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Endgame Captain America vs Ragnarok Hulk
“Cap... he is a faster, more skilled thor now.”
- I agree 100%.
Cap wins. His skill and technique with the hammer and shield is insane. I can't even believe people are arguing otherwise when we see him clash with Thanos's sword and uppercut him. The same guy who made Hulk a Joke. I'm surprised people think otherwise.
Cap wins. His skill and technique with the hammer and shield is insane. I can't even believe people are arguing otherwise when we see him clash with Thanos's sword and uppercut him. The same guy who made Hulk a Joke. I'm surprised people think otherwise.
Hulk beat the crap out of Thor twice. Hitting thanos isn't going to put down Hulk
What evidence do you guys have that the hammer didn't strengthen Cap? Anytime someone is worthy of the hammer in comics, they obtain the power of Thor. Everytime.
It's a big assumption that Cap's physicals didn't become amped.
It's even proven on screen if people watched that fight scene properly. If Cap wasn't amped, his strikes would barely affect Thanos even with Mjolnir. He even took strikes from Thanos repeatedly when usually he'd get one-shotted. It's further backed up afterwards once he loses Mjolnir, he gets beat down pretty easily and got one-shotted by a direct blow.
Honestly I'm not sure if it's just usual Hulk fanboyism or just a general thing to downplay Cap because "oMg rUsSo FoRce"
Mjolnir is an extremely powerful magical hammer, sure... it's still a piece of metal. Okay, it's durable enough that when it hits Thanos' body it doesn't crumple or break as if it is normal steel... but it still needs to be packing sufficient force if it is going to hurt Thanos.
Cap was producing sufficient force with Mjolnir to put Thanos on his backside, he was even giving it to him with Mjolnir and a frigging knee for crying out loud. To me, that's as much an indication his physicals were amped as him summoning lightning is an indication he now has control over magic. But even if we set that aside and say his physicals weren't amped, my point remains that sufficient force needs to be generated to affect Thanos in the first place, super durable metal hammer or not. Either way, Cap produced a sufficient amount of force.
Now... let's talk about speed and skill. Cap has, consistently, shown speed and skill well beyond the likes of Thor/Loki/Hulk... he's even shown better speed and skill (might as well just call it skill since in a real fight the two are almost synonymous) than the likes of Iron Man, Ultron and Thanos... except the problem has always been that even if for every 3-5 strikes he lands on one of these guys, none of them hurt, so the 1 strike they land in return actually hurts Cap and he ends up losing. We saw this with Loki, we saw it with Thanos, we saw it especially with Ultron.
Now if we think about Hulk... he's someone who gets outpaced, outboxed and outpunched by frigging Thor... the same Thor who has been consistently underwhelming in just about every hand-to-hand fight he's ever been in. He literally just acts as a tank most of the time. Ultron? Thanos? Kurse? Even if you look at his fights against Loki, Loki tends to land more consecutive blows early on in the fight, but Thor tends to just outmuscle and tank his way through to gain the edge (in fact he was outright saved in Avengers by the jet).
If you look at Cap's fight with Loki, he was dodging most of Loki's strikes, countering with his own (which would do nothing), and then Loki would respond with a strike that actually has an impact.
Except now, for whatever reason, Cap along with his magical lightning hammer, can generate enough force to put Thanos on his ass, a guy who pretty much shits on everyone else I mentioned in this post (Cap even outperformed Thor against Thanos... Thor barely landed a single strike and just got slammed into the ground and beaten... Cap landed, including lightning, 13 consecutive, unanswered strikes on Thanos)... and in terms of speed and skill Hulk is damn near at the bottom of that rung, noticeably beneath Thor... Cap being at the top of that rung and now with a weapon/powerset that can seriously hurt Hulk, and, grants Cap far more versatility like remotely or directly summoning lightning, lightning empowered strikes, ground based AoE lightning, throwing and summoning the hammer, using the shield to cancel all of Hulk's force or just throwing it as a distraction... I fail to see how Hulk doesn't get completely and utterly wasted here.
It's like someone said, this is basically Thor but far more skilled and fast... I doubt Cap is nearly as strong or durable as Thor but it hardly matters because for all intents and purposes he can hurt Hulk, and that's all he needs.
@ecgelsv: Thanos was wearing his armor in Endgame and not in Infinity War.
@gateofbabylon: Cap shielded all of Thanos' blows, watch the fight again
@rbt: @thevvitchking: Cap was able to hurt thanos with his knee. I doubt that cap with his normal stats is able to hurt thanos. And Odin already stated that the one who takes Thor hammer will have his power.that may include stats
That said cap wins
@celebrobtoo: wdym thanos just put him to the ground and punched him and cap was ko'd while it took a barrage of punches to take out hulk
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." - Odin
Cap's skill with Thor's stats is a win for Cap. What he was doing to Thanos he'll do worse to Hulk.
@mattyboi: Thanos bodied hulk in seconds and ate his hits like they we’re nothing while Cap got in some good hits on Thanos
@celebrobtoo: both hulk and cap got they're combos in on thanos but hulk is able to tank some of thanos' hits while cap just gets one shotted
@mattyboi: How so? Hulk was out cold while cap got Back up to fight some more
@celebrobtoo: All thanos had to do was put cap down and punch him and he was off screened for a few minutes while it took a barrage of punches to take hulk out
@mattyboi: Whats your point? Cap did more damage to Thanos than hulk did and was up fighting again while hulk was out cold and turned back into banner. Cap put up a better fight than Hulk.
@celebrobtoo: Cap is a glass canon, a few punches(if not one) from hulk and hes out while hulk can casually tank hits from thor's hammer. Also thor 1 thor with his hammer is stronger than cap with it and hulk is in the same level if not stronger than him
@mattyboi: "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." Caps hand to hand plus the strength speed durability and powers of Thor. That means he isn't a glass canon with the hammer.
@celebrobtoo: He is a glass canon.. he literally got one shotted by thanos and was off screened for 10 minutes
Hulk has been hit by Mjolnir with Thor swinging it, obviously Captain America won't be able to damage him.
@mattyboi: You keep saying that like Cap wasn't the one Of the trinity to put up the best fight against Thanos. He would get kicked down and get right back up every time.
Thanos threw him through that piece of stone and he was up with the hammer in around 2 minutes. Cap then proceeded to land more hits on Thanos than anyone had been able to land up to that point in these films. Then he was knocked down again and you know what he did? He got right back up. I have no idea where you're getting this 10 minutes thing from when it was 2 minutes max.
@celebrobtoo: The trinity was nerfed VERY badly. Also thanos punched cap and he was ko'd for a few minutes. He didnt just "get up" he was actually ko'd but woke up. The only one who wasnt nerfed was cap. And everyone from the trinity in iw did much better than cap in this movie
@mattyboi: You thinking they were Nerfed isn't an argument and you should rewatch the movie cause everything you are saying is false. it was 2 minutes. Cap landed more hits and did better against Thanos than Thor and Ironman. Only two who did better than Cap against Thanos are Marvel and Wanda.
@celebrobtoo: The trinity was nerfed. Look at say iron man's infinity war preformance. He kept up with and made thanos bleed when thanos had 4 stones, look at him now cant do anything to a stoneless thanos with help from cap and thor. Look at thor hes slow now cant tag thanos with his hammer and stormbreaker yet nearly one shots him in infinity war. DeFeNItLy WasNt NeRfeD.
1. Thanos is out for blood and wants them all dead. He goes for the killing blows this time unlike in Infinity war when he walked away every isngle time he had anyone dead to rights. He put mantis and Drax back together on nowhere, he let everyone go without killing them on titan, he stabbed Tony but didn't finish him off on titan, he basically shoved everyone aside in Wakanda when he could have killed them. If he didn't have to kill you he didn't. But in Endgame he's tired of the games and tired of everyone attempting to interfere with his plans. He came to 2023 looking to destroy everyone. HE was about to rip Tony in half until Thor stopped him. and he was about to stab Thor until Cap came and stopped him.
2. Thor caught Thanos off guard which is the only reason he almost one shot him in the previous movie.
3. I never encountered a childish debater on here until you. Congratulations.
1. Actually thanos tried to kill tony and was about to till strange offered him the time stone
2. Fair point but if hulk can tag thanos thor should be able to too, as in ragnarok he was faster than him.
3. Cool.
@mattyboi: He tried to because he was preventing him from getting the stone hence the "If he didn't have to kill you he didn't" Only deaths he caused were the ones that would get him the stones.
@celebrobtoo: Yeah, he wanted tony dead... your literally proving my point.
@celebrobtoo: The trinity was nerfed. Look at say iron man's infinity war preformance. He kept up with and made thanos bleed when thanos had 4 stones, look at him now cant do anything to a stoneless thanos with help from cap and thor. Look at thor hes slow now cant tag thanos with his hammer and stormbreaker yet nearly one shots him in infinity war. DeFeNItLy WasNt NeRfeD.
Iron man got one shotted by a Mjolnir throw from Thor so he was out for most of the fight.
@mattyboi: How am I proving your point? He didn't kill him cause he got the stone
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