Emiko Queen (CW) vs Agent Ward (MCU)

R1 - H2H

R2 - Standard Gear

Takes place in the BvS warehouse

As of now from what I remember, Ward stomps both rounds, but that's bound to change.

Love how Tony chooses that pic for Emiko...

Hm. Well, Ward has her beat in physicals. And while Emiko does move and fight a lot like Ollie, from what I can see she's just not on his level. She's more like...prime Thea, but with Oliver's style. For now, I'd say Ward both rounds, but she gives him a tough fight, particularly in that second round. She actually has the more diverse gear, and her accuracy is ridiculous, but it's already been shown she can be tagged with bullets, and someone like Ward would give her hell.

She's far stronger than him but in a fight she might lose.

Ward.

@amcu: What feat makes you say that?

Grant Ward both rounds.

Yes this. That's like DCEU Batman level strength right there.

@amcu: That feat is insane. That's Batman level at least or maybe even Cap level. It's going to be awkward if her and Oliver ever fight (not that it should be a fight).

What are people on thinking that's Batman, of freaking Cap level strength?

Ward wrecks her both rounds

That's better than Batman level strength...but Captain America level???

Its not even close to Cap level. He chucks 500 lbs motorcycles 30 feet hard enough to stop jeeps with ease. This is a Batman level feat though and pretty extraordinary for a peak human.

I imagine Oliver might be portrayed to do something like that. His own ragdolling feats aren't quite there from what I remember but he still has some very good ones. I think it would be interesting to see her and Oliver fight in the future though it might be better to see them fight together.

@amcu: Agreed. Tired of having them always dumb down Oliver on the show or having the new character fight him to show how good they are. Hopefully they'll never have to fight each other.

Don't know if there is some context I'm forgetting but I found this feat on YouTube where she fights Diaz on relatively even terms.

Emiko can take this. but she needs more feats

@amcu: Diaz was shot near the spine before the fight began. I think Emiko would likely be high tier(comparable to Oliver), but this feat probably shouldn't be used to scale her. As I said, Diaz was injured to the point even Dig was matching him.

Diaz was winning against Diggle in that fight until Emiko showed up. Also did the bullet bother Diaz? He was super human at the time and a bullet to the spine would probably paralyze a normal person. So how much damage did it really cause him?

That's better than Batman level strength. But if the writers wanted her to be that ludicrously strong in combat sequences, it would be reflected in her feats against fodder - she'd be one-arming guys like 50 feet away, casually. My guess is that they had her throw the guy like that without considering the implications of the feat, they just wanted a cool effect for the scene. But there's no way to know unless she shows her physicals in the future.

Ward stomps

@drago666:

Diaz was winning against Diggle in that fight until Emiko showed up. Also did the bullet bother Diaz? He was super human at the time and a bullet to the spine would probably paralyze a normal person. So how much damage did it really cause him?

They made a point of showing Diaz getting injured before both the times Dig faced him. In the first fight, Diaz was stabbed with a knife to his shoulder and in the second one, he was shot in the back. I don't think this is a coincidence. They wanted Diaz to be restricted in some way so that Dig matching him could be explained.

But this feat does imply that Emiko is at the very least, a better combatant than Dig.

@amcu:

I imagine Oliver might be portrayed to do something like that. His own ragdolling feats aren't quite there from what I remember but he still has some very good ones. I think it would be interesting to see her and Oliver fight in the future though it might be better to see them fight together.

Oliver has a couple ragdolling feats on par with this.

His best ragdolling feat is probably kicking Kovar into a chained door which snapped on impact. That's a lot better than Emiko's feat, IMO.

Okay thanks for the info. Still pretty impressive that she's Diggle level. IIRC he has some decent fodder feats. Not sure how highly you rate him though.

@rbt: Yeah that is pretty insane. Don't know why I don't see feats like that mentioned more often for Oliver.

@amcu:

Okay thanks for the info. Still pretty impressive that she's Diggle level. IIRC he has some decent fodder feats. Not sure how highly you rate him though.

Dig is the hardest combatant in CW for me to rate. I used to rate him around S1 Oliver level because of Thea-Merlyn-Andy scaling, but rewatching the fights, I'm not too sure anymore. He has some decent fodder feats, but nothing that wouldput him above Agents for sure. The only combatants he is confirmed to be better than are also not very impressive(Siren and hence Dinah). However, I see that changing in a few weeks since they just teased an upcoming Dinah vs Rene fight where Dinah apparently dominates. And being better than Rene is impressive.

I'd back Dig in Dig vs Ward, h2h, but because of Dig's stats, not skill. Dig has all around better stats than Ward. Emiko lacks that. She is stronger than Ward and may hit harder but her durability feats are next to nonexistent. You can't go in a fight with a tank like Ward without having the ability to soak up some hits. She needs more showings.

Mostly because of the characters he is usually pitted against. He is mostly pitted against agents, Matt and Cap. In agent and Matt's case, both sides usually agree that Oliver has better stats and in Cap's case, again, both side agrees that Cap does. So, Oliver's stats never really gets discussed that much. But considering how Sara and now Emiko has better strength feats than Ward, it just goes to show how wide the gap is between Oliver and Ward.

I think Watchmen Ozy is the best opponent for Oliver's stats to be compared to. They are extremely close in strength and striking, IMO.

@rbt: That all seems true. Thanks!

Emiko might me stronger than Ward, but Ward stomps both rounds as of now.

Bump after last night's new skill & archery feats.

Ward.

Ward can take this.

As I said, let's wait for some durability feats for Emiko. She is stronger, faster and more skilled, but I'd be more confident backing her if she had some durability feats to back her.

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