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#1 Posted by sa5m (2381 posts) - - Show Bio
Emma Frost
Emma Frost

VS

 Black Canary
 Black Canary
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  • No Prep
  • No morals
  • Starting 15 feet away
  • Round 1:: Only Diamond forum for Emma
  • Round 2:: All powers allowed 
Who wins and why?
Please use logic and reasoning
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#2 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (12562 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 - Not sure. I think BC could win if her cry could shatter Emma's diamond form, considering that she does have a weak spot. If her scream can't achieve it, then I think Emma would likely win since I don't see a way for BC to hurt her, and Emma will eventually get to her.

Round 2 - Emma wins. Her TP bolts or assaults are faster than BC's canary cry.

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#3 Posted by Duchess (6168 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Unless Black Canary can somehow hit Emma's shatter point perfectly, Emma wins.

Round 2: Emma via mindrape.

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#4 Posted by EpitomeofCool (2806 posts) - - Show Bio

black canary..she wont have to find emmas weak spot, her cry can knock her unconscious or blast her away...in the 2nd one it can go either way.. tp blast/canary cry they both go down...

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#5 Posted by the_stegman (39838 posts) - - Show Bio

black canary..she wont have to find emmas weak spot, her cry can knock her unconscious or blast her away...in the 2nd one it can go either way.. tp blast/canary cry they both go down...

this although i'm leaning toward Emma for round two, i think she'll use her mental blasts before Canary can draw a breath for her cry
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#6 Posted by BlackDove (389 posts) - - Show Bio

@Duchess said:

Round 1: Unless Black Canary can somehow hit Emma's shatter point perfectly, Emma wins.

Round 2: Emma via mindrape.

Agreed.

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#7 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6615 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma does not have a shatter point, she does not turn into organic glass, it's organic diamond.  She wins both.

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#8 Posted by JediXMan (41999 posts) - - Show Bio
@LordOfAllHumans said:
Emma does not have a shatter point, she does not turn into organic glass, it's organic diamond.  She wins both.
She actually does have a weak spot. A man actually broke her nose while she was in diamond form. 
 
But that doesn't mean Black Canary can hurt her. Emma should win both roinds.
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#9 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6615 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
@LordOfAllHumans said:
Emma does not have a shatter point, she does not turn into organic glass, it's organic diamond.  She wins both.
She actually does have a weak spot. A man actually broke her nose while she was in diamond form.   But that doesn't mean Black Canary can hurt her. Emma should win both roinds.
no he broke her nose while she was flesh.
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#10 Posted by Mercy_ (94916 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordOfAllHumans said:

Emma does not have a shatter point, she does not turn into organic glass, it's organic diamond. She wins both.

She does have a weak spot.

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#11 Posted by JediXMan (41999 posts) - - Show Bio
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My mistake. I'm thinking of the wrong scene.
 
But she does have a weak spot.
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#12 Posted by Magian (150132 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

Emma does not have a shatter point, she does not turn into organic glass, it's organic diamond. She wins both.

She does have a weak spot.

Yeah, it was hinted that this weak spot is in her face.

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#13 Posted by EpitomeofCool (2806 posts) - - Show Bio

danger thought it was her forhead......

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...but canary wont need to exploit this to win..........
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#14 Posted by JediXMan (41999 posts) - - Show Bio
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I need confirmation. I think this scan is from Astonishing.
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#15 Posted by JediXMan (41999 posts) - - Show Bio
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Beat me to it -_-
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#16 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6615 posts) - - Show Bio

I know she has a weak spot, and it took at bullet made of the same material at the right spot to shatter her, Beast likened her to a puzzle, but she has been hit with stronger than sonic attacks all over and not shattered, Danger thought that but did Danger break her?  NO!!!

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#17 Posted by God_Spawn (42646 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan: Her arm just got sliced off in UXM 1, it took the power of a mini celestial to do it.

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#18 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6615 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn said:

@JediXMan: Her arm just got sliced off in UXM 1, it took the power of a mini celestial to do it.

thank you, Canary is not winning she can't hurt her at all in round one and in round two her (BC) mind gets broken in the least.
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#19 Posted by Mercy_ (94916 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan: That's Cassaday art, so yes, it's from Astonishing.

@EpitomeofCool said:

...but canary wont need to exploit this to win..........

How do you presume that Canary wins?

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#20 Posted by God_Spawn (42646 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress: He thinks it will KO her or BFR her =/

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#21 Posted by Mercy_ (94916 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: .........oh

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#22 Posted by EpitomeofCool (2806 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Dark Huntress:

How do you presume that Canary wins?

her cry can knock her unconscious or blast her away

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#23 Posted by gui22 (388 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1:Canary.

Round 2:Probably Emma,unless BC can fight telepaths.

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#24 Posted by EpitomeofCool (2806 posts) - - Show Bio

@gui22:

IIRC from martin manhunter she learned tp resistance from mental attacks....but imo its whoever strikes first in that round..

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#25 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6615 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait so her Canary cry can BFR people?  And this will be so far that Emma has no way of getting back to the battle?  How is she gonna render her unconscious?  using sonic powers to render people unconscious is based on inner ear and brain functions, Emma is completely diamond, her brain and body do not operated like a flesh and blood person in that form which is why she does not need to eat, drink, breath or sleep in that form, I don't see how that would work on her in this form. 
 
Round 1 - Emma 
Round 2 - Emma

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#26 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (6615 posts) - - Show Bio
@EpitomeofCool said:

@gui22:

IIRC from martin manhunter she learned tp resistance from mental attacks....but imo its whoever strikes first in that round..

All the X-men learn telepathic resistance too, it was even a class in Gen X, but that does not keep her from getting into their minds if she really wants to and psi attacks don't care about your ability to resist probes and mind control, you need shielding and usually only other psi talents have the kind of shields that can take the burnt of a psi bolt.
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#27 Posted by Duchess (6168 posts) - - Show Bio

Canary cry isn't gonna do anything to a diamond form that has taken hits from WW Hulk; Emma wins both rounds.

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#28 Posted by miker31 (46 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh please black Canary would the floor with Emma Frost! She can't miss with Black Canary if she can't concentrate and its been shown in comics and tv shows that diamonds are vunerable to sonic waves

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#29 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (6615 posts) - - Show Bio
@miker31 said:

Oh please black Canary would the floor with Emma Frost! She can't miss with Black Canary if she can't concentrate and its been shown in comics and tv shows that diamonds are vunerable to sonic waves

she is not made of diamond, it is called her diamond form because it mimics the characteristics of a diamond, it is quasi-organic like Colossus' is organic steel or Iceman organic ice, none of their forms would be able to take the kind of force they can take and not break or melt (especially ice and steel) if they were simply made of the substance itself.  Steel melts at about 2800 degrees Fahrenheit, but Colossus can withstand like 9000 degrees Fahrenheit, there is more to his power then being just regular steel, ice starts to melt at one degree above the freezing point, yet Iceman can fight Sunfire, more to his body then being just plain ice and the same stands for all those mutants with quasi-organic forms.
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#30 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5731 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma wins both, for already stated reasons. Emma's diamond form can take a canary cry, and she can screw up Canary's head before she even tries to do the Canary cry.

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#31 Posted by kiss_lamia (1284 posts) - - Show Bio

Im going with Emma for both rounds 1) dimond form will defend her from her cry and 2) Emma psi bolts will knock her down before she even thinks to scream.