EMS Sasuke vs Pain

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#51 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1787 posts) - - Show Bio

Chibaku tensai seals Sasuke, it could seal KN8 Naruto and Nagato could’ve made it much bigger if he didn’t already destroy the village

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#52 Posted by xMangog__Beastx (4802 posts) - - Show Bio

Pain.

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#53 Posted by Earendill (1762 posts) - - Show Bio

Pain

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#54 Posted by DaLastUchihaMan (514 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#55 Posted by Streak619 (8358 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke handily

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#56 Posted by reaverlation (25964 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke wrecks

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#57 Posted by Yassassin (7809 posts) - - Show Bio

Who shoots first scenario: either Sasuke uses gejutsu or Pain flattens him with a Shinra Tensei.

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#58 Posted by deactivated-5beeed406e9c9 (1473 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke stomps

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#59 Edited by Grinningf0x (1587 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke mid diffs

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#60 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (4385 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke low-mid diff.

Most of the paths get lit by amateratsu or catch an arrow to the face. Deva is the only threat, but he doesn't have the speed to compete with Sasuke 1v1 after the other paths are made quick work of. Sasuke can avoid CT and block ST with susanoo as well.

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#61 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (6172 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke wins. Deva’s the only real challenge but i don’t see him reacting to the Susanoo arrows.

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#62 Posted by Bastetz (184 posts) - - Show Bio
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#63 Posted by AlexTheBoss (19670 posts) - - Show Bio

Whoever wins it would be with extremely high difficulty. As long as Pain doesn't let his guard down I think he may have the advantage due to being able to absorb Sasuke's jutsu, wearing him out with summons, and planetary devastation.

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#64 Edited by great_black_star (3367 posts) - - Show Bio

It could go either way. SM Naruto needed three Boss Summons and two sages in his back to even compete Pain. EVen then, it was kyuubi and Minato that save his ass at final moment. Not to mention, Pain that Naruto faced was already exhausted as it battle entire Konoha's shinobi and busted the village.

Even then Naruto has to use his Talk no Jutsu to make Nagato commit suicide.

But Sasuke has very good counter for Nagat's arsenel like amatersau, Kagetsuchi and Susanoo. Still Pain is extremely powerful even by beginning of war arc standard. I will give Nagato 5.1/10 majority.

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#65 Posted by Streak619 (8358 posts) - - Show Bio

All paths can potentially die with a single Amaterasu.

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#66 Posted by marvelfan1992 (3536 posts) - - Show Bio

this thread went from people spamming Pain wins to people spamming Sasuke wins lol

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#67 Posted by GohanDorado (436 posts) - - Show Bio

I still think Pain wins here, if it was just Deva, than i'd agree that Sasuke has this, but all 6 paths should overwhelm him.

It's true that amaterasu can easily break Nagato's connection with a body, but the Naraka path can help him regain that connection. The petra path is key here as well because it can absorb amatarsu off itself and off his allies, deva can likely peel it off as well. Sasuke's susano'o arrow is extremely fast, but he still needs time to knock. Deva can either deflect it, or animal path could intercept with something like cerebus. In the end Nagato will most likely prioritize protecting the Nakara, which would allow him to win this attrition battle. Also perfect susano'o/susano'o in general should be vulnerable to Petra's chakra absorption, and if he absorbs that, it would likely end the battle for Pain/Nagato

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#68 Posted by Supermanforever (9829 posts) - - Show Bio

Pain wins.

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#69 Posted by Megafanflash (931 posts) - - Show Bio
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#70 Posted by ourmanuel (13901 posts) - - Show Bio

As with every other thread involving pain, this is basically sasuke vs deva.

And sasuke stomps. Chibaku tensei is only used at the end of fights and it’s chakra drain is too much. Sasuke will eventually stomp him.

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#71 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1787 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: what does the chakra drain have to do with anything? chibaku tensai is going to be used and once its used Pain wins

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#72 Posted by ourmanuel (13901 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing: @whatamiseeing: that’s a technique that has only ever been used as a last resort due to the chakra drain. He’s not going to pull that off in time.

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#73 Posted by deactivated-5c830d4e319e6 (4952 posts) - - Show Bio

Pain.

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#74 Edited by WhatamIseeing (1787 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: why wouldnt he use it once he sees susanoo which is a much bigger threat than 6tailed naruto. If sasuke uses his last resort why wouldnt nagato. You also need to consider nagato used that CT after using a CST. Sasuke is doomed if Nagato goes straight to CT.

Basically sasuke can only win if Pain doesnt go all out so Pain is stronger

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#75 Posted by ArtoriasAbyssWalker (667 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing: In theory, Sasuke could destroy the core of the CT if he's quick enough. Inferno style Susano'o arrow is stronger than KN6 TBB.

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#76 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1787 posts) - - Show Bio

@artoriasabysswalker: Thats possible. Its also possible for Nagato to reflect the susanoo arrow back at sasuke using ST/BT

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#77 Posted by ArtoriasAbyssWalker (667 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing: Ehhh I'm not sure if Pain can break concentration to use ST. I kinda find this battle a bit pointless. EMS Sasuke is lacking any credible feats compared to MS and Rinnegan. He had to fight Kabuto without killing him so he needed to hold back. I personally believe that EMS Sasuke is stronger than Sage Mode Naruto, but I feel SM Naruto had a better chance at defeating Pain than Sasuke. However, if it were Sasuke vs Deva Path alone then I put money on Sasuke.

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#78 Posted by Grinningf0x (1587 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke mid diffs at worst

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#80 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1787 posts) - - Show Bio

@artoriasabysswalker: Im sure pain can afford to break concentration for 2 seconds to ensure his victory against sasuke. Worst case scenario for 2 seconds the CT doesnt pull in as much rock as it should.

EMS sasuke is stronger than sage mode naruto butnaruto was defeated by pain twice in that fight and pain was weakened and holding back. Also Sasukes susanoo cant survive a slam from juubito which is far weaker than a Chou Shinra Tensai. Pain has two 100% guaranteed ways of killing sasuke while sasuke has zero.

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#81 Posted by ourmanuel (13901 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing: pain wouldn’t get the chance to focus and form his chibaku tensei. Remember the dude had to hide from the nine tails to do that. If sasuke uses susanoo, he’ll also likely be using Amaterasu also. And then he’ll shoot pain with arrows.

Not to mention, chibaku tensei can be destroyed if you attack its core.

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#82 Posted by xMangog__Beastx (4802 posts) - - Show Bio

Deva Path can deflect or disperse Amaterasu like Nagato did in his fight against Bee, Itachi, and Naruto.

Preta Path can absorb the majority of Sasukes jutsus.

Nothing else needs to be said. If Sasuke has no intel on the paths he is not winning this fight.

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#83 Posted by WhatamIseeing (1787 posts) - - Show Bio

@ourmanuel: Pain was not hiding Nagato had to move Pain closer to his body to initiate CT. If he can outrun 6tailed naruto he is most definitely outrunning susanoo and getting the move off.

Realistically amaterasu should have no effect on pain, Pain cant feel pain so its useless, amaterasu has no effect on Raikage same thing would occur. Only because plot so Naruto and itachi could have their conversation did it effect nagato a dead body when it didnt effect others who were alive. Arrows can be dodged and redirected back at sasuke. The core can only be destroyed if sasuke can land a hit on it which he wont since his attacks will be reflected back on him. If sasuke shoots an arrow its coming right back at him to the face and hes dead.

CST auto kills sasuke whos enhanced susanoo couldnt survive a slam by juubito

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#84 Posted by ArtoriasAbyssWalker (667 posts) - - Show Bio

@whatamiseeing: Saying Sasuke has Zero ways of beating Deva Path is quite the opinion. Sasuke can shoot multiple Inferno style arrows. Deva Path has to wait 5 seconds before pulling off another one. Trust me, Sasuke can land a few attacks within that window. Not to mention that KN6 Naruto had physically pushed through ST. Something that Sasuke's Susano'o can most likely replicate.

Then there's Kirin. Which will indeed take out Deva path. Kirin will burst through ST like it's nothing. If KN6 can do it then so can Kirin. Considering that it took out a partially carved out mountain and Itachi still tanked it.

Susano'o > Kirin > Kn6 Naruto > Shinra Tensei.

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#85 Posted by BatmanPlusJay (5176 posts) - - Show Bio

@artoriasabysswalker: Nah, Six tails Naruto can definitely tank a Kirin. The thing ate its own TBB and tanked the explosion like it was a gust of wind.

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#86 Posted by xMangog__Beastx (4802 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre S06P Sasuke needed time to build up for Kirin though.

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#87 Posted by ArtoriasAbyssWalker (667 posts) - - Show Bio

@batmanplusjay: A mini TBB isnt as powerful as Kirin. KN4 TBB couldn't blast through Orochimaru's triple Roshomon walls. Kirin wiped out a mountain. On top of that, the TBB Naruto was charging up wasn't fully developed. It was still in the middle of gathering chakra before having a rock dropped on him. And the explosion was puny compared to the blast that Naruto did to Orochimaru.

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#88 Posted by BatmanPlusJay (5176 posts) - - Show Bio

@artoriasabysswalker: Kirin didn't even destroy the Uchiha hideout Sasuke and Itachi fought on. It never wiped out a mountain. And it still is noted that KN6 Naruto ate that mini TBB effortlessly, from the size it looked to do just as much if not more damage than Kirin iirc.

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#90 Edited by BatmanPlusJay (5176 posts) - - Show Bio

@artoriasabysswalker: Show scans. I don't remember if it did, but I do remember Sasuke using Kirin on itachi on that rooftop and Kirin did minimum damage. It broke some things and caused some fires but It did far from clearing a mountain. It didn't even destroy the Uchiha hideout.

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#91 Posted by Madscientist224 (1460 posts) - - Show Bio

Either way, Sasuke goes the way of the dodo bird here. He dies. Pain wins.

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#92 Posted by great_black_star (3367 posts) - - Show Bio

It could go either way. SM Naruto needed three Boss Summons and two sages in his back to even compete Pain. EVen then, it was kyuubi and Minato that save his ass at final moment. Not to mention, Pain that Naruto faced was already exhausted as it battle entire Konoha's shinobi and busted the village.

Even then Naruto has to use his Talk no Jutsu to make Nagato commit suicide.

But Sasuke has very good counter for Nagat's arsenel like amatersau, Kagetsuchi and Susanoo. Still Pain is extremely powerful even by beginning of war arc standard. I will give Nagato 5.1/10 majority.

After thinking for a while, Sasuke indeed takes majority.

Only path that can survive amaterasu onslaught is deva and maybe petra ( even though I have never seen amaterasu getting absorbed).

Petra will get destroyed by a blitz, Deva's 5 sec cooldown is his real downfall. Sasuke should win handily

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#94 Posted by BatmanPlusJay (5176 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star: Your down playing needs to be kicked back a few notches.

"Naruto needed 3 summons and the 2 toads to compete with pain and even then it took Hinata, minato and the kyuubi to save his ass in the end"

Completely disregarding the fact that Naruto beat 5/6 pains with sage mode alone. He speed blitzed one of them 2 times, used chief toad's mouth to take another one out, took one out with a rasenshuriken, then created a multi step plan to take out another 2 and tried to box the Deva path in. Kyuubi wasn't a factor until Pain already lost 5/6 of his manpower. Naruto was whooping his ass that whole fight.

The toads were only there to keep the summons off Naruto's back. Naruto didn't even talk no jutsu Pain, he wanted to kill him. Pain was the one who talked Naruto down with his whole backstory.

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#95 Posted by great_black_star (3367 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star: Your down playing needs to be kicked back a few notches.

"Naruto needed 3 summons and the 2 toads to compete with pain and even then it took Hinata, minato and the kyuubi to save his ass in the end"

Completely disregarding the fact that Naruto beat 5/6 pains with sage mode alone. He speed blitzed one of them 2 times, used chief toad's mouth to take another one out, took one out with a rasenshuriken, then created a multi step plan to take out another 2 and tried to box the Deva path in. Kyuubi wasn't a factor until Pain already lost 5/6 of his manpower. Naruto was whooping his ass that whole fight.

The toads were only there to keep the summons off Naruto's back. Naruto didn't even talk no jutsu Pain, he wanted to kill him. Pain was the one who talked Naruto down with his whole backstory.

I am really hoping that you have read the whole arc and watch the anime too.

Just give me an answer how will Naruto deal with cerberus summon without any help from boss summons and Pa and Ma?

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#96 Edited by SkySanji (6296 posts) - - Show Bio

Why doesn't Sasuke stomps here?

He should be on par with Kcm Naruto at the very least who is more powerful than Sage mode Naruto

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#97 Posted by ProbablyASphere (531 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke loses. His sharingan isn't going to outpace the rinnegan enough.

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#98 Posted by BatmanPlusJay (5176 posts) - - Show Bio

@great_black_star: Like I said, the summons were there to get pains summons off his back. You are mentioning all the times Naruto got help or assistance in that fight to downplay and discredit him when he really didn't need as much assistance as you claim and did a whole lot more on his own that you failed to mention. I could say the same shit that pain needed 5 other dead bodies with Rinnegan to help him fight against naruto. That downplaying shit can go both ways

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#99 Posted by JOVIOLMA (8083 posts) - - Show Bio

Could go either way, but likely Pain cuz of numerical advantage

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#100 Posted by xZone (10591 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke

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