Same song but different dance as Invincible vs any Namek level character. Stronger, and waaaay faster. Can survive in space, has healing factor, incredible fighting skills.
I don’t get how this is fair given that BoZ Piccolo one-shot the moon and he’s fodder compared to his Namek self.
I dont get how this is fair when Omni Man match Supreme who one shots worlds, stars, and tank legit black holes low end. But sure blowing a moon and scaling to Frieza 2nd form, ooooooo aaaahhhhhh.
On a side note, kicking a moon size planetoid from the solar system somewhere to Mars in near light speeds needs way more energy than blowing up the moon by alot. Which Invincible did as well. Thats why OP specify "Crossover/Scaling Feats" as they have the highest ends and outliers for Invincible characters to compete easy here. Just most on this thread and others like it ignore the OP intentions due to bias fandom.
Oh yeah then theres the INSANE speed difference, no crossover feats needed for that argument.
It says Piccolo is being given anime feats here, and that’s going to definitely crank up scaling to ridiculous levels here. Considering King Vegeta at a power level much lower than the likes of Saiyan Saga Vegeta or Cui was already effortlessly multi-planet level in the anime. There’s a hundred times power gap or more between Piccolo and that King Vegeta…
@blizzardflow: lol an outlier? vegeta and first form freeza are both planet busters and piccolo shits on both of them, piccolo is large planetary and its not debatable.
@sirfizzwhizz: Stop with the headcanon, you're just meatriding Invincible characters to make them win fights they can't win.
tbf he's the only one showing proof behind his arguments. Nobody is proving how Piccolo busting the moon isn't an outlier or why Vegeta busting a planet should be taken seriously even though it's filler.
I don't care about who wins, but you really can't hate
Nobody is proving how Piccolo busting the moon isn't an outlier
There's like 5 people that are clearly planet busters by Namek (not by scaling, by actual feats) and Piccolo is stronger than all of them. I'm not seeing an argument where Piccolo being a moon buster is hard to believe.
why Vegeta busting a planet should be taken seriously even though it's filler.
Filler is still anime which is in the OP. It's taken seriously because all of the below are planet busters in the anime:
King Vegeta
Vegeta
Kid Gohan
First form Frieza
Saiyan saga Goku (based on overpowering Vegeta's galick gun)
As well as others causing explosions the size of a moon with zero effort (Nappa) or blowing up the moon (Saiyan saga Piccolo, Roshi). The one thing that all these characters have in common? They're all much weaker than Namek saga Piccolo.
@filinzia69420: I mean I don't think a person's avatar makes them a fanboy or not & most people wouldn't outright call themselves fanboys (even tho we all have our moments) & at the very least fizz is posting scans/rebuttals to argue for his position & anyone arguing for Piccolo can do the same & I wouldn't call them a fanboy either
@seastone98: I agree but the problem with fizz is that he's just a meatrider. Like this guy thinks that OM can beat Kratos and is universal and just so you know, almost nothing he says is true.
@seastone98: I agree but the problem with fizz is that he's just a meatrider. Like this guy thinks that OM can beat Kratos and is universal and just so you know, almost nothing he says is true.
Your opinions aside....
As far as i can tell, Fizz always makes seperate distictions in his longer argumentative posts between what is "base"/strictly non-outliers/non-wank and then what is crossover-reliant/scaling dependant. And he even bolds it with titles. It's a near-flawless method of presenting different tiers of power level arguments to a character which got crossover showings or very scaling-heavy arguments to it's name.
We all know Fizz likes Invincible, but few of the peeps on CV seem to understand that he 90% of the time sides with Invincible peeps because a) CV users was/is heavily biased against it b) peeps don't even read the damn thing and still argue against it and c) he's enjoying the uphill battle. Fizz has been the first to admit (literally the first) in several invincible threads that say, Thragg or Mark got 0 chance of winning or withstanding several types of characters or powers. And you'll never see him argue that anyone in invincible is Universal without being very specific about how it relies on the same silly crossover-feat-scaling-cherrypicking-aspects-to-make-the-character-as-absurd-as-possible-type reasoning that say ... Kratos scaling does. Please show me one single thread where Fizz unironically says that Omni or Mark or Thragg is Universal level without any crossover or Supreme scaling.
As for the Kratos argument ... yeah, let's not go there. Kratos's scaling is ....... something. And it's meaningless. And it's moot to this topic and will just make it spiral out of control. @takenstew22 will probably agree on that one.
On Topic: How does Omni-man ever get tagged with these rules in the OP? What Namek Saga speed feats does Piccolo got under his belt or can scale to, exactly?
@seastone98: I agree but the problem with fizz is that he's just a meatrider. Like this guy thinks that OM can beat Kratos and is universal and just so you know, almost nothing he says is true.
As far as i can tell, Fizz always makes seperate distictions in his longer argumentative posts between what is "base"/strictly non-outliers/non-wank and then what is crossover-reliant/scaling dependant. And he even bolds it with titles. It's a near-flawless method of presenting different tiers of power level arguments to a character which got crossover showings or very scaling-heavy arguments to it's name.
We all know Fizz likes Invincible, but few of the peeps on CV seem to understand that he 90% of the time sides with Invincible peeps because a) CV users was/is heavily biased against it b) peeps don't even read the damn thing and still argue against it and c) he's enjoying the uphill battle. Fizz has been the first to admit (literally the first) in several invincible threads that say, Thragg or Mark got 0 chance of winning or withstanding several types of characters or powers. And you'll never see him argue that anyone in invincible is Universal without being very specific about how it relies on the same silly crossover-feat-scaling-cherrypicking-aspects-to-make-the-character-as-absurd-as-possible-type reasoning that say ... Kratos scaling does.
Thank you.
See @filinzia69420: ? This is exactly the point. Invincible is like low high tier, maybe mid high tier, by that not really planet busting. Moon Busting. He can wreck a livable world. Its all more nuance than you realize Filinzia. My issue is the the fact people will use SCALING or HYPERBOLE or WORD OF GOD as proof of Kratos, Hulk, Thor, Dragon Ball Z, Superman, whoever.... but when it comes to Invincible, that same kind of logic is off the table. Thats the bias hypocritical crap I call out. Simple really.
Nobody is proving how Piccolo busting the moon isn't an outlier
There's like 5 people that are clearly planet busters by Namek (not by scaling, by actual feats) and Piccolo is stronger than all of them. I'm not seeing an argument where Piccolo being a moon buster is hard to believe.
why Vegeta busting a planet should be taken seriously even though it's filler.
Filler is still anime which is in the OP. It's taken seriously because all of the below are planet busters in the anime:
King Vegeta
Vegeta
Kid Gohan
First form Frieza
Saiyan saga Goku (based on overpowering Vegeta's galick gun)
As well as others causing explosions the size of a moon with zero effort (Nappa) or blowing up the moon (Saiyan saga Piccolo, Roshi). The one thing that all these characters have in common? They're all much weaker than Namek saga Piccolo.
edit: Maybe he isn't stronger than Gohan but eh
Just curious without Anime feats, who would be legit "planet buster". Just Post Ginyu Goku and First Form Frieza right? Or would you still argue Piccolo and Gohan who fought forms of Frieza as legit by default?
@seastone98: I agree but the problem with fizz is that he's just a meatrider. Like this guy thinks that OM can beat Kratos and is universal and just so you know, almost nothing he says is true.
As far as i can tell, Fizz always makes seperate distictions in his longer argumentative posts between what is "base"/strictly non-outliers/non-wank and then what is crossover-reliant/scaling dependant. And he even bolds it with titles. It's a near-flawless method of presenting different tiers of power level arguments to a character which got crossover showings or very scaling-heavy arguments to it's name.
We all know Fizz likes Invincible, but few of the peeps on CV seem to understand that he 90% of the time sides with Invincible peeps because a) CV users was/is heavily biased against it b) peeps don't even read the damn thing and still argue against it and c) he's enjoying the uphill battle. Fizz has been the first to admit (literally the first) in several invincible threads that say, Thragg or Mark got 0 chance of winning or withstanding several types of characters or powers. And you'll never see him argue that anyone in invincible is Universal without being very specific about how it relies on the same silly crossover-feat-scaling-cherrypicking-aspects-to-make-the-character-as-absurd-as-possible-type reasoning that say ... Kratos scaling does.
Thank you.
See @filinzia69420: ? This is exactly the point. Invincible is like low high tier, maybe mid high tier, by that not really planet busting. Moon Busting. He can wreck a livable world. Its all more nuance than you realize Filinzia. My issue is the the fact people will use SCALING or HYPERBOLE or WORD OF GOD as proof of Kratos, Hulk, Thor, Dragon Ball Z, Superman, whoever.... but when it comes to Invincible, that same kind of logic is off the table. Thats the bias hypocritical crap I call out. Simple really.
Ok, IDK if you're a troll or if you're just trying to stand in my way by giving me names but either way, you're still a bad powerscaler regardless of the outcome.
@filinzia69420: You sound mad that other people understand what I am trying to say, but you are unable to grasp it. It's OK though 1 day when you have years on this site like I do, you'll be a good debater too 😏
@sirfizzwhizz: I mean we have on panel evidence of Piccolo being a moon buster without a large degree of effort…. So I don’t find it ridiculous that someone like Saiyan saga Vegeta can do it given how much more powerful he is.
I think Frieza even in the Manga is well above standard planet busting. Destroying planet Vegeta is most likely harder than blowing up any planet in our own solar system.
@sirfizzwhizz: Or maybe you just don't want to admit that you're also a bad debater based on the fact that you've plagiarized my comments a whole bunch of times, a good debater does not copy other people's ideas or comments.
You really are pathetic as hell. Not at all smart enough to understand my actual arguments.
I'd tag mods but because I know better it'd be trolling.
Remind me where Supreme scales because either I'm blind or I'm not seeing actual feats.
Oh also BEHOLD STATEMENT OF POWER
The Namek crew and Piccolo are clearly beasts of such calibre by statements alone hehehe.
Tag the mods all you want. Filoni wants to step up and calling me a meat rider and liar, tagging me several times over to get a response. I will call him pathetic ass troll for he is. Im sure it may be your Alt since you want to defend his behavior.
Behold Supreme is so powerful he holds time and space together of the universe. Stated to survive clashing timelines of universes and physics breaking down into chaos.
Behold the weakest of Supremes lifting her known universe with strength alone, threatening to break it should she drop it!
Gallery
Omni Man universal level confirm. So your point is null.
@sirfizzwhizz: Or maybe you just don't want to admit that you're also a bad debater based on the fact that you've plagiarized my comments a whole bunch of times, a good debater does not copy other people's ideas or comments.
Plagiarize your arguments, go ahead and post arguments of yours I plagiarize, screen shot it. I can wait lol you sad troll.
@sirfizzwhizz: Are you so far up your own ass you think that's my alt. No reason it for a second Fizz, I would go out of my way to make an alt, divide my arguments between two accounts (I don't even know what the other guy is even talking about), just so I can justify XYZ instead of doing so from my alegded alt/main account... I don't think I even said anything about the dude's behaviour. I was joking because you seem to tag mods a lot at the slightest notion of an insult, perhaps an over exaggeration but they are something you've leaned on in multiple discussions.
I probably wouldn't call you a joke before but like be for real LMAO. Anyways on to Supreme.
What part of surviving "timelines clashing together" and "physics breaking down" was supposed to be a quantifiable feat besides some level of resistance? Barely similar Strange Supreme surviving the deconstruction of his own universe and even that's contentious. It's not an Alien X type feat.
Destroying>>Lifting even if you wanted to upscale Supreme from this.
Side question, do you just default to "troll" or is that your purely objective use of the word because that would imply disagreement = bad faith.
Are you so far up your own ass you think that's my alt.
Ok I give some credit, your way more articulate than that guy.
No reason it for a second Fizz, I would go out of my way to make an alt, divide my arguments between two accounts (I don't even know what the other guy is even talking about), just so I can justify XYZ instead of doing so from my alegded alt/main account... I don't think I even said anything about the dude's behaviour. I was joking because you seem to tag mods a lot at the slightest notion of an insult, perhaps an over exaggeration but they are something you've leaned on in multiple discussions.
Mostly for violating rules. Dropping F Bombs and calling users directly slur names. Saying he is pathetic for hassling me multiple times and targeting me alone in multiple Invincible threads is something I am willing to take the hit. Because he is pathetic for trolling.
What part of surviving "timelines clashing together" and "physics breaking down" was supposed to be a quantifiable feat besides some level of resistance?
Timelines are universes. You cannot have multiple times in a single universe. Thats basic sci fi and now real science theory 101. So surviving clashing time lines is same as surviving multiple clashing universes. Pretty simple and straight forward.
Destroying>>Lifting even if you wanted to upscale Supreme from this.
If you can lift it you can break it. Universal is universal. Unlike your Frieza hyperbole where it does not state how he destroys the universe. Piece by piece? All at once? Planet by planet over time infinity? Its vague where Supreme ones are way more straight foward. Facts.
Side question, do you just default to "troll" or is that your purely objective use of the word because that would imply disagreement = bad faith.
Yes and yes. Disagreement is fine is there is reason to disagree. Disagreeing to evidence that simply matches the same evidence you use is bad faith on your and other's parts in these recent DB vs Invincible threads. Im not the only one who sees this shit. @cergic: @itouchedtheboat: @seastone98: posts in this very thread see this bias for this hypocrisy being slung on these matchups.
You really are pathetic as hell. Not at all smart enough to understand my actual arguments.
I'd tag mods but because I know better it'd be trolling.
Remind me where Supreme scales because either I'm blind or I'm not seeing actual feats.
Oh also BEHOLD STATEMENT OF POWER
The Namek crew and Piccolo are clearly beasts of such calibre by statements alone hehehe.
Tag the mods all you want. Filoni wants to step up and calling me a meat rider and liar, tagging me several times over to get a response. I will call him pathetic ass troll for he is. Im sure it may be your Alt since you want to defend his behavior.
Behold Supreme is so powerful he holds time and space together of the universe. Stated to survive clashing timelines of universes and physics breaking down into chaos.
Behold the weakest of Supremes lifting her known universe with strength alone, threatening to break it should she drop it!
Gallery
Omni Man universal level confirm. So your point is null.
@sirfizzwhizz: Or maybe you just don't want to admit that you're also a bad debater based on the fact that you've plagiarized my comments a whole bunch of times, a good debater does not copy other people's ideas or comments.
Plagiarize your arguments, go ahead and post arguments of yours I plagiarize, screen shot it. I can wait lol you sad troll.
Here are the screenshots of you just copying what I say but reinterpreting them. Also just so you know, lifting someone or something DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN DESTROY THEM, it's just like someone who can lift 100 pound dumbbells, does that mean the person who can lift 100 pound dumbbells is strong enough to break them? No, that's why lifting ≠ destroying so to think that Omni-Man is anywhere near universal is almost as dumb as saying "Goku is outerversal" or any other crap like that so stop wanking Omni-Man to ridiculous levels.
Here are the screenshots of you just copying what I say but reinterpreting them.
................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Holy shit you are serious? Your not joking about ................ wow wow wow.
Here are the screenshots of you just copying what I say but reinterpreting them.
................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Holy shit you are serious? Your not joking about ................ wow wow wow.
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