New Sun killing a featless phoenix is akin to King Hyperion killing of a featless Galactus. Or Zombie Hulk killing Surfer, Thanos, Firelord, Jean with the Phoenix Force, Galactus, etc... Sounds impressive right? Yep when all the characters are featless weaksauce and that same Zombie Hulk got one-shotted by Ultimate Thing.
Killing featless characters is NEVER going to be impressive.
The more i see from New Sun the less impressed i am, this character literally did nothing worth of note.
The only barely quantifiable feat is him wiping the surface of his reality Earth which took him hours to do and he also needed to combine other powers with his own, so actually even that is not really quantifiable, although it tells us a lot about his power level which apparently isn't planetary level unless he gets outside help and even then it takes him actual hours to cover an entire planet.
So how some people think he is on or above Surfers level blows my mind, when Surfer is a casual planet buster.
This guy would be fodderized by Hulk or Thor, let alone Surfer.
@xearesay: He changed a single element from the past which resulted in "resetting the metaverse", thanks for not skipping context to make Dr Manhattan looks better.
Is stable sentry better than the void because I'd put manhattan over new sun gambit , silver surfer and iceman(without question). I kinda agree with Azmoddan beating featless characters Isn't super impressive. Like in zombies when they ate the silver surfer I can't consider an alternate versions on par with standard 616 characters.That's why I downplay new sun but thats just mho
@theanimal666: Lol point me to where he altered the past in these scans.
Please point it out.
He killed Alan Scott before he could become The Green Lantern as a consequence of this action the JSA never formed and he also caused the deaths of Superman's Earth Parents
@gentlemantophat: That doesn’t support Animal666’s counter argument. My claim was that Manhattan reset the Metaverse. Not altered it. That scan also isn’t from the same feat Animal666 threw a counter argument at.
I gave you the scans of Manhattan of resetting the Metaverse. I basically gave you your own form of evidence. Use your eyes to look at the scans and use your fingers to tell me where you see Manhattan altering the past.
@theanimal666: It’s Earth 0 which is a meta world centering every Multiverse. Not even Mr Mxyzptlks power can affect it. If Mxy’s power can’t do it, no one here can.
@theanimal666: It’s Earth 0 which is a meta world centering every Multiverse. Not even Mr Mxyzptlks power can affect it. If Mxy’s power can’t do it, no one here can.
The asspull is about Mxy not able to affect it, the metaverse acted the same with everyone including Manhattan like rebooting it and sending a new Superman.
You aren't giving any sort of argument here that could help your side.
@theanimal666: When did it act the same? The Metaverse isn’t a regular universe. Manhattan went out of his way to tell us this.
You’re the one who doesn’t actually have anything to support your argument. All you have is reality denial which seems to be a trend on this site.
The Metaverse is Superman's original universe...
"Reality denial" sure dude.
On one hand we have a guy affecting a single universe and dying after using up all of his energy, on the other hand we have one guy whom danced with a Genis Vell capable to destroy all realities, beat Molecule Man and survived his best shots, and is said to be able to beat Franklin Richards, and is immortal.
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Beating strong opponents >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanking the shit out of a character.
This is as summarised as I gets mate, this covers the button saga spanning 6 comics 3 batman comics and 3 the flash comics. Relevant points in the doomsday clock and I rushed the explanation on Flash Forward which spans also 6 comics references Doomsday clock and Justice League Darkseid War mainly justice league (2011) issue 50 which was the beginning of rebirth once the mobius chair wielder was killed. And I made the assumption you listened to Xearesay when he said manhattan reset the universe meta verse by destroying it and I explained that it was the second time he destroyed a universe and that Dr. M holds back against non-credible threats since Wally with he’s power destroyed a multiversal universe. All of this is explained I’m not explaining it again and stopping a dark matter infection and multiversal destruction.
@theanimal666: @xearesay: Yo boss Xearesay I got some evidence we can use to to splash on this monkey Lol.
Aight you demonic animal and normal people.
So to start of let me draw your attentiom to the comedian. The comedian was a hero turned eco-terrorist in the world of the watchmen and he’s also the owner of the smiley faced button. In batman (volume 3 rebirth) issue 21 Batman discovers the smiley faced button and, for unknown reasons a strange power is resonating from it. The blood is from when Ozymandias killed the comedian. That is why the batcomputer cant find a genetic match.
Upon realising that the button may be from another earth the reverse-flash shows up and quickly bashes batman, he then takes the button and is transported to another location. When he returns to the batcave he says he saw God and dies.
The issue ends with the flash arriving and finding a dead Eobard Thawne and an unconscious Batman. At this moment in the story it was pure speculation on who did this to Thawne.
In Flash (volume 5 rebirth) issue 21 the flash arrives on the scene and is curious on as to what occured. Being a detective Barry asks Batman what occured and he tells him that Thawne beat him up and took the button which transported him somewhere. Barry and Batman knew that the button had appeared the day that Wally was freed from the speed force. Barry then decided to use the cosmic treadmill to follow the radiation signature through time and spcae to the location of where thawne was sent to. Batman who hadnt fully healed followed him.
The issue then ends with batman meeting he’s father. For those of you who dont know DC has the branch timeline theory. Any major alteration to history creates an entirely new universe than the original universe.
Now on the second scan above the flash says Wally said they had lost years and that is because an unknown entity had erased 10 years of the main DC timeline creating rebirth but no one knew who it was until now who its revealed later it dr manhattan since we find out Dr. Manhattan locked Wally in the speed force meaning he wasnt effected by time changing so he witnessed the 10 years being deleted.
Doomsday clock issue 11 wally being locked the speedforce
In DC universe: Rebirth only issue the hand of an unknown entity (Dr. Manhattan) caused the erasure of 10 years of the main dc timeline as well as the appearance of the button from he’s own world when Wally re-entered the main timeline from the speedforce upon he’s visit with batman.
To be honest I should have explained that Wally visited batman after breaking out of the speedforce first which lead to the reverse-flash coming to investigate the artefact of the being that locked Wally away but Oh well. Anyways back to Batman (volume 3) where batman meets he’s father. Ultimately the rest of the comic is just them talking whilst Flash recreates the cosmic treadmill whilst batman tries to convince he’s stuborn father to come to the main universe. Unfortunately as they finish the universe is being destroyed.
As it is visibly clear the universe was being destroyed by an unknown entity (Dr. Manhattan) flash and batman managed to escape the destruction using the cosmic treadmill to flee to another universe. Batman’s father chose to stay and die but he reappears in another batman story for whatever reason and thats the end of the issue.
Now i’m going to keep this issue rather short in the flash (volume 5) issue 22, the flash and batman meet Eobard Thawne before he dies since they rebuilt the cosmic treadmill to follow him through time before he died. As they finally meet him he meets the same fate and dies. Batman and flash are also in peril as the cosmic treadmill is being destroyed meaning they could fall into different time periods.
Batman and Flash are eventually saved by Jay Garrick the flash but batman and flash have no recollection of him since time had been erased meaning that speedsters like Jay amd Wally would pose a threat and may revert time to what it was since being in the speedforce shielded them from such events effecting their memory.
Unfortunately before Jay can explain what had occurred he was whisked off back to the speedforce leaving a very confused Batman and Flash.
The issue isnt finished yet the issue then reveals at the very end Dr. Manhattan picking up the button proving he was the one who created rebirth by erasing 10 years of time from the main universe, destroyed the flash point universe since DC has the branch timeline theory and imprisoned speedsters. I could also talk about how he let superman’s dad survive the explosion on krypton and later on Batman’s father from flashpoint is alive and the only way he could be alive is if Manhattan took him from the universe he destroyed and how Dr. M erased the league of superheroes from existence by making sure Alan Scott never became green lantern meaning the legion of superheroes wasn’t formed. But for now I’ll leave you with the last scans from Flash (volume 5) issue 22.
The last scans of Batman/Flash: The button saga. Hope you enjoyed the explanation it took a while but I did it. The fact Dr. Manhattan can destroy a universe effortlessly without having to be in that said universe already tells me he is bare minimum multiversal.
Never mind that Manhattan also exists in all universes simultaneousl or at least so he has told Ozymandias who is he’s best friend and Dr. Manhattan doesnt lie.
I also hope this changes peoples stance on Dr. Manhattan he is one of the more underestimated character.
But combining he’s feats in with “THE BUTTON SAGE”, “DOOMSDAY CLOCK”, AND “FLASH FORWARD” SCALING Dr. Manhattan himself has destroyed 2 universes, and using flash forward Wally with dr. Manhattans powers destroyed a multiversal universe, it is what it what it is, so essentially the dark multiverse was being destroyed by the Maelstrom.
Infinite dark universes were destroyed except for one, I speculate it’s the home of Batman who laughs, it’s speculation since He’ll Arisen Batman who laughs goes there, so this one dark universe resisted erasure where infinite failed and it started infecting universes from the infinite multiverse making them dark universes while destroying universes at the same time.
Please remember this is after doomsday clock so DC has infinite universes.
Tempus Faginuat a multiversal also failed, Wally destroyed that universes where the maelstrom and Tempus Fuginaut failed but Wally using manhattans power succeded with a portion of manhattans power.
Now for the people who want evidence, it Manhattan’s power. Here’s an explanation.
Now I’m not sure whether you remember but at the end of the Darkseid wars, Batman got of the Mobius chair only for Owlman to take it and be killed by a “mysterious force” as shown above furthermore it was the comic that showed the start of rebirth when Wally would come out of the speedforce after being imprisoned in there by Dr. Manhattan as I explained earlier on.
I have reason for this to be Manhattan, the main reason being if your a quantum being about to make changes to the multiverse, the last thing you want is someone witnessing or being aware of your actions mainly anyone on the Mobius chair.
This give Dr. Manhattan clear motive to kill Owlman since he would likely interfere with he’s plans by either telling individuals even the justice league since he’s not afraid to work with others to achieve a common goal as seen in the Darkseid wars to defeat a God, the most recent being Darkseid.
Furthermore Dr. Manhattan already has a track record for killing or abducting people from either time, space or just eradicating a universe to get rid of evidence of he’s involvement, this is seen in the button when Dr. M kills Reverse Flash, flash travels to the buttons energy signature and goes into the flash pin to verse and flash starts to remember the he created an alternate timeline, Dr. M then destroys the flashpoint universe And Batman and flash escape using the cosmic treadmill to traverse the timestream only for it to be destroyed and almost fall into seperate eras in time only to be saved by Jay Garrick flash who remembers flash, but Barry can’t remember him, Jay even says someone is behind this and after saving flash and Batman he’s abducted by Dr. M. I’d recommend you just read the Button Saga.
So Dr. M has a track record for killing people that may reveal he’s involvement.
The next piece of evidence is that the Mobius Chair says that it was touched by the “Mysterious force” aNd gained its power, and sure enough after sally sits on the Mobius chair, the chair is blue as apposed to Owlman, Batman and Mobius sitting on it when it was black. But the colour isn’t the give away the give away that Dr. M is the “mysterious force” is that after Wally sits on the chair he gets the Manhattan symbol on he’s forehead which is obvious proof and he’s suit becomes blue.
The third piece of evidence is that the comic reference the doomsday clock by saying “The man who touches the chair... shares he’s power with the chair... He is creation... He is Doomsday... He is the clock ticking on the multiverse. We share he’s vision”.
And as you know the last piece of evidence is when the Mobius chair as quoted says “The man who touches the chair... Shares he’s power with the chair”. The only man who could give Wally such Almighty power is Doctor Manhattan. Rest In Peace you low complex multiversal King.
I have read Doomsday Clock and Watchmen, Dr Manhattan ain't beating Sentry. Try to make a case with something substantial next time instead of spamming.
This is as summarised as I gets mate, this covers the button saga spanning 6 comics 3 batman comics and 3 the flash comics. Relevant points in the doomsday clock and I rushed the explanation on Flash Forward which spans also 6 comics references Doomsday clock and Justice League Darkseid War mainly justice league (2011) issue 50 which was the beginning of rebirth once the mobius chair wielder was killed. And I made the assumption you listened to Xearesay when he said manhattan reset the universe meta verse by destroying it and I explained that it was the second time he destroyed a universe and that Dr. M holds back against non-credible threats since Wally with he’s power destroyed a multiversal universe. All of this is explained I’m not explaining it again and stopping a dark matter infection and multiversal destruction.
Lol you remind me of hachiman to an extent. You’ll stoop So low to win an argument. My engilsh has nothing to do with the arguments presented. For a guy who has English as a third language I think I dont care about such minor mistakes. Furthermore I rushed and I even said I rushed. But anyway it looks like you’ve subconsciously admitted who the winner is, otherwise you wouldn’t talk about engilsh grammar and punctuation like it means anything.
This is as summarised as I gets mate, this covers the button saga spanning 6 comics 3 batman comics and 3 the flash comics. Relevant points in the doomsday clock and I rushed the explanation on Flash Forward which spans also 6 comics references Doomsday clock and Justice League Darkseid War mainly justice league (2011) issue 50 which was the beginning of rebirth once the mobius chair wielder was killed. And I made the assumption you listened to Xearesay when he said manhattan reset the universe meta verse by destroying it and I explained that it was the second time he destroyed a universe and that Dr. M holds back against non-credible threats since Wally with he’s power destroyed a multiversal universe. All of this is explained I’m not explaining it again and stopping a dark matter infection and multiversal destruction.
Lol you remind me of hachiman to an extent. You’ll stoop So low to win an argument. My engilsh has nothing to do with the arguments presented. For a guy who has English as a third language I think I dont care about such minor mistakes. Furthermore I rushed and I even said I rushed. But anyway it looks like you’ve subconsciously admitted who the winner is, otherwise you wouldn’t talk about engilsh grammar and punctuation like it means anything.
Your English-level has to do with your reading comprehension which unfortunately is close to zero so you have to literally spam this thread with irrelevancies...
I have yet to see a feat from Dr Manhattan that is even close to Sentry aka beating someone like Molecule Man or being stated as a life-threat to Franklin Richards...
I have yet to see a feat from Dr Manhattan that is even close to Sentry aka beating someone like Molecule Man or being stated as a life-threat to Franklin Richards...
To be completely fair, in both of those instances Sentry was tapping into Void's power set, which technically does not apply here. Furthermore, Owen's mental state during Dark Avengers was dubious and current Franklin is just a shell of his former self
Lol you remind me of hachiman to an extent. You’ll stoop So low to win an argument. My engilsh has nothing to do with the arguments presented. For a guy who has English as a third language I think I dont care about such minor mistakes. Furthermore I rushed and I even said I rushed. But anyway it looks like you’ve subconsciously admitted who the winner is, otherwise you wouldn’t talk about engilsh grammar and punctuation like it means anything.
Your English-level has to do with your reading comprehension which unfortunately is close to zero so you have to literally spam this thread with irrelevancies...
I have yet to see a feat from Dr Manhattan that is even close to Sentry aka beating someone like Molecule Man or being stated as a life-threat to Franklin Richards...
Dr Manhattan has just beaten fodder.
This is funny your exposing yourself. A person that summarises 20 comic issues and rushes it because there doing it on an iPhone specifically on safari with a page that can refresh randomly doesn’t convey poor comprehension.
Even a random person that rushes a summary doesn’t make them bad at comprehending, it means they are bad at articulating which is expressing ones knowledge.
Also you’ve done nothing to read arguments I presented. I only mentioned Doomsday clock lightly, I was emphasising Dr. Manhattans first appearance which is in the button saga and how Wally used his power in flash forward.
Furthermore you’ve got your molecule man in that story wasnt even that powerful. He was clearly de powered for plot since he’s showings later would dwarf those.
Also @morpheus_: My good sir Morpheus this man has been harassing my being, I present proper arguments as seen in post 41. This man claims that he knows everything about said post and says he read the doomsday clock which is only about 10% of post.
In my post the main argents were based on flash forward, where Wally had Manhattans powers and the button saga which is Manhattans first appearance.
Furthermore this man was making fun of my English skills saying Im not capable of comprehension despite the fact he believes doomsday clock to be my main argument when its barely mentioned in my argument which is hypocritical.
If possible I want you to read my post 41 and read this mans arguments, he also dare I say sent spam to me when he sent a picture of saitama saying I should summarise my work despite it being a summary of 20 issues of comics with context.
Overall this man doesnt contribute in any way, shape or form to this community, after you’ve read both arguments mine and his, I’d like punishment to be administered immediately.
If he’s deleted he’s post such as the saitama post or you have poor English then please contact me, my comicvine sends emails as notifications with peoples posts so even deleted posts still appear.
I have yet to see a feat from Dr Manhattan that is even close to Sentry aka beating someone like Molecule Man or being stated as a life-threat to Franklin Richards...
To be completely fair, in both of those instances Sentry was tapping into Void's power set, which technically does not apply here. Furthermore, Owen's mental state during Dark Avengers was dubious and current Franklin is just a shell of his former self
Sentry and Void are equals in power. Owen's powers doesn't vary according to his mental state and he wasn't depowered or weakened, the editor confirmed it. Franklin is still stated as a Universal Reality Warper by Hickman.
I asked you to summarize your post, not the 20 comic issues, lmao !
The way you post without trying to correct your English and the way you format your posts is disrespectful as hell, not to mention that the content is absolutely irrelevant based on your poor comprehension of the source material...
I have yet to see a feat from Dr Manhattan that is even close to Sentry aka beating someone like Molecule Man or being stated as a life-threat to Franklin Richards...
To be completely fair, in both of those instances Sentry was tapping into Void's power set, which technically does not apply here. Furthermore, Owen's mental state during Dark Avengers was dubious and current Franklin is just a shell of his former self
Sentry and Void are equals in power.
Owen's powers doesn't vary according to his mental state and he wasn't depowered or weakened, the editor confirmed it.
Franklin is still stated as a Universal Reality Warper by Hickman.
I asked you to summarize your post, not the 20 comic issues, lmao !
The way you post without trying to correct your English and the way you format your posts is disrespectful as hell, not to mention that the content is absolutely irrelevant based on your poor comprehension of the source material...
The rest isn't even worth answering...
@morpheus_: As you can see yet again this main is insulting my intelligence whilst making hypocritical claims. He‘s claiming I didn’t mention my post was a summary of Doctor Manhattans powers using 20 issues of comics as reference for that summary. I told this to him explicitly in post 40 after he’s saitama post 39.
As for you demonic animal, (morpheus I call him demonic animal since the numbers are clearly taboo and I’m Christian) your wrong on multiple accounts.
One: Molecule man was below power in that story.
Two: Even assuming Molecule man was at multiversal levels this would be a clear outlier compared to what Sentry is capable of.
Thirdly: I already have confirmation he wasn’t multiversal, this feat happened around the time of the “incursions arc” of hickmans new avengers run. Which is when the Ivory kings started killing everyone and they are collectively multiversal since the destruction of the multiverse killed them, and they made molecule man and infinite copies of him for each dimension. Keep in mind they retconned molecule man AFTER the events secret wars three when they said MM and beyonder where halves of a cosmic cube. This was retconned in other stories to Ivory kings making molecule mans each indistinguishable from the last and they went around the multiverse killing them, there deaths causing universal explosions. So your definitely wrong
Morpheus this man knows nothing of marvel and still thinks classic molecule man is Hickman molecule man and more importantly he believes Sentry can beat a non-corporal abstract type entity. He should either be explained too or punished for hes long standing arrogance and poor arguments which are detestable, especially the ”your not smart enough to write and therefore not smart enough comprehend“ is just sad.
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