Dumbledore vs Voldemort (read OP)

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#1 Edited by marvelfan1992 (3500 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: No Elder Wand for either wizard

Round 2: Voldemort has the Elder Wand

Bonus round: Voldemort has the Elder Wand but Albus has his body from when he was in his younger years (around the time of Fantastic Beasts)

Both wizards are going for the kill, no holding back

Location: an empty field in the countryside

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#2 Posted by Thatoneguy887 (1098 posts) - - Show Bio

Dumbledore all rounds

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#3 Posted by Richubs (7502 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't like how much people underestimate Voldemort.

Voldemort isn't winning the first round but the second round is 49/51 in Dumbledore's favour.

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#4 Posted by All_The_Way (35 posts) - - Show Bio

It can go either way but Dumbledore will always be the favorite

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#5 Posted by marvelfan1992 (3500 posts) - - Show Bio

@richubs: people underestimate Voldemort? How so? Haven't read a lot of the HP threads

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#6 Posted by Kilius (1678 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1. Probably still Dumbledore, though there's no way to really know.

Round 2. Logically Voldemort, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Dumbledore still won.

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#7 Posted by Richubs (7502 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelfan1992: People act like there is a big gap between Voldemort and Dumbledore.

Dumbledore took hours and hours to win against Grindelwald and Voldemort is said to be the greatest dark wizard of all time.

Imo he's closer to Dumbledore than Grindelwald was.

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#8 Posted by Richard96 (5929 posts) - - Show Bio

Albus takes one, but Tom takes two. A younger body won’t help Albus.

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#9 Edited by LimitlessSigil (4616 posts) - - Show Bio

Albus all three rounds

Round 1

Self explanatory

Round 2

Dumbledore beat Grindelwald who had the Elder Wand, don't see why he couldn't do the same with Voldemort.

Round 3

A younger body would definitely favor Albus, reaction speed is a key factor in duels and having a younger body would increase that.

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#10 Posted by RabumAlal (5430 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1 - Dumby

Round 2 - I don’t think an old Dumbledore should be able to beat a Tom with the Elder Wand.

Bonus- Young Dumby but is a looong duel.

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#12 Posted by AlphaQ (6759 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is book version, Dumbledore wins all rounds. Dumbledore was honestly stomping Voldemort in the books, he would've killed him in a few spells if he hadn't used non-burning fire to attempt to incapacitate Riddle and had instead just burned him to death. He also expended some of his resources when he sent his animated soldiers away and never took the fight seriously, since he knew he couldn't permanently kill Voldemort.

The Elder Wand doesn't seem to provide much of an improvement in the books, Grindelwald was only slightly less skilled than Dumbledore and he still lost. The Wand was just powerful enough to paint a target on the back of the wielder but not so powerful that they are not vulnerable to the attentions of enemy wizards.

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#13 Posted by Spiders13 (466 posts) - - Show Bio

Dummydore wins both rounds.

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#15 Posted by Kilius (1678 posts) - - Show Bio

@alphaq:

he would've killed him in a few spells

*cough*Horcruxes

non-burning fire to attempt to incapacitate Riddle and had instead just burned him to death.

An oxymoron. No where does it state that the fire was non-burning. If he used fire it's presumed it burns unless stated otherwise, which in this case it isn't. Voldy wasn't burned because he transfigured the fire in time.

He also expended some of his resources

These are 'his resources' that he won't have in an empty courtroom. It's illrelivant.

never took the fight seriously

He was calm and in control, but it doesn't mean he wasn't taking it seriously. Not saying Dumby wasn't winning but give Voldy some credit, he did counter Dumby's every attempt to incapacitate him: The statue that came at him, evaded by disapperating. Dumbedore's counterspell, blocked with a shield he conjured. The fire whip, transfigured into a snake that he sent at Dumbledore along with another killing curse which Dumby had to use Fawkes to counter while he dealt with the snake; now it's debatable as to whether or not Dumby needed Fawkes, but the fact that he used an outside source definitely calls into question as to whether or not he could have dealt with both threats by himself. The water cocoon, escaped via disapperating. They both countered each other's spells and while Dumby seemed to be a little more in control, he never actually subdued Voldy and he had help from Fawkes. He didn't come close to stomping Voldy, though he probably would have won eventually.

since he knew he couldn't permanently kill Voldemort.

Well there you go. Dumby wasn't trying to kill Voldy because he knew he couldn't. Doesn't mean he wasn't doing everything he could to incapacitate him, as it he tried with fire and water, which could have easily killed a regular mortal via burning or drowning(even if you dispute the fire whip, there is little denying the water cocoon would have suffocated him, had he not escaped).

The Elder Wand doesn't seem to provide much of an improvement in the books, Grindelwald was only slightly less skilled than Dumbledore and he still lost.

Which just goes to show how much better Dumby is than Grindel. The Wand was hyped pretty big in the books, no reason to assume it doesn't provide a significant magical advantage. We know from Harry's use of it that spells are much more powerful. It's definitely an advantage to any wizard who has, though Dumby may very well still beat Voldy, via skill.

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#16 Edited by BreakOfDawn (2646 posts) - - Show Bio

Dumbledore all rounds. More skilled and more powerful. Considering that he was holding back in OOTP, I'd hate to see a bloodlusted Albus.

R1: Dumbledore in a good fight.

R2: Really close match but Albus wins again on account of superior speed.

R3: Dumbledore again, only this time with more ease than the last one (maybe both of them, in fact).

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#17 Edited by marvelfan1992 (3500 posts) - - Show Bio

@kilius: but didn't you know?! apparently despite all the glaring evidence that Albus had the EW, there is no factual proof or statement saying he was actually using it in his fight with Voldemort therefore you cannot assume he was using it

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#18 Posted by vengefulshot (2326 posts) - - Show Bio

Dumbledore high dif round 1 and 3. Round 2 could go either way.

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#19 Edited by ArkhamAsylum3 (3920 posts) - - Show Bio

Dumbledore all rounds.

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#20 Posted by marvelfan1992 (3500 posts) - - Show Bio

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#21 Posted by AlexTheBoss (19615 posts) - - Show Bio

R1: Dumbledore in a good fight

R2: Voldemort wins. He already gave Dumbledore with the elder wand a run for his money, I don't see why if he had the elder wand and Dumbledore didn't (a buff to him while also a nerf to Dumbledore) he wouldn't win.

Bonus round: Idk, I'll wait for the fantastic beast movies to end before deciding on this.

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#22 Posted by AlexTheBoss (19615 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 2

Dumbledore beat Grindelwald who had the Elder Wand, don't see why he couldn't do the same with Voldemort.

Because Voldemort is stronger than Grindelwald.

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#23 Posted by JoshTaku (315 posts) - - Show Bio

If we don't take into factor that voldemort can't be killed without going through the horcruxes, then here's what I say:

round 1: dumbledore wins

Round 2: It would be a very tough fight. Voldy has a decisive advantage with the elder wand but I could still see dumbledore pulling a win here.

Round 3: Dumbledore would pull a win. He bested Grindelwald who was using the elder wand at the time. Voldy would prove to be a tougher challenge but I can still see him overcoming voldy.

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#24 Posted by thebluedragon20 (207 posts) - - Show Bio

Dumbledore all rounds. I never saw the elder wand as that big of a factor. Dumbledore is more skilled, more powerful, and more experienced. With his younger body, he will be better physically as well.

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#25 Posted by BreakOfDawn (2646 posts) - - Show Bio

Dumbledore all rounds. People really need to stop wanking the Ministry fight in Voldemort's favour. Tom has the edge in speed, nothing more, and this was when Albus was holding back by a fair margin. With his morals removed, he wins all rounds pretty decisively.

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