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Thor is bloodlusted and has all feats from the show. JL are in character, Supes is post-JL. Battle takes place in evacuated city.

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I'm pretty sure Thor stomps. Am I missing something?

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Can go both ways.

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This Video clearly shows who will win.

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Feats for EMH Thor?

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EMH Thor one-shots the whole gang with lightning

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Thor one shots them all with this

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@thewatcherking:

Thor using his godblast is as likely as Superman taking Diana's sword and blitzing Thor's arms off with it. It is rarely his first move.

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@bladeoffury: except Superman can’t blitz this Thor lol. Thor one shots all of them.

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@ecoblitz:

So Superman can move so fast that bullet-timers appear frozen, but he can't blitz Thor?

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@ecoblitz:

Thor can take him down if he lands a hit. Which he won't before Superman blitzes and one-shots Thor with the sword.

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#14  Edited By TheWatcherKing

@bladeoffury said:

@thewatcherking:

Thor using his godblast is as likely as Superman taking Diana's sword and blitzing Thor's arms off with it. It is rarely his first move.

Thor is bloodlusted and has all feats from the show.

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@bladeoffury: No, this is EMH Thor, DCEU Superman CANNOT BLITZ HIM. Thor one shots all of them. It’s be worse if it was AA Thor.

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@thewatcherking:

Even bloodlusted Thor's first move isn't always the godblast. An example is when he was under the Purple Man's control. He did not use the godblast. He also had didn't have to hold back against Abomination, Absorbing Man, and a dozen other villains I don't remember, and he still didn't use the blast. It was never, ever his first move.

And Superman can still incapacitate Thor with the sword by cutting off his wrists.

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@ecoblitz:

I'm aware that this is EMH Thor, but you haven't really provided any speed feats for him that would prevent Superman from blitzing him, other than just SAYING IT WITH CAPITAL LETTERS.

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#20  Edited By TheWatcherKing

@bladeoffury:

An example is when he was under the Purple Man's control. He did not use the godblast.

That doesn't mean it's totally out of character for him to use while bloodlusted,it's clear plot was holding him back because if he did do it the heroes would have all died.

He also had didn't have to hold back against Abomination, Absorbing Man, and a dozen other villains I don't remember, and he still didn't use the blast.

He didn't have his hammer in that fight, and was not bloodlusted.

And Superman can still incapacitate Thor with the sword by cutting off his wrists.

Stop it, your example is pitifully bad because Superman along with the league, is in character. Thor however is not.

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Thor Mega Stomps these weaklings and sends Wonder Gadot back to the kitchen where she belongs

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This is a missmatch in favor of Thor, he was insanely powerful in that show.

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It says a lot when the only one backing up the team needs to use a double standard to support his claim.

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#24  Edited By Laiks Stake

EMH Thor godstomps.

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EMH Thor oneshots the DCEU. AA thor would be so much worse

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@_kingoflatveria:

I actually remember EMH Thor being more powerful, feats for AA Thor?

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@thewatcherking:

Alright, let's take a close look at the godblast.

I will first defend my point of it not being Thor's first move.

Even in the very instance that Thor performed the feat, he had an entire battle with Graviton prior to it. After realizing that his regular hammer strikes aren't working, he turned to his lightning, but still not the godblast. He didn't have to worry about collateral damage, as they were separated from the civilans with no other heroes close. He didn't have to worry about Graviton dying because he just no-sold all of Thor's other attacks. Yet, he still didn't use it for an entire episode.

Maybe here, where Thor shouldn't have been holding back for any reason in the fight against Rulk? Nope.

I guess you can still argue that Thor wasn't bloodlusted there, but not here, where Thor was mind-controlled by Purple Man to kill the opposition. Still no godblast. You can say that it's PIS because he would have killed by the Avengers, but if we take PIS out of the equation, Superman will simply incapacitate Thor with Diana's sword. Yes, Superman is in character, but that didn't stop him from doing this and this. Keep in mind, he killed those guys in character, and he doesn't have to do the same against Thor.

Next, even if Thor does use the godblast, it will not guarantee victory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyM7LsOXQDk&t=5m56s

For one, it took Thor several seconds to summon the blast. Barry and Clark can easily clear the league out of there in that time.

Also, Clark can definitely tank it. The size of the blast is hard to gauge, as it appeared huge compared to the city, but then the crater was miniature, and the numerous buildings were unscathed. It shouldn't be more powerful than the nuke that Superman survived, in an arguably weakened state. I really don't want to lowball Thor, but if we follow the size of the crater and lack of collateral damage, it can be said that only a small part of the blast did significant damage. In that case, even Wonder Woman can take it with her shield and bracelets.

So, even if Thor's first move is the god-blast (which is unlikely), even if Flash and Superman cannot scatter the league in the time it takes Thor to summon it (which is extremely unlikely), Superman and Diana should still be able to take the blast (not sure about Diana), and those two should be enough to make this fight go either way.

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@bladeoffury: only Diana has a slim chance of even hurting Thor lol.

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@sophisticated_ignorance:

  • Sent Hulk from the moon to Earth with Mjolnir, accidentally giving him amnesia
  • The shockwaves from his punches cause city-busting tidal waves
  • Regularly wrestles Hulk, who can pull tectonic plates and lift NYC above his head
  • Tanked a punch from IG Thanos that sent him into the moon, creating a country-sized crater
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also this may be an outlier but Thor was able to make a storm this large

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@_kingoflatveria:

Yes, without the sword, I wouldn't be able to make a solid case for the team, though I'd still try.

I do think that Superman can still harm Thor. He was K.O.ed by the blast from Kang's ship even though he countered it with Mjolnir.

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Stalemate or team.

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@_kingoflatveria:

Yes, without the sword, I wouldn't be able to make a solid case for the team, though I'd still try.

I do think that Superman can still harm Thor. He was K.O.ed by the blast from Kang's ship even though he countered it with Mjolnir.

he went battering into Kang's force field.

Thor tanked 500 tonne vision falling from space and landing him into a cave. Tanked several hits from a being made of Uru, Hulk, and an amped Abomniation

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#36  Edited By TheWatcherKing

@bladeoffuryo:

Even in the very instance that Thor performed the feat, he had an entire battle with Graviton prior to it.

He wasn't bloodlusted in that fight either, earlier he was telling Graviton that he should stay down, something that he wouldn't have done if he was bloodlusted.

After realizing that his regular hammer strikes aren't working, he turned to his lightning, but still not the godblast. He didn't have to worry about collateral damage, as they were separated from the civilans with no other heroes close. He didn't have to worry about Graviton dying because he just no-sold all of Thor's other attacks. Yet, he still didn't use it for an entire episode.

Again, not bloodlusted. But even his regular lightning is capable of bringing heralds of galactus to their knees, so Thor even if he didn't use the same move that he used against Graviton he can still win easily.

Maybe here, where Thor shouldn't have been holding back for any reason in the fight against Rulk? Nope.

Again he wasn't bloodlusted, the only possible time you can say he may have been bloodlusted was when he was controlled by Purple man. It's possible that he was simply without his morals, and not straight up bloodlusted too in his fight with vision,ms.marvel, and hawkeye.

but not here, where Thor was mind-controlled by Purple Man to kill the opposition. Still no godblast. You can say that it's PIS because he would have killed by the Avengers

Glad that you admit that was due to plot.

Superman will simply incapacitate Thor with Diana's sword

That's stupid because he has NEVER done that, not once. He cried after killing Zod, and now he is in character with the league and you are going to suggest he will do something he never has done to begin with?

r, but that didn't stop him from doing this

He did that after a long battle, and even then he was begging Zod not to make him do it, you may say that is double standards but it isn't. In character Thor wouldn't use what he did against Graviton right off the bat, but bloodlusted he sure would.

and this.

The guy was confirmed to have survived, so what is your point?

For one, it took Thor several seconds to summon the blast. Barry and Clark can easily clear the league out of there in that time.

No they can't, Flash hasn't shown he can easily carry someone with him away from an attack of that size, and if he doesn't do it before Thor fires then he will get roasted.

Also, Clark can definitely tank it. The size of the blast is hard to gauge, as it appeared huge compared to the city, but then the crater was miniature, and the numerous buildings were unscathed.

The crater wasn't small, and no buildings were unscathed that were caught in the blast.

It shouldn't be more powerful than the nuke that Superman survived, in an arguably weakened state.

The fact is that in space he wouldn't have to deal with the force of the nuke, only the energy and heat of one which does not guarantee he can take that blast.And how good is Superman's resistance to electricity again?

. I really don't want to lowball Thor

Too late, the guy has brought Heralds to their knees and even GALACTUS himself but Superman can tank his attacks?

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He doesn't even need to make a godblast tbh, he could spam lightning strikes(something the League can't react to) and kill them all with it.

In that case, even Wonder Woman can take it with her shield and bracelets.

Are you crazy? She has never taken something half as powerful as Thor's blast.

And you keep bringing up Diana's sword but what feats does it have to suggest it can pierce Thor? It's best feat is cutting Doomsday who is way less durable than Thor is.

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@bladeoffury: @_kingoflatveria, I don't think, it's an outlier. When he knocked back Kang's blast, he created a shockwave almost that big (IIRC), when fighting the Skrulls he took out dozens of satellites all over the world in seconds, when fighting the Kree he created a storm blocking out the sky in the entire area.

On topic: Going all out Thor slaugtered and entire Kree army (including several Kree sentinels with one-hits!) and brought Galactus to his knees with lightning. I could list more feats, but that's all needed to end this fight. Moreover he has the durability-feats to take anything Superman can throw at him, so the speed advantage is irrelevant. Thor doesn't need to hit anyone physically. Kree-Sentinel-destroying lightningbolts should take care of all of them.

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Notice how in both those feats (Kang and Vision's), Thor used his own power to counter it. He wasn't just hit. Nevertheless, they are very impressive.

From what I remember, Abomination wasn't amped when he fought Thor, and only amped himself in his fight with Hulk. I may be wrong though. Regardless, Superman should be able to replicate Hulk and Abomination's showings against Thor to some degree.

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As seen above, an angered Red Hulk seriously struggled to lift the Statue of Liberty which weighs 225 tons, let's say it's 250. The same Red Hulk proved to be stronger than Hulk in "Deadliest Man Alive." The same Hulk that soloed the Avengers (including Thor) several times. As you know, resurrected Superman easily lifted and carried a 7500 ton building. That's 30 times as much weight... just saying.

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@bladeoffury:

From what I remember, Abomination wasn't amped when he fought Thor, and only amped himself in his fight with Hulk. I may be wrong though. Regardless, Superman should be able to replicate Hulk and Abomination's showings against Thor to some degree.

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He was surrounded in Gamma gas and wearing the green pin things he was def amped

As seen above, an angered Red Hulk seriously struggled to lift the Statue of Liberty which weighs 225 tons, let's say it's 250. The same Red Hulk proved to be stronger than Hulk in "Deadliest Man Alive." The same Hulk that soloed the Avengers (including Thor) several times. As you know, resurrected Superman easily lifted and carried a 7500 ton building. That's 30 times as much weight... just saying.

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This is what Thor did to that Rulk. Also Thor held back in his fights with Hulk and even then held his own

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Thor stomps with ease.

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He was surrounded in Gamma gas and wearing the green pin things he was def amped

Bruh, what is the point of posting a picture from his fight with Hulk? Here is how it happened:

  • Regular Abomination started beating on a hammerless Thor for the Leader's entertainment
  • Thor was then able to summon Mjolnir, only to realize that the Leader let him do it so that Absorbing Man can copy the hammer's properties. He did.
  • Regular Abomination and Uru Absorbing Man beat up Thor together, until Absorbing Man tackled him off the building to the ground, where they engage in a 1v1 fight.
  • Meanwhile, Hulk and Hawkeye arrive. Clint fights the Leader, while Hulk fights Abomination. After Hulk proves superior, Abomination amps himself by pressing on the gamma pin thing, and then gains the upper hand on Hulk.
  • Hawkeye arrives just in time to depower Abomination to his regular form with the arrows Banner designed, letting Hulk punch him out of the city.
  • At the same time, Thor lets Absorbing Man beat him up, in order to capture control of the Uru. He sends Absorbing Man flying into the Leader's robot, breaking it.

At no point in time did Thor fight an amped Abomination. You can see for yourself here.

The gamma gas already covered the entire city. Individuals like Abomination, Hulk, and Dr. Sampson were unaffected as they were already amped by gamma radiation. The gamma pis things are useless if they aren't used, as evident by the Wrecking Crew not being amped until they used it in the previous episode.

This is what Thor did to that Rulk.

Thor basically BFRed him, which he managed to do because Rulk made the mistake of leaving himself exposed while trying to lift the Statue of Liberty. Hulk, Rulk, and Thor were always close in strength. I'd put it like this: Rulk > Hulk > Thor

Also Thor held back in his fights with Hulk and even then held his own

Of course Thor would be able to hold his own against Hulk, but Hulk still won every fight in the end. Yes, Thor was always holding back to some degree, which is why I put those two on par overall.

The building feat is more impressive than most of Hulk's feats, and Hulk is most definitely able to inflict harm on Thor.

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Thor was fully willing to kill the Avengers, as quickly as possible. If that's not bloodlusted, I don't know what is.

Here is your counter for Superman blitzing Thor with Diana's sword:

That's stupid because he has NEVER done that, not once.

Thor has NEVER used the godblast right off the bat, not once. You will answer that Thor was barely ever bloodlusted, but I will answer that the Justice League never faced anyone as powerful as Thor, in which case this is probably their only chance.

Even if that guy survived (which is seemingly impossible but whatever), he must have been hospitalized for sure. So, if Superman is willing to hospitalize a human when he really didn't have to, why wouldn't he be willing to hospitalize a mad Asgardian god who will kill him, all his friends, and cause a ton of collateral damage?

No they can't, Flash hasn't shown he can easily carry someone with him away from an attack of that size, and if he doesn't do it before Thor fires then he will get roasted.

  1. Flash had no problem pushing a car at super-speed.
  2. Flash proved to be as fast as Superman's travel speed, which allows Clark to reach space in seconds. He can easily evacuate everyone.
  3. Superman can do it by himself. He can take Wonder Woman and Aquaman, who take Batman and Cyborg, while Flash just gets himself out of the way.

Are you crazy? She has never taken something half as powerful as Thor's blast.

This is under the circumstance that the damaging part of Thor's blast was as big as the crater was, which wasn't large at all.

And you keep bringing up Diana's sword but what feats does it have to suggest it can pierce Thor? It's best feat is cutting Doomsday who is way less durable than Thor is.

How is DD less durable than Thor? I am not a scientist, but a nuke should still have a similar impact if it hits the target at point blank, regardless if there is an atmosphere or not. I would put the nuke above Vision's drop, which is Thor's best durability feat.

But even his regular lightning is capable of bringing heralds of galactus to their knees, so Thor even if he didn't use the same move that he used against Graviton he can still win easily.

guy has brought Heralds to their knees and even GALACTUS himself but Superman can tank his attacks?

Thor indeed can win with his physicals and regular lightning, but not easily. Galactus and his heralds were kind of featless, as they appeared in one episode. Captain Marvel was also able to stagger Galactus.

Diana's shield and bracelets will allow her to block Thor's regular lightning, and Superman should be able to tank even by consistent showings.

Also, I do believe that it is possible to dodge Thor's lightning:

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@bladeoffury:

Thor was fully willing to kill the Avengers, as quickly as possible. If that's not bloodlusted, I don't know what is.

During the incident with the Purple Man?If so you already admitted it was due to plot induced stupidity,although Thor could have destroyed the Jet(that had Ms.Marvel and Hawkeye)but didn't so I would definitely not that is proof that he was bloodlusted.

Thor has NEVER used the godblast right off the bat, not once.

And Thor has NEVER been bloodlusted, with the exception of possibly the instance with purple man. Regardless you're saying Superman will do something he has never actually done, to counter something Thor actually has shown himself doing. Does that make sense to you?

You will answer that Thor was barely ever bloodlusted, but I will answer that the Justice League never faced anyone as powerful as Thor, in which case this is probably their only chance.

And? They won't even know how powerful he is until they start fighting him, and by then it would be too late for them to pull out of character tactics that they would realistically never do.

Even if that guy survived (which is seemingly impossible but whatever)

He did, and 99% of all things that fictional characters do is "impossible".

So, if Superman is willing to hospitalize a human when he really didn't have to, why wouldn't he be willing to hospitalize a mad Asgardian god who will kill him, all his friends, and cause a ton of collateral damage?

He first of all will not know his true power right from the start, but he can try to hospitize Thor all he wants but he will fail miserably. Your plan doesn't have Superman trying to hospitize Thor, it has him actively trying to kill him.

Flash had no problem pushing a car at super-speed.

I mean, I or any person really, can push a car when the brakes aren't on. Pushing a car isn't as hard as carrying someone and running at top speed.

Flash proved to be as fast as Superman's travel speed, which allows Clark to reach space in seconds. He can easily evacuate everyone.

Is that why Superman called him slow? And for the record, Thor can do that too. That said Superman does that while flying in a straight line up, which isn't the same as what flash would have to do as he would have to run around buildings and navigate, while carrying someone according to you, and this is all forgetting about the fact that Flash has a habit of falling all the time.

Superman can do it by himself. He can take Wonder Woman and Aquaman, who take Batman and Cyborg, while Flash just gets himself out of the way.

Then they all get struck by Thor's bolts of lightning or godblast. If he is carrying them he can't move anywhere near top speed, as they (the people he is carrying)won't be able hold on, so if he is going to try to save them he has to hold back his speed, allowing for Thor to godblast them. Or just use his regular bolts of lightning which should be enough.

This is under the circumstance that the damaging part of Thor's blast was as big as the crater was, which wasn't large at all.

It was large.

Captain Marvel was also able to stagger Galactus.

Iron Man once stated Captain Marvel was as tough as Thor and almost as strong as the Hulk, I don't see why this is a bad thing, if anything it makes Thor staggering Galactus more consistent.

How is DD less durable than Thor? I am not a scientist, but a nuke should still have a similar impact if it hits the target at point blank, regardless if there is an atmosphere or not. I would put the nuke above Vision's drop, which is Thor's best durability feat.

In space there would be no shockwave, so he only would be dealing with the energy/heat and the radiation of a nuke, and yet Superman was reduced to a skeleton. Meanwhile Thor wasn't damaged at all.

Diana's shield and bracelets will allow her to block Thor's regular lightning, and Superman should be able to tank even by consistent showings.

Nothing you shown suggests either of that, and I am still waiting on those feats for Superman resisting electricity.

Also, I do believe that it is possible to dodge Thor's lightning:

That is a feat for Loki, not an anti feat for Thor.

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#44  Edited By TheWatcherKing

@bladeoffury: If it's not to late I would rather just debate Thor vs Superman here, instead of having a CaV over it.

Edit: but if you prefer to CaV it I will.

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#45  Edited By BladeOfFury

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Sure, I prefer not to CaV it either, takes too much time. I just want to go through with the debate. Just one thing, can we assume Superman is also bloodlusted?

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@bladeoffury: sorry forgot about this thread lol

At no point in time did Thor fight an amped Abomination. You can see for yourself here.

but the pin was literally on it was green & he was surrounded in Gamma gas. Why would he not be amped?

The building feat is more impressive than most of Hulk's feats,

The building feat has nothing on Hulk powering through Graviton's err gravity throwing a satellite into space or punching Abomb to the other side of the desert

and Thor is stronger than the entire DCEU combined

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like I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how anyone except Diana can even harm him

also here's Thor using lightning the size of Asgard in character

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@thewatcherking:

Sure, I prefer not to CaV it either, takes too much time. I just want to go through with the debate. Just one thing, can we assume Superman is also bloodlusted?

Yes.

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Thor godstomps

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@_kingoflatveria:

but the pin was literally on it was green & he was surrounded in Gamma gas. Why would he not be amped?

The pin is always on him, and it's always green. However, it is only when he presses it when he becomes amped. The only time he pressed it in the episode was at 18:12, after Hulk was beating him. It made him much larger in size, and Hulk was immediately wrecked. Then Hawkeye shot him with a special arrow to turn him back into normal form, allowing Hulk to punch him out of the city.

The Gamma gas wasn't coming from Abomination, it was covering the entire city and especially Leader's machine.

The building feat has nothing on Hulk powering through Graviton's err gravity throwing a satellite into space or punching Abomb to the other side of the desert

and Thor is stronger than the entire DCEU combined

The first two feats are kinda outliers. Graviton was stated to be as powerful as a black hole, EMH characters don't operate on such level. The satellite also seems like one, considering that Hulk and Rulk struggled to lift way lighter objects, such as statues, boats, and quinjets. If you don't consider them to be struggling, then surely, you wouldn't consider Clark to be struggling in any of his post-MoS feats either, meaning that there is no contradiction to his tectonic feat or Bruce's statement about him being stronger than a planet... I am not saying he is, but you have to treat both sides equally.

Hulk punching Abomb is impressive, but Superman punched Doomsday a farther distance in space. I also don't know about Thor throwing the bomb, yes, the distance is huge, but the bomb is about 150 000 times lighter than the building... I would need some calc to be sure.

like I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how anyone except Diana can even harm him

Superman can definitely hurt him with his punches, and enough of them would eventually put Thor down. Thor's most impressive durability feats include tanking a building falling on him, tanking Vision's 500 ton spike from space, and only being K.O.ed by a city-busting blast. In the last two feats however, Thor used his own power against the attacks, preventing them from being pure durability feats. Superman (in an arguably weakened state) surviving a nuke (that is arguably one of his weaknesses) is on the same level.

also here's Thor using lightning the size of Asgard in character

Well, that wasn't exactly his first move. Before that, he had a long fight which included clashing, building toppling, and threatening. Not that it matters, since Thor is bloodlusted. I'm fine with assuming that the Godblast is his first move, but he won't be able to summon it before Superman blitzes him. After realizing that Thor's durability is pretty impressive, Superman can simply snap his neck...

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@thewatcherking:

Alright. Agree or disagree:

  • Thor cannot tag Clark with his regular hammer attacks and throws (at least, not any time soon)
  • The Godblast will be Thor's first move
  • Superman can hit Thor hundreds of times before Thor conjures the blast
  • Superman can get out of the way a moment before Thor unleashes the lightning
  • Superman can dodge Thor's lightning after it is released
  • Superman can snap Thor's neck