Elder God Demonbane vs Unicron

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Both of them are at full power.

Who wins this?

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Anyone?

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EGD is omnipotent.

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EGD is omnipotent.

Demonbane is not omnipotent. Demonbane is a nigh-omnipotent.

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@fallschirmjager said:

EGD is omnipotent.

Demonbane is not omnipotent. Demonbane is a nigh-omnipotent.

Yes he is. @reikai can explain in more detail but he became equal to Azathoth.

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#9  Edited By jwwprod

RIP Both Unicron and Transformers universe ;_;

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@jwwprod said:

RIP Unicron & Transformers universe ;_;

Transformers has a potentially omnipotent being.

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EG Demonbane, Solos the transformers universe.

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EG Demonbane, Solos the transformers universe.

Transformers has a potentially omnipotent being.

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#14  Edited By jwwprod

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@jwwprod said:

RIP Unicron & Transformers universe ;_;

Transformers has a potentially omnipotent being.

And is there any real evidence to prove that the omnipotent being in Transformers is actually omnipotent?

@albertphytagoras said:

EG Demonbane, Solos the transformers universe.

This.

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@ryanburns: Well Demonbane still murders anyone else in the Transformers universe.

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EG-Demonbane stomps the Transformers Megaverse out of existence.

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@reikai said:

EG-Demonbane stomps the Transformers Megaverse out of existence.

This.

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@reikai said:

EG-Demonbane stomps the Transformers Megaverse out of existence.

Transformers has a potentially omnipotent being.

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@ryanburns: Doesn't matter if you can't prove anything about it. "Potentially" doesn't mean jack crap to anyone. Demonbane has actually gone out and beat down nigh-omnipotents who create/destroy infinite multiverses by merely existing and whose molecules are composed of multiverses.

Demonbane has a tool that, just by swinging it, he's destroying multiverses.

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@reikai said:

@ryanburns: Doesn't matter if you can't prove anything about it. "Potentially" doesn't mean jack crap to anyone. Demonbane has actually gone out and beat down nigh-omnipotents who create/destroy infinite multiverses by merely existing and whose molecules are composed of multiverses.

Demonbane has a tool that, just by swinging it, he's destroying multiverses.

He may or may not be able to defeat The One.

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@ryanburns: From what I'm seeing, "The One", isn't even in the same league as the beings Demonbane spanks regularly. Nyarlathotep wraps the whole Transformers megaverse around her little finger, and EGD killed her 400million times in an instant. With a Glare.

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@reikai: The One might be omnipotent though.

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@ryanburns: And nobody cares. If the Writers didn't say so, and the fans are going "Maybe". Then the answer is simple; He Isn't.

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@reikai said:

@ryanburns: And nobody cares. If the Writers didn't say so, and the fans are going "Maybe". Then the answer is simple; He Isn't.

He might be omnipotent. Don't say he isn't.

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@ryanburns: If the Writers didn't say so and it wasn't made obvious nor stated by the character himself nor alluded to by Primus or any other figures, then it's not a "Maybe" It's a "No he isn't". Being above Primus and Unicron doesn't make you omnipotent.

Trying to build an argument with a "Maybe" is utterly pointless and meaningless.

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#31  Edited By RyanBurns

@reikai: There is no proof that The One is omnipotent. There is also no proof that he is not.

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@ryanburns: Which means he's not unless the Writers or Company comes out and says he is. Again, relying on a "maybe" with no clarification, means absolutely nothing here.

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@reikai: Just because they never said he is omnipotent, doesn't mean he is not.

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#34  Edited By Fallschirmjager

@reikai: Just because they never said he is omnipotent, doesn't mean he is not.

Actually. That's exactly what it means.

Unless someone has a statement or better yet an actual FEAT to validate their power level, they aren't. Period.

Otherwise everyone is omnipotent unless the writers say they aren't.

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@fallschirmjager said:

@ryanburns said:

@reikai: Just because they never said he is omnipotent, doesn't mean he is not.

Actually. That's exactly what it means.

Unless someone has a statement or better yet an actual FEAT to validate their power level, they aren't. Period.

Otherwise everyone is omnipotent unless the writers say they aren't.

No. He is a creator god, so that's why he might be omnipotent.

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@fallschirmjager said:

@ryanburns said:

@reikai: Just because they never said he is omnipotent, doesn't mean he is not.

Actually. That's exactly what it means.

Unless someone has a statement or better yet an actual FEAT to validate their power level, they aren't. Period.

Otherwise everyone is omnipotent unless the writers say they aren't.

No. He is a creator god, so that's why he might be omnipotent.

Thor is a god. He's not even close to omnipotent.

Being called god means nothing.

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@fallschirmjager: Thor is not a creator god. The One is a creator god like the true God in the Bible. (P.S. Sorry if you are not a Christain) So that's why he might be omnipotent since he is supposed to be the God of the Transformers Multiverse.

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#38  Edited By Fallschirmjager

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@fallschirmjager: Thor is not a creator god. The One is a creator god like the true God in the Bible. (P.S. Sorry if you are not a Christain) So that's why he might be omnipotent since he is supposed to be the God of the Transformers Multiverse.

Creating a multiverse doesn't make you omnipotent either.

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#39  Edited By reikai

@ryanburns: Nyarlathotep created infinite multiverses. Demonbane still pimpslapped her.

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@reikai: @fallschirmjager: I know but the One is supposed to be the God of the Transformers multiverse so thats why he might be omnipotent.

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@ryanburns: You still fail to understand that relying on "maybes" and "might bes" is completely and utterly pointless. Nobody cares. There's nothing to back it. And unless the Writers/Company give some sort of confirmation, then as far as anyone is concerned, He Isn't Omnipotent.

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@reikai: this is pointless. abandon ship

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@reikai: He still might be omnipotent though. So thats why it is debatable wether or not Demonbane can defeat him.

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@ryanburns: It's not debatable at all. Because you can't prove he's omnipotent. You have nothing to support it. Not even the Writers have alluded to anything of that sort. All you have is one line saying "he created a multiverse". That's it.

Demonbane series has beings who do that by merely existing, and have far greater feats above that. And Demonbane has defeated All of Them. Even stated that the True Omnipotence of the series itself, Azathoth, can't remove or destroy Demonbane.

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@reikai said:

@ryanburns: It's not debatable at all. Because you can't prove he's omnipotent. You have nothing to support it. Not even the Writers have alluded to anything of that sort. All you have is one line saying "he created a multiverse". That's it.

Demonbane series has beings who do that by merely existing, and have far greater feats above that. And Demonbane has defeated All of Them. Even stated that the True Omnipotence of the series itself, Azathoth, can't remove or destroy Demonbane.

Then Azathoth is not Omnipotent.

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this thread isn't even about "The one"

so stupid.

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@ryanburns: It's not debatable at all. Because you can't prove he's omnipotent. You have nothing to support it. Not even the Writers have alluded to anything of that sort. All you have is one line saying "he created a multiverse". That's it.

Demonbane series has beings who do that by merely existing, and have far greater feats above that. And Demonbane has defeated All of Them. Even stated that the True Omnipotence of the series itself, Azathoth, can't remove or destroy Demonbane.

Then Azathoth is not Omnipotent.

No. It means Demonbane is omnipotent because omnipotent vs omnipotent is stalemate.

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@fallschirmjager: Actually the point was that Demonbane had become so integral to Azathoth's own being that Azathoth can't destroy him. It wouldn't matter if an Awakened Azathoth could beat him over and over again, Demonbane would never cease to be.

It was rather simple. When Azathoth wakes up, everything ceases to exist. The omniverse, Yog-Sothoth, Cthulhu, Nyarlathotep, etc etc. All of it. Gone. *poof* Never happened. With the exception of Demonbane. He'd still be there.

Demonbane has effectively become a part of Azathoth himself, which is why he can't ever be destroyed. I have never made the contention that Demonbane could tie out with Azathoth in a fight, only that Azathoth can't ever destroy him.

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#48  Edited By Chibi_cute

Demonbane erases the entire transformers verse just by blinking.

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EDG does not erase transformers unless he has powers in the IDW omniverse

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@mikep12 said:

EDG does not erase transformers unless he has powers in the IDW omniverse

`HE CAN