Dumbledore, Voldemort and Grindlewald vs Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman

The greatest wizards in the HP universe vs the cream of the cream of JL. Who would win?

Location: Asgard (making it neutral)

Conditions:

All powers allowed, everyone knows everyone's strengths and weaknesses. 1 day prep time.

@richard96: will it be that easy? I am curious why you think so! I'd probably lean towards the wizards. Don't think Batman can keep it up for long and soon it will become 3 vs 2 in favor of wizards...could Superman take on Dumbledore AND Voldemort at once? Too much magic for him IMO.

@wonderwomanfan3: Are you serious? Superman blitzes. No matter how much prep wizards have, they can’t react to light speeds.

They can apparate and disapparate and create protective enchantments though.

@wonderwomanfan3: While they’re frozen in superman’s perception and he can one shot either one of them?

There's 1 day prep time though, plenty of time to have all their protective enchantments already in place. Plus they could procure Kryptonite magically as well.

@wonderwomanfan3: Yeah, Batman with 1 day prep has enormously better feats than these guys do.

@lfrankthetank27: That's a fair point, still I don't see it being the massive "lolstomp", especially given JL's MVP's less than impressive feats against Godly magic.

Yes Batman with prep is a fair point @richard96 I am just skeptical about the "no way the wizards can react to them" given the prep time and given the fact that these are literally the magical GOATs up against someone who has shown vulnerability to magic even below those levels.

...lol

Lock this.

@wonderwomanfan3: It doesn’t matter the Prep time they have. Wizards don’t have the resources to make their reaction time suddenly FTL. They also have human durability, meaning a punch from Supes or ww will literally make them explode.

DCEU Batman doesn't really have many prep feats.

I'm leaning towards the wizards because of prep. The amount of protective enchantments they can put up is insane. Plus, they can get access to magical artifacts, maybe even Kryptonite.

@geekryan: Um, this is comic superman.

@lfrankthetank27: oops

Then JL win. If it was DCEU, wizards win.

Yeah... no. One day prep isn't going to give the wizards sudden hypersonic reaction times. Any evidence that they won't get their heads sliced off by mach 3+ wonder woman. They would be frozen in superman's perception. And don't say shields. Do their shields have feats that say they can survive hits like this.

A recent calc done by @ad-arts placed this punch with a force of 9,000+ tons. The wizard's shields would get broken instantly by punches like this.

Also, even if supes doesn't open like this, what are the wizards gonna do to him when he uses super speed?

Team 2 due to speed.

@ifrankthetank28:

The wizards ain't losing to the DCEU Trinity.

• They will start off invisible (using camouflage spells and perhaps the invisibility cloak), each with some Felix Felicis (luck potion),
• Voldemort and Grindelwalt will then mind-control Batman into using Kryptonite against Clark, and there is actually a fair chance that Imperio will also work on Superman and Wonder Woman. If it works on Diana but not on Clark, she can cut him up with the sword.
• If they can retrieve a time-turner, the trinity is definitely done for, considering that the wizards can just turn back time and pick their opponents off when they are at their weakest.

@bladeoffury: LMAO. If Batman and ww try to betray superman, they can kiss their asses goodbye. Supes wouldn’t take any chances with kryptonite again, and he would one shot bats. He already wrecked WW. He then goes into super speed mode and one shots with his 9,000 ton punch.

Team 2. Supes blitz and Wonder Woman just humiliates them.

Diana was holding back greatly in her fight with Clark, and was not willing to use the sword. Bruce and Diana will catch Clark by surprise, and that combined with Felix Felicis' luck, they should be able to do it. And what is to say that the spell won't work on Clark himself?

And how is Supes going to touch what he can't see?

The wizards can also extract Kryptonite from the room of requirement.

@bladeoffury: If diana was holding back, So was Supes. He never used fully winded up haymakers and Diana never really hurt him. He quite casually walked through all of her attacks. Like not at full effort at all. How will the wizards tag something while they are in slow motion. Wizards have slightly above human reaction time. Supes is hypersonic

Lol the wizards get uberstomp

@lfrankthetank27:

Supes was about to kill Batman, he wasn't holding back. And how does that matter exactly? The point is that Diana was unwilling to use the sword, and if the shield she tagged him with was replaced by it, no more Supes. Don't forget that in this battle, she has the element of surprise and luck on her side.

How will the wizards tag something while they are in slow motion? By shooting Clark with enchantments while remaining invisible. Clark wouldn't go around blitzing something he can't see.

@ifrankthetank28: you must know close to nothing about the HP-verse...

1) It isn't specified otherwise, therefore, I'm going to assume it is the standard versions of all characters. Which means Voldemort has his Horcruxes, which would need to be known, located, and destroyed through magical means in order to kill Voldemort.

2) Since they are aware of everyone's weaknesses, that means they will know about Kryptonite. Kryptonite can be created through transfiguration. That means they can take a rock and transfigure it into another element, AKA Kryptonite. They could easily create massive amounts of Kryptonite this way.

3) The day of prep can be used to gather fodder: giants, statues, Death Eaters, etc. Obviously the fodder wouldn't be a huge threat but would serve as distractions.

4) You're underestimating the strength of shields. Four wizards made this large and powerful of a shield in minutes, and it withstood hundreds of SHIELD-PENETRATING SPELLS. It took Voldemort's power and the Elder Wand to destroy it, and the amount of energy needed to do so was so massive that it cracked the most powerful wand in existence. A shield by the 3 most powerful wizards ever would be much stronger.

5) This same shield disintegrated people on contact. Although Superman has superhuman durability, this is a magical effect, not a physical one. And again, a shield by the 3 most powerful wizards to ever live would be even stronger.

6) As @bladeoffury pointed out, they could start the fight invisible (through spells and the Invisibility Cloak), they could acquire and use Felix Felicis (luck potion), and could acquire a time turner, which would allow them to go back in time, catch them by surprise, and kill them off one at a time.

7) Since all powers are allowed, this would allow for the use of the Imperius Curse (to control their minds and turn them against each other) and the Killing Curse (to instant kill).

8) All 3 wizards are capable of apparating, AKA teleporting. This teleportation happens instantaneously. It would allow them to avoid attacks and reposition.

9) What are they going to do against Superman's speed?

So please, go ahead and try to counter all my points :)

@geekryan: since it isn't specified I'm guessing it is current comic versions which means Batman has the hellbat and the other two are easily able to overpower the trio without help. Let's look at some facts here.

Teleportation: Ok teleportation in HP has very little combat capabilities the fact is that if it is used in distress they are splinched and if lucky only lose a chunk of skin. So if they are blitzed well not gonna work.

Invisibility: Superman can easily hear them under any spells or cloaks. The spells do little to hinder sound which Superman has superb hearing and would hear them and end them.

Shields: even if it we take the NLF and say it would disintegrate them since they have full Knowledge Superman and Batman can release range attacks that would break the shields.

Stopping their speed: Superman can dodge the spell easily or outright blitz before they can draw their wands.

Kryptonite: with a day of prep and knowledge Batman would be aware that the wizards might try that trick so he would have Superman wear a lead lined armor.

The Elder Wand: I'm pretty sure it was a way to show that Voldemort wasn't the true owner so the wand was rejecting him.

Horcruxes: yeah great Voldemort doesn't die well that is assuming that there isn't a dimensional gap that blocks them. Even if Voldemort would be a powerless ghost and would be in all intents incapacitated.

@seagod: you realize I'm talking about DCEU, right...?

@geekryan: you never really specified and when no clear versions are specified in the op you usually take the most current comic version.

@seagod: if you bothered to read my previous post and the posts of the user with who am I debating, you would have known.

Sorry, but I feel the need to address these.

1. None of these three own invisibility cloaks, and for all of his planning, Voldemort never had the foresight to do this at any point when prepping against Harry and the rest of Hogwarts. Never got any Felix for himself, either. This type of planning is heavily OOC.

2. All of the mind control spells in HP can be fought off with sheer willpower. (as seen when Harry himself does it) Batman's willpower alone is far more impressive than Harry's, so if Harry can fight off Voldy's Imperius Curse, then so can he.

3. Superman in the past is still miles faster and stronger than anything any of these three can handle. And if you're talking about the old "kill them as babies" option, good luck Apparating all the way to Krypton.

As for the arguments of "teleportation" and "dealing with their speed", if someone can hit you before your brain can so much as fire off a single thought, then teleportation is useless. You need to be able to see what you're teleporting away from, and in this fight, none of these three will be able to.

@geekryan: woops must have got you confused with a different user while reading the thread. Several people talking about the comics and othera the dceu.

Clark blitzes the wizards.

Superman could follow the flash. The spells will never hit him and he can blitz.

Trinity.

Heroes stomp.

Superman and Wonder Woman(anyways an absolutely hilarious idea to put up weak wizards against her XD...) each sologigastomp.

@lfrankthetank27: Can I see the calcs that puts that at 9,000 tons?

1. What, Dumbledore can't borrow it from Harry? There are also camouflage spells, allowing them to become practically invisible. Voldemort didn't use the spell because the wizards can easily counter it, and Dumbledore is now on the team.

2. What makes you say that Batman has greater willpower than Harry? Many other aurors failed to resist the curse, and those who have managed took years to master the defense (ex. Barty Crouch Jr).

3. The wizards can kill Superman when he was lying beat up by Batman, under the affects of kryptonite. Superman was motionless. They can kill Batman any time they want. Same with Diana, they can take her by surprise, and perhaps use transfiguration, or maybe sectumsempra.

The wizards will be invisible - Superman won't go around at super speed punching empty air.

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Here is my plan of action, and considering that Dumbledore is much smarter than me, he can think of at least that:

• Use prep to obtain the invisibility cloak, felix felicis, a boggart, and maybe a time turner. Before the battle starts, they all take the Felix Felicis, one of them puts on the cloak, and the other two either cast camouflage spells, or turn into small animals. Put the bogart in a closet on the battlefield.
• When the trinity comes, unleash the bogart. He will turn into their worst fears, acting as a perfect distraction. If they can obtain a time turner with prep, turn back time to when Superman was weakened by Batman's kryptonite, when Batman was off guard in the Wayne mansion, and when Diana was K.O.ed by Superman's head-butt. If the time-tuner is unattainable, they wizards will use the boggart's distraction to shoot some spells. The wizards know the limits of their magic and whether it will work on Clark and Diana, so they will choose the spells that will. Some options are Imperio (mind-control may work on everyone), Sectumsempra (cutting will work on Diana and Bruce), Impedimenta (neutralizes Clark and Diana's speed), and of course, transfiguration.

Batman solos

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@chaos239:

"Superman (Assuming DCEU here) could hear Lois banging concrete while underwater over Diana fighting Doomsday and HP invisibility spells don't account for sounds."

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Muffliato

"Bruce has went through much more traumatic things than Harry."

Literally L O L. Harry has gone through much worse in his life by the age of 17 than Bruce has gone through in his much longer life.

"Clark rams right through the fake Doomsday or Lex Luthor, Bruce dodges their attacks and kills them no matter what not to mention the Time Turner is OOC, Clark oneshots them and the Boggart instantly, they will all be dead."

It's a Boggart. It isn't something you can punch away. It can only be removed by magical means, and only one spell in particular.

With prep and the 3 most powerful wizards in existence (one of which is pure good, one of which is pure evil, and one of which is good turned evil), nothing is OOC for them in a fight like this.

And just to make it clear: I'm talking DCEU here. DC Trinity would win against the wizards 100%.

Prep wizards could win against the DCEU Supes and WW as long as they don't try to apporach the fight head on, in which case they'd get their heads blitzed off.

Batman knows everyone's powers AND has a day of prep?

He makes some calls to Zatanna, JC, Etrigan, and Dr. Fate and procures artifacts to use that'd make Voldemort piss his pants. Plus, Batman is no stranger to magic. Maybe don't give him any prep so this is fair.

Also, invisibility means nothing to Superman. He fought against Zod, Eradicator, and someone else (was it Metallo?) all while blind in recent issues of Rebirth, and held his own for a while. These are people who could also kill the magician trio before they could think. And considering it was Rebirth, it was a rather weak version of Clark. Assuming he also knows their abilities, and knows they know HIS weakness, he isn't gonna screw around and let them shine green rocks at him. Even if they did, WW would get rid of any kryptonite before they knew what happened.