@cable_extreme said:
@mutantheroic: That is why I gave an example. You have to take into account a few things with comics.
- Writers aren't mathematicians.
- Writers aren't scientist.
- Look at their meaning regardless of their accuracy and likeness with our own reality.
This was my water source comparison. Imagine you have 3 people all connected to an infinite water source. Two of them have a 1-inch diameter hose, and 1 has a 2-inch diameter hose. All contain infinite water, but the one that has a bigger hose has more used at each increment. Mathematically, infinity could never be quantified or possessed in the first place. This is comics though.
If we take into account our current understanding of our own natural law, obviously infinity is equal to infinity.
In your example, none of them are actually infinitely powerful, they can only take in a finite amount of water out of an infinite reservoir, this is more akin to having a potentially infinite power, rather than actually infinite power, which was clearly not the intent in the scan as it believed in hierarchies of infinite power which is illogical.
My only problem here is that people use these scans as evidence that Marvel is above your average infinite setting, when in truth it makes it weaker, I don't think the forgiveness and leniency is deserved when you consider that. Marvel's credibility should be rightfully questioned in claims about infinity if scans like these continue to be used for claims of power, otherwise abandon the scan as if it never existed, don't use it against other settings, then the scan won't be used against Marvel.
Further.
Marvel's intent was clearly hierarchies of transfinite power, the problem here is that the concept of uncountable infinity doesn't directly translate in a meaningful manner to physical quantities like mass, weight, volume, and energy, which by law are sigma additive quantities.
Uncountable infinity doesn't satisfy sigma additivity, which is a property in measure theory, asserting that the measure of the union of countably many disjoint sets is equal to the sum of the measures of the individual sets.
So If you translated uncountable infinity to countably additive quantities, its sum will be either ill-defined or the sum will be ∞+ the same as countable infinity, which means all physical infinities in fiction will always have the same magnitude ∞+ regardless of cardinality, assuming the magnitude as the uncountably infinite physical settings are not ill-defined.
So what Marvel was trying to do here was doing something logically impossible, which is the same as saying it is impossible for any possible world regardless of its natural laws, we can allow for physical impossibilities but that doesn't excuse for logical impossibilities, the latter Marvel did here, which is the same as saying Marvel's power is quite incoherent, but power comes from logic and order, not inconsistency and chaos.
Logical coherency even for metaphysics is important, otherwise we may as well go back to accepting Suggsverse beyond omnipotence arguments.
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