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#1 Posted by MrQuinzel (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Both are at the peak of his powers!

They are 20 meters away,they are in a street.

They can use all available resources,the fight ends by death or K.O!

Who wins? Why?

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#2 Posted by Omegafrost182 (14 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma Frost FTW!!!!!

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#3 Posted by whitequeen666 (19 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma because telepathically, she has taken other telepaths like exodus, Rachel grey or sinister before. Emma has created psychic bolts strong enough to physically damage enemies before so her telepathy has raw power and she has skill. Psylocke is quite a powerful telepath and has power and skill too, but Emma's diamond form is immune to telepathic assault. Then there's the matter of Psylocke's telekinesis. Psylocke is a strong telekinetic but Emma can go into diamond form and not take any damage whatsoever. Since Emma can switch in and out of diamond form at a hundredth of a second, she can switch from defense to offense super fast. Emma's diamond form also renders Psylocke's ninja sills useless.

If they were on the astral plane, Emma would simply out-skill Psylocke due to Psylocke not being able to use telekinesis on the astral plane. Emma couldn't use diamond form but Emma's a more skilled telepath. The only way that Psylocke could win is if she had the crimson dawn to enhance her powers. But if that happens and they are allowed to use something like that, Emma could put on cerebra. Either way, Emma wins.

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#4 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6010 posts) - - Show Bio

Besty wins, at her peak she is immune to Emmas telepathy and her tk (being Jeans old tk) was stronger than Rachels. She slaughters Emma. As far as an astral battle, Betsy was trained by a superior telepath in astral combat (Jean Grey) and held her own against her brother (Jamie) on the astral plane, she and Brian managed to defeat him there, considering Brian is not a telepath, this victory was mostly due to Besty being a telepath. I love how all of sudden Exodus not naming Besty in his line up of telepaths suddenly makes her weak, a telepath several times above him (Onslaught) said that he was hiding himself from the worlds most powerful telepaths in the Mansion and Betsy was among them, Emma was not present and was easily mind raped by the mere presence of Onslaught.

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#5 Edited by Diamondlifer1 (143 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma shes a bit more skilled than Psylocke

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#6 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4766 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans: Really? I always thought Emma was kinda...y'know...a bit out of Psylocke's league.

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#7 Posted by Dextersinister (8561 posts) - - Show Bio

Phoenix Emma wins.

If we are using not using outside enhancements then Emma wins being the more skilled telepath.

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#8 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (6010 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister said:

Phoenix Emma wins.

If we are using not using outside enhancements then Emma wins being the more skilled telepath.

Emmas skill at telepathy when it comes to certain things is above Betsy, but Betsy is skilled enough to fight off things like mind manipulations and blasts. Jean trained Betsy in astral combat that alone should give her an edge not to mention in such a battle Betsy is more skilled in combat in general and such a battle would mirror a physical one with astral plane reality warping included. Jamie had his powers in the astral plane against Betsy and she beat him, IIRC.

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#9 Posted by Dextersinister (8561 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister said:

Phoenix Emma wins.

If we are using not using outside enhancements then Emma wins being the more skilled telepath.

Emmas skill at telepathy when it comes to certain things is above Betsy, but Betsy is skilled enough to fight off things like mind manipulations and blasts. Jean trained Betsy in astral combat that alone should give her an edge not to mention in such a battle Betsy is more skilled in combat in general and such a battle would mirror a physical one with astral plane reality warping included. Jamie had his powers in the astral plane against Betsy and she beat him, IIRC.

Wolverine and Cap have trained countless heroes but that doesn't automatically make them there equal, some of crappier fighters have Wolverine or Cap training on their resume. I would also consider Emma more skilled than Jean, Jean just came across as having more raw power.

What happens in the astral plane can be what the user chooses, Emma turned herself into a giant and Xavier into a pack of playing cards but she sure as hell can't do that in the flesh.

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#10 Posted by dondave (41589 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma

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#11 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (6010 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister said:

@lordofallhumans said:

@dextersinister said:

Phoenix Emma wins.

If we are using not using outside enhancements then Emma wins being the more skilled telepath.

Emmas skill at telepathy when it comes to certain things is above Betsy, but Betsy is skilled enough to fight off things like mind manipulations and blasts. Jean trained Betsy in astral combat that alone should give her an edge not to mention in such a battle Betsy is more skilled in combat in general and such a battle would mirror a physical one with astral plane reality warping included. Jamie had his powers in the astral plane against Betsy and she beat him, IIRC.

Wolverine and Cap have trained countless heroes but that doesn't automatically make them there equal, some of crappier fighters have Wolverine or Cap training on their resume. I would also consider Emma more skilled than Jean, Jean just came across as having more raw power.

What happens in the astral plane can be what the user chooses, Emma turned herself into a giant and Xavier into a pack of playing cards but she sure as hell can't do that in the flesh.

Emma is in no way more skilled than Jean, as eveidenced by Rachel. Power has nothing to do with, Emma beat Rachel (more powerful than Emma) through skill, if Emma was more skilled, then Jean would not be her superior. Telepathic rank in Marvel is one part power one part skill, which is why Xavier was top dog over Jean, he was more skilled than her not more powerful. Jean has a mastery in astral combat that Emma can't touch, Jean has battled demons and ghosts and won, Emma went up against a demon and could do nothing, so in the field of astral combat I would give anybody that trained with Jean extensively the edge over those that have trained with Emma. The fact that Jean and Betsy can physically manifest telepathy without any special trick developed shows they have a level of skill than Emma does not. Emma is highly skilled but most of that skill is used on non-telepaths without prep, IMO Betsy can win and is in no way so outclassed that she stands no chance. Fact is Betsys telepathy is often overlooked in favor of her liking physical combat more, she was mind blasting Juggernaut long before Emma was regarded as such a powerful telepath.

Emma had prep to do that to Xavier.

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#12 Edited by Dextersinister (8561 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans: When Phoenix Jean used her power against Emma in was in no way described as skill it was described as force smashing away her defenses so regardless of how skilled either one was it wasn't a factor. Rachel doesn't come close to that level of power, she couldn't even effect Thor when Xavier could.

Your actually using demons as a example when they are far more varied in power than telepaths.

Prep is Irelevant to the matter, Emma assumed the form she wanted in the astral plane and it's silly to think that combat skill should matter, simply more training in telepathic use should easily trump it. If that where the case then wheelchair bound Xavier or the obese Shadow King would be a complete bums on the astral plane.

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#13 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (6010 posts) - - Show Bio

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@lordofallhumans: When Phoenix Jean used her power against Emma in was in no way described as skill it was described as force smashing away her defenses so regardless of how skilled either one was it wasn't a factor. Rachel doesn't come close to that level of power, she couldn't even effect Thor when Xavier could.

Your actually using demons as a example when they are far more varied in power than telepaths.

Prep is Irelevant to the matter, Emma assumed the form she wanted in the astral plane and it's silly to think that combat skill should matter, simply more training in telepathic use should easily trump it. If that where the case then wheelchair bound Xavier or the obese Shadow King would be a complete bums on the astral plane.

Jean was not using the Phoenix Force against Emma, read the story, Jean did not acually use the Phoenix force until she and Wolverine went into the sun.

Rachel is more powerful than Emma, and that really isn't debatable, Thor deflected a tangible psionic attack back at Rachel and IIRC when Emma actually tried to use telepathy on him it failed so I don't see the point you are trying to make. That and Xavier is leaps and bounds more skilled than Rachel.

Yes I am using demons, because Jean used skill to find the right psychic key to get into the minds of a horde of demons and Emma couldn't handle one.

Prep is relevant when you try to use a prep feat to make her seem so skilled, she could not have just done that to Xavier without prep or there would have been no talk about her using backdoors to sneak into his mind.

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#14 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6010 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordofallhumans: Really? I always thought Emma was kinda...y'know...a bit out of Psylocke's league.

I'll admit when it comes to all the fancy mind tricks Emma is up there, but when you actually compare them Besty was written to hardly use telepathy to do anything but create her knife, as a way to set her apart from all the other telepaths, she was basically made to be a female Wolverine after her body swap. Betsy is a very powerful telepath and at this point should be Emmas (when her powers are not messed with) equal in strength, pulling the telepathic wool over the eyes of unskilled telepaths and non-telepaths shouldn't automatically put her above Betsy, she too has been training in the use of her powers her entire life and was trained by telepaths more powerful and skilled than Emma (Xavier and Jean).

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#15 Posted by OrdinaryAlan (6584 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not one to bump threads unnecessarily, but I was thinking about starting this topic in the battle forum and then I found this one already made.

For the record, I'd give the win to Psylocke. I think she has more potential and raw power than Emma.

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#16 Posted by Don_Quixote (726 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma takes this.

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#17 Posted by sophia89 (19810 posts) - - Show Bio

ends in sex.

and we all win. :D d(^_^) :) B)

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#18 Posted by nova_prime76 (164 posts) - - Show Bio

Betsy...fairly easy. She can avoid being manipulated by Emma's tp so if it comes to an actual fight. Betsy is one of the top fighters in Marvel. Emma has no shot if she can't find a way to Psylocke's mind. Which she couldn't.

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#19 Edited by Squares (8661 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma Frost. Psylocke's a ninja and all, but Emma's diamond form would be uneffected by her psychic knife thingie. Emma can withstand any damage Psylocke would deal her and all it'd take is a few lucky shots to kill Psylocke.

Would we be assuming this is Emma with the Phoenix Force?

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#20 Posted by Hyperlight (7671 posts) - - Show Bio

emma is a much more skilled telepath but she isn't a telekinetic, however her diamond form would really help her out. im leaning towards emma

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#21 Edited by THUNDERBOLT30 (12406 posts) - - Show Bio

Betsy for a likely majority.

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#22 Posted by CaptainMarvelThunder (1120 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma Frost

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#23 Posted by Squall-Leon81 (90 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma curbstomp here. Psylocke is a street level, Emma is far more superior than her in everything.

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#24 Posted by God_Spawn (41425 posts) - - Show Bio

@squall-leon81: Psylocke is a street level in what?

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#25 Posted by Helloman (7960 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Emma wins.

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#27 Posted by TheDeathstroke (1076 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma

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#28 Posted by just_sayin (1301 posts) - - Show Bio

I always thought Emma was the better telepath.

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#29 Posted by comic_book_fan (8455 posts) - - Show Bio

emma

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#30 Posted by geekryan (288 posts) - - Show Bio

In a straight-up telepathic battle, Emma wins.

If it comes down to a physical fight, Psylocke would win. Emma's diamond form is tough, but Psylocke's psychic katana could probably cut through her.

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#31 Posted by Saren (27566 posts) - - Show Bio

In a physical fight, Emma turns into diamond and punches Betsy into a red paste.

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#32 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6010 posts) - - Show Bio

In a physical fight, Betsy is superior in skill, speed and agility. Emma would actually have to land a punch, add in tk and that would be next to impossible.

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#33 Posted by butterflykyss (5140 posts) - - Show Bio

psylocke hands down

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#34 Posted by TDK_1997 (17812 posts) - - Show Bio

In whatever manner you look at this battle the outcome will always be the same - Emma Frost will win.