Endgame Captain Marvel vs MCU Worthy Cap and Hulk

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Rules:

  • Fight takes place at the end of EG
  • Bloodlusted
  • Starting distance: 40 meters apart
  • Hulk is angry
  • Win by any means
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Team win

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She wins. She’s the Superman of Marvel.

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The team is too slow. She wins

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Steve solos

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Hmm, Worthy Cap is basically the only worth opponent for Carol in the MCU, I'm not sure how a fight would go between the two of them.

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Team, Cap himself hit Thanos more than Carol

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Hulk solos

Cap might solo

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Hulk solos

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Yeah, I really don't see how Hulk solos

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Worthy Cap solos hard.

Hulk gets solod tho.

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If you think CM to be superior to Thanos (as I do) then you likely think she wrecks. If you think her his inferior then you probably believe the team wins.

Really though the Worthy Cap wank has to stop imo. Once Thanos got his bearings he wrecked him.

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It took Thanos pretty much 15 seconds to beat Cap once he got going.

As stated I believe CM is superior to Thanos here is a quick copy paste of my argument for why she would beat him even with his sword.

This is pretty massive btw.

First I am going to go into their fight against each other.

It is made clear imo that CM is Thanos’ superior.

She overpowered Thanos in their struggle for the gauntlet for strength.

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From her knees she stands up pushes Thanos back and then pushes him down. Thanos has a large leverage advantage yet is still shoved down. And once CM pushes him down he is unable to move her at all.

Many claim she was amped but the evidence isn't substantial. They either point out the barn scene which was her simply trying to keep him from closing his fist or they say she absorbed energy from the gauntlet and often say she was glowing brighter than she usually does which is also wrong. Captain Marvel can glow really bright.

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Furthermore they’re directors statements about CM that hint towards her being superior to Thanos physically at least strength wise.

All of the statements were found by @RajjarsAlt.

“It’s interesting seeing the Avengers with Captain Marvel. I think that she dimensionalizes them in a really great way. Just from a pure power standpoint and what her abilities are. If you’re talking about a collection of heroes, and you’re gonna go face Thanos, who we believe still has the gauntlet. She is as powerful, if not more powerful than Thor, and you suddenly have hope again. Because they all know what happened at the end of the last movie, he walked through them like they were paper.”

This quote pretty much flat out says she is stronger than Thor who while weaker than Thanos made him have to put work into overpowering him physically. Thor was their in Endgame yet the avengers still didn't have any of the "hope" as the directors call it as they had in IW. They only start believing they can win when CM arrives due to the sheer amount of power she brings to the table.

""Anthony [Russo] came up with the great idea -- this was a reshoot, by the way, at the last minute -- he had the great idea that Thanos pulls the power stone out of the gauntlet, and then he punches her with the raw power stone," he continued. "That is a fantastic use of that prop and that story point, because that’s what you want. And we had to find a way that he could sideline Captain Marvel for a minute, because she’s so powerful, there’s no way to do it.""

This one pretty much proves she didn’t absorb energy from the gauntlet and that Thanos needed the powerstone to beat her. Without the stone it is made clear that CM would have defeated Thanos. And Thanos literally could not move CM. He physically was not strong enough to overpower her. He needed the powerstone. They also would have certainly mentioned it here if she absorbed energy from the gauntlet.

There are more statements other than these but these two clearly show that CM wasn’t amped in the scene and that she clearly is meant to be physically stronger than Thanos.

For individual strength feats she is not lacking ether. she was capable of carrying the guardians ship across thousands of lightyears effortlessly.

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The ship is no slouch in size either.

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The ship likely weighs hundreds maybe even thousands of tons. She accelerated it past light speed. Not only does this shown insane endurance but also ridiculous strength. Moving something of this size at such speed is insane.

She also has of course the missle feat.

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This was calced by @divinevisitor to be a 100k plus feat.

"The Missile has the following stats:

Length: 32m

Mass: 209,600kg

Speed: 7000m/s

The Kree Missile that Carol catches is about 17 Brie Larson’s long, making it about 28.9m. Slightly smaller than the R-36 but the Kree Missile is slightly wider at the base/fins so i would say they could be compared with some degree of accuracy.

Now Carol catches the missile as it’s travelling through the Atmosphere which would be re-entry speed however after having caught the missile she is only fighting against the thrust of the engine and its Mass to keep it stationary, a thrust capable of having the missile travel at 7,000m/s at maximum output. Having found a clip of the scene on Youtube it appears Carol catches the missile at 24.5s and the Missile appears to come to a standstill at 31.5s for an impact duration of 7 seconds.

In order to calculate how much Force she is pushing against i used an impact force calculator (https://www.gigacalculator.com/calculators/impact-force-calculator.php) with the following inputs:

Mass: 209,600kg

Impact Velocity: 7,000m/s

Impact Duration: 7s

Which provided an Average Impact Force of 209.6MegaNewtons or 23,560short tons-force.

If we take that as the Mass she is effectively lifting then we can work out how much force she needed to apply to push the missile back.

Next we need to workout the distance thrown and final speed of the missile in order to work out it’s acceleration. It appears that Carol takes 2 seconds to build up the strength and throw the missile which is thrown approximately 10 missile lengths, that being 289meters based on its length relative to Brie Larson and takes about 3 seconds to move this distance.

Calculate Speed (s = d / t):

289m / 3s = 215.5mph

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=289+meters+in+3+seconds

Now we know the final speed we can work out the acceleration.

Calculate Acceleration (a = Δv / Δt):

0+215.5mph / 2s = 48.169m/s²

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=0%2B215.5mph+%2F+2s

With the Acceleration we can work out the Force.

Calculate Force (F = m X a):

23,560short tons X 48.169m/s² = 1029.5MN

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=23560short+tons+X+48.169m%2Fs%C2%B2+in+meganewtons

And from the Force work out the Short Ton Force.

Neurons to Short Ton Force:

1029.5MN = 115,700 short ton force

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1029.5MN+to+short+ton+force

Meaning Carol can probably lift in the region of 115,700 short tons or 104,961.27tons."

This is a lowball to. It puts the speed of the missile at a mere 7km a second. It was in all reality going much faster.

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To be frank it was going way faster than 7km per second it could be going like 20km per second. Either way insane feat.

Next on to durability CM also has the clear advantage. First she no sold a headbutt from Thanos.

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Which is one of his most powerful attacks, it did more damage to Ironman and Thor than his punches did and it straight up knocked Thor out. He is never seen again after this.

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I think this alone should prove her blunt force is superior to Thanos’. Thanos no selling one of his best strikes isn’t viable since I would argue his striking is better than his durability. While Thanos has beastly durability his striking is his most impressive physical stat. Dropping heroes in seconds with it like Hulk and Thor is just insane.

Even without it CM has better stand alone feats of durability most notably rain fire.

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The rain fire feat which was one shotting leviathans and wakandan ships.

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Every shot causes massive damage. Yet as seen here was completely ineffective against CM.

And she has feats such as these.

I imagine that the ship was ramming her at extremely high speeds and was likely outputting a ridiculous amount of force.

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If you calced this you would likely get insane amounts of force. Thanos has been ragdolled by ships that likely output less force than the one CM rammed into.

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You may be shouting at me that the ship that hit Thanos is bigger but to this I would say that CM’s was going much faster and it was quite large in itself. You can see it is much bigger than CM when she destroys them.

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They appear to be many times longer than CM and are obviously much thicker than she is.

CM also no sold flying threw this.

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Which had enough force to expand to this size.

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The missiles where previously shown doing this.

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This is insane durability feat as CM didn't even register explosions.

Next let's go to damage output.

CM has shown more than effective against Thanos striking wise.

Thanos before his fight with CM and after shows he was bruised extensively from their fight. And it is around the spots CM punches as well. This imo can't be a coincidence and is meant to show that CM bruised him.

This is a pic of Thanos after his fight with Cap and Wanda and he clearly isn’t that bruised.

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CM punches Thanos and you can see bruises.

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An even better visual of Thanos to show he wasn’t already bruised is when he was suspended in air by Wanda.

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And here is one more pic of Thanos after his fight with CM that shows how damaged his face is.

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Thanos had been in a literal war zone before this but he had clearly healed or was unaffected by most of what he had tanked. He went from looking fresh faced to damaged in his fight with CM.

Whenever people say Thanos tanked CM’s strikes I sigh a little because Thanos most definitely did not tank them he withstood them but CM only punched him twice and energy blasted him once had she popped of an actual combo on him instead of reaching for the gauntlet endgame likely would have ended then and there.

As for Thanos throwing her when she reached for the gauntlet it is overhyped. CM was left vulnerable when she reached for it and he took advantage of it and threw her when she could offer little to no resistance.

CM also has individual feats of striking that are insane.

She could shatter a bridge and ragdoll Kree with the AOE of her casual punches even before she had fully realized her full potential.

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The notion of her only busting "Fodder ships" is baseless. She is still destroying tons of metal at high speeds every time she destroys one. She is outputting tons of tons of force for each ship. And she destroys many of these ships.

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If Thanos destroyed an object as big as those ships with a single punch the vine would go insane. CM's visual effects often cause people to lose a sense of scale but these ships are massive.

CM also carved threw Thanos' army like butter. She arguably did the most individual damage of any avenger to the army. She ran threw it with utter ease. It was made clear that nothing in the army was stopping her.

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She also has the Sanctuary 2 feat which is without a doubt the best non god tier striking feat in the MCU. By god tier I mean Surtur, Celestial, infinity stones, Dormammu, and Ego.

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And let's talk about Sanctuary 2. You may have seen me lording this image around but tbh I actually am starting to lose faith in it as Sanctuary 2 seems to be much bigger than 4k meters.

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The reason I say this is because this image puts the Q ship at 250 meters. This is just wrong though. It is like at least 500 meters in size.

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Sanctuary was ungodly in size considering this as this is how big they were in comparison to Sanctuary.

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It is like 15 plus times bigger than a Q ship. This isn't even including the fact that like 6 q ships could fit in those hole thingies. I would estimate Sanctuary at 7000 meters if not more you could probably fit 20 q ships just on the bottom of it.

Sanctuary either way weighs tens of millions of tons assuming it is straight hollow. To be frank it probably weighs like 50 million plus tons. The holes CM makes in it probably is her tunneling threw over a million tons of metal straight up.

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The holes literally dwarf the remains of Avengers HQ. In order to destroy that much of the ship and decimate that much metal would take insane amounts of force. The script states the engine of the ship explodes; this doesn't actually affect much as the massive hole in the ship comes entirely from CM. Sanctuary should scale above the drop pods in durability which it contains within it. Which are notoriously durable.

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They can no sell being dropped from space. Drop ships are contained within Q ships and Sanctuary 2 visibly contains two Q ships inside it at the time CM flies threw it. It could hold more stacked in on it. And CM actually flies threw one meaning she likely flew through a few drop ships. And Sanctuary is likely designed of the same metal as them and is likely even more reinforced then them. Easily the best striking feat in the MCU barring the god tiers as I said. People often say Thanos dropping Thor in seven hits and Hulk in 12 puts anything she has to shame but to be frank I disagree. Thor and Hulk are both much more durable then Sanctuary but the impact force from that strike is well above any single strike delivered from Thanos. CM putting down Hulk and Thor within the amount of strikes Thanos did is more than viable imo.

Not to mention the accuser ship feat. Which is also an insane striking feat.

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This ship is likely around 2000 meters long and hundreds of meters tall. Now I will admit if Thanos lands a direct strike on CM with his sword she is done but not only will he not land a direct strike but a grazing strike isn’t going to damage CM much. I am going to be frank and say if Thanos or Thor did something on the level of Sanctuary or the Accuser ship as stated they would be lorded around the vine as gods of striking. I truly believe people lose a sense of scale when CM plows threw these ships like butter. This is the equivalent of her melting threw like ten burj khalifa's that vertically that are stacked on top of each other. It is probably better to be frank.

She has solid piercing durability that should help her with surviving grazing blows.

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This sword also cut threw an alien gun. And sliced threw Skrulls like butter.

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And the sword likely would fail to hit her. Cap was dancing around it fine and CM has more mobility then he does via flight. She can fly around Thanos dodging his strikes and hitting him with her strikes and energy blasts to wear him down and simply KO him after a time.

And she has her energy abilities.

She has shown to be capable of destroying metal ships as well. These blast can be used to pin Thanos down from a distance and keep him still.

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She has shown capable of ragdolling people with them as well. She could like shoot him in the legs or something to knock him down if she hits him with a straight concussive blast.

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She has shown energy AOE's. I don't see this doing much damage to Thanos but it could like temporarily blind him or something lol.

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Her most important feat with her energy blast is the fact that she can kinda use it as almost a teather to ragdoll things.

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She could use this to remove Thanos' weapon.

Not to mention speed. The entire final fight in er movie imo could have been moving a literally massively hypersonic speeds on a ridiculous scale.

We see her travel from Earth to space in under 10 seconds and never slow down if anything she sped up. That is insane speed. And I can see her straight dodging anything he tries to hit her with while hitting him.

In conclusion CM is stronger than Thanos, more durable than Thanos, more versatile than Thanos, more mobile than Thanos, can put down Thanos with little trouble if given reasonable amounts of time, and is superior in CQC if he gets disarmed. Thanos only wins if he lands a direct shot with his sword. If CM manages to disarm him it’s over as she outstats him in everything.

In order to think Thanos wins I feel as if you have to ignore individual feats entirely, ignore the intent of the scene in which she literally all but beats Thanos ( it was heavily implied she was going to straight up drop him if she landed the blow she had set up), and you have to flat out lie such as saying she was stunned by Thanos' throwing her which is weird as she was only gone for 10 seconds and was probably just stopping the momentum of the throw. You have to headcanon her fight with Thanos with ig absorption which makes no sense as the stones is what KOed her if she could absorb their energy she could have just absorbed the energy from the powerstone punch. And you have to over misconstrue scenes them such as with the barn scene to act as if CM wasn't choking Thanos in that very same scene while trying to simply keep his hand open so Hulkbuster can jump in and keep him from snapping.

CM wins. She won in Endgame straight up and she has better individual feats. Rainfire to be frank hits just as hard as Thanos it had Hulk cowering under cover and one shotting a Leviathan and going straight threw its armor is insane. Thanos isn't punching a hole straight threw a Leviathans armor in the same fashion as Sanctuary 2 did. To be frank Thanos putting CM down via blunt force is hardly viable as it would take a ridiculously long time.

TL:DR CM is better than Thanos in everything striking included. Hulk who got destroyed by Thanos in seconds is getting wasted even quicker here imo. Worthy Cap who got wrecked by Thanos real hard once he got his bearings isn't performing much better.

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@xzone: durability enough to tank her blows, a strength/ striking advantage, anger boost, and speed enough to keep up.

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Is BFR allowed? Because if so CM can win pretty handily

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@xzone: durability enough to tank her blows, a strength/ striking advantage, anger boost, and speed enough to keep up.

Don't think so. Carol's speed and skill should be similar to Thor's

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So this is basically what will happen, however, Carol's punches will do more to Hulk than Thor's did

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If you think CM to be superior to Thanos (as I do) then you likely think she wrecks. If you think her his inferior then you probably believe the team wins.

Really though the Worthy Cap wank has to stop imo. Once Thanos got his bearings he wrecked him.

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It took Thanos pretty much 15 seconds to beat Cap once he got going.

As stated I believe CM is superior to Thanos here is a quick copy paste of my argument for why she would beat him even with his sword.

This is pretty massive btw.

First I am going to go into their fight against each other.

It is made clear imo that CM is Thanos’ superior.

She overpowered Thanos in their struggle for the gauntlet for strength.

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From her knees she stands up pushes Thanos back and then pushes him down. Thanos has a large leverage advantage yet is still shoved down. And once CM pushes him down he is unable to move her at all.

Many claim she was amped but the evidence isn't substantial. They either point out the barn scene which was her simply trying to keep him from closing his fist or they say she absorbed energy from the gauntlet and often say she was glowing brighter than she usually does which is also wrong. Captain Marvel can glow really bright.

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Furthermore they’re directors statements about CM that hint towards her being superior to Thanos physically at least strength wise.

All of the statements were found by @RajjarsAlt.

“It’s interesting seeing the Avengers with Captain Marvel. I think that she dimensionalizes them in a really great way. Just from a pure power standpoint and what her abilities are. If you’re talking about a collection of heroes, and you’re gonna go face Thanos, who we believe still has the gauntlet. She is as powerful, if not more powerful than Thor, and you suddenly have hope again. Because they all know what happened at the end of the last movie, he walked through them like they were paper.”

This quote pretty much flat out says she is stronger than Thor who while weaker than Thanos made him have to put work into overpowering him physically. Thor was their in Endgame yet the avengers still didn't have any of the "hope" as the directors call it as they had in IW. They only start believing they can win when CM arrives due to the sheer amount of power she brings to the table.

""Anthony [Russo] came up with the great idea -- this was a reshoot, by the way, at the last minute -- he had the great idea that Thanos pulls the power stone out of the gauntlet, and then he punches her with the raw power stone," he continued. "That is a fantastic use of that prop and that story point, because that’s what you want. And we had to find a way that he could sideline Captain Marvel for a minute, because she’s so powerful, there’s no way to do it.""

This one pretty much proves she didn’t absorb energy from the gauntlet and that Thanos needed the powerstone to beat her. Without the stone it is made clear that CM would have defeated Thanos. And Thanos literally could not move CM. He physically was not strong enough to overpower her. He needed the powerstone. They also would have certainly mentioned it here if she absorbed energy from the gauntlet.

There are more statements other than these but these two clearly show that CM wasn’t amped in the scene and that she clearly is meant to be physically stronger than Thanos.

For individual strength feats she is not lacking ether. she was capable of carrying the guardians ship across thousands of lightyears effortlessly.

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The ship is no slouch in size either.

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The ship likely weighs hundreds maybe even thousands of tons. She accelerated it past light speed. Not only does this shown insane endurance but also ridiculous strength. Moving something of this size at such speed is insane.

She also has of course the missle feat.

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This was calced by @divinevisitor to be a 100k plus feat.

"The Missile has the following stats:

Length: 32m

Mass: 209,600kg

Speed: 7000m/s

The Kree Missile that Carol catches is about 17 Brie Larson’s long, making it about 28.9m. Slightly smaller than the R-36 but the Kree Missile is slightly wider at the base/fins so i would say they could be compared with some degree of accuracy.

Now Carol catches the missile as it’s travelling through the Atmosphere which would be re-entry speed however after having caught the missile she is only fighting against the thrust of the engine and its Mass to keep it stationary, a thrust capable of having the missile travel at 7,000m/s at maximum output. Having found a clip of the scene on Youtube it appears Carol catches the missile at 24.5s and the Missile appears to come to a standstill at 31.5s for an impact duration of 7 seconds.

In order to calculate how much Force she is pushing against i used an impact force calculator (https://www.gigacalculator.com/calculators/impact-force-calculator.php) with the following inputs:

Mass: 209,600kg

Impact Velocity: 7,000m/s

Impact Duration: 7s

Which provided an Average Impact Force of 209.6MegaNewtons or 23,560short tons-force.

If we take that as the Mass she is effectively lifting then we can work out how much force she needed to apply to push the missile back.

Next we need to workout the distance thrown and final speed of the missile in order to work out it’s acceleration. It appears that Carol takes 2 seconds to build up the strength and throw the missile which is thrown approximately 10 missile lengths, that being 289meters based on its length relative to Brie Larson and takes about 3 seconds to move this distance.

Calculate Speed (s = d / t):

289m / 3s = 215.5mph

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=289+meters+in+3+seconds

Now we know the final speed we can work out the acceleration.

Calculate Acceleration (a = Δv / Δt):

0+215.5mph / 2s = 48.169m/s²

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=0%2B215.5mph+%2F+2s

With the Acceleration we can work out the Force.

Calculate Force (F = m X a):

23,560short tons X 48.169m/s² = 1029.5MN

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=23560short+tons+X+48.169m%2Fs%C2%B2+in+meganewtons

And from the Force work out the Short Ton Force.

Neurons to Short Ton Force:

1029.5MN = 115,700 short ton force

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1029.5MN+to+short+ton+force

Meaning Carol can probably lift in the region of 115,700 short tons or 104,961.27tons."

This is a lowball to. It puts the speed of the missile at a mere 7km a second. It was in all reality going much faster.

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To be frank it was going way faster than 7km per second it could be going like 20km per second. Either way insane feat.

Next on to durability CM also has the clear advantage. First she no sold a headbutt from Thanos.

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Which is one of his most powerful attacks, it did more damage to Ironman and Thor than his punches did and it straight up knocked Thor out. He is never seen again after this.

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I think this alone should prove her blunt force is superior to Thanos’. Thanos no selling one of his best strikes isn’t viable since I would argue his striking is better than his durability. While Thanos has beastly durability his striking is his most impressive physical stat. Dropping heroes in seconds with it like Hulk and Thor is just insane.

Even without it CM has better stand alone feats of durability most notably rain fire.

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The rain fire feat which was one shotting leviathans and wakandan ships.

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Every shot causes massive damage. Yet as seen here was completely ineffective against CM.

And she has feats such as these.

I imagine that the ship was ramming her at extremely high speeds and was likely outputting a ridiculous amount of force.

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If you calced this you would likely get insane amounts of force. Thanos has been ragdolled by ships that likely output less force than the one CM rammed into.

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You may be shouting at me that the ship that hit Thanos is bigger but to this I would say that CM’s was going much faster and it was quite large in itself. You can see it is much bigger than CM when she destroys them.

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They appear to be many times longer than CM and are obviously much thicker than she is.

CM also no sold flying threw this.

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Which had enough force to expand to this size.

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The missiles where previously shown doing this.

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This is insane durability feat as CM didn't even register explosions.

Next let's go to damage output.

CM has shown more than effective against Thanos striking wise.

Thanos before his fight with CM and after shows he was bruised extensively from their fight. And it is around the spots CM punches as well. This imo can't be a coincidence and is meant to show that CM bruised him.

This is a pic of Thanos after his fight with Cap and Wanda and he clearly isn’t that bruised.

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CM punches Thanos and you can see bruises.

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An even better visual of Thanos to show he wasn’t already bruised is when he was suspended in air by Wanda.

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And here is one more pic of Thanos after his fight with CM that shows how damaged his face is.

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Thanos had been in a literal war zone before this but he had clearly healed or was unaffected by most of what he had tanked. He went from looking fresh faced to damaged in his fight with CM.

Whenever people say Thanos tanked CM’s strikes I sigh a little because Thanos most definitely did not tank them he withstood them but CM only punched him twice and energy blasted him once had she popped of an actual combo on him instead of reaching for the gauntlet endgame likely would have ended then and there.

As for Thanos throwing her when she reached for the gauntlet it is overhyped. CM was left vulnerable when she reached for it and he took advantage of it and threw her when she could offer little to no resistance.

CM also has individual feats of striking that are insane.

She could shatter a bridge and ragdoll Kree with the AOE of her casual punches even before she had fully realized her full potential.

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The notion of her only busting "Fodder ships" is baseless. She is still destroying tons of metal at high speeds every time she destroys one. She is outputting tons of tons of force for each ship. And she destroys many of these ships.

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If Thanos destroyed an object as big as those ships with a single punch the vine would go insane. CM's visual effects often cause people to lose a sense of scale but these ships are massive.

CM also carved threw Thanos' army like butter. She arguably did the most individual damage of any avenger to the army. She ran threw it with utter ease. It was made clear that nothing in the army was stopping her.

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She also has the Sanctuary 2 feat which is without a doubt the best non god tier striking feat in the MCU. By god tier I mean Surtur, Celestial, infinity stones, Dormammu, and Ego.

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And let's talk about Sanctuary 2. You may have seen me lording this image around but tbh I actually am starting to lose faith in it as Sanctuary 2 seems to be much bigger than 4k meters.

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The reason I say this is because this image puts the Q ship at 250 meters. This is just wrong though. It is like at least 500 meters in size.

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Sanctuary was ungodly in size considering this as this is how big they were in comparison to Sanctuary.

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It is like 15 plus times bigger than a Q ship. This isn't even including the fact that like 6 q ships could fit in those hole thingies. I would estimate Sanctuary at 7000 meters if not more you could probably fit 20 q ships just on the bottom of it.

Sanctuary either way weighs tens of millions of tons assuming it is straight hollow. To be frank it probably weighs like 50 million plus tons. The holes CM makes in it probably is her tunneling threw over a million tons of metal straight up.

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The holes literally dwarf the remains of Avengers HQ. In order to destroy that much of the ship and decimate that much metal would take insane amounts of force. The script states the engine of the ship explodes; this doesn't actually affect much as the massive hole in the ship comes entirely from CM. Sanctuary should scale above the drop pods in durability which it contains within it. Which are notoriously durable.

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They can no sell being dropped from space. Drop ships are contained within Q ships and Sanctuary 2 visibly contains two Q ships inside it at the time CM flies threw it. It could hold more stacked in on it. And CM actually flies threw one meaning she likely flew through a few drop ships. And Sanctuary is likely designed of the same metal as them and is likely even more reinforced then them. Easily the best striking feat in the MCU barring the god tiers as I said. People often say Thanos dropping Thor in seven hits and Hulk in 12 puts anything she has to shame but to be frank I disagree. Thor and Hulk are both much more durable then Sanctuary but the impact force from that strike is well above any single strike delivered from Thanos. CM putting down Hulk and Thor within the amount of strikes Thanos did is more than viable imo.

Not to mention the accuser ship feat. Which is also an insane striking feat.

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This ship is likely around 2000 meters long and hundreds of meters tall. Now I will admit if Thanos lands a direct strike on CM with his sword she is done but not only will he not land a direct strike but a grazing strike isn’t going to damage CM much. I am going to be frank and say if Thanos or Thor did something on the level of Sanctuary or the Accuser ship as stated they would be lorded around the vine as gods of striking. I truly believe people lose a sense of scale when CM plows threw these ships like butter. This is the equivalent of her melting threw like ten burj khalifa's that vertically that are stacked on top of each other. It is probably better to be frank.

She has solid piercing durability that should help her with surviving grazing blows.

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This sword also cut threw an alien gun. And sliced threw Skrulls like butter.

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And the sword likely would fail to hit her. Cap was dancing around it fine and CM has more mobility then he does via flight. She can fly around Thanos dodging his strikes and hitting him with her strikes and energy blasts to wear him down and simply KO him after a time.

And she has her energy abilities.

She has shown to be capable of destroying metal ships as well. These blast can be used to pin Thanos down from a distance and keep him still.

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She has shown capable of ragdolling people with them as well. She could like shoot him in the legs or something to knock him down if she hits him with a straight concussive blast.

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She has shown energy AOE's. I don't see this doing much damage to Thanos but it could like temporarily blind him or something lol.

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Her most important feat with her energy blast is the fact that she can kinda use it as almost a teather to ragdoll things.

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She could use this to remove Thanos' weapon.

Not to mention speed. The entire final fight in er movie imo could have been moving a literally massively hypersonic speeds on a ridiculous scale.

We see her travel from Earth to space in under 10 seconds and never slow down if anything she sped up. That is insane speed. And I can see her straight dodging anything he tries to hit her with while hitting him.

In conclusion CM is stronger than Thanos, more durable than Thanos, more versatile than Thanos, more mobile than Thanos, can put down Thanos with little trouble if given reasonable amounts of time, and is superior in CQC if he gets disarmed. Thanos only wins if he lands a direct shot with his sword. If CM manages to disarm him it’s over as she outstats him in everything.

In order to think Thanos wins I feel as if you have to ignore individual feats entirely, ignore the intent of the scene in which she literally all but beats Thanos ( it was heavily implied she was going to straight up drop him if she landed the blow she had set up), and you have to flat out lie such as saying she was stunned by Thanos' throwing her which is weird as she was only gone for 10 seconds and was probably just stopping the momentum of the throw. You have to headcanon her fight with Thanos with ig absorption which makes no sense as the stones is what KOed her if she could absorb their energy she could have just absorbed the energy from the powerstone punch. And you have to over misconstrue scenes them such as with the barn scene to act as if CM wasn't choking Thanos in that very same scene while trying to simply keep his hand open so Hulkbuster can jump in and keep him from snapping.

CM wins. She won in Endgame straight up and she has better individual feats. Rainfire to be frank hits just as hard as Thanos it had Hulk cowering under cover and one shotting a Leviathan and going straight threw its armor is insane. Thanos isn't punching a hole straight threw a Leviathans armor in the same fashion as Sanctuary 2 did. To be frank Thanos putting CM down via blunt force is hardly viable as it would take a ridiculously long time.

TL:DR CM is better than Thanos in everything striking included. Hulk who got destroyed by Thanos in seconds is getting wasted even quicker here imo. Worthy Cap who got wrecked by Thanos real hard once he got his bearings isn't performing much better.

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Carol 1 shots both

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Carol rofl

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OT: Captain marvel mid diff

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LOL at Captain Marvrel being superior to Thanos lol

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OT: Captain marvel mid diff

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LOL at Captain Marvrel being superior to Thanos lol

Lets compare them

Captain marvels Powers:

  • Flight.
  • Superhuman strength and durability.
  • Energy manipulation: She can shoot energy blasts from her hands.
  • Energy absorption: She can absorb energy, like lightning, and this absorption actually augments her other abilities, making her even more powerful.

Thanos::

: has an Metal stick

LOL he is outclassed in every way possible

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Hulk was low-diffed by Thanos, Carol had Thanos reaching for the Power Stone. That in of itself is enough to suggest Hulk won't be much of a factor.

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Carol stomps. Worthy Cap and Hulk aren’t physically comparable to high-tiers like L&T Prime Thor, EG Carol, or Thanos.

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Carol claps there cheeks

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Worthy Cap solo. Might even take them both 🤔.

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MISMATCH they dont have a way stopping Carol

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#31  Edited By nassergrant19
@supremegeneration said:

Worthy Cap solo. Might even take them both 🤔.

Wat? Lol Carol stomps him. Worthy Cap isn’t physically comparable to high-tiers like EG Carol, L&T Prime Thor, or Thanos.

And we already saw what Thanos‘s physicals did to Steve…

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Carol. You’d have to throw in Thor as well.

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#33  Edited By AbbottforPres

If we are to be honest to ourselves, anyone can acknowledge and say that Steve did much better against Thanos before he got tired and fought Carol who, by sheer circumstances, had massive advantages at the time.

The first Avenger and the real Captain would beat up the feminist ripoff and teach her how to make a sandwich, and adding Banner only increases the team’s winning rate to 100% while it was already close to that spot, by at least as high as 65%, with Cap being there alone.

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@supremegeneration said:

Worthy Cap solo. Might even take them both 🤔.

Wat? Lol Carol stomps him. Worthy Cap isn’t physically comparable to high-tiers like EG Carol, L&T Prime Thor, or Thanos.

And we already saw what Thanos‘s physicals did to Steve…

He doesn’t need to be physically comparable, he just needs to hit them enough times with Mjolnir to drop them. He’s at least comparably as fast if not faster and a helluva lot more skilled than Carol so he‘ll be landing wayyyyyyyy more hits.

Thanos was carried through by his insane durability and even then WoG said had Cap landed that last hit that Thanos was done, and I know you just love your WoG.

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@supremegeneration:

He doesn’t need to be physically comparable, he just needs to hit them enough times with Mjolnir to drop them. He’s at least comparably as fast if not faster and a helluva lot more skilled than Carol so he‘ll be landing wayyyyyyyy more hits.

Except the hits will be tanked and he’ll eventually be overpowered just like what happened in EG.

Thanos was carried through by his insane durability and even then WoG said had Cap landed that last hit that Thanos was done,

Pretty sure that was potentially. Also, done? Okay, that’s pretty neat. Pre-Prime EG Thor physical stats could’ve killed Thanos and he gets stronger than that in his L&T prime? Damn, even more credence to WoG putting current L&T Thor as the strongest Avenger. Might add this to the discussion. Thanks.

and I know you just love your WoG.

Sure…I guess? Lol.

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How are people arguing that Cap solos when thanos literally beat him in the movie lol

Team wins, CM mvp