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#101 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@universeichigo1: again, sorry for my bad english man

1. You know what,, even hiro mashima never say HADO 90 is a black hole.. and a black hole can swallow a Planet, let alone Small town like karakura

You said:

Bleach verse base on SP and Kido and transform it become a spell,, and

Naruto verse base on Chakra, and transform it become a spell

No different at all

If chakra transform become fire, then that will be a fire and burn, same like water and dry and wind, lightning, wood, acid, dust, or ect (or atleast has same characteristic like natural)

And if SP or kido in bleach transform become A BLACK HOLE,, then that will be a Black Hole (or atleast has same chracteristic like real black hole).. and Black hole can swallow Planet or sun with easy man...

The fact ichigo destroy Hado 90 with 1 hand

And the fact ichigo get hurt by aizen fragor (Only Mountain level).. which mean Hado 90 is not a black hole..

2. When i say Aizen fragor failed to destroy karakura town or kill ichigo Friend's, i dont talk about fragor AOE.. i talking about fragor HEAT (you said fragor has 350.000.000'c)

If aizen fragor really has 350.000.000'c,, then earth will destroy right after that fragor hit earth man..

or ATLEAST (BIG ATLEAST) ichigo friend's (5 Normal Human + 1 weak shinigami) will death because the heat alone.....

350.000.000'c = 23 time's hotter than Yamamoto Bankai (a sun by statement),,

But still can't destroy earth or kill ichigo Friend's (A NORMAL HUMAN DUDE)

That is mean that fragor only 1 mountain level and not that hot...

3. That video is a wanking video.. (same like death battle video which say All charc's in Ft verse has Light Speed)

But if you said that video or calc or power scaling made by bleach fans is Canon

Then DATA BOOK (KISHIMOTO WORD) ABSOLUTELY CANON..

And by kisimoto word temari is universe level

LOL, LMFAO

Hahahahahahahaha.... see doesnt make sense right (even i not agree with that because too ridiculous)..

Because if that please use canon material and common sense

4. Please think about this,, Ichigo destroy hado 90 with 1 hand,, but get hurt by aizen fragor (only mountain level and faile to destroy karakura town)

Which mean aizen Fragor (ichigo can't tank it completely) >>> Hado 90 (ichigo destroy it)

If fragor really 23 time's hotter than sun (350.000.000'c),, then earth will destroy, or ATLEAST ichigo friend's wll die because the heat

But the fact,, Earth not destroy, and Ichigo friend's (Normal Human) not die.. and they even see and watch that Fragor explode

Then that attack is not that heat at all.. and Hado 90 is not a black hole

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#102 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: that's exactly the problem most people on this site are naruto fans and I bleach has been the rival for naruto for as long as I can remember and if you are a naruto fan it will be hard for you to accept defeat from your rival

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#103 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

Me and @thelocust619 have already gone in-depth as to why the bleachverse and fanbase is how it is today, and why the narutoverse and fanbase is how it is. Bleach will always be weaker than Naruto as a whole

Very few characters in Bleach can hang with Naruto high tiers, and those are guys like Yamamoto, Aizen, Ichigo, and Kenpachi

Only one person in Bleach can hang with Naruto god-tiers, and that is Ywach

several people in Naruto could arguable duo (naruto and sauce, juudara and juubito) and one could arguably solo (Kaguya)

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#104 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio
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#105 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: you mean yhwach and aizen ichigo and ichibei

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#106 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: that's exactly the problem most people on this site are naruto fans and I bleach has been the rival for naruto for as long as I can remember and if you are a naruto fan it will be hard for you to accept defeat from your rival

I'm a fan of both, and I have extensive knowledge on both Bleach and Naruto, which is why I can say without bias that the narutoverse is stronger

But bleach isn't a weak verse by any means, a lot of the characters and fights suffer from plot interference and PIS, so they're depicted weaker than they actually are

I just don't think bleach deserves the hate it gets

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#107 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: @god_vulcan:

Me and @thelocust619 have already gone in-depth as to why the bleachverse and fanbase is how it is today, and why the narutoverse and fanbase is how it is. Bleach will always be weaker than Naruto as a whole

Very few characters in Bleach can hang with Naruto high tiers, and those are guys like Yamamoto, Aizen, Ichigo, and Kenpachi

Only one person in Bleach can hang with Naruto god-tiers, and that is Ywach

several people in Naruto could arguable duo (naruto and sauce, juudara and juubito) and one could arguably solo (Kaguya)

can you explain how exactly kaguya solos the verse

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#108 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

can you explain how exactly kaguya solos the verse

I said arguably, which means a case can be made for the contrary

but she's faster than anyone in the verse by a wide margin, and her expansive TSB can destroy a planet

But it takes some prep time

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#109 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@universeichigo1 said:

@god_vulcan: that's exactly the problem most people on this site are naruto fans and I bleach has been the rival for naruto for as long as I can remember and if you are a naruto fan it will be hard for you to accept defeat from your rival

I'm a fan of both, and I have extensive knowledge on both Bleach and Naruto, which is why I can say without bias that the narutoverse is stronger

But bleach isn't a weak verse by any means, a lot of the characters and fights suffer from plot interference and PIS, so they're depicted weaker than they actually are

I just don't think bleach deserves the hate it gets

also explain this and i will give reasons why that isn't true

clearly you are a fan of naruto more than bleach to even utter the word kaguya solos the verse

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#110 Posted by KingZod (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 4? Hashi or Madara would murk him so bad...

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#111 Edited by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan:

@universeichigo1 said:

can you explain how exactly kaguya solos the verse

I said arguably, which means a case can be made for the contrary

but she's faster than anyone in the verse by a wide margin, and her expansive TSB can destroy a planet

But it takes some prep time

what faster, stop

she will get blitzed by these people

mimihagi

yhwach

aizen

ichigo

destroying a planet is nothing compared to destroying three dimensions

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#112 Edited by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

@universeichigo1 said:

also explain this and i will give reasons why that isn't true

clearly you are a fan of naruto more than bleach to even utter the word kaguya solos the verse

Bleach has hax over naruto that's it. And some abilities are broken, especially with the intro of sternritters, but the characters never really used them well

Naruto beats bleach verse in everything else. God tiers in bleach are island to country level, but there are several characters in Naruto that can bust continents

And Naruto has several relativistic to light speed characters, Might Guy was warping space with speed alone so he's easily faster than the entire bleachverse, which caps at MHS+

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#113 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

what faster, stop

She's faster than both Naruto and Sasuke

she will get blitzed by these people

mimihagi

No

yhwach

No

aizen

No

ichigo

No

All the people you named are MHS+ Kaguya is relativistic

destroying a planet is nothing compared to destroying three dimensions

Kaguya has created more dimensions than that

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#114 Edited by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

About hax...

Bleach fans can use Yhwach NLF hax,, Strennitter hax,, Gotei 13 hax,, aizen hax ect hax

But why no one of naruto fans using SO6P Hax??

WHICH MEAN ONLY SENJUTSU or Pure Physical attack (atleast as strong as 8th Gate Gai Ryuu Kick) that can Hurt or affect the user's (Kaguya, Naruto, Juudara, Juubito)

And yeeeeaaahhhhh

I know, that is NLF..

LOL

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#115 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: just for info

Kaguya created 6 Dimentions (Magma, Acid, Ice, Sand, Rock, Gravity) more than 6 by Zetsu word

And each dimention has Planet Moon and Sun (there are day and night in kaguya dimention.. day in ice dimention when narusuke vs kaguya AND night in ice dimention when sasuke vs kinshiki,, which mean that earth is has rotation and kaguya dimention has Sun)

And not only that,, kaguya try to destroy 1 dimention and created another dimention (but failed because Naruto PIS no jutsu)

Sorry for my bad english

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#116 Posted by linsanel_Doctor (8630 posts) - - Show Bio

Im always amazed at how devoted some people are to Naruto lore

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#117 Edited by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@universeichigo1 said:

what faster, stop

She's faster than both Naruto and Sasuke

she will get blitzed by these people

mimihagi

No

yhwach

No

aizen

No

ichigo

No

All the people you named are MHS+ Kaguya is relativistic

destroying a planet is nothing compared to destroying three dimensions

Kaguya has created more dimensions than that

yeah more planet size dimensions

why mimihagi is faster?

it takes 10 days with shunpo to go from soul palace to soul society it was said by the royal guards

now the fastest royal guard if ichibei who traveled 4000km in an instant

distance = velocity * time

distance = 4000 * 7 * 24 * 60 * 60

distance= 2,419,200,000km

mimihagi traveled this by lowballing in 5 seconds as seen here

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2,419,200,000km/5

483,840,000km/s

1612.8 times faster than light

and yhwach blitzed this guy

so he is at least 2 that speed

and ichigo and aizen kept up to his speed

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#118 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

yeah more planet size dimensions

They have stars

why mimihagi is faster?

it takes 10 days with shunpo to go from soul palace to soul society it was said by the royal guards

now the fastest royal guard if ichibei who traveled 4000km in an instant

distance = velocity * time

distance = 4000 * 7 * 24 * 60 * 60

distance= 2,419,200,000km

mimihagi traveled this by lowballing in 5 seconds as seen here

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2,419,200,000km/5

483,840,000km/s

1612.8 times faster than light

and yhwach blitzed this guy

so he is at least 2 that speed

and ichigo and aizen kept up to his speed

Wtf there's not timeframe in manga so don't automatically assume one

There's no way to know how many seconds it took so your entire calc is wrong

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#119 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

@linglung said:

@god_vulcan: just for info

Kaguya created 6 Dimentions (Magma, Acid, Ice, Sand, Rock, Gravity) more than 6 by Zetsu word

And each dimention has Planet Moon and Sun (there are day and night in kaguya dimention.. day in ice dimention when narusuke vs kaguya AND night in ice dimention when sasuke vs kinshiki,, which mean that earth is has rotation and kaguya dimention has Sun)

And not only that,, kaguya try to destroy 1 dimention and created another dimention (but failed because Naruto PIS no jutsu)

Sorry for my bad english

@universeichigo1 ^

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#120 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio
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#121 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

@universeichigo1: ummmm.... okay?

What does that have to do with her other dimensions? Like the desert dimension which clearly has a sun?

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#122 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: still doesn't match 2 universe size dimension(real world and soul dimension) and 1 smaller universe dimension(hueco mundo)

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#123 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: still doesn't match 2 universe size dimension(real world and soul dimension) and 1 smaller universe dimension(hueco mundo)

whaaaaaa? So ywach is universe lvl now? And even that is only statements...

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#124 Edited by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan:

soul king power held the real world and soul dimension alive and no he isn't just a lynchpin

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#125 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

@universeichigo1: I've seen that before, but I don't think that I, nor any other person who actually read bleach, took that literally to mean the soul society is a universe with countless galaxies inside, which in turn has countless star systems, which in turn has countless stars and planets

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#126 Edited by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: the author wrote it three times and authors opinion >>>>>>> yours

and yes there are people who take that seriously a lot

soul society it self isn't a universe but when you refer to it as a dimension it is a universe

because it is equivalent to real world which has galaxy and stuff

and when gremmy bfr zaraki to space you could see galaxies and stars

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#127 Edited by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

@universeichigo1: ok man... I can't argue against scans, and I'm not gonna be stubborn and say "I don't believe that"

But if we go off of feats, then it's an entirely different story

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#128 Posted by Azureus (2753 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus said:

Y'all crazy. No way is EoS Ichigo to Hashirama. Stops at 4.

Someone said Hashirama could solo Bleach, lol.

Wild. Yamamoto incinerates him.

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#129 Edited by Hulkage (5322 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: He has no feats suggesting he would tag Hashirama or Madara who both have reaction to easily counter coupled with sage sensing for both and body movement reading for Madara. They each have techniques that Ichigo has no answer for at all including limbo, poison, soul steal, energy drain, DC, sealing, Gedo statue, and blunt force attacks above anything he has dealt with and there are plenty of other options that the can go with. Also seeing as Hashirama fought Madara who decapitated a mountain chain on Panel mid fight and could bust mountains just by unsheathing his sword I'd say they both have ways of dealing with mountain busting sword attacks. The difference is that they both can take mountain level blunt force attacks with ease, something Ichigo hasn't shown to be able to do.

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#130 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: bleach still wins with feat

kaguya never landed tha bijuu so not considered as feat

yhwach destroyed and recreated a country with his mind

vast lorde ichigo destroyed half of hell

Eos ichigo broke 72 barreir from soul palace

base lille one shotted to cities

again hado 90 gravity

ichibei took all darkness the entire universe to kill yhwach

zaraki with eye patch (half power) oneshotted a metoer 1/3 of sereitei

what a naruto best feat that goes up against this

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#131 Posted by Azureus (2753 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan said:
@universeichigo1 said:

what faster, stop

She's faster than both Naruto and Sasuke

she will get blitzed by these people

mimihagi

No

yhwach

No

aizen

No

ichigo

No

All the people you named are MHS+ Kaguya is relativistic

destroying a planet is nothing compared to destroying three dimensions

Kaguya has created more dimensions than that

yeah more planet size dimensions

why mimihagi is faster?

it takes 10 days with shunpo to go from soul palace to soul society it was said by the royal guards

now the fastest royal guard if ichibei who traveled 4000km in an instant

distance = velocity * time

distance = 4000 * 7 * 24 * 60 * 60

distance= 2,419,200,000km

mimihagi traveled this by lowballing in 5 seconds as seen here

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2,419,200,000km/5

483,840,000km/s

1612.8 times faster than light

and yhwach blitzed this guy

so he is at least 2 that speed

and ichigo and aizen kept up to his speed

First off all moons and stars have been seen in Kaguya's dimensions so that puts the dimensions at Stellar level.

Second, it takes 7 days not 10 days to reach the Soul King's palace from the Sereitei and that's only when using the circular stairs. Not in a straight line like Mimihagi did. Furthermore, Ichibei never pushed Yhwach 1000 ri or travelled that distance. If you are trying to argue that he was pushed 1000 ri, that means the platform they were on was hundreds of km long and wide and that Yhwach and Ichibei were giants.

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#132 Edited by thelocust619 (7854 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: I'm not even gonna get involved with that dude, but for you, notice that one scan talking about SS dumping into the living world? 3rd scan down? They straight up refer to both of them together as the universe (and visually represent them as such), so obviously neither is the size of a universe alone. He disproved himself. People who actually try backing up headcanon are the easiest cuz they tend to do all your work for you, all you gotta do is point back to their own posts lol

Using a single instant as a timeframe was pretty hilarious, though...

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#133 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: i sad 7 not 10 days

ichibei traveled the distance as seen here

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yes he traveled the distance

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#134 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelocust619: he referred to the universe they were in saying the whole universe will tilt and you clearly see the two universes colliding and the real world is equivalent to earth so the real dimension and the soul dimension are equivalent

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#135 Edited by thelocust619 (7854 posts) - - Show Bio

@universeichigo1: I was talking to someone else, I don't have time to talk to you. I'm dying. I only have like 60 years left to live.

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#136 Posted by universeichigo1 (1828 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelocust619: oh sorry for interrupting just correcting your wrongs

goodluck on dynig

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#137 Posted by HigherPower (12399 posts) - - Show Bio

lol

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#138 Edited by IAmDuck (1159 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_vulcan: by character statement as long as you don't have either Senjutsu or extreme levels of physical might you ain't gonna be bothering a Six Path Senjutsu user

See how horrible character statements can be?

Now I wonder if the universe reads this and finally notices his mistake

Because by character statements Six Path Senjutsu users are practically invincible

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#139 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18512 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkage:

He has no feats suggesting he would tag Hashirama or Madara

If a much weaker version of Ichigo can react to Gin's mach 500 attack, then it is kind of silly to say an Ichigo who is at least 10 times faster couldn't hang with them. Tbh prime Ichigo could be over 100x faster than he was vs Gin.

They each have techniques that Ichigo has no answer for at all including limbo, poison, soul steal, energy drain, DC, sealing, Gedo statue, and blunt force attacks above anything he has dealt with and there are plenty of other options that the can go with.

Ichigo is far above them in physicals. And he has taken blunt force attacks above there level if you go off of Kenpachi's casual city level meteor smash.

Also seeing as Hashirama fought Madara who decapitated a mountain chain on Panel mid fight and could bust mountains just by unsheathing his sword I'd say they both have ways of dealing with mountain busting sword attacks.

The thing is Hashirama's giant golem counters Madara's giant Susanoo. Teh golem could never stop something as small as Ichigo. He would just go straight for Hashirama's body. Obviously if Ichigo was dumb enough to fight the golem, then he would have a problem.

The difference is that they both can take mountain level blunt force attacks with ease, something Ichigo hasn't shown to be able to do.

A weaker version of Ichigo tanked a mountain level explosion at point blank already.

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#140 Posted by Azureus (2753 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: i sad 7 not 10 days

ichibei traveled the distance as seen here

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yes he traveled the distance

No you said 10 days, read your own post.

Second, that distance isn't 1000 ri. The platform they were fighting on wasn't even a few hundred metres long, and Yhwach was smacked a distanc smaller than that platform. That is clearly not 1000 ri. The Sereitei isn't even that big.

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#141 Posted by Azureus (2753 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkage:

He has no feats suggesting he would tag Hashirama or Madara

If a much weaker version of Ichigo can react to Gin's mach 500 attack, then it is kind of silly to say an Ichigo who is at least 10 times faster couldn't hang with them. Tbh prime Ichigo could be over 100x faster than he was vs Gin.

They each have techniques that Ichigo has no answer for at all including limbo, poison, soul steal, energy drain, DC, sealing, Gedo statue, and blunt force attacks above anything he has dealt with and there are plenty of other options that the can go with.

Ichigo is far above them in physicals. And he has taken blunt force attacks above there level if you go off of Kenpachi's casual city level meteor smash.

Also seeing as Hashirama fought Madara who decapitated a mountain chain on Panel mid fight and could bust mountains just by unsheathing his sword I'd say they both have ways of dealing with mountain busting sword attacks.

The thing is Hashirama's giant golem counters Madara's giant Susanoo. Teh golem could never stop something as small as Ichigo. He would just go straight for Hashirama's body. Obviously if Ichigo was dumb enough to fight the golem, then he would have a problem.

The difference is that they both can take mountain level blunt force attacks with ease, something Ichigo hasn't shown to be able to do.

A weaker version of Ichigo tanked a mountain level explosion at point blank already.

Gin lied about the speed of his bankai. It doesn't expand at all. Better scaling would be Ichigo casually dodging Candice's lightning.

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#142 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18512 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus: I thought he lied about how it expanded, not how fast it expanded.

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#143 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18512 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus:

Second, that distance isn't 1000 ri. The platform they were fighting on wasn't even a few hundred metres long, and Yhwach was smacked a distanc smaller than that platform. That is clearly not 1000 ri. The Sereitei isn't even that big.

It takes 40 days to walk around the sereitie according the manga, which would put it at the size of a small country.

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#144 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@azureus:

Second, that distance isn't 1000 ri. The platform they were fighting on wasn't even a few hundred metres long, and Yhwach was smacked a distanc smaller than that platform. That is clearly not 1000 ri. The Sereitei isn't even that big.

It takes 40 days to walk around the sereitie according the manga, which would put it at the size of a small country.

It's size was directly shown in the manga actually, and it's smaller than even vatican city.

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#145 Posted by AlexTheBoss (18512 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1:

It's size was directly shown in the manga actually, and it's smaller than even vatican city.

Kubo just has no idea what he is doing. Look at that pick and now look at this one. Last time I checked Jidanbo isn't the size of a large building

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It is stated right here it is a 10 day walk from one gate to another. I know it looks like a small city, but that's Kubo for you. I agree we shouldn't call it country sized, but I think at least city level.

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#146 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (31807 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss:

Kubo just has no idea what he is doing. Look at that pick and now look at this one. Last time I checked Jidanbo isn't the size of a large building. I know it looks like a small city, but that's Kubo for you.

Unfortunately, he's the one writing the series lol

It is stated right here it is a 10 day walk from one gate to another.

They don't walk that way though, so we don't know what's taking so much time.

I agree we shouldn't call it country sized, but I think at least city level.

Yeah, that sounds about right. There are several panels scattered throughout the arc that indicate a similar size, but this is the clearest one.

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#147 Posted by linglung (2213 posts) - - Show Bio

@iamduck said:

@god_vulcan: by character statement as long as you don't have either Senjutsu or extreme levels of physical might you ain't gonna be bothering a Six Path Senjutsu user

See how horrible character statements can be?

Now I wonder if the universe reads this and finally notices his mistake

Because by character statements Six Path Senjutsu users are practically invincible

THIS

and by Kishimoto Statement (DATABOOK = CANON) temari is universe level LOL

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and yeah... i know that is ridiculous

LOL

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#148 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@linglung: that was a hyperbole. People get so worked up about statements in Naruto, but they can't obviously tell when something is or isn't serious.

Amaterasu is hot as the sun: hyperbole

Susanoo can destroy the universe: hyperbole

tornado blowing the universe away: hyperbole. I mean, how does that even work?

Kaguya destroying a dimension: that is actually believable, since they were her dimensions, and zetsu was acting like it's happened before.

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#149 Posted by sladerulez (10000 posts) - - Show Bio

@linglung: Kishimoto meant to make yin-yang release invulnerable to everything, except the one thing Naruto and Sasuke has access to. after seeing how broken that was, He decided to add physical damage being capabke of harming then, but then they had regen. and Naruto/Sasuke were the only two who could fight it.

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#150 Posted by Azureus (2753 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruh, when you the only who believes the Sereitei is small country...