"Tiamut isnt an average Celestial, he is equal to their god. "
And Dream makes most gods look like chumps. Celestials aren't even in the same league as him. Dream would send Tiamut to a nightmare without exit or end with a casual act of will
"Tiamut isnt an average Celestial, he is equal to their god. "
And Dream makes most gods look like chumps. Celestials aren't even in the same league as him. Dream would send Tiamut to a nightmare without exit or end with a casual act of will "
Arent Celestials bio organic machines? I have seen scans where Tiamut was running checks on him self because he showed emotion. By anychance is Dream a multiversal buster? I have read that he was only universal.
"Tiamut isnt an average Celestial, he is equal to their god. "
And Dream makes most gods look like chumps. Celestials aren't even in the same league as him. Dream would send Tiamut to a nightmare without exit or end with a casual act of will "
Arent Celestials bio organic machines? I have seen scans where Tiamut was running checks on him self because he showed emotion. By anychance is Dream a multiversal buster? I have read that he was only universal. "
Any being who can dream fall under his dominion unless they have a higher position in the Hierarchy set up by the Presence.
"Tiamut isnt an average Celestial, he is equal to their god. "
And Dream makes most gods look like chumps. Celestials aren't even in the same league as him. Dream would send Tiamut to a nightmare without exit or end with a casual act of will "
Arent Celestials bio organic machines? I have seen scans where Tiamut was running checks on him self because he showed emotion. By anychance is Dream a multiversal buster? I have read that he was only universal. "
Any being who can dream fall under his dominion unless they have a higher position in the Hierarchy set up by the Presence. "
Tell you the truth Im not totally sure Tiamut can dream. Maybe he can Im not totally sure, I know when he was under the Diablo mountains he was "dreaming" but I think of that as a computer standby. Although he possibly could have been dreaming
" Tell you the truth Im not totally sure Tiamut can dream. Maybe he can Im not totally sure, I know when he was under the Diablo mountains he was "dreaming" but I think of that as a computer standby. Although he possibly could have been dreaming "
If he can dream, then Dream of the Endless will destroy him without even trying. Even if he can't, Tiamut won't even be able to hurt him anyway.
"Tiamut isnt an average Celestial, he is equal to their god. "
And Dream makes most gods look like chumps. Celestials aren't even in the same league as him. Dream would send Tiamut to a nightmare without exit or end with a casual act of will "
Arent Celestials bio organic machines? I have seen scans where Tiamut was running checks on him self because he showed emotion. By anychance is Dream a multiversal buster? I have read that he was only universal. "
cna you post thgat scan it woudl be cool to see it
" Tell you the truth Im not totally sure Tiamut can dream. Maybe he can Im not totally sure, I know when he was under the Diablo mountains he was "dreaming" but I think of that as a computer standby. Although he possibly could have been dreaming "
If he can dream, then Dream of the Endless will destroy him without even trying. Even if he can't, Tiamut won't even be able to hurt him anyway. "
Oh yeah he is not a physical being just a percieved concept like Galactus.
"cna you post thgat scan it woudl be cool to see it "
I don't have scans but I'll refer to volume one of the trades on Sandman as well as the one he dies in (number I think) the dreaming encompasses everywhere dreams exist and that is his realms. Hence he has dominion in all the infinite earths that make up DC.
If you can get me an issue number, I can get you scans. I know it happened in volume 4 toward the end when the Horde was coming to Earth, but I'm not sure what issue it happened in.
" If you can get me an issue number, I can get you scans. I know it happened in volume 4 toward the end when the Horde was coming to Earth, but I'm not sure what issue it happened in. "
I'm thinking of the page in the first trade where we see the infinity of dreams and how that references to multiple dimensions and earths, the one where he walks back into his castle. And the one were his realm us inherited.
dream would probably win pretty easy but I don't really know the scope of his power especially since he got trapped by some pretty weak spellcasters at the beginning of sandman. I mean he also seemed limited to what he could do throughout the series as well but I think that was more of him not wanting to use his powers because he's a pretty neutral character. I think maybe the beggining of sandman was just used as a plot device for him questioning how he used his powers rather than showing his actual powers.
"Tiamut isnt an average Celestial, he is equal to their god. "
And Dream makes most gods look like chumps. Celestials aren't even in the same league as him. Dream would send Tiamut to a nightmare without exit or end with a casual act of will "
Arent Celestials bio organic machines? I have seen scans where Tiamut was running checks on him self because he showed emotion. By anychance is Dream a multiversal buster? I have read that he was only universal. "
cna you post thgat scan it woudl be cool to see it "
" dream would probably win pretty easy but I don't really know the scope of his power especially since he got trapped by some pretty weak spellcasters at the beginning of sandman. I mean he also seemed limited to what he could do throughout the series as well but I think that was more of him not wanting to use his powers because he's a pretty neutral character. I think maybe the beggining of sandman was just used as a plot device for him questioning how he used his powers rather than showing his actual powers. "
Well the Endless where they stand on the cosmos really are ranked just Below Lucifer and Michael
" If you can get me an issue number, I can get you scans. I know it happened in volume 4 toward the end when the Horde was coming to Earth, but I'm not sure what issue it happened in. "
I'm thinking of the page in the first trade where we see the infinity of dreams and how that references to multiple dimensions and earths, the one where he walks back into his castle. And the one were his realm us inherited. "
Oh, no, I thought blackadam was talking about scans of Tiamut questioning the emergence of his conscience...which I actually found.
I'm not sure whether the Celestials have been revealed to be techno-organic. They possess technology and their armor seems to be technological, but when Tiamut takes off his helmet in the same issue, he has a humanoid appearance.
"cna you post thgat scan it woudl be cool to see it "
I don't have scans but I'll refer to volume one of the trades on Sandman as well as the one he dies in (number I think) the dreaming encompasses everywhere dreams exist and that is his realms. Hence he has dominion in all the infinite earths that make up DC. "
He said to Desire that when everyone single person int he universe died that there task would be done. I think it was issue 18, I know it was final issue of Vol2 @iLLituracy said:
" @Crom-Cruach said:
" @iLLituracy said:
" If you can get me an issue number, I can get you scans. I know it happened in volume 4 toward the end when the Horde was coming to Earth, but I'm not sure what issue it happened in. "
I'm thinking of the page in the first trade where we see the infinity of dreams and how that references to multiple dimensions and earths, the one where he walks back into his castle. And the one were his realm us inherited. "
Oh, no, I thought blackadam was talking about scans of Tiamut questioning the emergence of his conscience...which I actually found.
I'm not sure whether the Celestials have been revealed to be techno-organic. They possess technology and their armor seems to be technological, but when Tiamut takes off his helmet in the same issue, he has a humanoid appearance. "
" dream would probably win pretty easy but I don't really know the scope of his power especially since he got trapped by some pretty weak spellcasters at the beginning of sandman. I mean he also seemed limited to what he could do throughout the series as well but I think that was more of him not wanting to use his powers because he's a pretty neutral character. I think maybe the beggining of sandman was just used as a plot device for him questioning how he used his powers rather than showing his actual powers. "
Well the Endless where they stand on the cosmos really are ranked just Below Lucifer and Michael "
yeah true true it's just what really is the scope of his powers since the celestials don't really seem to dream all that often what can he use as leverage against Tiamut? I can see him winning but I just don't know how.
" dream would probably win pretty easy but I don't really know the scope of his power especially since he got trapped by some pretty weak spellcasters at the beginning of sandman. I mean he also seemed limited to what he could do throughout the series as well but I think that was more of him not wanting to use his powers because he's a pretty neutral character. I think maybe the beggining of sandman was just used as a plot device for him questioning how he used his powers rather than showing his actual powers. "
Well the Endless where they stand on the cosmos really are ranked just Below Lucifer and Michael "
yeah true true it's just what really is the scope of his powers since the celestials don't really seem to dream all that often what can he use as leverage against Tiamut? I can see him winning but I just don't know how. "
He is multiversal power, he is equal to the Horde, Celestials, and Watchers combined. Horde are equal to Celestials and Watchers being somewhere down the road. Tiamut is very very powerful he is strong enough to beat Galactus, but I dont think that there coulda descisive victor here. Murphy is a universal power but he is not a living thing. Tiamut is multiversal but he a living thing arguably.
"If you can get me an issue number, I can get you scans. I know it happened in volume 4 toward the end when the Horde was coming to Earth, but I'm not sure what issue it happened in. "
Might I ask what comic that was? Im thinking about buying a trade of it because of an interest in Tiamut
"cna you post thgat scan it woudl be cool to see it "
I don't have scans but I'll refer to volume one of the trades on Sandman as well as the one he dies in (number I think) the dreaming encompasses everywhere dreams exist and that is his realms. Hence he has dominion in all the infinite earths that make up DC. "
no, i was talkign about tiamut checking himself up
"cna you post thgat scan it woudl be cool to see it "
I don't have scans but I'll refer to volume one of the trades on Sandman as well as the one he dies in (number I think) the dreaming encompasses everywhere dreams exist and that is his realms. Hence he has dominion in all the infinite earths that make up DC. "
no, i was talkign about tiamut checking himself up "
Im not sure which issue but look up half a page, I posted him scaning himself
"Tiamut isnt an average Celestial, he is equal to their god. "
And Dream makes most gods look like chumps. Celestials aren't even in the same league as him. Dream would send Tiamut to a nightmare without exit or end with a casual act of will "
Arent Celestials bio organic machines? I have seen scans where Tiamut was running checks on him self because he showed emotion. By anychance is Dream a multiversal buster? I have read that he was only universal. "
cna you post thgat scan it woudl be cool to see it "
"If you can get me an issue number, I can get you scans. I know it happened in volume 4 toward the end when the Horde was coming to Earth, but I'm not sure what issue it happened in. "
Might I ask what comic that was? Im thinking about buying a trade of it because of an interest in Tiamut "
The scan is from issue 9. The scan you posted was from issue 7 [which what I was looking for]. They're all from Eternals volume 4, it should all be collected in one book.
"Tiamut isnt an average Celestial, he is equal to their god. "
And Dream makes most gods look like chumps. Celestials aren't even in the same league as him. Dream would send Tiamut to a nightmare without exit or end with a casual act of will "
Arent Celestials bio organic machines? I have seen scans where Tiamut was running checks on him self because he showed emotion. By anychance is Dream a multiversal buster? I have read that he was only universal. "
cna you post thgat scan it woudl be cool to see it "
Yes I can "
can you post teh scan when he remove his helmte? "
" dream would probably win pretty easy but I don't really know the scope of his power especially since he got trapped by some pretty weak spellcasters at the beginning of sandman. I mean he also seemed limited to what he could do throughout the series as well but I think that was more of him not wanting to use his powers because he's a pretty neutral character. I think maybe the beggining of sandman was just used as a plot device for him questioning how he used his powers rather than showing his actual powers. "
Well the Endless where they stand on the cosmos really are ranked just Below Lucifer and Michael "
yeah true true it's just what really is the scope of his powers since the celestials don't really seem to dream all that often what can he use as leverage against Tiamut? I can see him winning but I just don't know how. "
He is multiversal power, he is equal to the Horde, Celestials, and Watchers combined. Horde are equal to Celestials and Watchers being somewhere down the road. Tiamut is very very powerful he is strong enough to beat Galactus, but I dont think that there coulda descisive victor here. Murphy is a universal power but he is not a living thing. Tiamut is multiversal but he a living thing arguably. "
No sir, he's equal to his maker the Fulcrum aka Eternity.
"Tiamut isnt an average Celestial, he is equal to their god. "
And Dream makes most gods look like chumps. Celestials aren't even in the same league as him. Dream would send Tiamut to a nightmare without exit or end with a casual act of will "
Arent Celestials bio organic machines? I have seen scans where Tiamut was running checks on him self because he showed emotion. By anychance is Dream a multiversal buster? I have read that he was only universal. "
cna you post thgat scan it woudl be cool to see it "
Yes I can "
can you post teh scan when he remove his helmte? "
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thanks. dude, i have to read eternals vol.4 it seem to be pretty interesting. do you think it s worth the reading?
" dream would probably win pretty easy but I don't really know the scope of his power especially since he got trapped by some pretty weak spellcasters at the beginning of sandman. I mean he also seemed limited to what he could do throughout the series as well but I think that was more of him not wanting to use his powers because he's a pretty neutral character. I think maybe the beggining of sandman was just used as a plot device for him questioning how he used his powers rather than showing his actual powers. "
Well the Endless where they stand on the cosmos really are ranked just Below Lucifer and Michael "
yeah true true it's just what really is the scope of his powers since the celestials don't really seem to dream all that often what can he use as leverage against Tiamut? I can see him winning but I just don't know how. "
He is multiversal power, he is equal to the Horde, Celestials, and Watchers combined. Horde are equal to Celestials and Watchers being somewhere down the road. Tiamut is very very powerful he is strong enough to beat Galactus, but I dont think that there coulda descisive victor here. Murphy is a universal power but he is not a living thing. Tiamut is multiversal but he a living thing arguably. "
No sir, he's equal to his maker the Fulcrum aka Eternity. "
Fulcrum is not Eternity. Or atleast not of recent events they acknoledge Eternity as the creator. I know what you are saying I saw the scan with Eternity saying the Celestials are made from his idea of continuity and such. This was explained on my Tiamut vs Galactus thread that Celestials combined would be able to beat eternity and that since Tiamut is equal to Celestials horde and Watchers in power he is multiversal. I did not say that that was someone else did http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/tiamut-the-dreaming-celestial-vs-galactus/551214/
@blackadam: Due to cancellation the last arc was rushed and there were a bit of plots left unclosed and the fate of the Eternals was left unsure, but it was a good read.
" @daak1212: What suggests the Celestials in general are multiversal in power? "
Not the Celestials but Tiamut. Celestials are said to be when all combined stronger thatn eternity but thats not why he's multiversal. The fact that he's as strong as The Horde, Celestials, and The Watchers make him Multiversal
" @daak1212: What suggests the Celestials in general are multiversal in power? "
Not the Celestials but Tiamut. Celestials are said to be when all combined stronger thatn eternity but thats not why he's multiversal. The fact that he's as strong as The Horde, Celestials, and The Watchers make him Multiversal "
Where has it said that though, I really want to know.
" @daak1212: What suggests the Celestials in general are multiversal in power? "
Not the Celestials but Tiamut. Celestials are said to be when all combined stronger thatn eternity but thats not why he's multiversal. The fact that he's as strong as The Horde, Celestials, and The Watchers make him Multiversal "
Where has it said that though, I really want to know. "
It was implied on the thread I posted. Tiamut vs Galactus.
Fulcrum is only an aspect of Eternity. Dream is the embodiment of dreams and reality. He stomps both the Fulcrum and the Communicator simultaneously. And people who think Fulcrum is TOAA and that Tiamut is his equal need to understand the term "omnipotence".
" @daak1212: What suggests the Celestials in general are multiversal in power? "
Not the Celestials but Tiamut. Celestials are said to be when all combined stronger thatn eternity but thats not why he's multiversal. The fact that he's as strong as The Horde, Celestials, and The Watchers make him Multiversal "
Where has it said that though, I really want to know. "
It was implied on the thread I posted. Tiamut vs Galactus.
" @daak1212: What suggests the Celestials in general are multiversal in power? "
Not the Celestials but Tiamut. Celestials are said to be when all combined stronger thatn eternity but thats not why he's multiversal. The fact that he's as strong as The Horde, Celestials, and The Watchers make him Multiversal "
Where has it said that though, I really want to know. "
It was implied on the thread I posted. Tiamut vs Galactus.
Current tiamut has gone through a acension & been granted as equal to TOAA! & yes Fulcrum is TOAA even though some don't seem they can admit it
He owns this without doubt!
"
No I dont think Fulcrum is TOAA. "
Well that's what the whole thing with the Fulcrum points too, & it's not hard to see it... Tiamut stompss "
Nope, sorry man. Tiamut cannot be equal to Fulcrum if Fulcrum is TOAA. It's not really that hard to understand omnipotence. Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity since it has been stated in two different sources that Eternity spawned the Celestials. One canceled story says that it was Fulcrum who spawned them. There have been no retcons. Two sources > one source; thus Fulcrum is only an aspect of Eternity. Tiamut loses.
Current tiamut has gone through a acension & been granted as equal to TOAA! & yes Fulcrum is TOAA even though some don't seem they can admit it
He owns this without doubt!
"
No I dont think Fulcrum is TOAA. "
Well that's what the whole thing with the Fulcrum points too, & it's not hard to see it... Tiamut stompss "
Nope, sorry man. Tiamut cannot be equal to Fulcrum if Fulcrum is TOAA. It's not really that hard to understand omnipotence. Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity since it has been stated in two different sources that Eternity spawned the Celestials. One canceled story says that it was Fulcrum who spawned them. There have been no retcons. Two sources > one source; thus Fulcrum is only an aspect of Eternity. Tiamut loses. "
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