small fireball on the projection , and the fireball actually rained as massive city block sized meteors on the world.
as this clearly shows , the effect done to the projection, went off to the real world , the gods if wish can view reality as a mere projection and how they would effect that projection would effect reality itself , its almost like a Reality>fiction layer without actually being a reality>fiction layer , while the gods don't get the higher dimensional power of the R>F layers they have reality warping thats akin to Reality>fiction layers , capable of vieweing reality as a mere projection and the effects done on it carrying onto the reality that its showing.
so basically Zeus has universal reality warping via Ares , range for it and the abilities include creation , power mimicry , power nullification, soul manipulation ( via kratos's family ) and then erasure and then have the ability to do some R>F/subjective reality style reality Manipulation without actually having such a layer.
Other Godly Powers.....
Law Manipulation
First of all , one of the Best powers Zeus have is Law Manipulation , with a thought he was able to strip Prometheus of all his powers and turn him into a thing , that no matter how brutally slaughtered would always ressurect , and nothing in the entire multiverse with the exception of the fire of Pardition can kill him permanently, zeus effortlessly made it a law that nothing in the entire Greek cosmos , even death itself aka Thanatos can destroy Promotheus , a classic example of Cosmologcal ( which in this sense are many universes ) scale law Manipulation.
as shown , Zeus can easily tamper and create Laws throughout the entire God of war Greek Cosmology.
Immortality
Zeus, just like the other immortals , is beyond the hands of death aka Thanatos and to be killed , just like Kratos would need to have his divine power itself drained or nullified otherwise death has no claim , infact , the Gods have a complex immortality , where the hands of death itself has no claim over any of the gods until their power is drained , if they are an immortal god in GOW then they can only be killed by Other Immortal Gods , conventionally death has zero claim over them.
Soul Manipulation
Zeus could effortlessly intervene and BFR souls to underworld by mere gestures, without even putting that much effort he did it , ripped the soul and sent it to underworld.
Curse Manipulation
Zeus can effortlessly curse beings to do as he says for all eternity , even though the being is conscious and knows what he is doing , even if he hates this fate , he can never leave.
Madness Manipulation
Zeus can summon Sirens to sing , as many Sirens as needed , these Sirens are capable of singing songs that induce madness upon the one who hears them.
Conclusions....
I'm gonna do a short recap of my points.
- Zeus is far superior to Helios and Morpheus , Helios passively stopping and undoing all of Morpheus's actions while Morpheus effortessly entire multiverses together in the mere absence of Helios , Helios is an one shottable fodder to the titans and just like any other God , would get one shotted by Posiedon and Hades even if far away from their domain.
- Zeus could one shot magical chains that Aegean completely immobilized , same Aegean who is as powerful as Atlas.
- Atlas holds the multiverse but is only a little stronger then Cronos , Cronos was overpowered Handily By Hades , Hades can be one shotted by a casual swing from Blade of Olympus, Zeus overpowered Blade of Olympus by hand thus allowing Zeus to likely one shot Cronos and Atlas physically.
- Zeus can perception blitz Hermes , who can blitz Kratos/Valkyries who zip zap throughout the multiverse all the time.
- Zeus can easily one shot the entireity of Olympus with his Lightning.
- Zeus has the ability to manipulate the Great evils , concepts that govern abstract concepts that predate time and reality and manipulate them at will (Morpheus/Nyx realms )
- The flame of Olympus can instantly kill beings who resist death hax and even instantly kill beings that embody concepts , Zeus manipulates the flame.
- The Blade power null any god , even conceptual ones of their powers and could erase even Ascended Athena who is a higher dimensional concept.
- Zeus can create laws over the entire multiverse, such as when he did regarding prometheus and made him completely invulnerable to all abilities except the flame of Pardition.
- Zeus can instantly BFR souls to different dimensions.
- Zeus can reality warp on an universal scale given his obvious magical superiority to Ares.
- Zeus is capable of vieweing reality as a mere projection and effect reality the same way one would effect that projection , giving his obvious magical superiority to Poseidon and Hades.
- Zeus , just like the other gods , is beyond the hands of death aka he literally cannot be claimed by death until killed by another god.
in simpler terms.
- Zeus has Multiversal energy projection and Multiversal physicals as explained in the first section.
- Zeus can effortlessly perception blitz beings that can instantly and effortlessly move to different universes.
- Zeus has conceptual hax even better then abstract concepts that aoply over the Multiverse and predate time/reality.
- Zeus has conceptual death hax which bypasses resistance as well as killing beings that death have no claim over and are embodiments of concepts.
- Zeus has the blade of Olympus which can power nullify even the gods like Athena who are conceptual embodiment of wisdom and reason , and then erase even transcended Athena who is downright a higher Dimensional concept , the blade of Olympus is a mere concentration of Zeus's own power.
- Zeus has Law Manipulation with multiversal range.
- Zeus can effortlessly BFR souls to different dimension/universes.
- Zeus is unbound by conventional death and can only be killed by a God, has deathless immortality.
- Zeus can reality warp on a universal scale , and can view reality as a projection and effect reality the same way he effects the projection.
Afterthoughts....
Sorry for the Humongous posts , God of war generally causes a lot of controversy on this site and as I didn't want the doubters to question my post I simply decided to post mountains and mountains worth of evidence for my stance and the general complexity of the verse led to the size of the post , I hope you've enjoyed the read as I've worked rather hard on this post , the thread would soon be updated to remove thor and use Zeus at his place as I believed Zeus's clear cut magical superiority would make the CAV more interesting considering Galactus himself is pretty good as far as abilities goes , me changing to Zeus was supported and accepted by all three members of the CAV , sorry if you were expecting a Thor post but I would likely CAV Thor in the future regardless but for now I hope you enjoy the post.
Thank You for reading...
Our Posts are up , I hope you all enjoy our posts , Thor has been replaced By Zeus per the consent of the all three debaters for reasons I would explain furthur only if Asked , but yes these are posts from our end.
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Damn....I don't know whether to be impressed by the level of detail and effort put in both posts or be put off by the sheer volume of info I now have read .
But either way though well done on such well made post
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.....You already TAEPed once Mikey , we know you're excited for Big G but still smh.
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