Juubito and Juudara stomps. They replicates what Nimaya did to the Elites, but instead of cutting them...they get completely erased from the existence.
Elites win. Both Naruto and One Piece teams have no answer for X-axis. I can't imagine if Askin get immuned to Naruto/OP or Pernida get evolved by absorbing all informations from the other teams
@requiemcross: Lille's X-axis doesn't shoot projectile. It's basically nothing. How can you block or even sense something that doesn't even exist? Juudara have been proved that he can't hit intangibility things which explains why he failed to touch Obito.
@requiemcross: Lille's X-axis doesn't shoot projectile. It's basically nothing. How can you block or even sense something that doesn't even exist?
If its nothing then how will it put a hole on both Obito and Madara?
Juudara have been proved that he can't hit intangibility things which explains why he failed to touch Obito.
That's a feat for Obito's MS because unlike his Limbo, you need to have an access to his MS in order to reach that dimension. A condition that Lille's intangibility does not have.
@requiemcross: if lillie tried to block sakura from punching yhwach with his body she would pass straight through. They have different types of intangibility. That's like saying that OP users can touch limbo with haki
@requiemcross: if lillie tried to block sakura from punching yhwach with his body she would pass straight through. They have different types of intangibility. That's like saying that OP users can touch limbo with haki
Depends on the condition of OP. Remember that even Madara's Limbo requires the Six path's chakra in order to see, feel and harm them. OP needs to consider this specific requirements.
So abilities that could harm intangible beings needs to satisfy first the requirements presented by kishimoto for it to be effective against madara's Limbo. Similar case could also be said about obito's kamui.
By feats, Madara's Limbo is an intangible clone that could attack and block attacks against Madara.
Source: Naruto ch 674 p4-7. Naruto ch 675 p6,8 and 11.
@requiemcross: Well that's basically the property of X-axis. Lille himself stated in the manga. Juudara can't hit intangible things and that's that on that. No matter how hard you try to deny it, the manga has proven that Madara can't hit intangible things
@requiemcross: well if you want to get technical bleach characters themselves already exist in a form of limbo. They can't be interacted with by normal people and can even phase through objects. This means they should already be able to see and interact with limbo since they are already in the same realm and lillie is still intangible to them. He required reality warping attacks to even touch him or his own powers which negate intangibility altogether
@westwood_trevor: I agree that Madara would beat them eventually but here are some of my thought.
So your Banking on Madara and Juubito being able to blitz both gerard and Lilie before they activate their powers while at the same time expecting Madara to use powers he rarely uses as his first move?
No Gerard has never healed from complete disintegration so I think it would kill him.
Lilie can become intangible for a short period of time with both his eyes open but to use intangible indefinitely he has to open it 3 times which shouldn’t be hard to do since you just need to blink 3 times.
Your selling Askin a bit short there he can turn anything lethal as long as he’s had consumed it before hand like if he consumed blood he can turn their blood into a Lethal poison.
I don’t think they’re immortal because they claim that but hasn’t really been put to practice like would they die if you Vaporized them? Probably but that isn’t really relevant in this fight but it’s something to consider.
You should also consider that the Yonko are also here.
@requiemcross: Well that's basically the property of X-axis. Lille himself stated in the manga. Juudara can't hit intangible things and that's that on that. No matter how hard you try to deny it, the manga has proven that Madara can't hit intangible things
No, Madara was unable to hit Obito because of the power of his Mangekyou. Source: Naruto ch666 p2. It does not contradict the Six path's Senjutsu's ability to hit intangible beings. Also, please provide the sources of when Lille said that.
The same thing could also apply about his Limbo clones. Source: Naruto ch674 p7.
Lille's x-axis does not have that specific requirement, so what's stopping Madara from eradicating him using his TSB? Lille's x-axis does not have a feat against attacks that hurts intangible beings.
Also, Obito's Kamui has the feat to synchronize his eye to other dimensions. Source: Naruto ch 683 p15.
So what's stopping Obito's Kamui to synchronize to the spatial dimension where lille's body is tangible?
@requiemcross: well if you want to get technical bleach characters themselves already exist in a form of limbo. They can't be interacted with by normal people and can even phase through objects. This means they should already be able to see and interact with limbo since they are already in the same realm and lillie is still intangible to them.
Wrong assumption. Unlike Limbo, Bleach Characters does not have the rinnegan to see them or the Six path's Senjutsu to feel them. Those are specific requirements needed to see and perceived them.
He required reality warping attacks to even touch him or his own powers which negate intangibility altogether.
They don't need reality warping attacks to hurt him. Their Truth-Seeking Ball have feats of hurting intangible beings.
@requiemcross: This is completely wrong. Madara's Limbo can be touched with Senjutsu because of its specific requirements. Now you're reaching by saying that both Limbo and Lille are sharing same principle which is not at all. Limbo exists in invisible world meanwhile Lille just being there with his passive intangibility. The only thing that can hurt him is reality warper.
@requiemcross: This is completely wrong. Madara's Limbo can be touched with Senjutsu because of its specific requirements.
Wrong assumption. Naruto managed to hurt Madara's Limbo because of the six path's senjutsu that was given to him by hagoromo.
Now you're reaching by saying that both Limbo and Lille are sharing same principle which is not at all.
You're the one reaching.
When did I say that both Limbo and Lille are sharing the same principle? my exact wordings are:
"Lille's x-axis does not have that specific requirement, so what's stopping Madara from eradicating him using his TSB? Lille's x-axis does not have a feat against attacks that hurts intangible beings."
The prior statement: "The same thing could also apply about his Limbo clones. Source: Naruto ch674 p7." compares Madara's Limbo to Obito's Kamui. Both of them needs a specific requirement in order to negates their intangibility.
Limbo exists in invisible world meanwhile Lille just being there with his passive intangibility. The only thing that can hurt him is reality warper.
They don't need reality warping attacks to hurt him. Their Truth-Seeking Ball have feats of hurting intangible beings.
Elites win half of these debaters need to stick to comics limbo is not touching lillie and gerard is only being put down with sealing which none of them have. Also he has came back from nothing but lets say they do destroy him completely that means his sword as well and damage reflection kills them 2 askin and perninda are useless i agree.
Elites win half of these debaters need to stick to comics limbo is not touching lillie and gerard is only being put down with sealing which none of them have. Also he has came back from nothing but lets say they do destroy him completely that means his sword as well and damage reflection kills them 2 askin and perninda are useless i agree.
@requiemcross: Yeah, I mean the Six Path Senjutsu but my point is still standing. Naruto can hurt Limbo due to its association with Six Path Senjutsu. But now you are implying the same thing on Lille. It's reaching
@requiemcross: those chains are not used for sealing but for restraining bijuu or they're jamed through chakra points blocking a ninja chakra passage thus imobilizing them useless to the bleach team. Six path senjutsu? How does that stop damage reflection when the ability warps reality itself you just talking non sense now. Limbo intangibility works completely different than lillies. We've seen Kaguya's attack get phased through and her stats chakra and Rinnegan mastery is well above these 2. Lillie solos also truth seeking orbs are phased through or flat out erased by the x axis. Through scaling gerard one shots either if he lands a single strike.
@requiemcross: Yeah, I mean the Six Path Senjutsu but my point is still standing. Naruto can hurt Limbo due to its association with Six Path Senjutsu. But now you are implying the same thing on Lille. It's reaching
Naruto hurting Madara's Limbo is a feat for six path's senjutsu to harm intangible beings.
What ability of Lille will prevent those feats from harming him?
What's stopping Madara and Obito's TSB from harming him?
You're the one reaching since you can't provide an explanation on why Lille's won't be affected by attacks that have feats of hurting intangible beings.
@requiemcross: those chains are not used for sealing but for restraining bijuu or they're jamed through chakra points blocking a ninja chakra passage thus imobilizing them useless to the bleach team.
How are they useless if even the Edo Tensei bodies could be affected?
Source: naruto ch567; naruto ch379
Six path senjutsu? How does that stop damage reflection when the ability warps reality itself you just talking non sense now.
Limbo intangibility works completely different than lillies. We've seen Kaguya's attack get phased through and her stats chakra and Rinnegan mastery is well above these 2. Lillie solos also truth seeking orbs are phased through or flat out erased by the x axis. Through scaling gerard one shots either if he lands a single strike.
@requiemcross: You keep repeating that it's a feat for Senjutsu to harm intangible things but we all know that it works due to its association with Six Path Senjutsu which explained by Naruto himself. Lille's intangibility is completely different from Limbo and it has no relation with Six Path Senjutsu at all. The truth essence of X-axis is more than enough to explain why Madara and Obito might not even has a chance to land a hit on Lille.
@requiemcross: you need reiatsu to see and perceive bleach characters something naruto characters don't have. That's also a specific requirement for touching or seeing them. The x axis doesn't have any of those requirements. They can't touch him because of his intangibility. Everything phases through him.
No truth seeking balls have feats of touching limbo which people without 6 paths chakra have done as well so not impressive. No one in naruto has intangibility like lillie
Edit: good example is that truth seeking balls can't touch obito
In a related topic, both Madara and Obito could also utilize their Black Receiver.
By stabbing a target with these receivers, Obito and Madara can transmit their chakra into them, hindering their movements if pierced with only one receiver and completely paralyzing them if pierced through multiple pressure points.
@theemperor95: Juudara realized that TSB couldn't touch Obito in his intangibility form hence he spammed TSB before Obito activated Kamui otherwise it was useless. This is a perfect example to debunk the idea of TSB can touch intangible things.
@requiemcross: You keep repeating that it's a feat for Senjutsu to harm intangible things but we all know that it works due to its association with Six Path Senjutsu which explained by Naruto himself.
Correction: Six path's Senjutsu. Please note the difference of regular Senjutsu from Six path's Senjutsu.
Please, kindly provide the chapter and pages where naruto explained that limbo is in association with six path's Senjutsu.
Lille's intangibility is completely different from Limbo and it has no relation with Six Path Senjutsu at all.
I never said they have any relation to six path's senjutsu.
The truth essence of X-axis is more than enough to explain why Madara and Obito might not even has a chance to land a hit on Lille.
The explanation provided by Lille is not enough. What he said is that Physical attacks and Kido does not affect him.
You need to consider the feats of Six Paths Senjutsu's Yin–Yang Release attacks. This are the nature transformation that allows the truth seeking orbs and magnet release rasengan to harm intangible beings like Madara's Limbo.
@requiemcross: you need reiatsu to see and perceive bleach characters something naruto characters don't have. That's also a specific requirement for touching or seeing them.
last time I check, Quincy are not invisible like the Shinigami.
The x axis doesn't have any of those requirements. They can't touch him because of his intangibility. Everything phases through him.
Lille's intangibility does not have a feat that allows attacks capable of hurting intangible beings to phase through to him.
No truth seeking balls have feats of touching limbo which people without 6 paths chakra have done as well so not impressive.
Wrong assumption. There is one. Toneri
No one in naruto has intangibility like lillie
Madara's Limbo and Obito's Kamui.
Edit: good example is that truth seeking balls can't touch obito
And I already explained it before:
#33 Edited by REQUIEMCROSS (652 posts) - 9 hours, 45 minutes ago -
Madara was unable to hit Obito because of the power of Obito's Mangekyou. Source: Naruto ch666 p2. It does not contradict the Six path's Senjutsu's ability to hit intangible beings.
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