EoS Sins vs Elite Sternritters

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#1  Edited By shirso
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4 Elite Sternritters (Gerard, Lille, Askin, Pernida)

  • Random encounter
  • Fight starts 20 m apart
  • EoS versions of all the SDS, including Eli, Escanor is in permanent Ultimate The One
  • Everyone else starts in base
  • In character but determined to win
  • The Sterns are visible.No soul crush
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#2  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

The Elites have the advantage in every catagory and even if this was equalized the Sins have no way to deal with The Miracle or Vollstandig Lille.

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Gowther solos.

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Starting in base? Sins take this.

Vollstandig Lille solos though.

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Sins get stomped. Ban melodías and Escanor might have superior striking strength but lack hax. No reason why askin doesn’t drop all of them like he did Ichigo. Also Lille snipes and erases them from existence. Gerard keeps evolving. Elites win fairly easy

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I have to agree with Gowther being able to solo with TP, he could have enemy team beat each other.

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@emperorb777:

I have to agree with Gowther being able to solo with TP, he could have enemy team beat each other

Gowthers TP has never been affective against characters this powerful and his illusions would be seen through.

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@leothegreatest: memory manipulation is fair game, as it also have a physical component. Basic tp resistance can't block memory manipulation.

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#10  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@kingfrieza:

memory manipulation is fair game, as it also have a physical component.

Don’t understand what you’re trying to say by physical component but this isn’t an ability Gowther can effectively use in battle against people this strong.

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@leothegreatest: None of them have TP resistance feats of any kind and Aizen was effortlessly able to use illusions on their boss twice, there is no reason to believe they would be superior to him in anyway. The physical power means nothing to Gowther, he's TP Escanor, Demon King Mel, heck he helped end the holy war with TP.

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@emperorb777:

None of them have TP resistance feats of any kind and Aizen was effortlessly able to use illusions on their boss twice, there is no reason to believe they would be superior to him in anyway. The physical power means nothing to Gowther, he's TP Escanor, Demon King Mel, heck he helped end the holy war with TP.

The TP you‘re referring too is useless against characters this powerful and if it were to work it wears off the instant the person feels that the memories don’t make sense which would be immediately for the Elites.

Kyoka Suigetsu is on a completely different level than Gowthers Illusions.

Gowther sending people into the DK’s mind isn’t really relevant here especially since those battles inside the DKs mind were battles of the spirit and these are Bleach Characters.

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Shut up Leonard, you have 2 days till the CaV

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pretty sure its leopold

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Sins stomp. Only Gerard has relevant stats, none of the elites have decent energy durability, and none of the elites have even a shred of TP resistance. The elites starting in base makes them all blitz fodder as well.

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Leo using headcanon lol. No reason why tp doesn't work oj people with no tp resistance

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Leo using headcanon lol. No reason why tp doesn't work on people with no tp resistance especially when he's used it on people stronger than himself repeatedly

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@leothegreatest: Gowther TP lasted for 3000 years, wtf are you talking about? It literally took 3000 years for everyone to realize the real reason the war ended. There also Gowther erasing Diane and that one holy knights memories. Did you even read the manga?

The Elites have zero answer for TP

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#19  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@emperorb777:

Gowther TP lasted for 3000 years, wtf are you talking about? It literally took 3000 years for everyone to realize the real reason the war ended. There also Gowther erasing Diane and that one holy knights memories. Did you even read the manga?

I thought you were talking about the TP he used when they were raiding the castle. Are you pretending the one he used against the cast all those years ago in his real body is spammable?

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Leo using headcanon lol. No reason why tp doesn't work on people with no tp resistance especially when he's used it on people stronger than himself repeatedly

How would the TP he used against DK Mel and Zel help here?

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@worldofruin6:

Only Gerard has relevant stats,

All the Elites are much faster with oneshot abilities.

none of the elites have decent energy durability,

How‘d you come to this conclusion?

and none of the elites have even a shred of TP resistance.

The only TP Gowther has been able to use on a decently powerful character is one that sends them into the mind of the target to then have a spiritual battle.

How would that help against Bleach characters?

The elites starting in base makes them all blitz fodder as well.

The Elites are leagues faster in base.

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Meliodas will seal Gerard:

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Merlin will Perfect Cube Askin:

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#22  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@trippygod:

Meliodas will seal Gerard:

Gelda isn’t comparable to Gerard.

Merlin will Perfect Cube Askin:

Askin would use a Quincy Shadow to easily escape.

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@leothegreatest: hes used jt on escanor, dreyfus,etc . You dont know gowther very well

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@son_of_mori-jin:

I know the ability, it requires Gowther to physically touch the opponents head. Are you saying he can physically touch these characters?

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#25  Edited By TrippyGod

@leothegreatest: That seal was made by a Meliodas with 32500 pl. The same seal technique made by a Meliodas with DK power level will trap the 4 Stern. Gerard will be a child's play.

Debunk that one ;)

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@trippygod:

That seal was made by a Meliodas with 32500 pl. The same seal technique made by a Meliodas with DK power level will trap the 4 Stern.

Current Meliodas isn’t comparable to Gerard either.

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@leothegreatest: he didn't physically touch escanor or many other people. Also it's not outside of his limits to touch them in base especially since he can do the same thing he did with dreyfus and let them attack and think he's dead

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@son_of_mori-jin:

He did touch Escanor and he’d be dead long before getting near a member of the Shutzstaffel.

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@emperorb777: Their counters to Gowther's TP is him having no speed feats to react to any of the Elites and no durability feats to suggest he's surviving any of their casual attacks.

The Elites stomp this. The only relevant ones are Meliodas and Merlin, possibly Escanor if he goes into Ultimate ONE, but the second any of the Elites go into Vollstandiig it's over.

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@son_of_mori-jin:

He did touch Escanor and he’d be dead long before getting near a member of the Shutzstaffel.

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You've never read NNT he tp'd him twice without touching him

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@ecoblitz: all quinces have the ability to erase hollows(souls) from existence from what I remember. I haven’t ready bleach in a while but I believe that is the reason Shinigami eradicated the Quincy because the souls they killed were not going to soul society or hell which caused an Imbalance between worlds. That’s basically existence erasure I specifically said Lille because his bullets ignore durability which the sins have no counter for.

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Sins stomp

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@emperorb777: Their counters to Gowther's TP is him having no speed feats to react to any of the Elites and no durability feats to suggest he's surviving any of their casual attacks.

The Elites stomp this. The only relevant ones are Meliodas and Merlin, possibly Escanor if he goes into Ultimate ONE, but the second any of the Elites go into Vollstandiig it's over.

That's not a counter seeing as they all got blitzed in base by someone with no speed feats either. Not that it matters Mel can replicate what the 0 division did and blitze / one shot them in base

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also this is a random encounter. The elites use there hax from the get go. I don’t recall merlins first move being the cube nor melodías using seals right away either. Gowther TP is a problem but saying he solos is a joke

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Not only is it stupid to use Oetsu Fight Elites despite them having a boost in power ever since but to say Mel blitzes and one-shots is just too funny.

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@faradaysloth: honestly NNT has hardly any impressive speed feats melodías out pacing Lightning is overblown. Blitzing should not be an argument for any of the sins. There only advantages here are brute strength over everyone here but Gerard and gowthers TP thats it. Sternritter hax blows the sins out the water

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Base Aizen blitzed mach 1000. Kyoraku is slower than base Aizen and keeps up with Lille. Base Aizen=mach 1000++>Kyoraku=> Lille.

Pretty sure fodder Mayuri who is slower than base Aizen kept up with Pernida for a bit.

Yoruichi who is slower than Base Aizen kept up with Askin.

Base Gerard was blitz one-shot by Byakuya and literally doesn't have any other speed feats.

But somehow the base elites are leagues faster. Yeah, OK.

Naruto still stomps Ichigo and Kaguya smacks mustache man. 😂

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@son_of_mori-jin:

Like I said I’m only talking about the relevant abilities. Why would black out working on an Escanor that already spent all his energy and a jack that only works on much weaker characters be relevant here?

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#40  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

Base Aizen blitzed mach 1000 Kyoraku is slower than base Aizen

It was without effort and more than mach 1000 TYBW and Shunsui should be faster.

Base Aizen=mach 1000++>Kyoraku=> Lille.

How if Base Starkk already had a 4 digit mach feat in seemingly teleporting a character with MHS+ reactions dozens of miles through their perspective?

Base Aizen is faster than the sins who only scale to 4 digit mach.

Pretty sure fodder Mayuri who is slower than base Aizen kept up with Pernida for a bit.

Mayuri clearly isn’t fodder and Base Aizen is faster than the sins so it wouldn’t change anything regardless.

Yoruichi who is slower than Base Aizen kept up with Askin.

Yoruichi isn’t slower than base Aizen and faced Askin with her complete Shunko while her incomplete Shunko alone was able to let her contend with Aizen. Askin is faster than Base Aizen who is faster than the sins.

Base Gerard was blitz one-shot by Byakuya and literally doesn't have any other speed feats.

Post RG Byakuya is leagues faster than the Sins and Gerard was able to fight against Renji who alone is more than 100 times stronger than the Espada, and while all of that shouldn’t necessarily translate to speed a good portion of it does putting him far above the sins in speed as well.

But somehow the base elites are leagues faster. Yeah, OK.

Yes very clearly.

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@leothegreatest: You're not making any argument here just blind fanboyism.give one FEAT they have to say it wouldn't work on them and escanor hadn't expended all his energy but whatever

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@faradaysloth: Considering they have no durability or speed feats I base to suggest they could tank an attack from melodias isn't too crazy .

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@son_of_mori-jin:

Jack only works on weak characters and black out has only worked on an Escanor who used all his energy to attack Drole and Gloxinia and an Escanor with his gaurd down in the edinsburgh chapters iirc.Even if it were to work Gowther isn’t lasting long enough to use it and wouldn’t tag an Elite if he did last long enough.

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Gowther's TP will be a big problem for the elites, as well as Merlin and her BFR, perfect cube and infinity. She can also shrink and seal her opponents, and Askin doesn't have feats of surviving an attack by say mel or Escanor, to suggest he becomes immune.

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@emperorb777: I do want to throw out there that diane lost her memory over time. It wasn't instant and his TP is mostly used in combo with others as it doesn't last that long

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Cancer whorty answers I see, “they resist to something they have no resistance of because they are stronger”

1) in general they aren’t

2) c’mon now with that logic, it makes 0 sense.

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