@hittheassasin: there is Zero reason to believe Cap hits harder than Thor with the hammer which Tony has already shown to tank. Add on a much more advanced suit and experienced pilot and there's no way Cap is wining.
@noah_ouellette: That actually might be why Stark loses rounds. Getting knocked out by Mjolnir, Tony the person was ko'd, but the suit seemed pretty fine (it is the most advanced suit). I feel like Stark will get knocked around if he tries to get up close. He can win via spamming his ranged weapons and resisting lightning, but a hammer toss to the helmet will ko him. It's really up to Stark and how he chooses to approach this fight. He has more options, but as long as Cap's holding Mjolnir, he's too powerful up close. Unfortunately, Stark's opening attack on Thanos was a blade before switching to repulsors at close range. But whether he knows about Cap's buff from Mjolnir or not will be crucial. The suit can self-repair, but the wearer cannot, impacts from Thor's weapons are too much for the wearer. At the same time, bombarding Cap with everything may knock the hammer out of his hands.
@hittheassasin: there is Zero reason to believe Cap hits harder than Thor with the hammer which Tony has already shown to tank. Add on a much more advanced suit and experienced pilot and there's no way Cap is wining.
This very same Tony got oneshot by a lightning amped hit from Mjolnir, so there's no reason to believe Cap doesn't decimate him, especially since he's already shown he's faster and more skilled than Iron Man to an extent that he can beat on him for several seconds with the later being practically unable to counter him at all back in Civil War. Tony isn't taking that many hits from Mjolnir at all.
@hittheassasin: that was from Thor with the "Odin force" Cap doesn't have the Ragnorak amp. Tony wasn't even paying attention to Cap in CW he stopped mid attack to kick Bucky on the mouth.
@mister_stark: There is no such thing as the Odinforce in the MCU as of now. The Ragnarok "amp" also isn't a thing that's active 24/7, unlike you seem to be suggesting. The point is, Cap had Tony dead to rights in Civil War and was beating the snot out of him until his algorithm kicked in.
Tony wasn't even fighting Cap he was activity ignoring him besides that's not relevant to this battle unless you can prove the mk50-85 are on the same level as that weaker suit.
It doesn't matter if it's passive or not, Thor got major amp in Ragnorak and has more striking feats than Cap.
@mister_stark: But it is relevant, unless you can prove Tony somehow got faster in combat just because he added some nanites and more firepower into a suit?
Thor's increased power is inly a thing while he's using his lightning god powers, which is always indicated by his eyes turning blue, and armour sparking with electricity. In other words, it wasn't in effect against Thanos.
Tony decimates. Worthy Cap is slow as hell and he is nowhere near as powerful as Worthy Thor let alone Rag Thor. Tony had a more impressive showing against an infinity gauntlet Thanos then Cap against a gaunt-less Thanos.
@hittheassasin: I can prove Tony got faster,stronger, and has more firepower.
The suit on CW was damaged by a car falling on top of him, the one in IW survived a massive rock flying at entry level speeds that's 1000's of times greater. So the blunt hits won't do anything unless you can prove Cap gained Thor's strength. The lighting won't do anything as shown in the movie EH it Tony can absorb it and use it to amp his own blasts.
@mister_stark: You just proved Tony is more durable, which'd be super important if we didn't already know a lightning wreathed hit from Mjolnir could KO him instantly. What I asked you was to prove Tony was faster than before, which is something you can't do, obviously.
As for me proving Cap gained Thor's strength, really? In the first film, Odin literally confirms that anyone who can lift Mjolnir gains the power of Thor, you don't get anymore clear cut than that.
@jdogg: slow? Iron Man was easily slower than Cap against Thanos with all that winding up he had to do just to knock back Thanos. Cap actually can do rapid combos with the shield and Mjolnir.
@rebake: What? Tony was zipping around the battlefield in EG and straight stopped Thanos from using the Gauntlet in IW. Cap fought guant-less Thanos and his wind up speed was pathetic compared to Worthy Thor's. The whole confrontation was slow as hell as well while in IW IM and Thanos were moving much faster.
His "rapid" combo was like a two hit combo with the shield lol. And that combo only happened due to him missing the shield throw. Cap was as fast as a regular human in that fight .
@rebake: What? Tony was zipping around the battlefield in EG and straight stopped Thanos from using the Gauntlet in IW. Cap fought guant-less Thanos and his wind up speed was pathetic compared to Worthy Thor's. The whole confrontation was slow as hell as well while in IW IM and Thanos were moving much faster.
His "rapid" combo was like a two hit combo with the shield lol. And that combo only happened due to him missing the shield throw. Cap was as fast as a regular human in that fight .
Iron-man is definitely faster by feats.
Iron Man failed to land any attacks on Thanos in EG unless he was distracted for all his speed (we are talking combat speed right?) and stopping Thanos from using the gauntlet was due to catching him by surprise with a device made from the armor. But that thing's not faster than Mjolnir. It is confirmed that Iron Man was fighting a more casual Thanos form IW who only used the power stone pretty sparingly against Iron Man. He didn't do anything like the power stone punch on Captain Marvel to Iron Man. EG Thanos is out to kill everyone and much more deadly in mindset. Cap was the first of the trinity to land a hit on Thanos, and the only one of the trinity to land combos one Thanos while armored and serious. IW Iron Man wouldn't have even drawn blood if Thanos was wearing a helmet, Mjolnir Cap cracked the helmet. And so what if Cap was using both the hammer and shield? Iron Man was using both his arms was he not? Each arm loaded with weapon options. Iron Man's only faster in travel speed, but his cqc speed isn't consistently better without repulsor assistance (but then there's some cooldown as we see Iron Man fairly still after hitting Thanos in the face in IW, while Cap would already be following up). Iron Man's speed in combat is explosive, but inconsistent with all the winding up and cooling down he does. Unarmored Thanos ripped off Iron Man's helmet pretty quickly after being struck by double hammers, which while initially fast, had just enough cooldown to allow Thanos to respond. Cap's combos pressured Thanos more even when he had added protection and a massive blade that scales to Stormbreaker level more or less, Mjolnir is faster than Iron Man's cqc weapon attacks like blades and hammers.
@hittheassasin: I watched the movie a second time last night, you said Tony was KO'd by the hammer so that means Cap can KO him? You forgot to mention that he wasn't just KO'd buy the hammer... It was a combined attack from Stormbreaker and the hammer.
I see no way Cap can win the fight he has no striking high enough to damage the suit or KO Tony.
@hittheassasin: I watched the movie a second time last night, you said Tony was KO'd by the hammer so that means Cap can KO him? You forgot to mention that he wasn't just KO'd buy the hammer... It was a combined attack from Stormbreaker and the hammer.
I see no way Cap can win the fight he has no striking high enough to damage the suit or KO Tony.
No it wasn't? It was literally just Thor hitting Mjolnir towards Thanos with Stormbreaker, literally nothing indicates the force would somehow be greater than Thor just hitting full force using Mjolnir.
@hittheassasin: How does it not? Stormbreaker is one of few things that can actually hurt Thanos. Cap hit Thanos how many times? And didn't even make him bleed. Plus Thor is stronger than Cap so you have that and him playing baseball with Stormbreaker and the hammer that's way above what Cap can do to the point that I'm confused at what you're trying to argue here.
Tony can absorb lightning and dodge Mjlnor throws. Cap has no option but to get bombed if he flies up. It literally just comes down to Cap's durability.
I just watched it again and Cap only gets Mjonir advantage because Thanos wasn't expecting it. Even the lightning barely makes a crack on his armor. Then he dominated Cap almost immediately.
Cap doesn't get Thor stats. Just the ability to use the hammer and some lightning
@mister_stark: It doesn't make a difference because Stormbreaker wasn't what KO'd Iron Man, literally all it was was a tool for Thor to launch Mjolnir at Thanos. And no, base Thor is not stronger than Captain America at all, seeing as to how holding Mjolnir literally grants Cap Thor level stats, those of an arguably superior Thor, before he ruined his physique.
Tony clearly can't take many hits from lightning charged Mjolnir, and seeing as to how Cap is probably faster and far more skilled, I don't see how be loses once he closes the gap. Unless you're going to argue Iron Man is stronger than Thor, he isn't winning a CQC encounter at all.
It doesn't Grant him Thor level physicals when Cap jumped on Thanos' back he didn't help at all. When Thanos grabbed him he couldn't resist at all. He clearly wasn't any stronger.
How does it not matter? I can bat a ball a lot harder than I can throw it. I'm not understanding you here, you want me to ignore all the context of the scene? I don't need to argue Tony as stronger than Thor because he's not facing Thor.
Cap stomps. He's faster in combat speed, has a shield that Iron Man can't really bypass and Cap does fantastic combos with Mjnoir and his shield. People can pretend Tony fights by flying but he doesn't. He's gonna get up close like he always do one on one and he's gonna get stomped.
@mister_stark: Cap didn't have Mjnoir when he jumped on Thanos back, Thor did. And Cap did help bring Stormbreaker closer to Thanos when he jumped on his back http://imgur.com/a/ijr8Xho
@mister_stark: What? Are you seriously going to back to being in denial about Steve having Thor level physicals? Odin's statement is explicit, I don't care what your meaningless interpretation of Cap's participation in the Thanos vs Thor struggle amounts to. When Cap has Mjolnir, he has Thor level stats.
I'm saying Stormbreaker itself doesn't play a role here. Of course Thor batting the hammer's going to be stronger than him just throwing it, but I'm not saying Cap has to oneshot Tony here. All that matters is whether Cap can deal significant damage, and unless you think Thor batting Mjolnir is going to be on a completely different level than Thor jumping and smashing it down, it won't matter. Especially since Steve can easily replicate a similiar affect by using his shield anyway.
@hittheassasin: I might be misreading but when Thor one shot Iron Man he didn't bat it with Stormbreaker he just threw it. Mjnoir got batted by Stormbreaker when Thor was trying to destroy the jet pack or whatever that was housing Iron Man's repulsors. That just broke the thing.
@hittheassasin: Explain how Cap is Thor's equal when 1.) He couldn't budge Thanos even slightly with Thor's help in a grapple. 2.) He got knocked out with a single punch from Thanos when even fat Thor took a whole beating.
Now how explain how Cap is going to win... When 1.) Lightning only amps Tony. 2.) Tony already has Caps fighting style scanned. 3.) Tony's suit was undamged by a combined attack from SB and M (you can say SB did nothing but it did.) 4.) Tony in a weaker suit can tank hits from the hammer as shown in Avengers 1.
@mister_stark: Lol no he didn't. Watch the scene and you'll see he batted Stormbreaker as Thanos was closing the gap between him and Tony. Then you'll see Tony was already in Thanos hand's before Mjnoir was ever thrown at him. Thanos wasn't using him as a shield he was trying to tear him in half.
@mister_stark: The link I linked was literally the scene you're describing except you're describing the scene wrongly. Thor had hit Mjnoir with Stormbreaker to destroy the thing that housed Tony's extra repulsors, he broke it, then Thanos picks up Tony and Thor throws Mjnoir at Tony's face to get him out of Thanos hand's. Thanos wasn't using Tony as a shield, he was trying to tear him apart. Thanos had nothing to be fearful of considering he had literally dodged Mjnoir 5 seconds earlier.
It wasn't a hammer swing it a throw. Click on the link dude http://imgur.com/a/SlJCcmP
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