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Anime/Manga feats
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616 versions
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Win by KO
Location: NYC
Random Encounter
EOS versions
Full power/PEAK
Anime/Manga feats
VS
616 versions
Standard forms
No binary
Win by KO
Location: NYC
Random Encounter
Thoughts?
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^is this guy for real? Tony Stark would stomp Aizen in every conceivable area of combat. Madara solos. Even if it was Binary.
@nondre: why not?
Tony is above Carol. Always has been, always will be
Thoughts?
@battle123axe: Considering their own feats and how consistent they usually stack up in fights through history (where Ironman usually beats her), seems like a bunch of movie inspired garbage, but I'm actually gonna phone a friend on this one -
@eredin12: KS isn’t ordinary Telepathy, it’s hardly considered part of it.
What type of Telepathy does Tony block btw?
Aizen and Madara clean house, better in every way
“ If it manipulates brain/ senses causes illusions, controls mind then we treat like TP”
There is no “we” just you, because KS isn’t your typical Telepathy.
“ TP is basicly just ability to affect the mind( well it has other uses but still)”
There are different types of TP, which means it’s important as you tell me Tony’s feats.
“ we need to do it like that or we will get people that will argue that Itachi one-shots Odin and Xavier with Genjitsu since they never resisted that only TP when they basically do the same thing”
Whataboutism is shit. Tell me Tony’s feats of him resisting something like KS.
@battle123axe: Considering their own feats and how consistent they usually stack up in fights through history (where Ironman usually beats her), seems like a bunch of movie inspired garbage, but I'm actually gonna phone a friend on this one -
What feats exactly puts him above Carol because the last time I checked Noone1996 is only argument is that she didn't get stronger or she wasn't weakened during 1998 Avengers run. When on panel its been confirmed on multiple occasions :
And none of these feats mentiones Binary and if you guys want lowball then let's get going considering Ironman has way more.
can't wait to hear the feminist speech
Ahhhh you seem pressed honey did Carol steal Storm's spotlight or something. You're legitimately a hypocrite considering you wank Storm and Maxima who both are feminist.
can't wait to hear the feminist speech
Ahhhh you seem pressed honey did Carol steal Storm's spotlight or something. You're legitimately a hypocrite considering you wank Storm and Maxima who both are feminist.
Considering you wank psylocke 💀💀
umm I said what I said because the person who was phoned says Carol is only powerful for feminist reasons and a movie. So yeah let’s ask before you come at me sideways thanks 🙃
I mean we on the forum, in general
No, that's still means just you. Aizen being a typical TP User has long since been debunked & the only people who say "they resist TP before so they'll resist KS" are only people who have limited or no knowledge on Bleach.
but please explain why KS is so difirnet than TP of Xavier?
First off, Aizen's KS is perfect & complete hypnosis. It cannot be resisted upon.
So, I mean, there's that. Xavier is only special due to the power of his Telepathy while Aizen doesn't even need to try for his ability to work on someone. Since this is Peak/EOS Aizen, he doesn't even need his zanpaukto, all he has to do is just stand there since his mere presence is enough for KS to work.
Xavier is also known for his versatility but all of them are centered in the mind & telepathy based, simply doing illusions isn't really the same thing since Aizen isn't attacking the mind, just hypnotizing it slightly. It has no time limit, so you're stuck for life, & it has no distance limit since its influence is on people across dimensions. Once you're in it, you're in it for life. Even if Aizen lifts the spell, you'll still be under it regardless where you are when he activates it again. It can't be broken unless if you're 1) Blind 2) Touch the blade itself (doesn't work anymore) 3) Have enough spiritual pressure to where after Aizen lifts the spell you're free from it, so he'll have to activate it again on you (wouldn't matter since all it takes is his presence)
Not to mention it works on people without brains & nerves, like Barragan, it manipulates your perception of time & the ability of sensing/seeing souls. Seriously installing a program that combats against basic telepathy wouldn't matter to Aizen & KS, it's not a specific counter to KS at all. even if you somehow asspull & create make-belief weaknesses to KS, he'll just manipulate Carol into tearing Tony limb from limb. Either way, KS GG.
I am nor sure what you mean by types really?
Too bored so I'll copy & paste the different types of telepathy from Superpower Wiki
Applications
Similar to "Telekinesis", "Telepathy" is an umbrella term for any ability that involves projecting, reading and manipulating thoughts.
Basic Level
- Mind Reading/Thought Detection: The ability to read/sense the thoughts of others.
- Visual Mind Reading: The ability to see the thoughts of others.
- Memory Reading: The ability to read the target's memories.
- Psychic Communication: The ability to open up secret conversations and relay covert information.
- Empathy: The ability to interpret the emotions of others.
- Telempathy: The ability to communicate through emotions.
- Telepathic Speaking: The ability to speak aloud using only the mind.
Advanced Level
- Binding: The ability to restrict the movements of others via the mind.
- Download: The ability to quickly process, store, or download information through another's mind.
- Dream Walking: The ability to enter people's dreams.
- Emotion Manipulation: The ability to make one feel pleased, happy, pained, or any other emotion.
- Knowledge Projection: The ability to project knowledge into another mind.
- Telepathic Language Instruction: The ability to teach languages telepathically.
- Knowledge Replication: The ability to replicate the learned knowledge and skills of others.
- Mental Hallucination: The ability to cause mental hallucinations.
- Telepathic Invisibility: The ability to become invisible via telepathy.
- Mental Inducement: The ability to temporarily push the targets mind into the wanted state.
- Mind Control: The ability to manipulate the minds of other via thought process.
- Mind Image: The ability to project one's image to the mind of another.
- Mind Link: The ability to develop a permanent mental bond with any person, also called imprinting.
- Mind Melding: The ability to fuse one's consciousness with another.
- Mind Walking: The ability to enter the mind of another.
- Omnilingualism: The ability to intuitively understand all languages.
- Telepathic Translation: The ability to translate all languages.
- Intuitive Multilingual: The ability to intuitively translating and learning new languages, including alien languages.
- Psionic Inundation: The ability to launch psi-bolts to cause mental damage.
- Neurocognitive Deficit: The ability to shut down an opponent's higher brain function.
- Telepathic Static: The ability to project telepathic static.
- Psychic Inhibitors: The ability to place inhibitors in the mind to limit the target's capabilities.
- Psychic Navigation: The ability to create a mental map of the area.
- Psychic Shadow: The ability to mask psychic presence, hiding from other psychics.
- Psychic Shield: The ability to erect a psychic shield to protect the minds of oneself and/or others.
- Psychic Torture: The ability to torture victims mentally and spiritually.
- Pushing: The ability to implant memories, thoughts, and emotions into others.
- Sensory Scrying: The ability to perceive through the senses of other beings.
- Speaking Inducement: The ability to make others say whatever one wants.
- Telepathic Aura: The ability to project telepathic field.
- Telepathic Hijacking: The ability to hijack telepathic communication.
- Telepathic Language Instruction: The ability to project language information to others to communicate.
- Telepathic Prediction: The ability to know an opponent's moves and attacks by reading their brain waves.
- Telepathic Relay: The ability to act as a mental relay station for a group of minds, allowing said minds to "speak" to one another through the user.
- Thought Manifestation: The ability to make one's thoughts visible to all.
- Thought Manipulation: The ability to control the thoughts of others.
Master Level
- Clairtelepathy: The ability to detect mental resonances from other locations and times.
- Consciousness Transferal: The ability to transfer one's mind to a new body.
- Darkside View: The ability to communicate with and bring out the dark side of a person's personality.
- Lightside View: The ability to communicate with and bring out the good side of a person's personality.
- Memory Manipulation: The ability to erase, restore and alter the target's memories.
- Mental Manipulation: The ability to manipulate functions of the mind.
- Mind Exchange: The ability to transfer one's mind into another's body, taking control of that body.
- Possession: The ability to project one's mind into the body of a living being to inhabit and control them.
- Projective Omnilingualism: The ability to emit a field that translates every spoken language.
- Psychic Energy Manipulation: The ability to produce and manipulate mental energy.
- Psychic Constructs: The ability to generate constructs out of mental energy.
- Psychic Wave Manipulation: The ability to generate and manipulate thought waves.
- Psychosomatic Illusion: The ability to create powerful illusions that may cause severe physical damage.
- Remote Telepathy: The ability to use telepathy from a long range.
- Subconscious Manipulation: The ability to manipulate the subconscious.
- Subliminal Messaging: The ability to implant thoughts/ideas into the subconscious
- Telepathic Dilation: The power to water down the abilities of others by blocking neurological signals.
- Telepathic Surgery: The ability to perform neuropsychic surgery, healing and/or damaging the mind.
Ultimate Level
- Cosmic Empathy: The ability to interpret the emotions of billions or more subjects at once.
- Cosmic Telepathy: The ability to read the thoughts of billions or more subjects at once.
- Mental Projection: The ability to project thoughts into reality.
- Mindscape Transportation: The ability to transport physical matter into one's conscious or subconscious thoughts.
- Neural Jumpstart: The power to augment another's abilities by accelerating neuronal activity.
Absolute Level
- Mindscape Materialization: The ability to will one's thoughts and their inner world into reality.
- Omni-Empathy: The ability to sense and feel an infinite number of emotions across all universes, planes and dimensions.
- Omni-Telepathy: The ability to read, sense, communicate with, and control an infinite number of minds across all universes, planes and dimensions.
- Unimind: The ability to be connected with all things and their essences.
Techniques
- Telepathic Combat: The ability to use telepathy in physical combat.
- Telepathic Intelligence: The ability to heighten one's intelligence using telepathy.
Variations
- Animal Telepathy
- Ballistic Telepathy
- Electrical Telepathy
- Energy Telepathy
- Genetic Telepathy
- Magical Telepathy
- Spiritual Telepathy
- Tactile Telepathy
- Technological Telepathy
- Telepathic Dream Creation
- Telepathic Force Manipulation
- Temporal Telepathy
Associations
Have fun.
he resisted being with Xavier powers for start, is that enough for you?
No.
This man just compared KS(nothing but a pure illusion) to Prof X......IT is planet level TP and im pretty sure that's not enough to put Prof X down, Aizen stands no chance and cant compare to his capabilities.
Stark oneshots Aizen.
1. Well that is what i saw is great mayority( hence why i siad we)
There is no great majority.
2. Xavier is not your typical TP user eiather
He's textbook TP. He's the first TP user you'll ever think. He set up TP users as how we see them today.
but as i siad i am very open-minded to see your argument bellow about how it is above Charles TP
It's not above, it's simply different enough to where Iron Man's counters won't matter.
Those are just difirnet levels of TP power( from fodder to absolute level and i am more than sure that Aizen is not more powerful TP than Charles, on a higher level) but as i siad we will see
Lol do you not realize they're all different TP abilities? Eredin you say some of the dumbest stuff I swear.
Goold old NLF
Ironically you're the only one doing a fallacy here by claiming that. I've given three very clear counters to KS, therefore I made no No Limits claim since there is none with KS. Just find feats for your characters and they won't get KS GG, simple as that.
we should ask OP to replace marvel team with TOAA, i would say Odin and Galactus but "this cannot be resisted upon" so even they get beat by mighty Aizen, i seriously hope you have better reasons than this.
Jokes on you, all three fit those counters and/or would just defeat Aizen with a glance/thought. So KS wouldn't matter. Also nice job at putting Tony & Carol on TOAA tier level. LMAO. Find feats or get KS GG.
But we need to know how powerful it is, what level it is
KS doesn't depend on power levels. It can hypnotize anyone that doesn't have a counter to it. That's why he hypnotized Yhwach & not Tosen, even if the former would pinky one-shot the latter.
does it have feats near Charles who has plantary feats and above
Considering it worked on characters from Soul Society, Hueco Mundo, and Earth, that's a multi-planet level, technically with wank can be wanked to solar system but I don't choose that route. Besides, KS has no distance limit, it doesn't matter anyway.
who fought Dark Phoenix on all infinite planes of existence simultaneously and won( although his victory had some context but still)
Lmao you contradicted yourself with the "context", I just love comic debaters just picking the absolute high-end feats of a 70-80+ year old era & treat like it's casual. I don't care about Xavier's feats as they're not counters against KS. Show me Tony resisting TP that took place on all infinite planes of existence simultaneously. Like seriously what is so hard about this. It's Madara/Aizen vs Tony/Carol not Aizen vs Xavier on a battle of TP & Illusions, former of which Aizen isn't even a user of LOL.
Again i dont understand the point
That's IC for you.
the hypnotizing mind is still attacking it
Giving you a harmless illusion =/= actually destroying your mind via TP attacks lol.
and Charles can create just as much and just as good illusions as Aizen
Good thing they can be resisted. But bad thing is that KS cannot be resisted. That's the prime difference of abilities. You can't just make up weaknesses of KS because of you argue from incredulity.
I am prety sure Charles can put you for lif to if he wants, its up to him
Womp womp. it's not Aizen vs Xavier, read the title.
So can Odin break it?
Tony & Carol are Odin level confirmed.
What you are using now is honestly just extreme NLF
Never claimed no limits, strawman.
and yes i know people use NLF word to much these days but here this is really just classic example of it
No you're just like everyone else & bitch about "NLF" when you can't find a counter to it. Classic arguing against hax instead of just conceding.
KS GG.
Thing is Charles TP is far far from basic
No one cares.
Well the thing is IM is consistently above Carol
Tony won't be fine facing against Aizen, Madara, & Carol.
Leave it to Hope to think there was an actual power comparison of the two. 10/10 Comprehension as usual Comicvine.
Well the thing is IM is consistently above Carol
You're joking right so explain this
Tony is above Carol. Always has been, always will be
Thoughts?
@psi-bite234: Note i siad consistently, currently its true that Carol is sometimes written as stronger( one of the reason is probably do to her being one of strongest in MCU to)
I think Noone can explain it better
Once again like I said I am going to Quote myself. Noone1996's whole argument is trying to lowball Carol and say she isn't consistent when she really is. He uses old feats before she has gotten amps to justify his argument. More recently in Marvel she is written to be above Tony and tell Noone1996 if you talk to him again that I will be waiting....something to note is that if we are talking about consistency Tony is really not the character to use considering he has had his ass kicked by Spider-man
@battle123axe: Considering their own feats and how consistent they usually stack up in fights through history (where Ironman usually beats her), seems like a bunch of movie inspired garbage, but I'm actually gonna phone a friend on this one -
What feats exactly puts him above Carol because the last time I checked Noone1996 is only argument is that she didn't get stronger or she wasn't weakened during 1998 Avengers run. When on panel its been confirmed on multiple occasions :
And none of these feats mentiones Binary and if you guys want lowball then let's get going considering Ironman has way more.
i am speaking from my experience on vine
Here's a tip, a lot of CV users never know what they're talking about.
Typical TP user yes but not in power
No one cares about power.
that is what i meant, he is top dog, you need to prove that Aizen is superior and to do that you will need feats to mate not NLF
I don't need to since I never claimed that.
I have yet to see proof of that
Has he resisted Perfect Hypnosis?
Oh really, by your bulleptroof logic to not be one-shotted you need to :
1. be blind
2. Have enough spiritual pressure to where after Aizen lifts the spell you're free from it, so he'll have to activate it again on you (wouldn't matter since all it takes is his presence)
So by that logic, unless you are blind you are prety much done for( because second counter only refers to if Aizen himslef decides to free you from it), so tell me can he one-shot Galactus with it since he is not blind? That is NLF i am referring to
Good thing they're massively FTL so KS applying would probably never work. TBH I doubt Galactus would even see such a thing since it's so tiny. But yeah this is a "Can X Do This" question so it's up to those high tiers to show resistance, not the other way around. What you're claiming is the TRUE fallacy. BTW Tony & Carol Galactus level confirmed!!!!! God do I love Comic debaters!
I am prety sure they are not blind so i dont see how
They're so powerful to the point where KS would only affect them barely if not at all. Also where are those resistance feats for Tony?
Learn to read, i never did that
Yes you did. You liken KS working on the two to working on TOAA.
i just siad if it is completely unblockable, its only fair to put him against omnipotent, not aginst these fodders
That's not how that logic works champ. There's a lot more to a fight than simple attack descriptions. Now find me resistance feats.
That is irelvnat unless it affected all of them at once
Lmao
>Show me feat
>Gives feat
>Irrelevant
it is not plantary in power, that only refers when you do that to all people on the planet at once
No one cares about the power level lol. It's highlighting differences not a head to head fight. You say the most moronic things dude.
1. How did i contradict myself there?
"Here's his best feat over 60 years, no anti-feats included, this is extremely casual, except for the context here that would explain how he did this instead of it being casual...still casual"
2. I never treated it as casual but its still good feat/ his best
So can Tony resist TP that fight on infinite planes of existence simultaneously yes or no?
I showed him resisting somone whose TP operates on all infinite planes of existence simultaneously
Show him resisting a feat like that. Resisting Xavier just once =/= Resisting Xavier 10/10 times no matter the context.
telepath far above anyone in bleach, so to me, it is still NLF
You don't know what NLF means, you should just stop using it before you look even more moronic.
You dont need to destroy mind for it to be TP attack lol
Who said that?
putting someone under illusion is also TP attack, it just has difirnet purpose
Well CONSIDERED ME SHOCKED. You're finally keeping up with what I'm saying...yet again on another thread! You're arguing against me over nothing LMAO.
but Tony countermeasures completely disables TP, including illusions, not just TP mind-destroying attacks
Show feats of him disabling Perfect Hypnosis.
I am not making weakness i am just stating that you are using no limit fallacy
Strawman fallacy. Show me where I claimed no limits.
if it never affected somone with TP resistance nearly this good then it is NLF
Not how it works.
But Tony is immune to his TP so it does not matter
Prove it.
what i am showing is that Charles TP can do the same thign Aizen's KS can and Tony has immunity to it
Prove it.
Nobady siad they are but didn't you yourself siad power level does not matter? So how is it now that "Odin level" matters and i never argued Carol can resist it
I said power level doesn't matter for KS. You're arguing that Tony & Carol's power are essentially on Odin tier. Odin can counter KS & Aizen, the duo can't.
Indeed you just said basicly your only hope is to be blind, that is your limit
"You claimed a limit, so therefore you claimed NLF"
Eredin, TOAA.
Consider yourself blocked btw, this is like the erd or 4th time you're tagging me on a thread arguing complete nonsense & having shit tier comprehension. Now go argue how Tony>Carol or some shit like that.
Aren’t Aizens KS, and Xaviers Telepathy a bit different In some ways? KS touches on all 5 senses, while Xaviers TP is more mind oriented. So that would make one more outside focused, while one is more inside focused.
And still no feats of resisting something like KS. So nothing changed from the start.
Team 1 stomps.
KS GG
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