He needs both intel and support otherwise they absorb all his Ninjutsu and simply TK him towards them to kill him.
EMS Sasuke vs Pain
Sasuke, only 1/6 pains aren't fodder.
Sasuke gets steamrolled. Pain can see when Sasuke is going to use his MS abilities and can absorb all of his justu since he's mostly a medium to long range fighter , can also pull him directly out of susanoo , and can force Sasuke to be defensive by just spamming summons and missiles
Sasuke, only 1/6 pains aren't fodder.
Sasuke gets steamrolled. Pain can see when Sasuke is going to use his MS abilities and can absorb all of his justu since he's mostly a medium to long range fighter , can also pull him directly out of susanoo , and can force Sasuke to be defensive by just spamming summons and missiles
feats of bansho tien pulling someone out of Susanoo.
Sasuke using Susanoo full body with Aoda fodderises all of pains summons.
Only one body can absorb jutsu, don't forget that all of Pains powers are divided into six bodies, with each one being little more than a one-trick pony.
Sasuke blitzes and kills them all with a combination of Amaterasu and Chidori blade.
Sasuke, only 1/6 pains aren't fodder.
Sasuke gets steamrolled. Pain can see when Sasuke is going to use his MS abilities and can absorb all of his justu since he's mostly a medium to long range fighter , can also pull him directly out of susanoo , and can force Sasuke to be defensive by just spamming summons and missiles
feats of bansho tien pulling someone out of Susanoo.
Sasuke using Susanoo full body with Aoda fodderises all of pains summons.
Only one body can absorb jutsu, don't forget that all of Pains powers are divided into six bodies, with each one being little more than a one-trick pony.
Sasuke blitzes and kills them all with a combination of Amaterasu and Chidori blade.
The fact Gaara pulled Madara out and Naruto interacted with Sasuke in the susanoo in their fight is proof they can be pulled from it. Even if he can't pull him out he can slam him right into it
Hes still wasting chakra while pain will be spamming away. He can fly on the bird , have another pain chill inside of the chameleon , use a few other different summons too
Sasuke isn't faster than Sage mode naruto who pain was dodging just fine. Also you are forgetting the rinnegan can see chakra build up he'll know when Amaterasu is coming and one touch of the black rods will make him miss chidori like Kakashi
Sasuke, only 1/6 pains aren't fodder.
Sasuke gets steamrolled. Pain can see when Sasuke is going to use his MS abilities and can absorb all of his justu since he's mostly a medium to long range fighter , can also pull him directly out of susanoo , and can force Sasuke to be defensive by just spamming summons and missiles
feats of bansho tien pulling someone out of Susanoo.
Sasuke using Susanoo full body with Aoda fodderises all of pains summons.
Only one body can absorb jutsu, don't forget that all of Pains powers are divided into six bodies, with each one being little more than a one-trick pony.
Sasuke blitzes and kills them all with a combination of Amaterasu and Chidori blade.
The fact Gaara pulled Madara out and Naruto interacted with Sasuke in the susanoo in their fight is proof they can be pulled from it. Even if he can't pull him out he can slam him right into it
Gaara's sand is a physical object that was inside madara's susanoo. It's not the same, and since you wont show any proof of bansho tien dragging a user out of susanoo, I ll consider the argument groundless.
Hes still wasting chakra while pain will be spamming away. He can fly on the bird , have another pain chill inside of the chameleon , use a few other different summons too
Ems Sasuke literally spammed heavy chakra jutsu without any reprieve from the moment he was introduced, up until he lost to Madara. Stamina is not an issue against pain.
Pains summons are literally fodder to Ems Sasuke and wouldn't even register as an annoyance.
Sasuke isn't faster than Sage mode naruto who pain was dodging just fine. Also you are forgetting the rinnegan can see chakra build up he'll know when Amaterasu is coming and one touch of the black rods will make him miss chidori like Kakashi
Ems sasuke is superior to any one opponent Pain ever fought. most of your arguments are so nonsensical, they're not even worth addressing. Amaterasu has no noticbly charge time, and Ems Sasuke can easily use it on multiple people at a time. his chidori also has the ap to kill anyone here.
Pain stomps.
No
lol at people saying Sasuke had trouble with Danzo when:
1. It was MS Sasuke, not EMS.
2. He was all beat up and fatigued, near blindness, too.
3. He stomped Danzo multiple times, the dude had to spam Izanagi to stand a chance LMAO.
Sasuke reacted to 4th Raikage speed way before turning EMS and is able to react to Juubito as EMS, he's too fast for Pain to handle, the weaker Pains get blitzed by Inferno Style and then Sasuke kills Tendo with his Susanoo Arrow (his fastest attack) before Pain can even react.
Plus, Sasuke is smart enough to realize Pain's weakness (if he needs to).
Not to mention that this Sasuke can spam the shit out of his abilities all the time.
Sasuke, only 1/6 pains aren't fodder.
Sasuke gets steamrolled. Pain can see when Sasuke is going to use his MS abilities and can absorb all of his justu since he's mostly a medium to long range fighter , can also pull him directly out of susanoo , and can force Sasuke to be defensive by just spamming summons and missiles
feats of bansho tien pulling someone out of Susanoo.
Sasuke using Susanoo full body with Aoda fodderises all of pains summons.
Only one body can absorb jutsu, don't forget that all of Pains powers are divided into six bodies, with each one being little more than a one-trick pony.
Sasuke blitzes and kills them all with a combination of Amaterasu and Chidori blade.
The fact Gaara pulled Madara out and Naruto interacted with Sasuke in the susanoo in their fight is proof they can be pulled from it. Even if he can't pull him out he can slam him right into it
Gaara's sand is a physical object that was inside madara's susanoo. It's not the same, and since you wont show any proof of bansho tien dragging a user out of susanoo, I ll consider the argument groundless.
Hes still wasting chakra while pain will be spamming away. He can fly on the bird , have another pain chill inside of the chameleon , use a few other different summons too
Ems Sasuke literally spammed heavy chakra jutsu without any reprieve from the moment he was introduced, up until he lost to Madara. Stamina is not an issue against pain.
Pains summons are literally fodder to Ems Sasuke and wouldn't even register as an annoyance.
Sasuke isn't faster than Sage mode naruto who pain was dodging just fine. Also you are forgetting the rinnegan can see chakra build up he'll know when Amaterasu is coming and one touch of the black rods will make him miss chidori like Kakashi
Ems sasuke is superior to any one opponent Pain ever fought. most of your arguments are so nonsensical, they're not even worth addressing. Amaterasu has no noticbly charge time, and Ems Sasuke can easily use it on multiple people at a time. his chidori also has the ap to kill anyone here.
That's honestly a very bad argument which doesn't make sense when you think about it.
They would because when pain is just chilling in the invisible chameleon or flying on the bird spamming attacks what will he do then ? Shoot fireballs and lightning that would just get absorbed ?
Except Naruto who's on par with him. Amaterasu has no noticeable charge time ? Besides the 2 seconds of eye bleeding ? Nagato didn't just predict when Itachi would use his mangekyo sharingan he saw it. Good thing pain has multiple ways of dealing with amaterasu. Chidori didn't even work for kakashi
You know my arguments are perfectly sound. All you can say is the same old stuff that pain will have an easy counter for
That's honestly a very bad argument which doesn't make sense when you think about it.
You call my argument bad, when your's blatantly refuses to take into account that pain is split into six bodies with different ablities.
They would because when pain is just chilling in the invisible chameleon or flying on the bird spamming attacks what will he do then ? Shoot fireballs and lightning that would just get absorbed ?
Again, stop talking about Pain as if he is a single person. If your entire strategy is based off running away or hiding, then its luaghfable to call yourself stronger than your opponent.
Except Naruto who's on par with him.
Pain arc sage Naruto is not on par with Ems Sasuke.
Amaterasu has no noticeable charge time ? Besides the 2 seconds of eye bleeding ?
Ohh wow, look at that charge time.
Nagato didn't just predict when Itachi would use his mangekyo sharingan he saw it.
Nagato cannot be conflated with Pain, he is superior in all ways to him. And Sasukes use of Amaterasu cannot be conflated with Itachi's. He is far more skilled in it's use.
Good thing pain has multiple ways of dealing with amaterasu. Chidori didn't even work for kakashi
Pain has two ways to deal with Amaterasu. Both of which, again, are tied to two specific bodies. And Sasuke utilises Chidori in combat more effectively than Kakashi, so again, the two characters cant be conflated
You know my arguments are perfectly sound. All you can say is the same old stuff that pain will have an easy counter for
Ah yes, Pain will run away and hide like a coward, and then fight in a way that he has never been shown to do. Yes, your argument is so sound. Its so funny, pain admitted both Naruto and Kakashi were dangerous opponents to him, yet it never occurred to him that he could just run away and throw jutsu out from his hiding spot.
That's honestly a very bad argument which doesn't make sense when you think about it.
You call my argument bad, when your's blatantly refuses to take into account that pain is split into six bodies with different ablities.
They would because when pain is just chilling in the invisible chameleon or flying on the bird spamming attacks what will he do then ? Shoot fireballs and lightning that would just get absorbed ?
Again, stop talking about Pain as if he is a single person. If your entire strategy is based off running away or hiding, then its luaghfable to call yourself stronger than your opponent.
Except Naruto who's on par with him.
Pain arc sage Naruto is not on par with Ems Sasuke.
Amaterasu has no noticeable charge time ? Besides the 2 seconds of eye bleeding ?
Ohh wow, look at that charge time.
Nagato didn't just predict when Itachi would use his mangekyo sharingan he saw it.
Nagato cannot be conflated with Pain, he is superior in all ways to him. And Sasukes use of Amaterasu cannot be conflated with Itachi's. He is far more skilled in it's use.
Good thing pain has multiple ways of dealing with amaterasu. Chidori didn't even work for kakashi
Pain has two ways to deal with Amaterasu. Both of which, again, are tied to two specific bodies. And Sasuke utilises Chidori in combat more effectively than Kakashi, so again, the two characters cant be conflated
You know my arguments are perfectly sound. All you can say is the same old stuff that pain will have an easy counter for
Ah yes, Pain will run away and hide like a coward, and then fight in a way that he has never been shown to do. Yes, your argument is so sound. Its so funny, pain admitted both Naruto and Kakashi were dangerous opponents to him, yet it never occurred to him that he could just run away and throw jutsu out from his hiding spot.
Sasuke doesn't exactly have prep here. 6 bodies is a tactical advantage when they all share their vision
I will not. Theres plenty of long range fighters in Naruto why would you not use every ability in your disposal?
Naruto didn't get an upgrade in the war with Sage mode.
The rinnegan can see chakra and chakra lines. There is no proof that Nagatos eyes are any different than pains
Sasuke is stronger than Kakashi thats it he doesn't have more versatile use of chidori. Sasuke is susceptible to the black rods in the same way everyone else is if Pain touches him with it.
I take it you don't remember the Jiraiya fight ? Or how Pain was using summons in the village ? Even Nagato used those strategies. Considering he beat both of them plus their allies I think he was doing just fine
1.) Ems Sasuke can somewhat track Juubito's movements....nobody here is anywhere near that fast.
2.) Amaterasu spam is SUPER EFFECTIVE only like two characters here have a solid counter or any at all for that matter. Furthermore one path has to absorb via barrier or hands and cannot just blow it away or rather negate it entirely after it has made contact with his person/started to consume him. As shown with edo Nagato after Itachi struck him with amaterasu he had to use shinra tensei/repulsive force to remove it not jutsu or chakra absorption abilities...
3.) Aoda Sasuke's most recent snake summoning is stated to be around Manda's level if not the revamped Manda mark 2 incarnation that constricted turtle island it's at least as strong as the original one that tanked Deidara's c0 bomb without being destroyed utterly it should serve as a great distraction tool and tank.
4.) The hawk summon greatly increases his mobility obviously over that of the Naruto who face them pre war arc.
5.) Sasuke is a genius.
6.) Sasuke's susano'o is impervious to everything, but pain's VERY best and most chakra consuming moves like wide spread/large aoe shinra tensei or chibaku tensei.
As you can see basically Sasuke has all the makings to take this or even on the flip side at the very least ensure the path's take him with high difficulty.
There is a heavy downplay on Sasuke's abilities in this thread.
Pain does not immediately go for his village busting ST or CT. Tbh, I feel like the super ST is far more dangerous for Sasuke than CT, because there are ways to counter CT while super ST has to be tanked or dimension hopped (which sasuke can do like he did with deidara). Sasuke can target the CT's center to destroy it, Sasuke has the intelligence to figure that out or he could actually target the Deva path using his arrow, which he wouldn't be able to block since he is doing the CT.
Sasuke has Amaterasu and he can spam it. He does spam it and he does not wait to do it either. I see him taking out most of the pain using Amaterasu. Also, none of the paths can tank the Amaterasu and be unharmed. If Deva gets hit by Amaterasu, he will burn until he pushes the flames away, same for the chakra absorbing path, as it will also burn until he absorbs Amaterasu.
As the match starts, Sasuke will genjutsu them or start using Amaterasu spam on all of them. Everyone will be caught in it, only Deva would counter it. Then it will be 1v1.
Sasuke is hilariously more faster than Pain btw. So, there is no dodging the amaterasu.
So 1v1 with Deva would basically come down to if Sasuke can kill Deva before he uses super ST or CT. Which I think Sasuke can with his superior intellect, speed and hax.
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