Enerjak (Archie Pre-Genesis Wave) Vs BB (fate CCC)

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Nasuverse is way out of Archieverse's league. All of these fights are stomps. BB blinks the verse in her base form.

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#5  Edited By NoMight109

@zgtfreak: can i get actual reasons as to how she beats enerjack? I mean someone with a fraction of his power was destroying universes with his hands.

He is also omnipresent and can literally do anything.

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@nomight109: ... Because BB manipulates concepts and souls, and casually rewrites conceptual laws and reality of a multiverse much bigger than Archie's (Gilgamesh's RT I sent shows this). There are some threads around where I have been listing her feats like the To Aru Vs. Type-Moon thread you can check out. I'll make an RT for her eventually. Plus people showed some of what she can do in the last thread of yours IIRC.

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@zgtfreak: here is what enerjack can do. Its just a copy and paste from vs battle.

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Genius Intelligence, Martial Arts, Levitation, Chaos Energy Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Air Manipulation Higher-Dimensional Manipulation (From the Chaos Force), Paralysis Inducement (Shown here and with Thunder Arrow), Immortality (Types 1, 5, 6 and 9), Self-Sustenance (Types 1, 2 and 3), Reality Warping, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Intangibility, Time Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation, Acausality (Type 4), Causality Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Law Manipulation, Sealing, Dimensional BFR, Existence Erasure, Non-Physical Interaction, Soul Manipulation, Corruption, Magic, Matter Manipulation, Size Manipulation, Teleportation, Telepathy, Telekinesis, Forcefield Creation, Explosion Inducement, Electricity Manipulation, Likely most of the abilities from Power Rings, as they're the by-products of the Chaos Emeralds and have a limited amount of their power, Several others, Resistance to Extreme Cold, Cosmic Radiations, Magic, Matter Manipulation, Power Nullification, Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Transmutation, Corruption, Biological Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Holy Manipulation, and Precognition (Scaled from Turbo Tails, who had bypassed Mogul's sixth sense. The Super Transformations run on Chaos Energy, which Eggman described as fundamentally unpredictable and chaotic in nature) | Same abilities as before to a far greater degree, along with Higher-Dimensional Existence, Spaceflight, Large Size (Type 9), Omnipresence, Non-Corporeal, Abstract Existence (Type 1), Cosmic Awareness, Possession

Also he has.complete control of the chaos force which allows him to do anything only limited by the users imagination. But this limit was only for his avatars i believe

And that respect thread would be great.

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Enerjak would win, since he merged with the chaos force.

Super Sonic in Archie is capable of destroying 11D structures such as a dimensional matrix from reality warping 2 multiverses in he’s Super Sonic form and he has he’s ultra form above that.

Master Mongul with a portion of enerjaks power crushed multiverses in he’s hand with a portion of that power and it would be on par with super sonic. Enerjak is Chaos force incarnate not a simple embodiment of chaos like sonic, shadow and knuckles.

The chaos force gives its users or rather it’s embodiments of chaos to favour over causality. Enerjak who has merged with the chaos force would also be capable of controlling causality in he’s purest form without a host.

To fight enerjak is to fight the chaos force meaning any feat done by an embodiment of chaos or a forced chaos user is applicable.

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@mbatz: Super Sonic in Archie is capable of destroying 11D structures such as a dimensional matrix from reality warping 2 multiverses in he’s Super Sonic form and he has he’s ultra form above that.

I told you in the last thread that we'd need context to how the dimensions in Archie work. 11-D implies it runs off of M-theory, which merely rolls up into a baseline infinite multiverse. And raw power isn't enough to defeat BB. He needs the hax, which he doesn't have.

Master Mongul with a portion of enerjaks power crushed multiverses in he’s hand with a portion of that power and it would be on par with super sonic. Enerjak is Chaos force incarnate not a simple embodiment of chaos like sonic, shadow and knuckles.

Context to the size of the multiverse.

The chaos force gives its users or rather it’s embodiments of chaos to favour over causality. Enerjak who has merged with the chaos force would also be capable of controlling causality in he’s purest form without a host.

Moon Cell BB casually can rewrite the law of causality or destroy them with CCC:

Cursed Cutting Crater: C.C.C. (C.C.C.カースド・カッティング・クレーター, C.C.C.Kāsudo Kattingu Kurētā?) is an attack on the World utilizing BB's control of the Moon Cell.[1][2] It's also a trap for artificial spiritron hackers.[2] Also called the Spirit Particle Imaginary Pit. Making maximum use of the EX Rank Skill "Potnia Theron", a world purge via the rewriting of events is carried out. The space eroded by BB becomes imaginary space and a curse that consumes reality which eclipses the world. CCC, as the name suggests, is a cursed pit that bores out reality.[1][2] The name “Cursed” is based on the image of a giant spoon that scoops out the surface of the Moon and turns it into a cursed space (the imaginary space).[2]

Its output of information is like an ultra-precise 3D printer and crushes the present world with the world desired by the user. In addition to scattering all objects inside on an atomic level and reconstructing them, it is capable of writing over and rewriting information of fields such as luck and coincidence. While theoretical, it is also thought possible to distort the time axis by interfering with gravity fields and rewrite the law of cause and effect. When used in combat, BB’s familiars, the shapeshifters, engulf the target, and after turning into a sphere, is wiped out of existence along with the target and the dimension with it.[1]

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Cursed_Cutting_Crater

Is says it's theoretical; but it isn't, since we see BB manipulate causality all the time to turn in damage and attacks into things that never existed via Domina Coronam Capitoline:

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So BB stomps with her far superior conceptual and causality hax.

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@zgtfreak: so BB can rewrite getting thought out of existence?enerjack isnt a jobber so safe to say he wont hold anything back.

Also he is acasual so wouldnt her messing with the past be ineffective?

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@nomight109:

Existence Erasure she resists, but even if it does kill her, she should be able to bring herself back.

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@swagpack: oh ok. I just dont think its a complete stomp since enerjack can literally do anything with the chaos force plus acasuality type 4 so he should be immune to a good amount of stuff she can do.

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#13  Edited By zgtfreak

@nomight109: One: We ignore anything from VS Battles. Two: Enerjak has never erased omnipresent conceptual entities with no concept of death. And three: No one ever argued for BB paradoxing him. She can kill him with practically anything she does.

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@zgtfreak: true but erasing isnt the only thing he can do. If he can literally do anything, omnipresent, and has conceptual manipulation how is she stomping?

He is also abstract and has soul manipulation. Plus acasuality

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@nomight109: You are indirectly calling him omnipotent by saying that he can do anything (when he is clearly not omnipotent).

He is also abstract and has soul manipulation. Plus acasuality

BB has all of that, but to a much better extent. Omnipresence is merely preventing Enerjak from getting blitzed, since both are omnipresent. Again, Archie isn't strong enough to be compared to the Nasuverse.

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@zgtfreak: With the power of the Chaos Emeralds through Chaos Force he would be able to do anything only limited to the wielder`s imagination.

Also does she resist mindhax?

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@zgtfreak: also what else can she do other than her casuality manipulation that enerjack resists.

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@nomight109: With the power of the Chaos Emeralds through Chaos Force he would be able to do anything only limited to the wielder`s imagination.

Enerjak can't imagine things he can't comprehend, such as hax on BB's level.

Also does she resist mindhax?

She mindhaxes people who resist mindhax. She is the number 2 uncontested entity in the Moon Cell next to Gilgamesh (Arcueid is not present in CCC). Why does this matter? Because the Moon Cell creates Heroic Spirits; some of which should have mindhax. She is also an A.I. fused with a supercomputer, meaning her mind doesn't even work like an organic being's.

also what else can she do other than her casuality manipulation that enerjack resists.

Enerjak cannot resist causality manipulation on BB's level. CCC also does multiple things (as I sent above). As for another random thing she can do to kill Enerjak: BB before even becoming the Moon Cell could override entire dimensions with her black noise (shadows):

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This black noise upon contact freezes the target and overwrites their information (very existence) with its own:

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It even overwrites souls:

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Here we see Shinji getting consumed by it:

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Trying to save him is pointless:

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We see that along with overwriting the dimension itself, it melds you into it to ensure that you can't escape:

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Then Shinji is overwritten entirely:

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We see that the black noise accumulates enough to where it forms an ocean:

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And then the world:

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Considering that this literally consumed the entire Near Side of the Moon Cell, BB could engulf the entire Archie multiverse with this and absorb them (which gives her their powers and abilities funny enough).

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@zgtfreak: wdym he cant resist BB casuality manip? I believe being acasual makes you resist cas manip no matter how strong it is.

He also has cosmic awareness if that means anything.

He has Precognition so she can see what she can do and how she does it.

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And enerjack can simply just destroy the moon cell. He has more than enough power to do so.

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@nomight109:

I don't know why you think that, but it doesn't matter. If he cannot defeat BB, he isn't destroying the Moon Cell. They are conceptually a single entity.

Their existence is on a different level.

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@nomight109: wdym he cant resist BB casuality manip? I believe being acasual makes you resist cas manip no matter how strong it is.

Enerjak has never resisted causality destroying attacks. Nor extreme causality manipulation on the level of BB to my knowledge. He has never shown to be completely immune to causality as far as I know.

He also has cosmic awareness if that means anything.

He has Precognition so she can see what she can do and how she does it.

BB could content with Gilgamesh in close range combat, despite Gilgamesh being nigh-omniscient via SNI. Mere precognition is irrelevant.

And enerjack can simply just destroy the moon cell. He has more than enough power to do so.

The Moon Cell is like... multiple infinities above the entire Archieverse. Hell, he lacks any real conceptual attacks, meaning he can't even interact with the Moon Cell. It might as well be intangible and non-existent to him, since he isn't conceptual to my knowledge. Pit Archieverse up against more bare bones/basic multiversals; not Nasuverse.

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@zgtfreak: jack has coneptual manipulation.

Enerjack operates on a diffrent system of cause and effect rather than casuality. He also exists in higher dimensions.

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@nomight109:

Where is your proof of that? Proof that he exists in a higher dimension and proof that his verse uses dimensions as a way of measuring different levels of existence.

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@swagpack: he became one with the chaos force which is literally above all besides the origin.

The chaos force literally gives the user to use anything only limited to the imagination but that only counted towards his avatars. Someone with a fraction of enerjacks power was destroying multiple universes with his bare hands. Also like i said enerjack operates on a diffrent system of cause and effect besides casuality so how is her cas manip going to work?

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@nomight109:

That doesn't tell me anything regarding higher dimensional existence.

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@swagpack: he became one with the chaos force

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@swagpack: you tell me what this is

The Chaos Force is the embodiment of all Chaos energy, the mystical power wielded by many inhabitants of Mobius. It can be accessed through two known methods: by a natural link to the Chaos Force itself or by drawing upon a magical object that has such a link, such as a Chaos Emerald. Drawing power from the emeralds or power rings offer purified, focused energy. Tapping directly (and fully) into the Chaos Force itself summons raw power that's harder to control, and in Shadow the Hedgehog's case will result in the weakening of the body.

the mystical power wielded by many inhabitants of Mobius and the all-encompassing energy of the universe.

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@nomight109:

That's something that has nothing to do with dimensions.

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@swagpack: what about someone a whole lot weaker than him destroying 11d structures?

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@nomight109:

You would have to prove that "dimensions" in that verse are used to measure different levels of existence and that each dimension transcends the one below it. Simple mention of "he destroyed 11D something" means nothing, since not all verses use dimensions that way.

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@swagpack: oh ok well thats hard to prove in a comic like archie so ill concede for now

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I'm going to say it...

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@zgtfreak: but wait dosent this work on only people of earth?

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#40  Edited By SagaTheLegend

Dimensions in the Archie Sonic verse are indeed transcendent spaces, the only thing you have to prove is if that Dimensional Matrix is really 11d.

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#41  Edited By SagaTheLegend

@nomight109: Vs Battle would say that Enerjak probably stomps thought. They believe that the 8d thing is an outlier.

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@sagathelegend: i think enerjack stomps as of now since the things they said for bb only applies against someone of earth

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enerjak wipes his ass with the verse.

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#45  Edited By SagaTheLegend

With zgtfreak and half of his crew gone for a while, I dunno what is the point of bumping threads like this one. Meanwhile Archie characters are kind of underutilized nowadays, there are cool matchups that could be done with them.

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With zgtfreak and half of his crew gone for a while, I dunno what is the point of bumping threads like this one. Meanwhile Archie characters are kind of underutilized nowadays, there are cool matchups that could be done with them.

I'm sure they still have some cult followers lingering around that are more than willing to tell me about how BB stomps with her nonexistent conceptual, megaversal, hyper dimensional busting, omnipresence, omnipotent, dude my powers totally work outside this planet sized computer simulator that's observable from our solar system, attacks.

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Also can a CCC expert tell me how BB's existence in every timeline within the mooncell and control over said timelines have any effect whatsoever on a character who is completely foreign to their verse? It's not like Enerjak existed at any point within their verse.

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@nomight109: Well, that will depend if the nature of 8d MoonCell is legit or not.

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#50  Edited By GaRbS

@stezzy Well, for starters, BB doesn't exist in every timeline within the Moon Cell. It's simply that the concept of time within the Far Side of the Moon is different from how it is in the Near Side, where it is like on Earth. Her perception of time, and its flow in the Far Side of the Moon is like someone reading a book.

With a perspective of a higher dimension she gained the power to choose and ascertain the future, she can travel back in time and rewind reality.

http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/3574-Fate-Extra-CCC-Translations-SPOILERS?p=1502125&viewfull=1#post1502125

Such a thing would be useless unless both BB and her opponent where fighting not only in the Moon Cell, but on the Far Side of the Moon as well. Outside of the Far Side, such a higher dimension perspective has no meaning, since the flow of time in that area adheres to the laws of the real world.

Though of course, if BB isn't fighting in the Far Side any kind of versus with her loses its purpose, since she only has that much power there.