EOS Aizen vs Juubi Madara

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Who wins ?

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Madara Dominates him. KS won’t work on him cause of his dojutsu like Sharingan/Rinnegan, and chibaku Tensei seals him. Only way Aizen can win is if he Kido seals him but Madara pummels before that happens.

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Juubidara solo's bleachverse.

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Madara has no way of killing Aizen, and rocks don’t work as seals since Aizen could easily split that rock in two and Shinigami have resistance to gravity manipulation. Heck, even Chad can resist gravity manipulation.

Aizen should win over time.

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Aizen dominates.

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@gilateen said:

Madara Dominates him. KS won’t work on him cause of his dojutsu like Sharingan/Rinnegan, and chibaku Tensei seals him. Only way Aizen can win is if he Kido seals him but Madara pummels before that happens.

Not at all. Soul Crush. Its not restricted here, and Aizen probably has the highest possible form of it.

If SC is restricted, then Madara does probably win, but not even remotely a stomp.

As far as KS not working, also probably not true. Sharingan allows people to be aware of Genjutsu because of the Chakra. There is no Chakra with KS. Madara could probably break it in the same way Genjutsu is broken, but he would have to be aware of it. There are many examples of Sharingan users being caught in Genjutsu.

There is also unbreakable Dojutsu, Kotoamatsukami was said to be unbreakable in the Manga. So there is a precedent for Madara maybe not being able to break it. Thats a stretch though.

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Aizen soul crushing Juubi Madara LMAO

OT: Been done to death. Madara still stomps.

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*Sigh*

Reikaku, so no Genjutsu

Trying to seal Aizen with rocks is just as ridiculous.

Aizen spreads Madara's cheeks and claps him hard.

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#10  Edited By UltimateSage

Lmao, another one??

Just the other thousand times this has been done........Madara one shots the fodder. Basic Genjutsu lv KS is doing absolutely nothing here

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#11  Edited By NotCensored

Just use standard battle assumption from now on smh I'm actually tired of all this Genjutsu=/=KS nonsense let their abilities work regardless of mechanics

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Just use standard battle assumption from now on smh I'm actually tired of all this Genjutsu=/=KS nonsense

bu-but KS wOrKeD on yhwach.......T_T.......lol

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#13  Edited By NotCensored

@ultimatesage said:
@notcensored said:

Just use standard battle assumption from now on smh I'm actually tired of all this Genjutsu=/=KS nonsense

bu-but KS wOrKeD on yhwach.......T_T.......lol

bu-but KS dOeSn'T hAvE tHe SaMe WeAkNeSsEs as Genjutsu..........X_X.......

*Meanwhile Itachi putting Kakashi in Genjutsu and him trying those exact weaknesses and fails even tho he has a direct counter to Genjutsu

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@wanderez: sensing doesnt counter any decent genjutsu, just ask C.

Anyways madara beats him until he's unconscious or gets bored halfway and turns him into a zetsu.

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Madara stomps so bad it's not even funny

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#16  Edited By LeoTheGreatest

@manimalman:

sensing doesnt counter any decent genjutsu, just ask C.

It counters illusionary genjutsu not incap genjutsu which is what was used on C.

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#17  Edited By RikuYamaha

isn't charka physical and spiritual energy?

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Madara stomps

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@rikuyamaha:

Chakra is physical and MENTAL energy, if you want official scans ask Kingogkings

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#21  Edited By NotCensored

@wanderez said:

@rikuyamaha:

Chakra is physical and MENTAL energy, if you want official scans ask Kingogkings

It contains spiritual energy as well there is this thing called Yin Release which clarifies that spiritual and mental energy are basically the same thing Fukasaku mentions something similar, i mean its even directly connected to their souls it shouldn't be that much of a surprise

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@wanderez said:

@rikuyamaha:

Chakra is physical and MENTAL energy, if you want official scans ask Kingogkings

what i can find is it saying spiritual energy and physical energy.

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@notcensored: Yes........ People just have to lowball Naruto characters at every turn.

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Madara low diffs.

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This has been done how many times now?

Madara stomps.

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#26  Edited By Wanderez

@rikuyamaha:

I cant tag him cause im on mobile, i can only reply. Anyways, just ask Kingogkings to show you the scans. I dont have them, however i remember that he had them a long time ago.

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@wanderez: its composed of mental, spiritual and physical energy.

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Madara.

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#29  Edited By Revold

Regardless if Hogyoku is truly sentient, IT wouldn't work on it since it has no vision. The victims of IT knew that they are in Genjutsu at first. So even if Aizen's own spiritual energy won't work, the Hogyoku can sense his desire and break him out.

KS probably won't work Madara either assuming that he can see with his third eye. Madara probably have more chakra than Aizen overall so even though only some of it is spiritual energy, he definitely isn't getting soul crushed.

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Lmao, another one??

Just the other thousand times this has been done........Madara one shots the fodder. Basic Genjutsu lv KS is doing absolutely nothing here

That is a oversimplification. No Basic Genjutsu has ever been used to the effect of KS. In fact, its usually the high tier Genjutsu that is comparable.

Also, Soul Crush. May not be a fun debatable topic, but its a thing that exists that narutoheads forget about all the time.

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Juubidara still godmurderstomps.

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@ultimatesage said:

Lmao, another one??

Just the other thousand times this has been done........Madara one shots the fodder. Basic Genjutsu lv KS is doing absolutely nothing here

That is a oversimplification. No Basic Genjutsu has ever been used to the effect of KS. In fact, its usually the high tier Genjutsu that is comparable.

KS= control 5 senses

Basic Genjutsu= control 5 senses

.......yeah, KS got nothing against the high tier genjutsus lol

Also, Soul Crush. May not be a fun debatable topic, but its a thing that exists that narutoheads forget about all the time.

Right..........show feats of Aizen "soul crushing" someone on Madara's lv or anyone stronger than him for that matter:/

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@revold: IT doesnt need sight to work, the light just needs to touch you.

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@manimalman:

sensing doesnt counter any decent genjutsu, just ask C.

It counters illusionary genjutsu not incap genjutsu which is what was used on C.

The second mizukage's illusions worked fine against multiple sensors who tried to overcome his genjutsu.

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@ultimatesage said:

Lmao, another one??

Just the other thousand times this has been done........Madara one shots the fodder. Basic Genjutsu lv KS is doing absolutely nothing here

That is a oversimplification. No Basic Genjutsu has ever been used to the effect of KS. In fact, its usually the high tier Genjutsu that is comparable.

Also, Soul Crush. May not be a fun debatable topic, but its a thing that exists that narutoheads forget about all the time.

KS' illusions arent that complicated, manipulating the victims senses is standard far for genjutsu. High level genjutsu has effects that KS hasnt shown.

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@manimalman:

The second mizukage's illusions worked fine against multiple sensors who tried to overcome his genjutsu.

This wasn’t an instance and Reikaku is above regular sensing abilities.

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Leo, shuddup before I kick you in the lower countries

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Less than 1 week until the CaV

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@revold: IT doesnt need sight to work, the light just needs to touch you.

All Genjutsu we've seen so far requires some form to administer it either being visual or sound-based. The only special one is Izanami which works on all senses and Izanagi which is more like reverse Genjutsu.

Since it requires light so it's obvious that it requires vision. The regular Tsukuyomi requires vision as well so unless you have specific reasons to believe that, IT doesn't need sight despite light needing to touch you is an assumption that makes no sense.

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KS= control 5 senses

Basic Genjutsu= control 5 senses

.......yeah, KS got nothing against the high tier genjutsus lol

Right..........show feats of Aizen "soul crushing" someone on Madara's lv or anyone stronger than him for that matter:/

Again, Basic genjutsu has NEVER been used to the effect of KS. No one uses GJ then engages in combat. Genjutsu is a one off type ability in Naruto. The only time Genjutsu is paired with actual combat is higher tier genjutsu. Even then, KS is not chakra based and there is no equalization. Sharingan allows counters to GJ because they are AWARE of it via seeing Chakra. Madara can't see KS. If he became aware of it, such as slashing a illusion, he could likely dispel it, but has to become aware first.

Show me a example of Madara having soul resistance? Its not a matter of him using it on other people. Its a thing that Madara has no counter for that happens naturally.

There is no doubt that Aizen has more innate power then Madara. He was going to destroy 6 city sized structures, 1 million+ miles away, just with his Reiatsu.

Madara is physically stronger, and faster then Aizen. But the moment Madara tries to do anything physical with Aizen, he dies to SC.

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@Aristeaus:

1. If you think then might as well say “SC crush gg” then it shows that Aizen can’t beat him in a straight up fight, I doubt SC will work tbh. How about “Genjutsu gg” then?

2. Could say the same with Genjutsu, but Madara won’t really need it to pummel him.

3. KS is still an illusion and can be seen through by Sharingan, Hebi Sasuke only used 3-Tomoe Sharingan to see through itachi’s Tsukuyomi which has better feats than KS since it affects time and space while KS only affects the 5 sense, something which Genjutsu does but more. I don’t see why Madara can’t see though KS with his dojutsu, plus he has limbo for offense and defense, and can which places with it if he gets caught in Aizen Kido.

3. Don’t Compare KS to Koto, it’s not helping.

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Lmao, another one??

Just the other thousand times this has been done........Madara one shots the fodder. Basic Genjutsu lv KS is doing absolutely nothing here

KS>Any genjutsu in Naruto, debunked this bullshit a hundred times already, only people who doesn't understand that KS is superior are people literally ignoring feats and creating their own headcannon based of hyperboles.

Also, Juubi Madara>EOS Aizen.

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Madara throws a casual attack and solos

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KS wank and Genjutsu downplay ewwwwww

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#45  Edited By naknoemo00
@manimalman said:
@Aristeaus said:
@ultimatesage said:

Lmao, another one??

Just the other thousand times this has been done........Madara one shots the fodder. Basic Genjutsu lv KS is doing absolutely nothing here

That is a oversimplification. No Basic Genjutsu has ever been used to the effect of KS. In fact, its usually the high tier Genjutsu that is comparable.

Also, Soul Crush. May not be a fun debatable topic, but its a thing that exists that narutoheads forget about all the time.

KS' illusions arent that complicated, manipulating the victims senses is standard far for genjutsu. High level genjutsu has effects that KS hasnt shown.

Ridiculous. KS keeps you in a genjutsu for an entire lifetime, the user can affect you with KS and activate it years later, the target doesn't even know he/she has been hit by it, not even Yhwach could understand he was affected. Aizen can literally tell you that you're under it and it doesn't matter, nothing can break KS, only Yhwach was able to break it due to reality altering powers.

Also, this line here "High level genjutsu has effects that KS hasnt shown." why does it matter what "effects" a ability has when the purpose of that ability is to work and grant the user the desired outcome? This is a nonsensical argument, KS is simple, but it is so powerful, effective and impossible to counter that it simply gets the job done, it doesn't need more "effects". Also, I could say the opposite, nothing in the Naruto verse can do what KS does, show me a genjutsu that keeps you under it effects for hundreds of years while constantly manipulating you, every second, while you never know that you're under it, life goes on, day by day as normaly, year after year, you're believing what you see is reality while the ability is showing you what it wants you to see and you'll never tell the difference.

Don't get me wrong, I can't say for sure if KS could be countered by Juubi Madara or not, as he is insanely powerful and hax, but I know this much, rest of the Naruto genjutsu like MS sure as hell wont work on him, not even close.

To sum this up, KS>Naruto genjutsu, all of them.

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@Aristeaus:

Again, Basic genjutsu has NEVER been used to the effect of KS.

wut? Did KS do something else besides controlling the 5 senses.......just like basic Genjutsu does

No one uses GJ then engages in combat. Genjutsu is a one off type ability in Naruto.

Itachi, kakashi, Kurenai, Madara, and Sasuke say hi.

The only time Genjutsu is paired with actual combat is higher tier genjutsu. Even then, KS is not chakra based and there is no equalization. Sharingan allows counters to GJ because they are AWARE of it via seeing Chakra. Madara can't see KS. If he became aware of it, such as slashing a illusion, he could likely dispel it, but has to become aware first.

Energies don't have to be equalized for Madara to be able to see through KS, he's sharingan will just see through the illusion. And no, the sharingan being able to see chakra therefore becomes "aware" of the Genjutsu does not make them see through the Genjutsu. If that was true then everyone with a Byakugan would straighten up be superior to the sharingan, no?

Show me a example of Madara having soul resistance? Its not a matter of him using it on other people. Its a thing that Madara has no counter for that happens naturally.

Really?? Can momo soul crush kaguya? Can she soul crush madara too? Show feats of Aizen using soul crush on someone stronger than him, even if it doesn't matter: soul crush gg no more

There is no doubt that Aizen has more innate power then Madara. He was going to destroy 6 city sized structures, 1 million+ miles away, just with his Reiatsu.

Aizen "said', but like every statement in bleach......where's the feat? And lol, I could use statements too, the juubi.....you know thing madara absorbed?yeah that thing, it has "immeasurable" amounts of energy.....what do you think about that??

For reals, no, madara has more power than Aizen any day, that's why he's more powerful than him lol

Madara is physically stronger, and faster then Aizen. But the moment Madara tries to do anything physical with Aizen, he dies to SC

You're right, madara is stronger, faster, more durable, has more technique s to one shot or seal, and can always Genjutsu the guy

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KS>Naruto Genjutsu? Just cause you say so? Suurree.

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And here comes Mr. KS wOrKeD on yhwach durr........

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@wanderez said:

@rikuyamaha:

Chakra is physical and MENTAL energy, if you want official scans ask Kingogkings

what i can find is it saying spiritual energy and physical energy.

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Don't use poop fan translated scans, use the official ones.

https://imgur.com/a/ONn5eZq