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Poll: Endgame Fat Thor vs Kurse and Faora (73 votes)

Thor 26%
Team 32%
Faora solos 30%
Kurse solos 12%

Who will win?

No morals

Take place in Svartalfheim, 30 ft apart

Thor is unarmed for 60 seconds before he calls the Stormbreaker

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Thor gets bodied.

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Kurse wrecked a much different version of Thor. Even unarmed and fat I think things would go differently between them. Faora's useless. She's not putting Thor down and gets taken down in a serious hit or two.

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#3  Edited By ANTHP2000

He isn't lasting a whole minute unarmed...

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Kurse will mop floor with him as on Svartelheim

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Either solo Thor sucks h2h

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His terrible blunt force durability will get him bloodied by either. Team 8/10

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Probably Team

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Kurse solos.

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Either can solo

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Thor would have at least had a chance if he started out with his weapons, but since he doesn't, he loses solidly.

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@stealthgrey: Thor still has lightning punches. He has a shot. Kurse can put him down fast though

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Faora tries to blitz him and bounces off his big belly. Then it's shreksy time.

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Thor has a chance if he utilizes his lightning.

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He’s kinda outclassed here, Faora has the speed and Kurse has the damage output.

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Either solo

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Kurse solos. Faora dies to the lightning cloak tho.

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Faora is useless here Kurse will ragdoll both. Even with storm breaker Thor would have to go for the decapitation or loose in the end

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So much more terrible version of Thor vs guys where either will solo spank him. Ragnarok and IW Thor would beat them after good fight but this THor get spanked. Thor has weak blunt force resilience despite insane durability.

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@mattyboi said:

Kurse solos. Faora dies to the lightning cloak tho.

When in doubt, say lightning cloak.

OT: Team wrecks

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@nightgate: I really don’t understand the lightning cloak hype. Who near Kyrptonian level did it actually even harm, let alone one shot or kill???

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@mattyboi said:

Kurse solos. Faora dies to the lightning cloak tho.

When in doubt, say lightning cloak.

OT: Team wrecks

It's true though, the cloak tore through ships that no sold re-entry and hitting the ground at that speed.

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One shots either with lighting..

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@rijehu: It never has. It’s a fodder clearance tool.

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#25  Edited By Bearderby

Fat Thor has to wait 60s for stormbreaker?

Either solos then

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Bait thread. Either can solo. Thor gets wrecked.

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@mattyboi: it was clearly stormbreaker this "Lightning cloak" bs doesn't even exist. Comicvine users be making they're own logic. "Captain Marvel absorbing the stones power" "Cap having all of thor phase 1 and 2 stats" just stop

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Either beats him solo. Even ragnarok thor gets stomped by those two. He’s not taking them at once with kurse strength and favors speed. Lock this nonsense mismatch

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He starts unarmed?! Either of the team solo in that first minute

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#31  Edited By Rijehu

@nightgate: I thought so. Every time I come to a new thread, some sort of new “one shot” ability I’ve never seen put to use in the MCU gets introduced as a common practice here.

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Add stormbreaked and he get still stomped.

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Faora solos him unarmed.

If armed, he wins.

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#34  Edited By MattyBoi  Online

@allhellkingdox said:

@mattyboi: it was clearly stormbreaker this "Lightning cloak" bs doesn't even exist. Comicvine users be making they're own logic. "Captain Marvel absorbing the stones power" "Cap having all of thor phase 1 and 2 stats" just stop

Stormbreaker's lightning isnt an AOE, it can only go in one direction, the lightning coming out of the ships was from every direction. Plus thor was only flying in and then going out straight up, so he would have to had used the cloak to do what he did.

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@mattyboi: SB’s lightning did an AOE discharge as soon as Thor slammed it into the ground the moment he got to Wakanda. That’s the same discharges you see coming out of the ship.

Thor’s cloak (as in the actual lightning that sparks off of his body when he’s preparing for battle) has never one shotted anyone of note and certainly hasn’t killed anyone near even phase 1 Captain America. I’m not sure where the all powerful instakill cloak idea comes from but it certainly isn’t the films.

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? ????? Thor unarmed that’s a good one

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It's funny because he would lose even if he started the fight with Stormbreaker. Arguments could probably be made for either soloing.

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Kurse doesn't solo. He can still use lightning without stormbreaker. The team might win before he gets his weapon though, but if he does get stormbreaker before he loses, I think Thor can win, the only question is if he can tag FAora.

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@nfactor1995: There really isn't much of an argument for Kurse soloing if Thor starts with Stormbreaker. Kurse was impaled by Loki, Stormbreaker would cut him like butter.

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@alextheboss: Well for one thing, he was stabbed from behind. Kurse isn't just going to stand there and let Thor impale him with Stormbreaker, in melee or if Thor takes flight. Don't really see what's stopping Kurse from just taking Stormbreaker from Thor and killing him with it. If Thor is more skilled than Kurse, it sure didn't show in their fight lol.

Also, that stab didn't appear to actually injure Kurse...he seemed just fine right afterwards.

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@nfactor1995:

Don't really see what's stopping Kurse from just taking Stormbreaker from Thor and killing him with it. If Thor is more skilled than Kurse, it sure didn't show in their fight lol.

Even an expert martial artist would be kind of screwed against a guy with a battle ax. Thor has gotten a power up since then and has access to his lightning cloak and more powerful lightning blasts. Kurse would be screwed against full power IW Thor with Stormbreaker, the only question is how much weaker did EG Thor become.

Also, that stab didn't appear to actually injure Kurse...he seemed just fine right afterwards.

The fight will be over if Kurse is in pieces on the ground, even if he is "fine".

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SB’s lightning did an AOE discharge as soon as Thor slammed it into the ground the moment he got to Wakanda. That’s the same discharges you see coming out of the ship.

No it's not. Thats the lightning from the cloak. Plus he never actually slams stormbreaker into something before attacking the ships. Even if that were true thor could just slam stormbreaker and one shot faora anyways.

Thor’s cloak (as in the actual lightning that sparks off of his body when he’s preparing for battle) has never one shotted anyone of note and certainly hasn’t killed anyone near even phase 1 Captain America. I’m not sure where the all powerful instakill cloak idea comes from but it certainly isn’t the films.

Thor never fought anyone(besides thanos who is far above everyone here) with the stormbreaker amped cloak. After awakening it thor's only gotten into like 2 fights(thanos and hela, but against hela he didnt get the stormbreaker amp). I dunno where the "all powerful instakill cloak" idea comes from myself... pretty sure no one's been saying that.

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@mattyboi said:

@rijehu said:

SB’s lightning did an AOE discharge as soon as Thor slammed it into the ground the moment he got to Wakanda. That’s the same discharges you see coming out of the ship.

No it's not. Thats the lightning from the cloak. Plus he never actually slams stormbreaker into something before attacking the ships. Even if that were true thor could just slam stormbreaker and one shot faora anyways.

Matty, this is Olympic level mental gymnastics you are attempting here and it is still not enough to substantiate anything you say. It was SB that summoned an AOE affect upon his Wakanda arrival. SB has summoned lightning, radiated lightning, and even chained lightning when being used as a projectile. We literally saw all this in the same scene. It was also SB that Thor plowed into, throughout, and then out of the ships with in that scene...with the same lightning being produced from SB that always has been. SB was the cause of all that destruction, not a cloak. His cloak had literally nothing to do with it. It doesn't even make sense.

Thor's lightning cloak has never, in the history of the MCU, done anything on the level of harming even Captain America feat level characters, let alone near someone like Faora. The only beings who have been harmed by it are undead Asgardian fodder and the creatures in IW...that's it. To assert that it can is unfounded head canon.

Faora can literally dance in and out of Thor's striking range and grounded AOE, please stop. She's likely to snatch SB and hack him with it.

Thor’s cloak (as in the actual lightning that sparks off of his body when he’s preparing for battle) has never one shotted anyone of note and certainly hasn’t killed anyone near even phase 1 Captain America. I’m not sure where the all powerful instakill cloak idea comes from but it certainly isn’t the films.

Thor never fought anyone(besides thanos who is far above everyone here) with the stormbreaker amped cloak. After awakening it thor's only gotten into like 2 fights(thanos and hela, but against hela he didnt get the stormbreaker amp). I dunno where the "all powerful instakill cloak" idea comes from myself... pretty sure no one's been saying that.

Thank you for further solidifying my point that Thor has literally no feats with this lightning cloak against anyone outside of fodder, and certainly not near Faora's level. He fought Thanos twice with SB and didn't use this now space craft destroying cloak at all??? Not even once? Either he is incompetent in combat when it comes to utilization of his powers, or the cloak was never as powerful as your'e trying to make it. Feats (rather, the lack thereof) substantiate the latter but even you if want to argue the other, it's still very bad news for him here.

Thor is not one-shotting a single team member here. Even if her engages Faora one on one, and manages to survive the 60 seconds without a weapon (in which Faora alone will give him the Clark bank vault treatment, consistently) he's getting mashed with Kurse's involvement. If he lives long enough to call SB, Kurse (who slapped away Mijolnir) or Faora (who casually snatch Clarke out of a point blank ranged blitz) will catch it easier than Thanos did, and dismember him.

The "all powerful insta-kill cloak" idea derives directly from comments like this:

@mattyboi said:

Kurse solos. Faora dies to the lightning cloak tho.

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@rijehu said:

Matty, this is Olympic level mental gymnastics you are attempting here and it is still not enough to substantiate anything you say. It was SB that summoned an AOE affect upon his Wakanda arrival. SB has summoned lightning, radiated lightning, and even chained lightning when being used as a projectile. We literally saw all this in the same scene. It was also SB that Thor plowed into, throughout, and then out of the ships with in that scene...with the same lightning being produced from SB that always has been. SB was the cause of all that destruction, not a cloak. His cloak had literally nothing to do with it. It doesn't even make sense.

No it's not. It's the lightning cloak. Thor doesnt summon lightning with stormbreaker in the ship, even if he did it wouldnt go at multiple sides at once, he would've had to use the cloak to do the damage everywhere.

Thank you for further solidifying my point that Thor has literally no feats with this lightning cloak against anyone outside of fodder, and certainly not near Faora's level. He fought Thanos twice with SB and didn't use this now space craft destroying cloak at all??? Not even once? Either he is incompetent in combat when it comes to utilization of his powers, or the cloak was never as powerful as your'e trying to make it. Feats (rather, the lack thereof) substantiate the latter but even you if want to argue the other, it's still very bad news for him here.

The cloak destroyed ships that no sold re-entry. Plus he only fought thanos who is far above anyone in the mcu and dceu besides DD, dormammu and surtur.

Thor is not one-shotting a single team member here. Even if her engages Faora one on one, and manages to survive the 60 seconds without a weapon (in which Faora alone will give him the Clark bank vault treatment, consistently) he's getting mashed with Kurse's involvement. If he lives long enough to call SB, Kurse (who slapped away Mijolnir) or Faora (who casually snatch Clarke out of a point blank ranged blitz) will catch it easier than Thanos did, and dismember him.

Thor starts out with stormbreaker, so he doesnt need to "call" it.

Kurse solos. Faora dies to the lightning cloak tho.

So to kill faora, you would need something that's all powerful and insta killing? Okay. I also said that kurse would solo thor, which debunks what you tried to put in my mouth.

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#45  Edited By Rijehu

@mattyboi:

1) Stormbreaker destroyed the ships. The cloak has destroyed nothing and hurt no one above fodder. Not a single thing. This is supported by the entire MCU franchise. Thanos isn’t even above Scarlet Witch in his own CU let alone everyone in the DCEU, especially Clarke. Just...no.

2) The OP states Thor is unarmed for 60 seconds before he calls for SB.

3) Not only did I not put words in your mouth, I actually used the very quote that you gave regarding Faora being killed by the Lightning cloak. She isn’t. You also stated Thor would simply slam SB and one shot her. He won’t. That is the debunked portion of the argument you tried to make.

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@rijehu:

1) Stormbreaker destroyed the ships. The cloak has destroyed nothing and hurt no one above fodder. Not a single thing. This is supported by the entire MCU franchise. Thanos isn’t even above Scarlet Witch in his own CU let alone everyone in the DCEU, especially Clarke. Just...no.

You cant say it was stormbreaker just because thor never used it on anyone that couldnt tank it. Thor's only fought thanos while using the cloak. Scarlet Witch is pretty OP power wise just a glass cannon, she'd beat anyone in the dceu.(besides speedsters that can blitz her). Plus the only logically explanation is that it was thor using the cloak, anything else would need to be proven with evidence.

The OP states Thor is unarmed for 60 seconds before he calls for SB.

Oh, my bad, then both of team 2 can solo.

Not only did I not put words in your mouth, I actually used to very quote that you gave regarding Faora being killed by the Lightning cloak. She isn’t. You also stated Thor would simply slam SB and one shot her. He won’t. That is the debunked portion of the argument you tried to make.

I ment if thor had got stormbreaker he could just slam it into the ground. Also thor would overpower faora if she caught it.

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@mattyboi: LOGICALLY I can say SB destroyed the ships because SB is the weapon that has displayed the actual feats to do so, and actually has the feats that you are trying to ascribe to the nigh featless cloak. LOGICALLY since the cloak has done NOTHING even remotely close to what you are implying it can do, EVER, I can say that it’s not happening here. That’s how logic works. If we can’t see what happened inside the ship, we deduced what likely happened by what has happened before and consistently, and a lightning cloak destroying ships isn’t on the list.

Scarlett Witch proves your statement about Thanos wrong...agreed with those who can beat her, bar a few more.

If you think Faora solos Thor h2h, how on earth is he going to overpower her when she had SB? She smacks him up without it. She hacks him up with it.

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#48  Edited By MattyBoi  Online

@rijehu:

LOGICALLY I can say SB destroyed the ships because SB is the weapon that has displayed the actual feats to do so, and actually has the feats that you are trying to ascribe to the nigh featless cloak. LOGICALLY since the cloak has done NOTHING even remotely close to what you are implying it can do, EVER, I can say that it’s not happening here. That’s how logic works. If we can’t see what happened inside the ship, we deduced what likely happened by what has happened before and consistently, and a lightning cloak destroying ships isn’t on the list.

Destroying the ships would be the cloak's feat.(since you said it didnt have one) Plus stormbreaker doesnt have an AOE like what was going on to the ship. It would've had to been the cloak. Plus thor only fought thanos with the stormbreaker amped cloak, so it wouldnt have any chance to do feats in that fight. I dont get how you can see stormbreaker(that's only feat is piercing thanos and his ships) doing that with the lightning but not the cloak. Just shows bias. Stormbreaker has literally only 1 feat that's better than the cloak.

Scarlett Witch proves your statement about Thanos wrong...agreed with those who can beat her, bar a few more.

How? Wanda beating thanos is a feat for her.

If you think Faora solos Thor h2h, how on earth is he going to overpower her when she had SB? She smacks him up without it. She hacks him up with it.

Faora is much faster than this version of thor.(tho prime thor would be faster than faora), which is why I say she solos. Plus thor has superior strength. Ring feat and wrecking hulk is better than anything faora can do.

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@mattyboi: @mattyboi: The cloak never destroyed the ship. Period. It never destroyed the ship because it’s never anything beyond harming fodder. Period. It has no feats to suggest it can do anything you’re saying because it never has. You said I’m being biased...I don’t think that word means what you think it does. As I’m the only one of use speaking facts. Thor has never utilized the cloak on any Spidet tiered being but you think it can now magically one shot ships. Not how that works my friend. Repetition won’t make it so.

You said Thanos was above everyone other than DD, Dormamu,and Sutrtur in MCU and DCEU, so I brought up being wrecked by SW to prove that statement wrong.

Russo’s and the narrative of the plot confirmed that Thor in EG was actually more powerful than he as ever been...so no, there is no version of Thor that’s faster than Faora. His strength feats mean nothing regarding the combat here as Clark’s in MOS were already better or in the least comparable, and his blitzes and punches were evaded and negated by Faora casually. Her fight with Clark showed far more skilled and utilization of her strengths that’s Thor ever has. Clark was actually superior to her in raw strength and power and she stomped him in their encounter so...Thor does far worse here.

The ring feats actually belongs moreso to Rocket’s ship than Thor. Thor was the anchor, Rocket’s ship propulsion was the force required to get the rings moving. People don’t want to dive into details though because that feat will get less impressive. But that’s another convo.

We both agree that Thor gets wrecked. That’s all that matters.

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