@kalebsmarty156: It's hard to say, but by feats alone they seem to be on a similar level. Yhwach's hype can put him higher, but the demon King is supposedly a god with some control over life and death.
EOS Aizen VS Demon King Meliodas
@darkstorm999
This dude left comic vine cuz he was tired of NNt lowballing and cocksuckers
@mevbi: oh.
@kalebsmarty156: It's hard to say, but by feats alone they seem to be on a similar level. Yhwach's hype can put him higher, but the demon King is supposedly a god with some control over life and death.
Yhwach is leagues above him in feats, statements and lore.
You have to have a pretty twisted way to look at Bleach if you think they’re on the same level.
Yhwach is leagues above him in feats
Their feats seem pretty comparable imo
statements and lore
Yeah, by statements Yhwach can be put at planet level, lore wise he is pretty much the god of his verse, but the demon king is also one of the gods of his verse as well.
You have to have a pretty twisted way to look at Bleach if you think they’re on the same level.
Ascended Aizen considered destroying mountains with the swing of a sword impressive. It was even beyond what he predicted and Aizen assumed he could beat the zero squad and kill the soul king. In the final arc Urahara said Aizen "might" have gotten stronger since he fought Ichigo, so the gap in power shouldn't be that huge. Yhwach was clearly going to destroy and reform the worlds, but he clearly couldn't do it instantaneously, his power had to spread and it was going to take time. Yhwach can effect and change the entire planet, but that doesn't mean he can use planetary power in combat. I can't really justify putting Yhwach above country level attack potency based off of feats. If I had to choose between the demon King and Yhwach, I would say Yhwach wins, as I have Yhwach at country level while I have the demon King at island level, but I do think they are relatively similar, but Yhwach has better hax.
@alextheboss: ywach only country level? Dafuq wrong with you? ?
You basically implying he is only as strong as shikai kenpachi... you're gonna get a ton of hate bro.
ywach only country level? Dafuq wrong with you? ?
I've seen people put him as low as mountain level, lol.
You basically implying he is only as strong as shikai kenpachi... you're gonna get a ton of hate bro.
I don't think shikai Kenpachi is country level.
And you said the demon King stomps, so if you shikai think Kenpachi is country level, you should think Aizen wins here since he is stronger than shikai Kenpachi. The Demon King really has nothing to prove he is beyond island level.
@alextheboss: i said demon king stomps via feats...and
Shikai Kenpachi is in fact country level, that's been proving and agreed with throughout CV.
i said demon king stomps via feats...and
But the demon King doesn't have any country level feats?
Shikai Kenpachi is in fact country level, that's been proving and agreed with throughout CV.
Lol no it hasn't. A bunch of people only consider the seireitei to by city sized. If we accept that the seireitei is the size of a country, than sure the feat should be country level. But many people on here don't accept that. I think calling the feat island level is more fare. It can be lowballed to mountain level if you go just by how big the meteor looks.
Their feats seem pretty comparable imo
Yhwach wrecked the entire Sereitei, essentially lifted it for thousands of miles in at most a couple of minutes effortlessly and fought massively stronger characters. They aren't comparable.
Yeah, by statements Yhwach can be put at planet level, lore wise he is pretty much the god of his verse, but the demon king is also one of the gods of his verse as well.
There are like 10 statements putting him at the very least multi-planetary and you say only planet? The lore says the first soul king essentially created the verse. Just being one of the gods of his verse isn't cutting it for the DK.
Ascended Aizen considered destroying mountains with the swing of a sword impressive. It was even beyond what he predicted and Aizen assumed he could beat the zero squad and kill the soul king. In the final arc Urahara said Aizen "might" have gotten stronger since he fought Ichigo, so the gap in power shouldn't be that huge. Yhwach was clearly going to destroy and reform the worlds, but he clearly couldn't do it instantaneously, his power had to spread and it was going to take time. Yhwach can effect and change the entire planet, but that doesn't mean he can use planetary power in combat. I can't really justify putting Yhwach above country level attack potency based off of feats. If I had to choose between the demon King and Yhwach, I would say Yhwach wins, as I have Yhwach at country level while I have the demon King at island level, but I do think they are relatively similar, but Yhwach has better hax.
Ascended Aizen didn't think he destroyed a mountain with a swing of his sword, he thought he sublimated a mountain with a swing of his sword not. The power it takes to sublimate a mountain is way above simple mountain busting it's sad people don't know that. Also Aizen didn't actually have knowledge on the Zero squad to say that, he just thought because he was a transcendent that he could do it, not because of that feat.
Yhwach also scales to be massively above kenpachi who has a country level feat in a suppressed form. Everything points to the sereitei being country sized the only thing that people try to lowball with is the inconsistent on panel portrayals which shouldnt be a factor because as we saw with Las Noches as well he values his statements more than the on panel portrayals.
And he literally covered the Sereitei and was covering the entire Soul Society in a single page.
The whole "it would take time" notion is a fanfic, he covered all the range he needed in an instant while monologuing and was clearly going to go at a faster pace after his last statement.
Yhwach wrecked the entire Sereitei, essentially lifted it for thousands of miles in at most a couple of minutes effortlessly and fought massively stronger characters. They aren't comparable.
The demon King was able to constantly keep up this storm passively while standing in the middle of it.
The demon King tanked his head being slammed into the ground, which caused massive devastation for dozens of miles in all directions.
There are like 10 statements putting him at the very least multi-planetary and you say only planet?
But it doesn't give a time frame. It doesn't matter if he can destroy 3 planets over the span of a few days, as it won't translate to high speed battles.
Ascended Aizen didn't think he destroyed a mountain with a swing of his sword, he thought he sublimated a mountain with a swing of his sword not. The power it takes to sublimate a mountain is way above simple mountain busting it's sad people don't know that.
I know that, but size wize it wasn't really a mountain. At best I would put the shockwave itself at small mountain level, the actual strike would be at least mountain level.
Yhwach also scales to be massively above kenpachi who has a country level feat in a suppressed form.
I don't consider that feat country level. I would maybe put shikai Kenpachi at island level, with Aizen and Ichigo being country level and Yhwach being continent to planet surface level, but anything beyond that is too much scaling imo.
And he literally covered the Sereitei and was covering the entire Soul Society in a single page.
If we go by visuals the demon king's storm would have covered the seireitei.
The whole "it would take time" notion is a fanfic, he covered all the range he needed in an instant while monologuing and was clearly going to go at a faster pace after his last statement.
Show me where he covered the entire planet in an instant. Obviously he could do such to the seireitei, since he is at least isalnd-country level such a feat would be obvious.
@alextheboss: just watch the chapter...ban to baddass.?
@lordflawlez: There are a looooot of Bleachtards but at the same time, it's probably mostly 1 nerd who just has to act out and it's probably done as a parody of how this site downplays Bleach to extremely stupid levels. I mean hill level dangai Ichigo? Really guys?
On topic, EoS Aizen is supposed to be stronger than butterfly Aizen and while EoS Aizen hasn't created a big ol storm, he passively disintegrates people near him and can cast multiple hado 90s without an incantation, nevermind his immortality and regen.
The demon King was able to constantly keep up this storm passively while standing in the middle of it.
The demon King tanked his head being slammed into the ground, which caused massive devastation for dozens of miles in all directions.
Both are impressive feats, just not when compared to Yhwach who can replicate them effortlessly.
I know that, but size wize it wasn't really a mountain. At best I would put the shockwave itself at small mountain level, the actual strike would be at least mountain level.
This is what i'm talking about when i say twisted. First you called it a mountain and now after i tell you doing that to a mountain is significantly passed mountain level you say it's not even a mountain. Whether it's a hill or a mountain sublimating that much rock is significantly above mountain level and doing it with a shock wave is significantly above that.
I don't consider that feat country level. I would maybe put shikai Kenpachi at island level, with Aizen and Ichigo being country level and Yhwach being continent to planet surface level, but anything beyond that is too much scaling imo.
Right before you posted i edited that statement to this:
Yhwach also scales to be massively above kenpachi who has a country level feat in a suppressed form. Everything points to the Sereitei being country sized the only way that people try to downplay the size is with the inconsistent on panel portrayals which shouldn't be a factor because as we saw with Las Noches as well he values his statements more than the on panel portrayals. In the scan i posted the Sereitie would barely be city block level.
Shikai Kenpachi is country level and Aizen, Ichigo and Yhwach are massively above that. That's not "too much scaling". There are also the statements that we can go with. And btw Ichigo is >= Yhwach in raw power Yhwach only really has AoE above him.
If we go by visuals the demon king's storm would have covered the seireitei.
If we go by Kubo's intended size for the sereitei it wouldn't.
Show me where he covered the entire planet in an instant. Obviously he could do such to the seireitei, since he is at least isalnd-country level such a feat would be obvious.
Instant is a figure of speech but as you see in the fourth panel he was covering the rest of the planet.
But it doesn't give a time frame. It doesn't matter if he can destroy 3 planets over the span of a few days, as it won't translate to high speed battles.
I have absolutely no idea where you're getting "over the span of a few days" everything points to the fact he can do it in mere moments which does translate to highspeed battles especially considering he can hold his opponents in place while he does it.
@alextheboss: wait did a new chapter just release? oh shit.
Both are impressive feats, just not when compared to Yhwach who can replicate them effortlessly.
Well I don't actually think the demon king would beat Yhwach in the first place, I'm just saying on panel feats they are comparable, but we never saw Yhwach show off what is full power could really do. In an actual fight Yhwach would probably win pretty easily due to the almighty. Turn off the almighty and I could see it being a fight based off of feats alone.
This is what i'm talking about when i say twisted. First you called it a mountain and now after i tell you doing that to a mountain is significantly passed mountain level you say it's not even a mountain. Whether it's a hill or a mountain sublimating that much rock is significantly above mountain level and doing it with a shock wave is significantly above that.
But I never said Aizen was only mountain level, you are just putting words into my mouth. I consider ascended Aizen and dangai Ichigo at least multi mountain level. My point was Aizen was impressed by the damage done by the sword swing, whether it is beyond mountain level or not is completely irrelevant, as it isn't even 1 millionth of a percent of planet level.
And btw Ichigo is >= Yhwach in raw power Yhwach only really has AoE above him.
I gotta disagree. Yhwahc overpowered him multiple times without the almighty. He tanked his getsuga gran rey cero, caught is sword in his hand, and even after Ichigo used his bankai Yhwach was able to cut him, and that was before Yhwach absorbed the final Quincies and Ichigo's power. In the final battle when Yhwach was in his prime Ichigo was clearly running for his life and completely overpowered as Yhwach engulfed the area. Maybe Ichigo was above Yhwach when he fought him the first time, but I don't see how he could be above Yhwach the second time if Yhwach literally absorbed Ichigo's powers right beforehand.
Instant is a figure of speech but as you see in the fourth panel he was covering the rest of the planet.
The problem is that might be the dome of the seireitei that Yhwach's reiatsu is breaking out of. If that is legit the planet, I would agree Yhwach is planetary, but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be the seireitei shield.
I have absolutely no idea where you're getting "over the span of a few days" everything points to the fact he can do it in mere moments which does translate to highspeed battles especially considering he can hold his opponents in place while he does it.
But if he could really achieve his goal so quickly, why didn't he just destroy and reform the worlds right when he got the soul king's power? Instead he decided to create a new soul palace (which seemed to take a few minutes), go to sleep, have his quincy fight the soul reapers, wake up and fight Ichigo, then go to the soul society to fight Aizen, ect.
Well I don't actually think the demon king would beat Yhwach in the first place, I'm just saying on panel feats they are comparable, but we never saw Yhwach show off what is full power could really do. In an actual fight Yhwach would probably win pretty easily due to the almighty. Turn off the almighty and I could see it being a fight based off of feats alone.
Even without the almighty he's massively better in every catagory. And I don't see how it would be a fight based on feats alone as if these characters don't scale to other characters.
But I never said Aizen was only mountain level, you are just putting words into my mouth. I consider ascended Aizen and dangai Ichigo at least multi mountain level. My point was Aizen was impressed by the damage done by the sword swing, whether it is beyond mountain level or not is completely irrelevant, as it isn't even 1 millionth of a percent of planet level.
I'm talking about the structure, at first you called it a mountain now you're saying it isn't and you're trying to downplay with an irrelevant instance, sublimating a mountain with a showckwave is a ridiculous feat when you actually look into it.
I gotta disagree. Yhwahc overpowered him multiple times without the almighty. He tanked his getsuga gran rey cero, caught is sword in his hand, and even after Ichigo used his bankai Yhwach was able to cut him, and that was before Yhwach absorbed the final Quincies and Ichigo's power. In the final battle when Yhwach was in his prime Ichigo was clearly running for his life and completely overpowered as Yhwach engulfed the area. Maybe Ichigo was above Yhwach when he fought him the first time, but I don't see how he could be above Yhwach the second time if Yhwach literally absorbed Ichigo's powers right beforehand.
I'm talking about their first fight.
He blitzed Yhwach
And if it wasn't for his regeneration he would've killed him with his Gran Rey Cero
All while holding back.
The problem is that might be the dome of the seireitei that Yhwach's reiatsu is breaking out of. If that is legit the planet, I would agree Yhwach is planetary, but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be the seireitei shield.
I said the fourth panel which is clearly outside of the sereitei, the panel you're talking about is the third.
But if he could really achieve his goal so quickly, why didn't he just destroy and reform the worlds right when he got the soul king's power? Instead he decided to create a new soul palace (which seemed to take a few minutes), go to sleep, have his quincy fight the soul reapers, wake up and fight Ichigo, then go to the soul society to fight Aizen, ect.
He created it without any effort it taking seemingly minutes doesn't matter and he had an agenda he was taking his time he still wanted an encounter with Ichigo and to recruit Aizen, that's plot not a limit to his power.
@faradaysloth: because he didn't use it.
I'm talking about the structure, at first you called it a mountain now you're saying it isn't and you're trying to downplay with an irrelevant instance, sublimating a mountain with a showckwave is a ridiculous feat when you actually look into it.
I didn't call it a mountain I said "Aizen considered destroying mountains". It was actually Ichigo that called it a mountain, not Aizen, but still I never personally said I thought it was a mountain. I was just being generous by going with statements. Even if it was the biggest mountain in the world, it doesn't change the fact it isn't' even close to 1% planet level.
He blitzed Yhwach
There is not blitzing going on in the scans you posted. The explosion was just from Ichigo powering up, and then you just showed Ichigo rushing Yhwach and Yhwach pulling his sword. In the next few scans we see Yhwach caught that attack with his bare hand.
And if it wasn't for his regeneration he would've killed him with his Gran Rey Cero
He overpowered that attack as he flat out says Ichigo is out of his league.
Maybe with his bankai he would have been stronger than first fight Yhwach, but we never got to see Ichigo go all out at full power.
I said the fourth panel which is clearly outside of the sereitei, the panel you're talking about is the third.
Clearly that area isn't that big since we aren't seeing the curvature of the planet and hills and trees are plainly viewable.
Why wasn't The Ruler working like...at all?
It must be a case of "beginner's luck".
@alextheboss said:@leothegreatest:
I didn't call it a mountain I said "Aizen considered destroying mountains". It was actually Ichigo that called it a mountain, not Aizen, but still I never personally said I thought it was a mountain. I was just being generous by going with statements. Even if it was the biggest mountain in the world, it doesn't change the fact it isn't' even close to 1% planet level.
You were still by extension calling it a mountain yourself and i don't see why you're saying it's not close to planet level as if that matters. The top tiers are planet in AP, AOE and DC not necessarily physicals. And again sublimating with a shockwave is ridiculously above mountain level and butterfly Aizen is a farcry from EoS Aizen, Ichigo and Yhwach.
There is not blitzing going on in the scans you posted. The explosion was just from Ichigo powering up,
I never said anything about the explosion, i know it was just Ichigo powering up it's just part of the page and i didn't feel like cropping it.
and then you just showed Ichigo rushing Yhwach and Yhwach pulling his sword.
That's a blitz... Yhwach couldn't react to it.
In the next few scans we see Yhwach caught that attack with his bare hand.
He caught the swing of the sword after he was already blitzed.
He overpowered that attack as he flat out says Ichigo is out of his league.
After he was already cleaved through.. And Ichigo being out of his league is a flat out lie to break his spirits considering he had to resort to the Almighty.
Maybe with his bankai he would have been stronger than first fight Yhwach, but we never got to see Ichigo go all out at full power.
If his True Shikai HoS while still holding back can push Yhwach that far his Bankai should definitely be above Yhwach in power. Yhwach most likely broke it in a future where Ichigo already exhausted his power.
Clearly that area isn't that big since we aren't seeing the curvature of the planet and hills and trees are plainly viewable.
It's a small panel and i didn't say it was the entire planet i said it's clearly spreading around the planet at a fast rate and like i also said he was clearly speeding up by the end of his last statement.
Literally tagged you and proved mel is revelastic above
You actually didn't prove anything above.
Ok
Cuz Aizen is no where near Esca in strength
What feats does Escanor even have that would suggest he's superior?
Physichal strength?Escanor is miles ahead in front of Aizen in that category.Litteraly split Galand in half.Meliodas with lostvayne couldnt even scratch him, yet he cutted trough albion like butter and that was base Mel.
Turn anything to healing is nothing?
Feat for "anything"
*Any attack.My bad.
It is small country tho
If you believe Vatican and Monaco are small countries, sure. Otherwise, it' only a city.
If you believe 1.2 teratons are only Monaco and Vatican level, yes
this is ban
This is him next frame.Yet he regenaretad without trouble.Meliodas was able to injure him.
This wasn't relevant at all, Ban regenerated yes, however, the damage remained. Regen in NNT ONLY heal wounds, not damage.
the picture isnt workingBecause jumping several miles is high hypersonic. It's pretty clear you don't know how to calc speed with numbers. Jumping miles also has nothing to do with people who reactedto lightning. Travel Speed isn't Reaction Speed.
Merlin clearly said Galand jumped several miles out of merlin range
Yet her range was above 185 miles
No, she can teleport things for 186 Miles, the radius for an object for her to teleport is only several miles (3-11)
There's a difference bud.
Nope.She teleported sins from other continent to liones.If u think galand is only object and sins things ok.
considering he jumped outside Merlin's range, which is 186 miles (she could teleport and do magic within this large of a radius. She's done it before.)
He jumped several miles, he never jumped 186 miles. If he did, he'd likely ended up in the ocean.
The story take place into real world.He would jump in France most likely.
Who said PL=speed.
You.
No, u
I just said he was 26 000 and was one of the weakest comandments
Grayroad has higher PL herself but has no feats to suggest she wouldn't get blitz and one-shotted by Galan.
30 000 Meliodas which is around 32 000 him was keeping with Fraudrin who is 31 000.Yet 32 000 lolstomped galand.I would be suprised if Gay lord lose.
Madara was able to think when blitzed by gai
And..?
And??You said nobody was able to think when blitzed and i said madara was able.
Are you talking about gin?That has been discused many times, even he said he lied.
No Ichigo, Toshiro, Sajin, Shunsui, SoiFon, Shinji, Tier, etc. Gin only lied to Aizen.Not Ichigo.Seeing how the databook stands by Gin's Statement, Kamishini no Yari is indeed Mach 500, and Buto Renjin is indeed Mach 1000.
Yet, Aizen wasnt able to react to Gin.
Its obvious if you watched the show.
I've watched the show and read the manga numerous times. So I'm assuming you can't find scans to back up your claim...
If u watched the show and read manga, why was 3000 Meliodas wasnt able to beat galand, but 32 000 was?
IF thats not true than how Mel blitzed galand, but before regaining his power was able to do nothing
I'm not denying More Power = More Speed (well, that still isn't true since Merlin trashed two six-digit PL characters, Chandler not blitzing and one-shotting with Sins, everyone tracking others speed even if the other has a higher PL...) I'm definitely denying PL=Speed which is what you assume.
Nope,I am not assuming PL=speed
Talking about character who is not Merlin.
What? Are you irritated that your claim got debunked by your own series just recently?
You call that debunk?It was obvious i was not counting Merlin, she is walking hack.
If i lowball like you i can say the same about bleach.
Nah Bleach actually has quantifiable speed feats in the Quad Mach's unlike NNT lmao.
OK,show me
What?From what ive seen bleach use more scaling than feats.NNT debaters?ive seen about 1-4 debaters on this site
You're also new lol.
Yes, whats the problem?
Dk meliodas is eqaul to yhwach? Gtfoh that’s blasphemous
Physichal strength?
Yes.
Escanor is miles ahead in front of Aizen in that category.
Lmao no. Escanor should be multi-mountain in physicals with highball (since he has no feats at this level, so I'm being nice lol), Aizen, on the other hand, was shown to be superior to Kenpachi who is multi-mountain casually, and he was going toe to toe with Yhwach, who lifted enough rubble to create an island and a huge af mountain in minutes, while just showing off his powers, and not even trying.
Litteraly split Galand in half.Meliodas with lostvayne couldnt even scratch him, yet he cutted trough albion like butter and that was base Mel.
Aizen would one-shot Galan, Meliodas with Lostvayne, and an Albion, your point?
*Any attack.My bad.
So you're going to answer my question or no? Feats for "any attack" to turn into healing?
If you believe 1.2 teratons are only Monaco and Vatican level, yes
Lol using VS Battles, nice. The only site that will say an attack that is comparable to a townand a hillas small country level lol.
the picture isnt working
Had to delete it, can't have hundreds and hundreds of full scan images.
Merlin clearly said Galand jumped several miles out of merlin range
Yes, several miles = High Hypersonic speed.
Nope.She teleported sins from other continent to liones.If u think galand is only object and sins things ok.
Since when has NNT ever teleported to continents? The whole story takes place on a version of Britain.
Again she teleports objects Point A to Point B
Her spell radius to catch the said objects in order for them to be teleported to is only several miles.
The story take place into real world.He would jump in France most likely.
Most of Britain is surrounded by water, you're only thinking if he went south.
No, u
Mad that you look like a buffoon?
30 000 Meliodas which is around 32 000 him was keeping with Fraudrin who is 31 000.
When?
Yet 32 000 lolstomped galand.
And..?
I would be suprised if Gay lord lose.
Huh?
And??You said nobody was able to think when blitzed and i said madara was able.
I'm saying and because you didn't present a point.
Yet, Aizen wasnt able to react to Gin.
LMAO, when was this, my fellow? When Gin stabbed Aizen? You mean the equivalent of me grabbing a stick, then just hitting it in the person behind me when they weren't paying attention? You realized Aizen blitzed and one-shotted Gin right after, right?
If u watched the show and read manga, why was 3000 Meliodas wasnt able to beat galand, but 32 000 was?
Because Galan was stronger?
Nope,I am not assuming PL=speed
You are.
You call that debunk?It was obvious i was not counting Merlin, she is walking hack.
Lol so the exceptions begin. Classic NNT debating.
OK,show me
Gin's Bankai, proven quantifiably to be quad mach, Bleach characters scale to it.
Ichibe crossing and fighting across 300 miles instantly, proven to be quad mach, Bleach characters scale to it.
Mimihagi crossing the distance of Seretei and Soul King instantly, proven to be six digit mach, Bleach characters scale to it.
Then you got Shunsui dodging light, mountain-sized meteors instantly appearing in the sky, Uryu sensing millions of vibrations in under a second, etc.
Yes, whats the problem?
There are more than 1-4 NNT debaters on this site.
Yes, several miles = High Hypersonic speed.
Pardon the intrusion...but Merlin's spell range extends over hundreds of km (299 km) at least by several feats shown on panel. Galand hopped several miles beyond that according to her words. That's not high hypersonic, it borders 4 digit Mach. Which makes sense as the act of blitzing Merlin herself would line up with 3 digit Mach. Although I will say the continent claim was a stretch on his/her part.
Mimihagi crossing the distance of Seretei and Soul King instantly, proven to be six digit mach, Bleach characters scale to it.
No, it hasn't...
Uryu sensing millions of vibrations
in under a second, etc.
All he could do was determine how fast the reishi particles were vibrating...because he's a quincy. It would be quite a jump to say he could sense it in under a second...nor is this even quantifiable in terms of speed.
Physichal strength?
Yes.
Escanor is miles ahead in front of Aizen in that category.
Lmao no. Escanor should be multi-mountain in physicals with highball (since he has no feats at this level, so I'm being nice lol), Aizen, on the other hand, was shown to be superior to Kenpachi who is multi-mountain casually, and he was going toe to toe with Yhwach, who lifted enough rubble to create an island and a huge af mountain in minutes, while just showing off his powers, and not even trying.
And?The One was able to one shot AM meliodas who was able to withstand cruel sun with no damage full countered from 114 000 Escanor.One cruel sun form 50 000-60 000 Escanor is Around mountain level.
Litteraly split Galand in half.Meliodas with lostvayne couldnt even scratch him, yet he cutted trough albion like butter and that was base Mel.
Aizen would one-shot Galan, Meliodas with Lostvayne, and an Albion, your point?
My point is Albion has Mountain level durability and Meliodas 3000 cut trough it like butter.Meliodas wrath (10 300) when tripled his stats couldnt even scratch galand base.Lol at Aizen One shoting Galand
*Any attack.My bad.
So you're going to answer my question or no? Feats for "any attack" to turn into healing?
If you believe 1.2 teratons are only Monaco and Vatican level, yes
Lol using VS Battles, nice. The only site that will say an attack that is comparable to a townand a hillas small country level lol.
You want calcs?Ok.
Vaporization for a cubic centimetre of rock is 27,050,000,000J/cubic metre.
We know the crater is cylindrical in shape. So if we take land area of Danafor as 100 square km(1 x 10^8 m), which seems like the size given that Liones is max 10 km in diameter, then you would have the volume of rock vaporized as 2 x 10^11 cubic metres.
So the result is 5.41 x 10^21 J. That is 1293.021 gigatons. Or 1.293 teratons.
Basically, Small Country level.If u want proof for vaporization,ok.Remebmer this was done by much weaker meliodas
the picture isnt working
Had to delete it, can't have hundreds and hundreds of full scan images.
Yeah for weaker demons.Its diffrent for high classed demons
Merlin clearly said Galand jumped several miles out of merlin range
Yes, several miles = High Hypersonic speed.
Is it hard to understand?Jumped out several miles of merlin range,not merlin range is severeal range
Nope.She teleported sins from other continent to liones.If u think galand is only object and sins things ok.
Since when has NNT ever teleported to continents? The whole story takes place on a version of Britain.
Again she teleports objects Point A to Point B
Her spell radius to catch the said objects in order for them to be teleported to is only several miles.
No, u
Mad that you look like a buffoon?
No,i am saying u just said it and i never claimed it.
30 000 Meliodas which is around 32 000 him was keeping with Fraudrin who is 31 000.
When?
When mel clone was fightning fraudrin
Yet 32 000 lolstomped galand.
And..?
And u implied galand stomps graylord, which i proved isnt true, if he didnt went CO
I would be suprised if Gay lord lose.
Huh?
?
And??You said nobody was able to think when blitzed and i said madara was able.
I'm saying and because you didn't present a point.
Its hard to debate with fanboys
Yet, Aizen wasnt able to react to Gin.
LMAO, when was this, my fellow? When Gin stabbed Aizen? You mean the equivalent of me grabbing a stick, then just hitting it in the person behind me when they weren't paying attention? You realized Aizen blitzed and one-shotted Gin right after, right?
And?Meliodas dodged lightning without paying attention at point black right?
If u watched the show and read manga, why was 3000 Meliodas wasnt able to beat galand, but 32 000 was?
Because Galan was stronger?
Yes because if u have higher PL u are stronger(not counting merlin or any mage)
Nope,I am not assuming PL=speed
You are.
Nope i am not
You call that debunk?It was obvious i was not counting Merlin, she is walking hack.
Lol so the exceptions begin. Classic NNT debating.
Classic Bleach debating
OK,show me
Gin's Bankai, proven quantifiably to be quad mach, Bleach characters scale to it.
Ichibe crossing and fighting across 300 miles instantly, proven to be quad mach, Bleach characters scale to it.
Mimihagi crossing the distance of Seretei and Soul King instantly, proven to be six digit mach, Bleach characters scale to it.
Then you got Shunsui dodging light, mountain-sized meteors instantly appearing in the sky, Uryu sensing millions of vibrations in under a second, etc.
I dont really up to date with much bleach feats, so can you show me pictures of it.
Yes, whats the problem?
There are more than 1-4 NNT debaters on this site.
And?The One was able to one shot AM meliodas who was able to withstand cruel sun with no damage full countered from 114 000 Escanor.One cruel sun form 50 000-60 000 Escanor is Around mountain level.
And this is impressive because?
My point is Albion has Mountain level durability
When?
and Meliodas 3000 cut trough it like butter.Meliodas wrath (10 300) when tripled his stats
PL doesn't equate to stats.
Lol at Aizen One shoting Galand
Well, Aizen would.
You want calcs?Ok.
Vaporization for a cubic centimetre of rock is 27,050,000,000J/cubic metre.
We know the crater is cylindrical in shape. So if we take land area of Danafor as 100 square km(1 x 10^8 m), which seems like the size given that Liones is max 10 km in diameter, then you would have the volume of rock vaporized as 2 x 10^11 cubic metres.
So the result is 5.41 x 10^21 J. That is 1293.021 gigatons. Or 1.293 teratons.
Basically, Small Country level.If u want proof for vaporization,ok.Remebmer this was done by much weaker meliodas
I can already tell you copied this from someone else that is either on VS Battles or similar to VS Battles, in which Aizen is put at Moon Level. So your calcs are worthless. And I'm sure Nakaba wasn't thinking 1.2 teratons, he was thinking Meliodas busting a city and creating a mountain deep hole, aka mountain busting, small country level attack would wipe most of Britannia off the map.
Yeah for weaker demons.Its diffrent for high classed demons
You do realize Estarossa literallysays he felt it and took damage from it, right? Thanks for proving my point.
Explain how Meliodas was killed in his 10C fight?
Is it hard to understand?Jumped out several miles of merlin range,not merlin range is severeal range
What? Her spell is transporting objects from Point A to Point B, Galan simply got out of the radius of where she can transport the objects. Besides the manga also shows he reacted to the snap and likely not the actual spell.
Oh so something that was ever replicated/brought up again/honestly could just be a TP attack? Not impressed.
When mel clone was fightning fraudrin
Fraudrin could barely react to Mel's clone lol.
And u implied galand stomps graylord, which i proved isnt true, if he didnt went CO
You didn't actually, there's nothing that doesn't suggest grayroad isn't getting stomped by Galan.
Its hard to debate with fanboys
I agree, debating fanboys like yourself is indeed hard. Too much wanking non-existent feats.
And?Meliodas dodged lightning without paying attention at point black right?
No, Mel was facing lightning right forward and was ready to react, lol.
Congrats Mel reaction speed is on par with SS Arc Ichigo's combat speed.
Yes because if u have higher PL u are stronger(not counting merlin or any mage)
"My made-up rule only works whenever I want it" Like I said, classic NNT debating.
Classic Bleach debating
I know, actual feats and better scaling, shocking. The horror.
I dont really up to date with much bleach
Wow.
so can you show me pictures of it.
I try not to post full scan pages anymore on regular battles anymore:
Gin's Bankai: Chapters 400 & 404
Ichibe's Ri Feat: Chapters 605
Mimihagi's Feat: Chapters 617
Shunsui Dodging Light: Chapters 650
Gremmy's Meteor Instantly Appearing In The Sky: Chapters 576 & 577
Uryu Feeling A Million+ Vibrations: Chapters 258
And?The One was able to one shot AM meliodas who was able to withstand cruel sun with no damage full countered from 114 000 Escanor.One cruel sun form 50 000-60 000 Escanor is Around mountain level.
And this is impressive because?
Because Aizen has nothing to suggest he has Mountain level physical.
My point is Albion has Mountain level durability
When?
What do you mean?
and Meliodas 3000 cut trough it like butter.Meliodas wrath (10 300) when tripled his stats
PL doesn't equate to stats.
Yeah, but it was obvious his stat highed up
Lol at Aizen One shoting Galand
Well, Aizen would.
No, he wouldnt
You want calcs?Ok.
Vaporization for a cubic centimetre of rock is 27,050,000,000J/cubic metre.
We know the crater is cylindrical in shape. So if we take land area of Danafor as 100 square km(1 x 10^8 m), which seems like the size given that Liones is max 10 km in diameter, then you would have the volume of rock vaporized as 2 x 10^11 cubic metres.
So the result is 5.41 x 10^21 J. That is 1293.021 gigatons. Or 1.293 teratons.
Basically, Small Country level.If u want proof for vaporization,ok.Remebmer this was done by much weaker meliodas
I can already tell you copied this from someone else that is either on VS Battles or similar to VS Battles, in which Aizen is put at Moon Level. So your calcs are worthless. And I'm sure Nakaba wasn't thinking 1.2 teratons, he was thinking Meliodas busting a city and creating a mountain deep hole, aka mountain busting, small country level attack would wipe most of Britannia off the map.
Yes i copied it from a guy, who thinks its the most wanekd site.
Yeah for weaker demons.Its diffrent for high classed demons
You do realize Estarossa literallysays he felt it and took damage from it, right? Thanks for proving my point.
Explain how Meliodas was killed in his 10C fight?
He said he would taken serious damage if he slowed his regen or something.But it was obvious that he healed without damage
Is it hard to understand?Jumped out several miles of merlin range,not merlin range is severeal range
What? Her spell is transporting objects from Point A to Point B, Galan simply got out of the radius of where she can transport the objects. Besides the manga also shows he reacted to the snap and likely not the actual spell.
Yes, she can teleport people to point A to point B and she can do it in big radius.What i mean is,if u want to escape being teleported u have to jump out of her range wich is above several miles
Oh so something that was ever replicated/brought up again/honestly could just be a TP attack? Not impressed.
Cough Cough teleporting meliodas to ten comandments cough cough teleporting arthur cough cough
When mel clone was fightning fraudrin
Fraudrin could barely react to Mel's clone lol.
It was equal fight lol
And u implied galand stomps graylord, which i proved isnt true, if he didnt went CO
You didn't actually, there's nothing that doesn't suggest grayroad isn't getting stomped by Galan.
Dont accept the fact graylord is stronger?
Its hard to debate with fanboys
I agree, debating fanboys like yourself is indeed hard.Too much wanking non-existent feats.
Oh..So you finally read your coments
And?Meliodas dodged lightning without paying attention at point black right?
No, Mel was facing lightning right forward and was ready to react, lol.
Congrats Mel reaction speed is on par with SS Arc Ichigo's combat speed.
Congrats,that was BoS with 0 effort
Yes because if u have higher PL u are stronger(not counting merlin or any mage)
"My made-up rule only works whenever I want it" Like I said, classic NNT debating.
U are obvosly stronger with higher PL lol.
Classic Bleach debating
I know, actual feats and better scaling, shocking. The horror.
hahahaha man stop please haha
I dont really up to date with much bleach
Wow.
I see your not up to date with SDS too, huh
And this is impressive because?
Because Aizen has nothing to suggest he has Mountain level physical.
...
right then
Because Aizen has nothing to suggest he has Mountain level physical.
Except for vaping hills with casual parries.
What do you mean?
You serious right now? When did an Albion ever have mountain level durability?
Yeah, but it was obvious his stat highed up
For all we know it could've gone up slightly, that's the problem with NNT scaling, you people assume that they go up in speed a lot lmao.
No, he wouldnt
Yeah he would, Galan's trash compared to half of Bleach.
Yes i copied it from a guy, who thinks its the most wanekd site.
Cool a wanker thinks another site is wanked. Got anything more you want to add?
He said he would taken serious damage if he slowed his regen or something.But it was obvious that he healed without damage
Estarossa got played later in the fight by an attack he previously survived, he obviously took damage lol.
Yes, she can teleport people to point A to point B and she can do it in big radius.What i mean is,if u want to escape being teleported u have to jump out of her range wich is above several miles
Being above several miles is like 13 miles. Thanks for proving my point lol.
Cough Cough teleporting meliodas to ten comandments cough cough teleporting arthur cough cough
All on Britannia, don't know what you were trying to go for here.
It was equal fight lol
Not even close
Dont accept the fact graylord is stronger?
Typical, no counter, just denial.
Oh..So you finally read your coments
I get you're pissed at not being able to provide counters.
Congrats,that was BoS with 0 effort
Yup, the gap between the two? Ichigo is more impressive. Mel is only hundreds of thousands more powerful than his BoS through the power levels, Ichigo would likely be millions of times more powerful than his SS Arc self based on the powerups (5x-10x) of Bleach.
So yeah, BoS Mel isn't hot at all.
U are obvosly stronger with higher PL lol.
Pretty sure anyone here and NNT would backhand Merlin in the face, but she's just the girl that keeps wrecking your arguments.
hahahaha man stop please haha
Like my jokes at the NNT community, don't ya?
I see your not up to date with SDS too, huh
Way more up to date than you.
Except for vaping hills with casual parries.
Expect this hills were small and he and ichigo vaped half of them
You serious right now? When did an Albion ever have mountain level durability?
When fightning with meliodas lol.He tanked his attack full countered.Are u seriously think something holy knights cant do shit about dont have mountain durability.Hell, even if i remeber corectly Dreyfus destroyed large hill/small mountain with one hand.
For all we know it could've gone up slightly, that's the problem with NNT scaling, you people assume that they go up in speed a lot lmao.
He wouldn be able to blitz guila and ban with 0 effort if he didnt went up in speed lol.
Yeah he would, Galan's trash compared to half of Bleach.
Yeah but no one shot
Cool a wanker thinks another site is wanked. Got anything more you want to add?
Cool, i dont saw u debunking it.
Estarossa got played later in the fight by an attack he previously survived, he obviously took damage lol.
Escanor had almost double his stats later in the fight, ofc he took damage.
Being above several miles is like 13 miles. Thanks for proving my point lol.
LOL no.Merlin can sense things of hundrends of miles.Wouldnt be suprised if she teleported u even if u are hundredds miles away
All on Britannia, don't know what you were trying to go for here.
There is no civilization outside Britania, why would she teleport outside it.
Not even close
Mel clone sliced him one time and than get stepped like an ant..
Typical, no counter, just denial.
Just look at your comments.Cant the debunk the calculation and say its from vsbattles ...
I get you're pissed at not being able to provide counters.
U made me laugh bcuz ur debunks are laughble and yet trying to say you put right scaling and feats.
Yup, the gap between the two? Ichigo is more impressive. Mel is only hundreds of thousands more powerful than his BoS through the power levels, Ichigo would likely be millions of times more powerful than his SS Arc self based on the powerups (5x-10x) of Bleach.
So yeah, BoS Mel isn't hot at all.
Yep, but what Dangai ichigo did?Destroyed half a hill with Aizen, which BoS Meliodas can replicate with lostvayne.
Pretty sure anyone here and NNT would backhand Merlin in the face, but she's just the girl that keeps wrecking your arguments.
Lol like i said before i was not counting Merlin. Just look at previous comments
Like my jokes at the NNT community, don't ya?
Like how u are trying to say Bleach debaters dont use falty scaling and high up feats.
Way more up to date than you.
Not even close.
You want calcs?Ok.
Vaporization for a cubic centimetre of rock is 27,050,000,000J/cubic metre.
We know the crater is cylindrical in shape. So if we take land area of Danafor as 100 square km(1 x 10^8 m), which seems like the size given that Liones is max 10 km in diameter, then you would have the volume of rock vaporized as 2 x 10^11 cubic metres.
So the result is 5.41 x 10^21 J. That is 1293.021 gigatons. Or 1.293 teratons.
Bruh what? Faraday, just stop here. Don't go further with this guy.
@azureus: nah NNT is far more similar to Bleach with its multipliers and frankly garbage feats that require janky power scaling and questionable calcs.
@azureus: And tell me why its wrong?
@mevbi: you shouldn't bother using calcs...we go by feats.
@faradaysloth: demon king has a new feat.
@kalebsmarty156: Looks pretty impressive, the fact it could spam it too apparently, I’d now say DK Mel would beat Monster Aizen apart from KS.
I’d still say EOS Aizen though, faster, more durable, and more haxed.
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