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#1 Edited by Gilateen (3446 posts) - - Show Bio

•Ninja War arc EMS Sasuke

•TYBW arc Renji

•In character

•Starting distance: 40ft

•Location: Uchiha Hideout

•In character

•Win by K.O or DEATH

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#3 Posted by ovy7 (2642 posts) - - Show Bio

Renji

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#4 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8726 posts) - - Show Bio

Feats for Renji

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#5 Edited by Tetsukage (1841 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke

Outside of hax characters like Gerard and Lille, and high tiers like Ichibe and up bleach characters are overrated.

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#6 Edited by LeoTheGreatest (4247 posts) - - Show Bio

Renji, mismatch.

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#7 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8726 posts) - - Show Bio
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#8 Posted by UltimateSage (1987 posts) - - Show Bio

EMS Sasuke stomps. Renji got no impressive feats or hax.

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#9 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: lol that's BS they have better stats than the whole verse

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#10 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio
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@precrisisbardock: low end sub relativistic. Causal sword swing can make a crator. No selled mask de masculines super nova. And can vaporized

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#11 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8726 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: Whats the relativistic feat and what protects him from Amaterasu or Genjutsu?

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#12 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock: Relitivistc is mach 100,000+ hes to fast to get hit with amertratsu even if sasuke does him with it his durability can tank it. Genjustu won't work beacuse he has spirit in him

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#13 Posted by NocTimereaper (86 posts) - - Show Bio

Renji should beat EMS Sasuke with mid-difficulty though they should have somewhat comparable stats. For this battle to really be determine more on who could outspeed the other throughout the fight.

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#14 Posted by Tetsukage (1841 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: So city block level and a not a single speed feat.

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#15 Posted by AbigorGodofWar (274 posts) - - Show Bio

Renji wins almost neg diff

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#16 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: mask de masculines super nova is more than city block it dwaft buildings and he tank it without a scratch. Not to mention scales above characters like ulqioria who is wayy above moutain

As for his speed he scales far above FKT captains who are low end 4 digit mach speeds. Mask de masculine blitzed 2 captains in base without much effort. Renji blizted mask de masculine in his second form which is 10x stronger so hes sub relativistic with lowball.

Lol sasuke is the one with no speed feats.

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#17 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: one more thing you don't see mommoshike blowing up countries his beast feat was probably moutain. Yet he scales above multi mountain busters. Same goes for renji

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#18 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8726 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: What’s the relativistic feat?

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#19 Edited by Raziel2014 (1247 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage said:

@undre: So city block level and a not a single speed feat.

city block? even chad during HM had better feats than city block and you somehow equate it to a quincy capable of no selling two bankai captains that can 1 shot Chad before even using shikai or bankai to the same level wow.

Masculine beat Bankai Kensei with little diff, he then upgraded his punching strength by 10x and renji still effortlessly shrug it off he then used Volstandig which is a comparable power boost to a bankai only to have renji 1 shot him.

Shikai/Base Kensei was shown to be superior to Bankai Ichigo during the Vizard Training arc same goes for Rose and Lisa

before even starting SS arc ichigo getsuga against urahara during Training was already City block+, he then fought Ikkaku, Renji, Kenpachi and obtain a bankai/10x multiplier.

in his fight with Ikkaku his power increased

in his fight with Renji he went from being similar in power to Base Renji to completely one shotting him after renji used shikai

in his fight with Kenpachi, kenpachi easily sliced his zanpakuto, ichigo revived many times stronger, and then again to match eyepatch kenpachi, he then gained Bankai which is a 5-10x power boost.

after this fiasco he gained a Hollow Mask which is a 5-10x Power boost, and all of this is nothing but trash in front of Base Masculine and somehow you think is city block tier.

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#20 Edited by ourmanuel (10472 posts) - - Show Bio

Cancer

Spite

Renji sneezes.

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#21 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock: lol i already told you he scales above characters who are already 4 digits machs MHS.

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#22 Edited by PreCrisisBardock (8726 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: Sasuke has faster than lightning feats even in this version, I need to see some 4 digit Mach feats if you expect me to believe he can move faster than Sasukes sharingan

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#23 Posted by Jeepeh (6119 posts) - - Show Bio
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#25 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock: This is soild on panel statements

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Gins bankia is mach 500. He claps his hands and saids his basic bankia's speed is 500 times the speed of sound. Its called buto

Ichigo dodged it in regular bankia

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Then has a fastee version of that called buto renji which is 2x faster than buto. So its mach 1000. Ichigo dodged it with his mask.

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So masked ichigo is 4 digit mach. Their is like 6 other characters in that arc that can blitz and one shot masked ichigo. That's only FKT arc ichigo

Fast forward to TYBW arc all the Captains are alot stronger. Mask de masculine blitzed 2 captains in his base form with ease. Then renji comes in and blized masked de masculine while hes in his holy form.

So yeah renji should at least be 5 to 6 digit mach speeds

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#26 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8726 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: Is there any feats to corroborate that statement? Many people online say he was exaggerating and/or Ichigo predicted where it was going to be. Even so Sasuke can dodge characters faster than lightning to I'm really not seeing how he's dodging Amaterasu especially with zero knowledge and with Sasuke's precog. Not to mention Sasuke can put it on his weapons.

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#27 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock: sasuke doesnt have precog. Renji can dodge amertratsu if the riakage can its not that fast and hes durable enough to tank it not only that he has precog

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#28 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@precrisisbardock: also i recommend you go watch that fight ichigo was dodging it point blank

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#29 Posted by PreCrisisBardock (8726 posts) - - Show Bio

sasuke doesnt have precog

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Renji can dodge amertratsu if the riakage can its not that fast

Raikage one of the fastest ninja ever.... and as soon as he tries to hit Sasuke he'll put it on his Susanoo and the Raikage couldn't even avoid that.

hes durable enough to tank it not only that he has precog

Hows he durable enough to tank it even Raikage had to cut his arm off, plus I dont see how that qualifies as precog.

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#31 Posted by weebbicboi (590 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke stomps

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#32 Posted by ourmanuel (10472 posts) - - Show Bio

Only on comicvine do people think that EOS renji wouldn’t blitz EMS sasuke to kingdom come.

Oh and Amaterasu? Renji uses that shit to keep himself warm lol.

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#33 Posted by Helloman (28486 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke wins.

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#34 Edited by AlexTheBoss (16928 posts) - - Show Bio

I could see it going either way. If Sasuke gets into his full body Susanoo he would probably have the advantage, but while he isn't in Susanoo Renji would have the advantage. Sasuke has genjutsu and some level of pre cog with his sharingan, substitution justsu, and other things that can give him the advantage overall though. EMS Sasuke is also supposed to be relative to BM Naruto, so going by all of that, I think I might give Sasuke the advantage here.

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#35 Posted by WorldofRuin6 (2575 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll give Sasuke the edge here. Renji can outstat him without susanoo, but if Sasuke gets susanoo up he wins. So this depends on whether Renji can kill Sauce before he puts up susanoo. I give Sauce the advantage cuz he can abuse amateratsu and genjutsu until he gets susanoo up.

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#36 Posted by Tetsukage (1841 posts) - - Show Bio

@raziel2014: you say all this stuff but the feats you posted are only Cityblock level and you didn't post any speed feats.

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#37 Posted by ovy7 (2642 posts) - - Show Bio

Only on comicvine do people think that EOS renji wouldn’t blitz EMS sasuke to kingdom come.

Oh and Amaterasu? Renji uses that shit to keep himself warm lol.

Yeah, it's like they either don't know or ignore the fact that even low-tier Captains are casual lightning timers (based on Tsukishima casually reacting to Candice lightning, the same Tsukishima that got killed by Pre-RG Shikai Byakuya), and Renji no-diffed a Sternritter that while in base stomped 2 Captains.

I mean, ok...

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#38 Posted by ourmanuel (10472 posts) - - Show Bio

Even with full body susanoo(which he only got with help from naruto), he still can’t touch renji

And this is assuming renji doesn’t have the Attack potency to shatter it.

All this is under the assumption that sasuke lasts that long.

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#39 Edited by SkySanji (4582 posts) - - Show Bio

Sasuke more times than not Renji only wins if he doesn't or can't put Susano'o up in time BUT Sasuke should be comparable to Bijuu Mode Naruto so I'll give him the majority

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#40 Posted by Gaoron (8216 posts) - - Show Bio

Renji stomped pretty much near All Might level physicaly character in close combat. If Sasuke doesn't shield himself with Susanoo he's dead. Speed wise it's better to say they around equal and leave it at that. Overall I give it to Sasuke tho, mainly because of ilusions, precog and projectiles. Sasuke has arsenal to keep Renji at the distance and slowly wear him down.

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#41 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1260 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: you give EMS sasuke the advantage over EOS renji? Sasuke would get fodderized by mask let alone renji

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#42 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@skysanji: lol dued full body sussanoo isnt that durable. People like tusnade can break it. And in realty sasuke wont have time to put it up before renji blitzes him.

This is spite their are characters in FKT arc that scale above BM naruto like starrk,ulqiora ect. Renji would blizted them both

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#43 Posted by FaradaySloth (8458 posts) - - Show Bio

Renji slaps

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#44 Posted by AlexTheBoss (16928 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: Both rely on scaling, and both should be around city-mountain level, but Sasuke just has more options and is smarter as well.

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#45 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1260 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: 1. Renji scales higher

2. He has way better stats. Not to mention most of sasuke versatility is useless here.

3. It took mask 2 cheers to get from getting stomped by a captain to absolutely fodderizing 2 captains. He got 20 other similar power ups and then vollstandig on top of that still was fodder to renji.

EMS sasuke is not anywhere near impressive enough to say he doesn't get blitzed and one shot

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#46 Edited by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@alextheboss: EMS sasuke scales above fodder like kage Im reality hes not much stronger than kage becasue tusnade could break full body sussanoo. renji scales above espada like ulqioria,starrk,grimmjow. All are multimoutian with lowball and wayy better stats.

Sasuke is barly a lightning timer at that point while renji is in the 5 digits with low ball

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#47 Posted by Tetsukage (1841 posts) - - Show Bio

@undre: Renji doesn't have a single feat on the level of Lanze, he's not scaling above Ulq.

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#48 Posted by Undre (2484 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: Mommoshiki scales above people like obito some would even say kaguya. Dispite not having a single feat on ETSB level or jubi bomb level

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#49 Posted by TheEmperor95 (1260 posts) - - Show Bio

@tetsukage: renji definitely scales far above ulquiorra. He would palm that Lanza as easy as ichigo did

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#50 Posted by Tetsukage (1841 posts) - - Show Bio

@theemperor95: @undre:

1.) Kaguya would beat Momoshiki, who had trouble with 50% Naruto and a weakend 1 arm Sasuke.

2.) show me a single feat from Renji showing he can palm the Lanza.