Eida vs Aizen

@ragegod said:

@shirosenya: Shutting down stat advantage wank. A pillar did more damage to Koji than Isshiki's fist.

Cool, pillar scaling above Isshiki's fist

It's not downplay, he just scaled the pillars' potency above Isshiki's fist

its a downplay bruh. isshiki can kick susanoo easly. Besides Isshiki is not serious when fighting Kashin Koji

@shirosenya: @bleachhub:u guys need to calms. Yh I know what he trying to do but he don't know that he is just simply scaling the pillars above his fist obviously

He salty he has no counter or feats for Vegeta resisting what he wants to do which is love

Aizen turns into Simpzen.

His hate boner left em wit a subjective state of mind towards Boruto which prohibits him from thinking things through before posting & giving rational arguments. Sad case rly

DKT expands objects faster than Sasuke/Naruto can react, duo have LS+ reaction (lowball) suggesting DKT resizes objects to their og state at LS+ (lowball) motion. Speed is weight... and jutsu's(DKT) massively scale above their users, thats common sense which damn near all the fandom knows.

Isshiki can also control the speed at which he shrinks/expands things as shown when he shrinked Sasuke's Kusanagi & Boruto's kunai and the no name shinobi surviving DKT shurikens to the face.

@epichotflame said:

@ragegod said:

@shirosenya: Shutting down stat advantage wank. A pillar did more damage to Koji than Isshiki's fist.

Cool, pillar scaling above Isshiki's fist

Yep

@saxz: I don't doubt is versatility but that doesn't equal more potent or more battle applicable.

Versatility absolutely gives you more battle advantages

Sharingan Genjutsu

> scares character to K.O by showing them scary illusions - Aizen can do this it's just in character for him to troll with illusions instead

It doesn't have to be a scary image, you can just KO people or put them in a trance. Aizen can only really on imagery.

> can control people which is a very good point.

> has an obvious weakness; can be broken. Also someone can realize he is in a genjutsu by studying their energy.

Whether or not it can be broken depends on the skill of the caster vs to victim's. The energy study thing applies to KS as well everytime Aizen releases it gives of unique sensation that perceptive people like ichigo can notice. Yama also felt aizen's presence when he was stabbed.

> can control only one person at a time.

Not true, we've seen sharingan genjutsu get cast on multiple targets already.

> the user requires intense concentration and runs out of energy fast.

That's a limitation of the user, not the ability. KS has the exact same issue where when some with much less stamina and concentration than Aizen (tokinade) used it, he could barely focus and had his stamina drained quickily.

> it's passive

Not really, his illusions are only active during the release. He's never actually kept it up for longer than a few days.

> it requires negligible energy and can last for a 100 years.

Again, this isn't inherent to the ability. KS uses tons of energy, aizen just has a crazy amount so it doesn't matter. Its the same reason naruto spam a jutsu that normal drains the user to death.

> can fool nearly a country full of People

Caster issue again. KS requires more energy for more people, aizen just has so much energy that he doesnt need to stress about it. Genjutsu would be the same.While a mid tier like kabuto can mind hax thousands a god tier can mind hax a whole planet.

> you don't know you're in an illusion no matter how hard you try (except you have resistance)

That just depends how perceptive the victim is. Unohana figured out something wasn't right just from examining his corpse and yama figured it out from a faint reiatsu from aizen.

Illusions aren't nearly as common in bleach so most people don't know to question it. Meanwhile in naruto people are constantly aware that anything they see could be an illusion.

> can't be easily broken.

Agreed, Its definitely harder to be break than standard Sharingan Genjutsu

>Sharingan Genjutsu Can take down at most a dozen people and I am being generous

Again, depends on the caster.

> can take down a whole army even if every individual is stronger than him, by using the KS ability alone.

Still caster dependant. Also stronger individuals require more energy to keep KS up.

Interesting matchup. Is Aizen even capable of actual romantic attraction? Isn't he sociopathic or something?

If it's supernaturally induced attraction, it might bypass Aizen being... like that, but we barely know anything about her and how this ability works anyway, so idk it might not do anything

@ultimatesage: yhwach would solo the verse by only thinking that they dont exist if energys are not equalized,

Aizen stomps, Hadou or KS, GG

going with hadou.

@aqua1: assuming aizen would even try it on his beloved, she'd tank it if she really does have stats above jigen's

You would have to assume Aidas ability works on him being a sociopath ( which by definition is incapable of feeling for others ), and that Bloodlust ( as stated in the OP ) doesn't override the ability ,which it does in every other instance of two individuals who love eachother put up on these boards.

Then you have to assume that she has physical stats above Jigen, which while stated there are several cyborgs above him in "power" does not indicate its above him in stats, nor does it specifically indicate that Eida is one of those several.

Then you have to assume that she has the capabilities of doing anything to Aizen. In general, you need to Seal him to stop his immortality, or have some sort of ability that negates it. Merely punching him isn't gonna do it.

That is a LOT of assumptions here. Thread is way too early. Remember what happened the last time a Naruto Cyborg came out and people started making early threads. Delta was touted as being above Naruto, etc. We saw how that turned out.

Though I will state that it does certainly look like she is likely to be the real deal, we just can't say that for certain yet.

@Aristeaus: the restrictions are family and otsutsuki, not family,otsutsuki, and any schmuck with a personality disorder.

We also can't just armchair diagnose fictional characters.

Amado said he made cyborgs "that greatly surpass jigen's power" while talking about how kara members had their bodies strengthened. It's pretty clear that brute strength is part of what makes her superior to Jigen.

Delta was full of herself but I don't remember anyone credible claiming she was stronger than naruto and even then she was a physical match for him.

Yeah it'd best to wait for her first fight but I think we have a good bit to work off.

Also she has a counter for KS just saying, she can just jump into past Aizen's mind and then boom she's "touched" his Zanpakto before it was released.

Not saying she wins but having a built in counter for KS + Aizen not having a counter for he "Love Hax"

@raziel2014: that's a dumb statement, that's how her power works it's not just falling in love.

she is not tsukishima, KS affects her soul not her body so this is all irrelevant because her soul is not changing.

the mere fact that she cant affect Otsutuski blood members or Relatives already hints at a severe weakness at least much weaker than the Quincy Pepe.

Lmao he deleted his comment.

@decaffeinated: What did he say?

@raziel2014: Might as well delete this comment too, you clearly don't even know what she can do. Even if Aizen uses KS on her she can use the consciousness of every living person past or present on the planet including Aizen.

@alisupo1: I can't remember something stupid like "people in live hurt each other all the time"

sigh its you that does not understand how her power work at all.

as per manga -> she can see current events and pick up scenes from past events, she can make people fall in love/steal heart but it does not work on Relatives or Otsutsuki members

she cant see events that happens pre her birth

@raziel2014:

Which is exactly what I said, and Aizen is neither of those things. She can place her consciousness into past Aizen and then KS would no longer work because she's touched it.

I'm proud of you though 3 comments is a record normally you say something completely wrong and then never explain yourself.

Eida>Jigen>Aizen

Bait aside Aizen wins.

Eida stole the heart from that hill level character.

When are yall going to learn what genjutsu does and doesn't? Its the same damn arguments yall keep presenting.

1. Genjutsu can straight up K.O an opponent, and actually did so unlike KS, stop giving KS feats it was never shown to have, Aizen can do 1 thing with KS, make illusions look real, he gave an example saying he could make either a fly or a butterfly look like a dragon, thats different from straight up KO'ing your target like genjutsu does.

2. With genjutsu one can enter the subconsciousness of their targets minds and even affect them on that level (like hebi sasuke suppressing kurama chakra inside naruto)

3. Itachi with his 3 tomoe can bounce off illusion cast on him (did so against kurenai), KS can't do that.

4. 3 tomoe genjutsu can outright control the opponent (obito controlled yagura, itachi controlled a random woman, sasuke controlled manda, madara controlled kurama etc), KS on the otherhand can't control anyone.

5. With genjutsu one can strike fear in the hearts of characters that don't even have feelings (hebi sasuke striking fear in sai).

6. With genjutsu one can paralyse the opponent

7. Genjutsu can be used for reality simulation,this is the only thing KS does, lol at it being comparable to something that could do much more.

8. 3 tomoe genjutsu can break the opponents will (like how madara broke the raikage's will as well as kid ohnoki someone with really strong will)

9. 3 tomoe genjutsu grants illusion resistance, from bouncing back illusion like itachi did, to seeing through illusions. KS does NOT

Not going into izanami or izanagi that alter ones fate or decides ones fate (fate manipulation) because they are still under 3 tomoe genjutsu as well.

And again you said genjutsu can only be used on a single target, well thats headcanon, it was never stated, and there are more evidence supporting the contrary like;

- kakashi who is not an uchiha ko'ing to root members with his single 3 tomoe

- Sasuke neg diffing 9 bijuus

- obito trapping both Fuu and Torune in genjutsu at the same time for days.

- itachi being stated by Ao and shukaku to be capable of mass genjutsu

- other genjutsu techniques affecting multiple targets like;

• feather genjutsu affecting a whole stadium

• kabuto muugen onsa genjutsu affecting uchiha bros

• jmans genjutsu affecting 3 paths

• gengetsu's genjutsu affecting a whole platoon

• Cee's genjutsu affecting juugo and sasuke

• kurenai's genjutsu affecting itachi and kisame

• IT affecting the whole planet

• Kaguya affecting tens of thousands of people with IT before the moon amplifying it.

So all evidence shows genjutsu affects multiple targets at the same time

On to your 3rd point, the only taxing genjutsu are MS based genjutsu and forbidden 3 tomoe genjutsu (izanami/izanagi), stop making things up, genjutsu was never stated to be taxxing, nobody ever in the series complained about using 3 tomoe genjutsu. And how is something as easy as making eye contact requiring intense concentration LMAO, bruh STOP WITH THE LIES AND DOWNPLAY.

ad regarding your argument on why KS is better, i will only agree with 1 or 2.

1. It lasts a very long time (madara controlled kurama for years, obito controlled yagura for years) though not as impressive as lasting a century, only IT would be better in that department.

2. Easier activation, sealed Aizen that merged with KS can activate KS easier than 3 tomoe genjutsu activation.

Thats about it, any other argument you gave is your headcanon, KS is NOT passive, otherwise ichigo would have been automatically caught, while its true it doesn't use much of Aizens reiatsu, its the same case with genjutsu, so i do not accept that as a reason for why KS is better. "can't be easily broken" is from the fact that the bleach verse have shit tier illusion resistance.

So yea based on the 9 points given on how versatile genjutsu is above KS, it should be superior.

The same reason i think Aizen beats jigen/isshiki is the same reason i think eida will beat Aizen, her hax simply hard counters his hax.

Depending on the version , Aizen can loose to nardo top tiers , or literally earse their soul by just existing.

@uchihaghost:

When are yall going to learn what genjutsu does and doesn't? Its the same damn arguments yall keep presenting.

Don't know what you're talking about

1. Genjutsu can straight up K.O an opponent, and actually did so unlike KS, stop giving KS feats it was never shown to have, Aizen can do 1 thing with KS, make illusions look real, he gave an example saying he could make either a fly or a butterfly look like a dragon, thats different from straight up KO'ing your target like genjutsu does.

What?? When did I say KS KO'd an opponent, I said some Genjutsu KO's opponents by showing them traumatic images. Kakashi/Sakura bell test, Sasuke/Sakura , Sasuke/cee, Kakashi/Anbu and so on....... Aizen hasn't done that because it's not his style, but are you implying KS can't conjure traumatic images like Sasuke being impaled by multiple kunais.

2. With genjutsu one can enter the subconsciousness of their targets minds and even affect them on that level (like hebi sasuke suppressing kurama chakra inside naruto)

Yes which is why I gave it a point for its mind control abilities above KS.

3. Itachi with his 3 tomoe can bounce off illusion cast on him (did so against kurenai), KS can't do that.

Yep this proves you weren't listening to shit and just jumped defensively ,if not you would know this wasn't about resistance. Resistance is a seperate ability from mind hax(although not entirely) but you can easily have mind hax resistance without having mind hax abilities.

The conversation started comparing both mind hax , strictly on mind hax abilities.

4. 3 tomoe genjutsu can outright control the opponent (obito controlled yagura, itachi controlled a random woman, sasuke controlled manda, madara controlled kurama etc), KS on the otherhand can't control anyone.

Points for mind control. I said this.

5. With genjutsu one can strike fear in the hearts of characters that don't even have feelings (hebi sasuke striking fear in sai).

With illusion Genjutsu? Don't recall the scene, but how dare you sai has emotions.

6. With genjutsu one can paralyse the opponent

By showing them illusions of being bound.

7. Genjutsu can be used for reality simulation,this is the only thing KS does, lol at it being comparable to something that could do much more.

Only thing, lol. You have six point prior to this, but only 1 is valid point above KS and that's mind control.

8. 3 tomoe genjutsu can break the opponents will (like how madara broke the raikage's will as well as kid ohnoki someone with really strong will)

Break will how??

9. 3 tomoe genjutsu grants illusion resistance, from bouncing back illusion like itachi did, to seeing through illusions. KS does NOT

Redundant and irrelevant.

Not going into izanami or izanagi that alter ones fate or decides ones fate (fate manipulation) because they are still under 3 tomoe genjutsu as well.

Izanagi is something different from mind hax entirely, its.a form of fate manipulation so no need to bring it up, and Izanami is being used by only one person currently, the most advanced Genjutsu user in the series and the fact that you bring it up makes me sure you missed the point of the conversation

And again you said genjutsu can only be used on a single target, well thats headcanon, it was never stated, and there are more evidence supporting the contrary like;

I was talking about high end abilities like Tsukuyomi and Koto in contrast to KS when I said this not regular gen

- kakashi who is not an uchiha ko'ing to root members with his single 3 tomoe

- Sasuke neg diffing 9 bijuus

- obito trapping both Fuu and Torune in genjutsu at the same time for days.

- itachi being stated by Ao and shukaku to be capable of mass genjutsu

Bijuus are weak and susceptible to uchihas, but I agree to the rest. These are

- other genjutsu techniques affecting multiple targets like;

• feather genjutsu affecting a whole stadium

• kabuto muugen onsa genjutsu affecting uchiha bros

• jmans genjutsu affecting 3 paths

• gengetsu's genjutsu affecting a whole platoon

• Cee's genjutsu affecting juugo and sasuke

• kurenai's genjutsu affecting itachi and kisame

• IT affecting the whole planet

• Kaguya affecting tens of thousands of people with IT before the moon amplifying it.

So all evidence shows genjutsu affects multiple targets at the same time

Oh boy, you're missing the point by a mile, do yourself a favor and actually read what brought about these arguments. LMAO.

My exact point which @Mannilman responds to was it's unfair to compare KS to Genjutsu, because KS is just one guy's ability Vs Genjutsu- an umbrella term used to refer to the mind hax of the entire verse. And you just proved the point of my argument with these section by filling the holes in some Genjutsu abilities by using other people Genjutsu abilities. Lol.

I can destroy 90% of your case against KS if I bring in other mind hax from bleach to fill in its limitations, like As Nodt, Pepe, Shinji and so on.

On to your 3rd point, the only taxing genjutsu are MS based genjutsu and forbidden 3 tomoe genjutsu (izanami/izanagi), stop making things up, genjutsu was never stated to be taxxing, nobody ever in the series complained about using 3 tomoe genjutsu.

Again stop being clueless and follow the conversation, Taxing Genjutsu was referred as a weakness to the higher end Genjutsu...... 3 tomoe Genjutsu and the other non taxing feather Genjutsu arent as potent and they are easily broken or not so effective.

And how is something as easy as making eye contact requiring intense concentration LMAO,

Jiraiya and Chiyo made it clear about the whole process of casting and maintaining Genjutsu. I can't post scan atm but being a Naruto expert I bet you know what I am talking about.

bruh STOP WITH THE LIES AND DOWNPLAY.

More than Half of this post is you just confusing yourself so I don't what to say. Go back and rewrite your post when you've gotten the basis of the argument.

she cant even see aizen

Aizen trolls the verse as usual...

Nah not the verse

Simpzen?

Ever since Eida got introduced people are spamming her in battles lmfao

@ultimatesage: Eida isn’t above Jigen, where did you get that from?

Eida is one of these cyborgs he is talking about

@scp-939 said:

@alextheboss said:

@ultimatesage: Eida isn’t above Jigen, where did you get that from?

Eida is one of these cyborgs he is talking about

Then also to add on to this, Code without limiters was stated to be above Jigen and he gets negged no diff by Eida's ability regardless

@alextheboss: It was mentioned that there are amado built androids stronger than Jigen, and Eida is one of them.