Exar Kun vs Darth Sidious

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#1  Edited By LondonBFR
  • Sidious as of Revenge of the Sith
  • Starting 50 meters apart
  • Morals off
  • Neutral environment

The Exar Kun movement has been revolutionized. The creator of the Dark Empire series has confirmed:

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@londonbfr: Don't do that ... :/

Exar surely has a hype and Sith sorcery feats to compete, but as long as the feats rules, Sidious should take it.

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@erkan12 said:

@londonbfr: Don't do that ... :/

Exar surely has a hype and Sith sorcery feats to compete, but as long as the feats rules, Sidious should take it.

Doubt it.

Exar has him by feats at this point. And to why I think he wins :

  • More dedication to lightsaber mastery, including a pioneering invention/style that Sidious has never encountered
  • Better destruction capabilities at this point
  • Better feats against other Force adepts
  • More Force abilities usable in combat
  • Better Force defense

The author statements from both Kevin J anderson and the one above are mere side-notes.

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@londonbfr: Sidious trained a Sith who is one of the most skilled Sith in the history, and he speedblitzed two Jedi Masters, and killed the third shortly after, and he fought evenly against Master of the Order and the Grandmaster in sabers, he also defeated Maul and Savage at the same time.

Sidious didn't dedicate himself to saber fight, is just your assumption.

Sidious overpowered Yoda with the Force, Force choked Count Dooku via hologram, overpowered Mother Talzin (who has stomped Dooku), almost bend Mace's lightsaber with lightning, and ragdolled Maul & Savage with the Force. Exar has no feats on these levels.

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I like you Erkan. In a space were very few have the pretense to bring argument and reason to an open discussion, someone admirable has to fill the gap.

Sidious trained a Sith who is one of the most skilled Sith in the history,

Which would be a valid point if all of Maul's training sessions were sparring practices against his master, and not many being independent battles against hordes of training droids. Yes, someone would have to teach him the forms and their respective Katas, but that doesn't surmount to a being skilled combatant. You're missing my point: Sheev-the-politician, is not as practiced as Kun or Maul in overt displays of Lightsaber mastery, and is only able to control the latter by utilizing his vastly superior Force connection relating to physical stats (read : speed and pre-cognition). This is an edge he wouldn't enjoy over someone who's on the same plain as him regarding raw power (or exceeding him according to Tom Veitch).

After that, you have to tell me who's better. The guy who was incredibly focused on the art that he went on to construct a unique, never-seen-before weapon and style to boot. Or the guy who hasn't time to practice, who laments the fact his lightsaber hasn't seen the light of day for years up until Revenge of the Sith and views lightsaber dueling as a pointless exercise.

and he speedblitzed two Jedi Masters, and killed the third shortly after,

Generally, I don't find the use of "speedblitz" to be impressive. Again, Force speed is a power accessible to every and any Jedi knight wishing to utilize it, the extent of which depends on the Force connection of said user. Ulic Qel Droma; Kun's physical equal, has a similar showing of "speedblitz"

When being confronted with Warb Null and five of his dark side adepts:

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Some points to highlight

  • The two brighter spots in the middle of the afterglow of Ulic's blade are the two missing soldiers, The comic book drawers lazily missed said detail
  • .Ulic hacks five force sensative soldiers to pieces in split seconds, indicated by the fact, that he manages to cut two of them down, before the weapon of his previous victim is even on its way to the ground.
  • Ulic has been directly stated to be weakened by the dark-side enshrouded environment he's in (read:nexus), and logically it would mean Warb Nulll and his acolytes are strengthened by the same energies
  • Ulic is not close to being in his prime, as a lowly apprentice

He then goes on to stomp Warb Null in sheer speed, similar to Fisto's take down :

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As for the circumstances relating to that skirmish, which looks like this according to the ROTS novel:

"Saesee Tiin's head bounced when it hit the floor. Smoke curled from the neck, and from the twin stumps ofthe horns, severed just below the chin. Kit Fisto gasped, "Saesee!" The headless corpse, still standing, twisted as its knees buckled, and a thin sigh escaped from its trachea as it folded to the floor. "It doesn't..." Agen Kolar swayed. His emerald blade shrank away, and the handgrip tumbled from his opening fingers. A small, neat hole in the middle of his forehead leaked smoke, showing light from the back of his head."... hurt..." He pitched forward onto his face, and lay still." - Revenge of the Sith Novelization

Bolded Mine. This is what happens between Sidious hitting Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar. Kit Fisto speaks the name of his fallen comrade, the corpse does collapse, the onlookers notice the sigh escaping from the decapitated body and then Kolar is hit. Ulic kills two people before the guy he killed first can drop his weapon...

and he fought evenly against Master of the Order and the Grandmaster in sabers,

Which according to the ROTS script - he was disarmed within a minute of the fight. Indicating that Yoda is heads and shoulders more skilled than him. Anyway, I won't be entertaining a discussion of Kun vs Yoda, as I believe the latter has the right tools for the job garnering victory.

he also defeated Maul and Savage at the same time.

Sidious

Sidious only availed by utilizing his gargantuan Force connection against the two according to Fioni's script. Of course, he was able to hold them off collectively, but only out dueled them individually. Again, this is due to his raw power which is rivaled by Kun's own.

Sidious overpowered Yoda with the Force,

It's also worth noting that Sidious benefits from an unprecedented shift towards the darkside, hindering his enemies natural ability to use the Force, while bolstering his own. Everything else stated that Yoda only narrowly lost in what was a contest of equals. This is in spite of the galactic nexus him and his master created.

Force choked Count Dooku via hologram, , almost bend Mace's lightsaber with lightning, and ragdolled Maul & Savage with the Force. Exar has no feats on these levels.

None of this exceeds Kun's feats against other Force masters. Namely, Force choking Luke's collective student body in a massively weakened state, including Streen. But there is others of course.

Overpowering Talzin

I believe he and Dooku engaged in a lighting clash and only won when she was back stabbed by Grievous.

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@erkan12 said:

@londonbfr: Sidious trained a Sith who is one of the most skilled Sith in the history, and he speedblitzed two Jedi Masters, and killed the third shortly after, and he fought evenly against Master of the Order and the Grandmaster in sabers, he also defeated Maul and Savage at the same time.

Sidious didn't dedicate himself to saber fight, is just your assumption.

Sidious overpowered Yoda with the Force, Force choked Count Dooku via hologram, overpowered Mother Talzin (who has stomped Dooku), almost bend Mace's lightsaber with lightning, and ragdolled Maul & Savage with the Force. Exar has no feats on these levels.

Erkan, my man.

We are in agreement.

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Are we seriously doing this again?

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Are we seriously doing this again?

yes babe

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