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#1 Edited by kalder_ridley (1889 posts) - - Show Bio

random encounter

how would eos naruto & sauce fare against 1 cell jr?

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#2 Edited by JOVIOLMA (4904 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is a out of character Cell Jr. He wrecks them both, since he stomped Super Vegeta, Cell Saga Goku and Post Kami Fusion Piccolo, he is also multi-planetary and can one shot both Nardo and his boyfriend with a ki blast

The only way I can see Sasuke and Naruto winning this is if they start using genjutsu right in the beginning of the fight.

Edit: ''Holy, Sh't, in this gif, a Cell Jr, is breaking God Yamcha's arm, that means that a Cell Jr. is True Infinity, he solos 99 % of all fiction.

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#3 Edited by Chad_Duby (4636 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: umm, no, they are large-star’s levels because they are stronger than Frieza.

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#4 Posted by JOVIOLMA (4904 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: umm, no, they are large-star’s levels because they are stronger than Frieza.

Unlikely, they are stronger than frieza this is obviously, but guys like Semi Perfect Cell are unable to destroy the Snake Way which only possess 1.000.000 KM, and the Cell Jrs. use physical combat like they do with the Z warriors.

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#5 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@chad_duby:

Isn't freeza a planet buster?

How does one go "no he's stronger than a planet buster, so he's large star level!"?

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#6 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

OT cell JR wins.

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#7 Posted by JOVIOLMA (4904 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma: umm, no, they are large-star’s levels because they are stronger than Frieza.

I don't remember Frieza Being star level. This is obviously based in the calculation about Planet Vegeta which is ridiculous due the fact that we don't know the density of the planet.

Frieza in DBS still thinking that his supernova is impressive and he clearly states:''Power to destroy a PLANET''.

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#8 Posted by Marshall_Long (5640 posts) - - Show Bio

Cell Jr one shots

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#9 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4123 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:

They have hax to kill him etc.

They have no hax to kill him.

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#10 Posted by JOVIOLMA (4904 posts) - - Show Bio
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#11 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4123 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma:

Present your case guy lol. What hax would kill a Cell Jr? Burden of proof is on you right now.

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#12 Edited by Godren (3372 posts) - - Show Bio

Narutoverse would praise Cell Jr as a deity beyond their own comprehension, he clears easily.

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#13 Posted by JOVIOLMA (4904 posts) - - Show Bio
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#14 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4123 posts) - - Show Bio

@joviolma said:
Genjutsu

Prove Cell Jr has a brain that can be affected by Genjutsu, or a brain at all.

@joviolma said:
Ningendo

Prove Sasuke:

  1. Can utilize this path.
  2. Would use it in a combat scenario.
  3. It works on characters on a level such as Cell Jr, when Naruto in a vastly weaker form could resist its pull. Because now you're putting yourself in a posistion where you're defending a NLF.

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#15 Posted by zxc6 (328 posts) - - Show Bio

Cell Jr stomp effortlessly

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#16 Posted by Chad_Duby (4636 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebeardofzues: He is beyond planet's buster. I meant, vegeta was also a planet's buster when he was waaaay weaker than when he got stomped by frieza. And earth is a small planet in db. The guy like raditz would be low planetary already.

@joviolma: We don't know semi perfect cell > cell jirs or cell jirs > semi perfect cell. I meant, cell Jr. was easliy on par with ssj1 future trunks, who was stronger than ssj1 vegeta at the time, and ssj1 vegeta > semi perfect cell. And I don't think the snake way is able to be destroyed. I meant, the shock waves from semi perfect cell were able to past through many star systems but none of that seem to be effected the after life.

I think having the same gravity the same as King Kai's planet makes it that dense already.

Well, he was weakened due to being hakaied and collapsed by clouds(or it might be space itself) in the wolrd of void and the Katchin also fell on him.

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#17 Posted by sideSHOWbill (356 posts) - - Show Bio

Cell jr stomps

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#18 Posted by Mortein (6021 posts) - - Show Bio

@chad_duby:

Isn't freeza a planet buster?

How does one go "no he's stronger than a planet buster, so he's large star level!"?

Frieza effortlessly destroyed a large planet in his weakest form.

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#19 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@mortein:

Still a large jump from planet-large star

wouldn't you agree?

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#20 Posted by iUseMyCajonas (4123 posts) - - Show Bio

@mortein:

Still a large jump from planet-large star

wouldn't you agree?

The jump between his first form and his final form was over 200 times.

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#21 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas:

well IDK the size of said planet and said star but

the difference between Earth (small planet) and the Sun (smallish star) is roughly 1,300,000 times.

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#22 Posted by Gaoron (7664 posts) - - Show Bio

Cell Jr. stomps

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#23 Posted by Mortein (6021 posts) - - Show Bio

@mortein:

Still a large jump from planet-large star

wouldn't you agree?

Well, I'm not saying he can destroy a star, but he's certainly far beyond the planet level.

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#24 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@mortein:

I agree since his weakest form busted 1.

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#25 Posted by AlexTheBoss (15746 posts) - - Show Bio

Cell jr. wins. He just needs to land one hit, which he probably will.

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#26 Edited by Rickthenick (575 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a mismatch...a cell jr could take down ss Vegeta. Naruto and Sasuske don't stand a chance.

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#27 Edited by iUseMyCajonas (4123 posts) - - Show Bio
@thebeardofzues said:

Earth (small planet) and the Sun (smallish star) is roughly 1,300,000 times.

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So, no. If you were to put 1,300,000 Earths inside of the sun, the result would be something astronomically more dense/mass heavy than the sun.

As for levels in the show, let's see.

Vegeta18,000Vol. 21, #249

This power level when utilizing all of it's energy is enough to blow up planet earth specifically.

Frieza (final form; 100%)120,000,000Daizenshuu 7

This is Frieza's power level in his maximum form.

18,000 times 333,000 is obviously no where close to 120,000,000, so even assuming powerlevels scale linearly, Frieza in his max form doesn't have the output necesary to destroy a star as big as our sun, but he would theorhetically have the capacity to blow up something with 6,667 times the mass of our planet, which is significantly bigger than anything but the sun in our solar system; which makes sense as he's implied to be able to blow up all planets of any size and considered Earth to be a small planet.

So I guess I would agree because I never actually laid out the calculations for it like that. Frieza is solidly below Star level but I'd have to dig deeper into transformations and multipliers to figure out where the Cell Jr's would be at.

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#28 Posted by Otsdarva999 (380 posts) - - Show Bio

Based on the only showing the Cell Jrs have, they like to play around and not go for the kill. Genjutsu is a viable option and the only option.

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#29 Posted by kalder_ridley (1889 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a mismatch...a cell jr could take down ss Vegeta. Naruto and Sasuske don't stand a chance.

they have hax. vegeta and the rest of the z-fighters do not.

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#30 Edited by kasya_carey (5289 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn’t first form fireza already star level for destroying planet Vegeta because it was a massive planet

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#31 Edited by Thenewguysnm1 (7481 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebeardofzues: also what make s friezas feat more impressive was that planet vegeta had 10x the gravity of earth and was bigger putting the feat at around large planet(low ball) to DWARF star (high ball) people scale his strongest form to star level

OT this guy was stomping people who in a weaker state were stomping semi perfect cell this team would lose to the androids cell takes it no diff

also if anything he has hax to take team down

  1. kk
  2. IT
  3. perfect cloning
  4. tri beam
  5. solar flair
  6. etc
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#32 Edited by iUseMyCajonas (4123 posts) - - Show Bio

@otsdarva999 said:

Based on the only showing the Cell Jrs have, they like to play around and not go for the kill. Genjutsu is a viable option and the only option.

No it's not, Cell has no brain.

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@kasya_carey said:

Wasn’t first form fireza already star level for destroying planet Vegeta because it was a massive planet

@thebeardofzues: also what make s friezas feat more impressive was that planet vegeta had 10x the gravity of earth and was bigger putting the feat at around large planet(low ball) to DWARF star (high ball) people scale his strongest form to star level

From the calcs I've seen, planet Vegeta is 4.64 times bigger than Earth and its mass is only 100 times that of Earth, compared to the sun, which its mass is 333,000 times that of Earth.

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#33 Posted by TheBeardOfZues (2801 posts) - - Show Bio

@thenewguysnm1: Good point I forgot that Planet Vegeta has 10x greater gravity than Earth.

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#35 Posted by MasterSkywalker (3609 posts) - - Show Bio

Team kills it

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#36 Posted by BlitzSikes (1926 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas: talk no jutsu is the only way Naruto and Sasuke are winning this is a guy who has made several Naruto vs DBZ threads but I always restrict DBZ characters or use pre Frieza arcs.

Those cell jrs were giving everyone trouble including an ascended Vegeta and Trunks who are light years ahead of Frieza (in fact Trunks in a much weaker form made Frieza his bitch)

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#37 Posted by Otsdarva999 (380 posts) - - Show Bio

@iusemycajonas: Doesn’t really matter. He has a “mind” that allows him to process sensory information. It’s the same difference. Furthermore, there are cases in other comics of telepaths using TP in situations where a target lacks a “brain” in the traditional sense, so there is precedence for this type of thing. Furthermore, Genjutsu has been described to work on the senses first and foremost. But I’m already expecting you to disagree based on what I’ve seen from you, lol. I’m not up for a lengthy debate right now.

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#38 Edited by iUseMyCajonas (4123 posts) - - Show Bio
@otsdarva999 said:

in other comics of telepaths using TP in situations where a target lacks a “brain” in the traditional sense

You debunked yourself by saying other comics, specify how their TP works; it's not the same as genjutsu. Here's how genjutsu works.

It detects the opponents five senses to go inside of their brains and inflict the status of being TP'ed. Cell has no Brain to go inside of.
It detects the opponents five senses to go inside of their brains and inflict the status of being TP'ed. Cell has no Brain to go inside of.
It specifically requires chakra control/disruption to break out of it.
It specifically requires chakra control/disruption to break out of it.

You can break out three ways, with a partner, by stopping your chakra flow, or by increasing the power of your chakra flow.
You can break out three ways, with a partner, by stopping your chakra flow, or by increasing the power of your chakra flow.

Even allowing for Cell to randomly get affected by Genjutsu which you have no proof of being able to happen, due to the way Z fighters constantly are radiating and disrupting the Ki in their bodies all Cell Jr would have to do is charge up, which most fighters in Dragon Ball do passively. You can't prove Sasuke can even control the amount of Ki (which is equal to chakra) that's inside of Cell Jr's body. Even allowing for Cell Jr to fall under the Genjutsu in the first place, which won't happen.

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#39 Edited by GXrevs06 (3943 posts) - - Show Bio

This is spite. Cell Jr shits on characters like Frieza, who would solo the Narutoverse with his pinky. The Naruto wank needs to stop

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#40 Posted by NoHateLevel106 (5 posts) - - Show Bio

Biggest mismatch i've seen, naruto solos low diff

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#41 Posted by deactivated-5b728068f211c (7069 posts) - - Show Bio

Cell Jr.

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#43 Posted by MainJP (5439 posts) - - Show Bio

@otsdarva999 said:

Based on the only showing the Cell Jrs have, they like to play around and not go for the kill. Genjutsu is a viable option and the only option.

No it's not, Cell has no brain.

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If the Cell Jrs. have no brain then what in Toriyama's name is that stuff spilling from its head? Cause that looks like a brain.

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#44 Posted by MetalJimmor (5951 posts) - - Show Bio

@mainjp:

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen someone actually find an internal organ feat to debunk "alien physiology" arguments before. Very nice find.

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#45 Posted by God-EmperorofMankind2 (403 posts) - - Show Bio

anyone dodoria level and above should stomp

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#46 Posted by ovy7 (1915 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, people are putting Naruto and Sasuke against the likes of Freeza and Cell Jr. and they still say that Bleach is the wanked series in the HST.

OT: The only way for the team to win is if Cell Jr. just stands there and takes a Rasen-shuriken (cause of cellular level attack) or a sealing technique to the face.

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#47 Posted by Temporal_Shift (3640 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7 said:

Lol, people are putting Naruto and Sasuke against the likes of Freeza and Cell Jr. and they still say that Bleach is the wanked series in the HST.

OT: The only way for the team to win is if Cell Jr. just stands there and takes a Rasen-shuriken (cause of cellular level attack) or a sealing technique to the face.

Beacuase bleach is.

Naruto is stronger than Bleach so when people compared Naruto to DB it's not as bad as when a Bleach fan says Ichigo is star level.

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#48 Posted by ovy7 (1915 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7 said:

Lol, people are putting Naruto and Sasuke against the likes of Freeza and Cell Jr. and they still say that Bleach is the wanked series in the HST.

OT: The only way for the team to win is if Cell Jr. just stands there and takes a Rasen-shuriken (cause of cellular level attack) or a sealing technique to the face.

Beacuase bleach is.

Naruto is stronger than Bleach so when people compared Naruto to DB it's not as bad as when a Bleach fan says Ichigo is star level.

That still doesn't excuse putting them against characters way beyond their league

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#49 Posted by Temporal_Shift (3640 posts) - - Show Bio

@ovy7:

I didn't say it did, I just said Bleach has the worse wank.

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#50 Posted by Gokluma (8093 posts) - - Show Bio

By this point we should ban Naruto vs dragon ball debates since it's getting way too unfair and bunch of annoying flame wars.