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Earth Godzilla (Godzilla) vs Marine Admirals (One Piece)

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Godzilla is dumped several miles off the shore of Marineford, and all the Admirals gather to intercept with a large fleet of ships. Can they stop this Godzilla then and there?

Everyone is current.

Anime feats only.

Death, Incap, or KO

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#2  Edited By chris2kzombieki

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@chris2kzombieki said:

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Yay! I love to see what arguments for the Admirals can do to beat this version of GZ. Arguing pro GZ for this one hard.

First issue is can any of the Admirals tank megaton nukes blasts?

Electromagnetic Atomic Breath

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Godzilla atomic beams are stated to casually range int he three Terawatts range. Terrawatts are measured per hour of energy output, and once converted to kilotons is equivalent to 2.5 megatons nukes concentrated in a energy beam.

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Godzilla is able to generate a Electromagnetic Atomic Wave like attack through his tail that levels the forest and mini mountain formations.

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Earth Godzilla's atomic breath in Oscillatory Wave form, and measured as 900 Gigawatts of atomic back power. That is the sum energy of 900 Lightning Bolts combine. Gigawatts is measured per hour of energy output, and when converted to kilotons equals 774 Kilotons of TNT in energy in this blast wave attack, which is right under a megaton nuke.

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#5  Edited By CAV_Tighten
@sirfizzwhizz said:
@chris2kzombieki said:

@sirfizzwhizz

Yay! I love to see what arguments for the Admirals can do to beat this version of GZ. Arguing pro GZ for this one hard.

First issue is can any of the Admirals tank megaton nukes blasts?

Electromagnetic Atomic Breath

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Godzilla atomic beams are stated to casually range int he three Terawatts range. Terrawatts are measured per hour of energy output, and once converted to kilotons is equivalent to 2.5 megatons nukes concentrated in a energy beam.

Buddy, I explained this in the Kaiju Respect Thread, 3 terawatts is 0.72 kilotons a second ~ 3 000 gigajoules/s. The megaton result you're getting from those calculators is the result of total energy the lizard generates after letting out his beam continuously for a whole hour. Hence the term terawatt-hour.

Same thing goes for the 900 gigawatt estimate. That's just 215 tons of tnt/s.

3 terawatts ~ 717 tons of tnt/sec

900 gigawatts ~ 215 tons of tnt/sec

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#6  Edited By sirfizzwhizz
@cav_tighten said:
@sirfizzwhizz said:
@chris2kzombieki said:

@sirfizzwhizz

Yay! I love to see what arguments for the Admirals can do to beat this version of GZ. Arguing pro GZ for this one hard.

First issue is can any of the Admirals tank megaton nukes blasts?

Electromagnetic Atomic Breath

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Godzilla atomic beams are stated to casually range int he three Terawatts range. Terrawatts are measured per hour of energy output, and once converted to kilotons is equivalent to 2.5 megatons nukes concentrated in a energy beam.

Buddy, I explained this in the Kaiju Respect Thread, 3 terawatts is 0.72 kilotons a second ~ 3 000 gigajoules/s. The megaton result you're getting from those calculators is the result of total energy the lizard generates after letting out his beam continuously for a whole hour. Hence the term terawatt-hour.

Same thing goes for the 900 gigawatt estimate. That's just 215 tons of tnt/s.

3 terawatts ~ 717 tons of tnt/sec

900 gigawatts ~ 215 tons of tnt/sec

Yes and no., As some on Spacebattles explain as well we dont use terms like Gigawatts or Terrawatts in per second, we use those in terms of per hour. They never mention per second either. So the energy sum is terrawatts per hours worth of energy in the blast. Which makes ALOT more sense as that matches the feats we do get and read about.

Also this helps for frame of reference.

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3 terrawatts is stated as fact 51% the total energy consumption of electricity of the country of America at any given time.

2 Gigawatts alone power the entire states of Arizona, southern california, and Southern Nevada at the same time, much less 900 Gigawatts of energy.

Though this is comparing watts to watts-hours and most measurements always use watt-hours for measurements, not watts. So I prefer to use Watt-Hours that match the visual feats actually. Using normal Watts contradict the feats.

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#7  Edited By Konohana

Even with the higher-end results, assuming the information included is Godzilla’s best or limit even, any of the Admirals solo.

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#8  Edited By CAV_Tighten
@sirfizzwhizz said:
@cav_tighten said:
@sirfizzwhizz said:
@chris2kzombieki said:

@sirfizzwhizz

Yay! I love to see what arguments for the Admirals can do to beat this version of GZ. Arguing pro GZ for this one hard.

First issue is can any of the Admirals tank megaton nukes blasts?

Electromagnetic Atomic Breath

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Godzilla atomic beams are stated to casually range int he three Terawatts range. Terrawatts are measured per hour of energy output, and once converted to kilotons is equivalent to 2.5 megatons nukes concentrated in a energy beam.

Buddy, I explained this in the Kaiju Respect Thread, 3 terawatts is 0.72 kilotons a second ~ 3 000 gigajoules/s. The megaton result you're getting from those calculators is the result of total energy the lizard generates after letting out his beam continuously for a whole hour. Hence the term terawatt-hour.

Same thing goes for the 900 gigawatt estimate. That's just 215 tons of tnt/s.

3 terawatts ~ 717 tons of tnt/sec

900 gigawatts ~ 215 tons of tnt/sec

Yes and no., As some on Spacebattles explain as well we dont use terms like Gigawatts or Terrawatts in per second, we use those in terms of per hour. They never mention per second either. So the energy sum is terrawatts per hours worth of energy in the blast. Which makes ALOT more sense as that matches the feats we do get and read about.

Also this helps for frame of reference.

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3 terrawatts is stated as fact 51% the total energy consumption of electricity of the country of America at any given time.

2 Gigawatts alone power the entire states of Arizona, southern california, and Southern Nevada at the same time, much less 900 Gigawatts of energy.

Though this is comparing watts to watts-hours and most measurements always use watt-hours for measurements, not watts. So I prefer to use Watt-Hours that match the visual feats actually. Using normal Watts contradict the feats.

That's fine, you can use whatever unit you like, all I'm saying it the results you're getting from terawatt or gigawatt or megawatt - hour is the total energy released after an hour of continuously pouring it out. As in the burst of Electromagnetic breath Godzilla lets out is not those results from those calculators unless he keeping shooting out his beam for a whole hour to build up that energy release.

Also that spacebattles user probably has the mind of a 10 year old because they have no idea what they're even talking about lol. Watt(s) is = joule(s) per second, that's the unit. It's the literal definition, a Google search away. This is like what 6th - 8th grade physics.

Watt-hour = total number of watts after an hour

Watt(s) = joule(s) every second

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With that said obviously those scientists' estimates aren't his max output, Zilla has obliterated mountain ranges and created mile wide craters on the ground with his EM Beam.

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#10  Edited By socajunkie  Moderator

Easiest way to win is for Fujitora to levitate Godzilla in the sky and win by incap. Interesting trying to nerf the Admirals with anime only feats but with Z being here I'm assuming film feats are allowed to? In which case, Kizaru and Z no sold an island level blast, not that atomic breath is ever tagging the Admirals anyway.

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@sirfizzwhizz: I don't know how much you know about OP so if anything is unclear just lmk. The "anime only" thing is weird for this thread, especially since one of the Admirals has no anime feats yet, and I'll use manga panels but I won't use anything that wasn't shown in the anime, except for Greenbull.

First off, 4/7 Admirals have a form of intangibility. Akainu is magma, Aokiji is ice, Kizaru is light and Greenbull is a forest. Don't know if Godzilla is supposed to be able to hit them, but if he's not directly allowed in this thread, it would need to be explained how he could get past their varying forms of intangibility, with Kizaru's probably being the hardest since he's literally light.

For megatons blasts, Franky took this explosion before the timeskip:

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Pre-Timeskip Franky is less than fodder to the Admirals.

Fujitora, arguably the weakest Admiral (besides Z who is non-canon, and I didn't watch that movie) effectively no sold a hit from Gear 3rd Luffy. Luffy without Gears breaks cliffs by accident. If you specifically want energy feats, it took Akainu ten days to defeat Aokiji despite his magma, and Greenbull's (also arguably the weakest Admiral) regeneration allows him to come back from the Boro Breath. Here's Kaido's first on-screen Boro Breath, for reference. There's a lot further you could take this, but I understand you probably want some more concrete things to work off of, and this should be at least enough for megatons.

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@sirfizzwhizz: @cocacolaman: I'm no calc guy but it should be mentioned that Kuzan's ice is at least as durable as steel and Akainu vaporized a small mountain of said ice instantly upon contact.

His magma also matched Whitebeard's quake, which are powerful enough to shatter full mountain sized volumes of Kuzan's ice, split islands in half and tilt and section the sea, sending tsunamis many kilometres away to other islands.

All of this DC/AP talk doesn't really matter though as Godzilla has no defence against being levitated in the sky by Fujitora, either being kept their for incap or bombarded until he dies.

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Uh.... Admirals scale to characters with feats that get into Petaton to Exacton range....

I know there are variations of Gozilla which can planet bust in the comics but this doesn't seem to be one of them. Kilotons is like below Pre-Time Skip One Piece level.

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@cocacolaman: wouldn't anime only buff the admirals because of base kaido no selling the KKG? which the anime shows is around a dozen times stronger than the base Kong gun?

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@socajunkie: Yeah, I've seen a lot of the more calc-reliant users putting Whitebeard into the multi-continental to Moon range based on the magnitude of his earthquakes. Didn't think we needed to go that far yet, though.

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#16  Edited By Ryuko_Matoi77

I'm gonna say, stalemate. Here's why:

Godzilla Earth in his 50 meters states needed 5 years to charge his atomic breath and turned it into red spiral ray which destroyed Gorath. Gorath is an asteroid with 30 km in diameter and moving at few percentage of Speed of Light. Assuming it was 3%, his red spiral ray would be in range of Ronnatons, or Dwarf Star Level.

In his 300 meters state however, he can and has destroyed black holes generated by Void Ghidorah. It is confirmed in the databook that Void Ghidorah black holes is actual black holes. Void Ghidorah presence alone warp space-time and generate black holes. This would probably put his blue spiral ray from 300 meters state in Sol System Level, and his asymmetrical permeable shield scaled to his blue spiral ray.

Even if we ignore that, in 50 meters state, he vaporized Bay of Bengals and annihilate portion of Himalayan mountain ranges along with its continental plate with its atomic breath. One of the character on the film, Metphies, stated in the movie his base 300 meters state would he at least 10 - 20 times stronger than his base 50 meters state. Probably in the range of Continental.

Edit: I don't know much about the Admirals, that's why I said stalemate.

Here's the link for Void Ghidorah black hole: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/79/Void_Ghidorah_Small_Black_Holes_XZ.png/revision/latest?cb=20220922134156

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@konohana said:

Even with the higher-end results, assuming the information included is Godzilla’s best or limit even, any of the Admirals solo.

Proof? You literally brought jack shit as proof.

Easiest way to win is for Fujitora to levitate Godzilla in the sky and win by incap. Interesting trying to nerf the Admirals with anime only feats but with Z being here I'm assuming film feats are allowed to? In which case, Kizaru and Z no sold an island level blast, not that atomic breath is ever tagging the Admirals anyway.

Why wont it tag them? Unless they love jumping miles away distances? GZ wipes out whole cities with a single beam attack.

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Not to mention the Radioactivity fallout of every attack and the nuclear fires.

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Earth Godzilla is stated to put off so much radiation that the entire planet earth's ecosystem was mutated, and that the very atmosphere and water was toxic to humans. So massive proof is needed of Radiation resistance.

Their is also the Nuclear heat shield to deal with.

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Godzilla is able to generate a heat shield like attack that manipulates the molecules around him for the super heat effect. The heat shield is so hot that city block busting rail guns melted and disintegrated as soon as they touch the shield.

Plus they have no way to harm Godzilla in turn thanks to his forcefield.

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Earth Godzilla is stated able to generate a Electromagnetic shield that acts like a force field to all forms of damage.

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The only weakness of the shield was using a special counter interference wave that amplify the noise wavelength of the organ that generates the shield. This causes a fracture in the shield, and focusing on this fracture allows you to drop the shield for a very short time before it comes back up.

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The shield is strong enough to withstand 150 nuclear missiles in a single attack. America's landscape was reshape with visible craters that can be seen from space from the attack. Also stated that far weaker in power 50m in size Godzilla in the 20th Century tank a 40 Megaton Nuclear Plasma shot without damage.

@sirfizzwhizz: @cocacolaman: I'm no calc guy but it should be mentioned that Kuzan's ice is at least as durable as steel and Akainu vaporized a small mountain of said ice instantly upon contact.

His magma also matched Whitebeard's quake, which are powerful enough to shatter full mountain sized volumes of Kuzan's ice, split islands in half and tilt and section the sea, sending tsunamis many kilometres away to other islands.

All of this DC/AP talk doesn't really matter though as Godzilla has no defence against being levitated in the sky by Fujitora, either being kept their for incap or bombarded until he dies.

Yeah those are good, but...

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Godzilla collapses the mini black hole singularity, and his beam, and it still had energy to travel far out into space after that. look at the size of the energy beam to the earth itself!

@sirfizzwhizz: I don't know how much you know about OP so if anything is unclear just lmk. The "anime only" thing is weird for this thread, especially since one of the Admirals has no anime feats yet, and I'll use manga panels but I won't use anything that wasn't shown in the anime, except for Greenbull.

First off, 4/7 Admirals have a form of intangibility. Akainu is magma, Aokiji is ice, Kizaru is light and Greenbull is a forest. Don't know if Godzilla is supposed to be able to hit them, but if he's not directly allowed in this thread, it would need to be explained how he could get past their varying forms of intangibility, with Kizaru's probably being the hardest since he's literally light.

For megatons blasts, Franky took this explosion before the timeskip:

Pre-Timeskip Franky is less than fodder to the Admirals.

Fujitora, arguably the weakest Admiral (besides Z who is non-canon, and I didn't watch that movie) effectively no sold a hit from Gear 3rd Luffy. Luffy without Gears breaks cliffs by accident. If you specifically want energy feats, it took Akainu ten days to defeat Aokiji despite his magma, and Greenbull's (also arguably the weakest Admiral) regeneration allows him to come back from the Boro Breath. Here's Kaido's first on-screen Boro Breath, for reference. There's a lot further you could take this, but I understand you probably want some more concrete things to work off of, and this should be at least enough for megatons.

Megatons is like average regular blasts, as GZ can charge up for casual island to above blasts.

As for intangibility I need to see proof it works on energy attacks, as last i check energy attacks still affect Logia, and I really need to see these Logia tanking nuclear level heats (20,000 degree area) and tanking radiation energy since Logia or not they are living beings.

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#18  Edited By sirfizzwhizz
@socajunkie said:

All of this DC/AP talk doesn't really matter though as Godzilla has no defence against being levitated in the sky by Fujitora, either being kept their for incap or bombarded until he dies.

Being lifted wont mean much with beam spams and electromagnetic tail swipes raining death on the area fujitora is in. Can he even move when using his powers?

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Godzilla and it shouldn't be close since All feats in the anime trilogy are allowed

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@sirfizzwhizz:

Megatons is like average regular blasts, as GZ can charge up for casual island to above blasts.

Yeah I get that. Enel busted an island in Skypiea and while his Fruit is probably as good as the Admirals' he is extremely lacking compared to them in raw power by all implications.

As for intangibility I need to see proof it works on energy attacks, as last i check energy attacks still affect Logia, and I really need to see these Logia tanking nuclear level heats (20,000 degree area) and tanking radiation energy since Logia or not they are living beings.

Ace was surprised that fire didn't pass through Blackbeard because all Logia should be totally intangible unless they have a weakness or Haki is involved. And "intangible" really is a misnomer sometimes, because while some characters are intangible, others are still solid but it just doesn't hurt their physical bodies. They also have the ability to warp their bodies around attacks, though that doesn't really matter against Godzilla's large-scale attacks.

For heat, Aokiji didn't go down to Akainu for ten days, and Akainu melted metal by total accident. For radiation, the best I can think of is Law's Gamma Knife, which Doflamingo took well enough. The Gamma Knife is based on the real life gamma knife surgery method.

I know I'm doing a lot of scaling but I cannot emphasize enough that the Admirals are tiers above these characters, or else I wouldn't use them so confidently.

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#21  Edited By sirfizzwhizz

@cocacolaman: The gamma knife means what though? Godzilla irradiated the world, mutating all life in it, with his radiation, and puts out stated nuke radiation energy. The Gamma knife is how powerful in radiation exactly? Gamma rays of Radiation is not some measurement, its just gamma rays. Radiation damage to living things is base on Rads you absorb, not the type being Gamma, Beta, or Alpha doesn't matter. Nuclear blasts have radiation fallout to instant radiation poison a foe, and more rads from subsequent blasts mean more rads stack on to instant organ shut down. fighting in a environment of such radiation fallout stacking with every blast is going to not only slow down the Admirals real quick in speed, but hinder them completely with rotting organs, vomiting, blood issues, and brain damage in short time frame.

Logia sounds no limits fallacy, I want to see these characters tank atomic electromagnetic attacks that end singularities and blast well into space. Burning at temperatures that melt mountains down otherwise pretty much no limits fallacy arguments.

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@sirfizzwhizz:

Who are you talking to? Me?

I just said that megaton-level energy isn’t enough to defeat the Admirals. Radiation might be able to do them in, but I’m sure there’s stuff against it.

Also, calm down.

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@konohana: calm down about what? I was not yelling or mad at ya.

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Admirals win?

Kind of a bad matchup situation I think.

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I change my mind. Godzilla Earth should won.

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Admirals take it.

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#29  Edited By Konohana

@sirfizzwhizz said:

@konohana: calm down about what? I was not yelling or mad at ya.

The way you typed it made me feel otherwise.

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@konohana said:

@sirfizzwhizz said:

@konohana: calm down about what? I was not yelling or mad at ya.

The way you typed it made me feel otherwise.

Im always aggressive in my comments, naturally so. if you debate me enough times, you will get used to that.

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@sirfizzwhizz said:

@konohana said:

@sirfizzwhizz said:

@konohana: calm down about what? I was not yelling or mad at ya.

The way you typed it made me feel otherwise.

Im always aggressive in my comments, naturally so. if you debate me enough times, you will get used to that.

Lol, I’ve debated you so many times - more than you could ever realize, but you’ve only gotten that way when someone disagrees with what you’re arguing for.

Anyways, I’m not interested in debating in this thread to the fullest extent. I was just commenting based off the evidence you’d provided.

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#32  Edited By sirfizzwhizz

@konohana: different account then? But yeah if you disagree with me i get aggressive :) Thats accurate.

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@sirfizzwhizz said:

@konohana: different account then? But yeah if you disagree with me i get aggressive :) Thats accurate.

Yeah, and lol.

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#34 mr_ingenuity  Moderator

Godzilla doesn't seem to have a win condition.

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Godzilla doesn't seem to have a win condition.

Radiation kills admirals. Win. Thats if the NLF of admirals surviving Godzilla blasts that are well beyond one piece is believed.

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#36 mr_ingenuity  Moderator

Radiation kills admirals. Win. Thats if the NLF of admirals surviving Godzilla blasts that are well beyond one piece is believed.

Radiation won't kill a character made of photons. You're arguing Godzilla is mountain level in power. That's fodder to the weakest among the Admirals.

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#37  Edited By Ryuko_Matoi77

@mr_ingenuity: > Mountain level

That's a gross downplay when he's at 50 meters states vaporizes the entire Bay of Bengals and annihilate portion of Himalayan ranges along with its continental plate.

And 300 meters state of him who can destroy one piece Earth by firing his blue spiral ray, which destroyed 3 Black Holes generated by Void Ghidorah.

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#38 mr_ingenuity  Moderator

@ryuko_matoi77: My reply was to sirfizz who is making the argument that 2.5 megatons nukes leveling mini mountain formations is impressive. Both of which would be unimpressive for an Admiral. The feats you are citing isn't what he's arguing.

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#40  Edited By socajunkie  Moderator
@sirfizzwhizz said:

Being lifted wont mean much with beam spams and electromagnetic tail swipes raining death on the area fujitora is in. Can he even move when using his powers?

Fujitora exceeds the speed of the light quite easily and those weak attacks aren't much compared to the Admirals as you've been told multiple times.

As for moving while using his powers: yes, he's had an extended fight with Luffy whilst floating a city in the air.

Why wont it tag them? Unless they love jumping miles away distances?

Kizaru has indeed jumped miles away at the speed of light in a fight lol

GZ wipes out whole cities with a single beam attack.

This isn't impressive. Z and Kizaru took no damage from an island level attack.

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No haki lol

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#42  Edited By sirfizzwhizz

@mr_ingenuity:

Radiation won't kill a character made of photons. You're arguing Godzilla is mountain level in power. That's fodder to the weakest among the Admirals.

Mountain level is a fraking lie and you know it. I posted better than mountain in my last post already. Secondly, prove Kizaru who eats, sleeps, and has biological functions like seeing and talking, ect is immune to radiation. prove it. Photons cannot see, hear, talk, eat, sleep, or have a physical body when not in Logia form. Prove it.

@mr_ingenuity said:

@ryuko_matoi77: My reply was to sirfizz who is making the argument that 2.5 megatons nukes leveling mini mountain formations is impressive. Both of which would be unimpressive for an Admiral. The feats you are citing isn't what he's arguing.

I posted better feats than 2 megaton since then though. Thats his casual blasts, not even better ones. His casual blasts are akin to One Piece better attacks. GZ Earth best attacks exceed anything in One Piece.

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Godzilla collapses the mini black hole singularity, and his beam travels far out into space after that. These are also stated confirm space and time bending blackholes.

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Ghidorah generates a stated a real world naturally occurring singularity that bends time and space with its very gravitational presence.

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Stated that the Singularities have Ergospheres. Ergospheres is the region outside of rotating black holes.

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Ghidorah generates singularities on earth to attack Godzilla via its dimension. so already we have a feat Far superior to ANYTHING in One Piece. I can add more too like these.

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The weaker 50 meter Godzilla was able to use his atomic beam to melt part of the Himalaya mountains and same attack after that also wipe out the Bay of Bengal as well. Thats country busting stuff right there. All this after 2000 Megatons, aka 2 Teratons mind ya, were detonated on Godzilla to begin with to bury him at the mountains tectonic plate fault.

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Godzilla with two casual blasts wipes out the Nanometal made Mechagodzilla City. Nanometal is more durable than anything on earth, and able to withstand lava temperature heats with little issue. How durable is this city made of nano metal? This nano metal is impossible by physics strength, and again diffuses heat energy, yet for all its strength and heat diffusing a single charge blast wrecks it.

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In the Godzilla prequel canon novels for the Anime, Gorath was a 30km in diameter asteroid with the same mass and weight of the moon in its tiny form. The weaker 50m Godzilla after two years of charging use a beam that flew 300km into space blowing up Gorath denser moon mass, and wrecked half the surface of Earth in the blow back of the beam. Current version Godzilla Earth is stated as in fact six times stronger than the Godzilla that was able to pull this off. Godzilla Earth has 1000 years of charging at this point of the events of Godzilla anime and is stated 6 times stronger than his 50m size self in 20th contrary.

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There is also the heat damage factor and radiation.Which One Piece has no answer for.

@socajunkie:

Fujitora exceeds the speed of the light quite easily and

Who cares about speed when the battlefield is covered in gamma rays and nuclear fire in seconds?

those weak attacks aren't much compared to the Admirals as you've been told multiple times.

Prove it. Not one of you OP fans showed a feat comparable to what i shown. Or any feat for that matter. You know how this game works.

As for moving while using his powers: yes, he's had an extended fight with Luffy whilst floating a city in the air.

Doesnt change much, he is running through miles of radiation fallout and nuclear fire. Still dead. Also has his power work on electromagnetic fields?

Kizaru has indeed jumped miles away at the speed of light in a fight lol

Then he is not contributing to the fight. His best attacks are close range and he is not doing shit for damage on the EM field now is he? So....

This isn't impressive. Z and Kizaru took no damage from an island level attack.

Thats not the point though lol. The point was to show Godzilla has large AOE of effect with a single attack and how the battle field be a nuclear gamma ray radiation fire death zone in the first attack. Admirals cannot swim in the ocean and on the land they are on is now deadly to them.

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#43  Edited By Ryuko_Matoi77

@sirfizzwhizz: correction

It wasn't 6 times stronger, but 10 times stronger if I'm not wrong methpies stated in the second movie.

Oh, to added, he also vaporizes Bay of Bengals with a single atomic breath in his 50 meters state.

Edit: Gorath also moved at few percentage of speed of light. Assuming 3% SoL would be fair I suppose.

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King Ghidorah comes in and one shots everyone Xd

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@sirfizzwhizz: correction

It wasn't 6 times stronger, but 10 times stronger if I'm not wrong methpies stated in the second movie.

Oh, to added, he also vaporizes Bay of Bengals with a single atomic breath in his 50 meters state.

Edit: Gorath also moved at few percentage of speed of light. Assuming 3% SoL would be fair I suppose.

The can I put in is direct quote is off from the subtitles. Unless the japan translation was off.

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#46 mr_ingenuity  Moderator

@sirfizzwhizz:

Mountain level is a fraking lie and you know it.

Did your first post in this thread not have mountain level feats?

I posted better than mountain in my last post already.

I didn't pay it any attention, mountain level is such a low starting point I didn't bother.

Secondly, prove Kizaru who eats, sleeps, and has biological functions like seeing and talking, ect is immune to radiation. prove it. Photons cannot see, hear, talk, eat, sleep, or have a physical body when not in Logia form. Prove it.

Logia are passively their element Rayleigh was only able to touch Kizaru because he had Haki.

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Also it isn't an ability they have to turn on as it has shown to work during sleep.

So in short Logia's will be their element no matter what Gozilla can do to them. However their are ways around this as stated in the above scan. Such as elemental weaknesses e.g. Crocodile being wet.

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#47  Edited By sirfizzwhizz
@mr_ingenuity said:

Secondly, prove Kizaru who eats, sleeps, and has biological functions like seeing and talking, ect is immune to radiation. prove it. Photons cannot see, hear, talk, eat, sleep, or have a physical body when not in Logia form. Prove it.

Logia are passively their element Rayleigh was only able to touch Kizaru because he had Haki.

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Also it isn't an ability they have to turn on as it has shown to work during sleep.

So in short Logia's will be their element no matter what Gozilla can do to them. However their are ways around this as stated in the above scan. Such as elemental weaknesses e.g. Crocodile being wet.

So your argument is no limits fallacy instead actual proof. well hard to argue NLF.

I guess Galactus cannot harm logia since he has no haki. This argument is as stupid as Bleach fans trying to argue Soul crush in threads and you damn well know it. example, logia still need to breath right? They drown if fallen into the ocean right? So nuclear fire burning all the oxygen wont hinder them on the battlefield?

I mean the no limits fallacy arguments dont hold up, more so for radioactive nuclear fire and electromagnetic fields all at play against them.

Godzilla can bust space time altering singularities, but noooo, Logia is too much than space time? You can see my bewilderness here right Mr_I?

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#48  Edited By mr_ingenuity  Moderator
@sirfizzwhizz said:

So your argument is no limits fallacy instead actual proof. well hard to argue NLF.

I guess Galactus cannot harm logia since he has no haki. This argument is as stupid as Bleach fans trying to argue Soul crush in threads and you damn well know it.

Godzilla can bust space time altering singularities, but noooo, Logia is too much than space time? You can see my bewilderness here right Mr_I?

I didn't state they can't be hurt just that they will be their element regardless what Godzilla does. Not that I believe Godzilla could harm photons that can move FTL.

Is Galactus in this battle? Just because Godzilla doesn't have a method to beat a Logia doesn't mean all other powersets are ineffective. Galactus has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, and telepathy. The moment you use Galactus as an example you've admitted defeat.

You're bewildered because you're struggling to properly make your arguments. If you lead with how Godzilla can harm them in spite of their elemental bodies then you would have an easier time.

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@mr_ingenuity:

I didn't state they can't be hurt just that they will be their element regardless what Godzilla does. Not that I believe Godzilla could harm photons that can move FTL.

And electromagnetic does not affect Photons? You need to go back to six grade science, its does.

Is Galactus in this battle? Just because Godzilla doesn't have a method to beat a Logia doesn't mean all other powersets are ineffective. Galactus has matter manipulation, energy manipulation, and telepathy. The moment you use Galactus as an example you've admitted defeat.

I admitted defeat when logia users have no proof to tank radiation, energy attacks that destroy space time singularities in impossible fashion, or burning the air that clearly Logia users need to breath? Riiiight.

You're bewildered because you're struggling to properly make your arguments. If you lead with how Godzilla can harm them in spite of their elemental bodies then you would have an easier time.

I already did. Your just using NLF from my perspective here.

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#50  Edited By mr_ingenuity  Moderator

@sirfizzwhizz:

And electromagnetic does not affect Photons? You need to go back to six grade science, its does.

Not enough to suggest it could harm a character made of photons that moves at speeds faster than light. See now you're having a proper back and forth.

I admitted defeat when logia users have no proof to tank radiation, energy attacks that destroy space time singularities in impossible fashion, or burning the air that clearly Logia users need to breath? Riiiight.

You opted to argue a NLF instead of making arguments on why that wouldn't work. That's the thing I'd expect from someone who lacks proper argumentation.

Now seeing you make arguments instead of spouting NLF there are things I disagree with, agree with and questions I have.

Radiation wouldn't harm a logia. As you probably know radiation does harm to life by damaging dna, cells and other natural processes. Logia's elemental bodies aren't cells. What more proof do you need that these character are elements?

Are you arguing that Godzilla energy attacks have some esoteric ability to damage spacetime? In that case I would agree it the beam could harm or kill a logia. But it becomes a case of can Godzilla tag them. If not then I would argue that some Admirals being casually continental would over power this energy attack. The attack that you placed at country busting.

I don't think their is definitive proof logia's need to breath. They have devil fruit weakness so drowning any of them would work. However Enel flew to the moon, traveling through the vacuum shows air isn't necessary even though they breath.

I already did. Your just using NLF from my perspective here.

I'm only now seeing them.