•Ninja War arc EMS Sasuke
•TYBW arc Renji
•Starting distance: 40ft
•Location: Uchiha Hideout
•Win by K.O or DEATH
@tetsukage: mask de masculines super nova is more than city block it dwaft buildings and he tank it without a scratch. Not to mention scales above characters like ulqioria who is wayy above moutain
As for his speed he scales far above FKT captains who are low end 4 digit mach speeds. Mask de masculine blitzed 2 captains in base without much effort. Renji blizted mask de masculine in his second form which is 10x stronger so hes sub relativistic with lowball.
Lol sasuke is the one with no speed feats.
city block? even chad during HM had better feats than city block and you somehow equate it to a quincy capable of no selling two bankai captains that can 1 shot Chad before even using shikai or bankai to the same level wow.
Masculine beat Bankai Kensei with little diff, he then upgraded his punching strength by 10x and renji still effortlessly shrug it off he then used Volstandig which is a comparable power boost to a bankai only to have renji 1 shot him.
Shikai/Base Kensei was shown to be superior to Bankai Ichigo during the Vizard Training arc same goes for Rose and Lisa
before even starting SS arc ichigo getsuga against urahara during Training was already City block+, he then fought Ikkaku, Renji, Kenpachi and obtain a bankai/10x multiplier.
in his fight with Ikkaku his power increased
in his fight with Renji he went from being similar in power to Base Renji to completely one shotting him after renji used shikai
in his fight with Kenpachi, kenpachi easily sliced his zanpakuto, ichigo revived many times stronger, and then again to match eyepatch kenpachi, he then gained Bankai which is a 5-10x power boost.
after this fiasco he gained a Hollow Mask which is a 5-10x Power boost, and all of this is nothing but trash in front of Base Masculine and somehow you think is city block tier.
@precrisisbardock: This is soild on panel statements
Gins bankia is mach 500. He claps his hands and saids his basic bankia's speed is 500 times the speed of sound. Its called buto
Ichigo dodged it in regular bankia
Then has a fastee version of that called buto renji which is 2x faster than buto. So its mach 1000. Ichigo dodged it with his mask.
So masked ichigo is 4 digit mach. Their is like 6 other characters in that arc that can blitz and one shot masked ichigo. That's only FKT arc ichigo
Fast forward to TYBW arc all the Captains are alot stronger. Mask de masculine blitzed 2 captains in his base form with ease. Then renji comes in and blized masked de masculine while hes in his holy form.
So yeah renji should at least be 5 to 6 digit mach speeds
@undre: Is there any feats to corroborate that statement? Many people online say he was exaggerating and/or Ichigo predicted where it was going to be. Even so Sasuke can dodge characters faster than lightning to I'm really not seeing how he's dodging Amaterasu especially with zero knowledge and with Sasuke's precog. Not to mention Sasuke can put it on his weapons.
sasuke doesnt have precog
Renji can dodge amertratsu if the riakage can its not that fast
Raikage one of the fastest ninja ever.... and as soon as he tries to hit Sasuke he'll put it on his Susanoo and the Raikage couldn't even avoid that.
hes durable enough to tank it not only that he has precog
Hows he durable enough to tank it even Raikage had to cut his arm off, plus I dont see how that qualifies as precog.
I could see it going either way. If Sasuke gets into his full body Susanoo he would probably have the advantage, but while he isn't in Susanoo Renji would have the advantage. Sasuke has genjutsu and some level of pre cog with his sharingan, substitution justsu, and other things that can give him the advantage overall though. EMS Sasuke is also supposed to be relative to BM Naruto, so going by all of that, I think I might give Sasuke the advantage here.
I'll give Sasuke the edge here. Renji can outstat him without susanoo, but if Sasuke gets susanoo up he wins. So this depends on whether Renji can kill Sauce before he puts up susanoo. I give Sauce the advantage cuz he can abuse amateratsu and genjutsu until he gets susanoo up.
Only on comicvine do people think that EOS renji wouldn’t blitz EMS sasuke to kingdom come.
Oh and Amaterasu? Renji uses that shit to keep himself warm lol.
Yeah, it's like they either don't know or ignore the fact that even low-tier Captains are casual lightning timers (based on Tsukishima casually reacting to Candice lightning, the same Tsukishima that got killed by Pre-RG Shikai Byakuya), and Renji no-diffed a Sternritter that while in base stomped 2 Captains.
I mean, ok...
Renji stomped pretty much near All Might level physicaly character in close combat. If Sasuke doesn't shield himself with Susanoo he's dead. Speed wise it's better to say they around equal and leave it at that. Overall I give it to Sasuke tho, mainly because of ilusions, precog and projectiles. Sasuke has arsenal to keep Renji at the distance and slowly wear him down.
@skysanji: lol dued full body sussanoo isnt that durable. People like tusnade can break it. And in realty sasuke wont have time to put it up before renji blitzes him.
This is spite their are characters in FKT arc that scale above BM naruto like starrk,ulqiora ect. Renji would blizted them both
@alextheboss: 1. Renji scales higher
2. He has way better stats. Not to mention most of sasuke versatility is useless here.
3. It took mask 2 cheers to get from getting stomped by a captain to absolutely fodderizing 2 captains. He got 20 other similar power ups and then vollstandig on top of that still was fodder to renji.
EMS sasuke is not anywhere near impressive enough to say he doesn't get blitzed and one shot
@alextheboss: EMS sasuke scales above fodder like kage Im reality hes not much stronger than kage becasue tusnade could break full body sussanoo. renji scales above espada like ulqioria,starrk,grimmjow. All are multimoutian with lowball and wayy better stats.
Sasuke is barly a lightning timer at that point while renji is in the 5 digits with low ball
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