Dragonborn vs blackbolt

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#1 Posted by TheGodofThunder (693 posts) - - Show Bio

Blackbolt only has hand to hand and his yell

Dragonborn has all shouts with no recharge time

morals on

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#2 Edited by ChaosBlazer (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Bolt.

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#3 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

No recharge time LOL.

Shouts to slow down Time.

Freezes Blackbolt and then Fire Shout, or Drain Life

Rinse and Repeat till BlackBolts dead.

or.

Kynes Peace on Blackbolt so Dragonborn isn't a threat then kill him, or use Dismay to make him flee.

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#4 Posted by VenomousDragon (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

Dragon born should never be used in battle threads ever. Not only is he featless he doesnt even have set stats.

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#5 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosBlazer said:

Black Bolt.

No recharge time, meaning DragonBorn can infinitley slow down time and kill Blackbolt with ease.

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#6 Posted by ChaosBlazer (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

No recharge time LOL.

Shouts to slow down Time.

Freezes Blackbolt and then Fire Shout, or Drain Life

Rinse and Repeat till BlackBolts dead.

or.

Kynes Peace on Blackbolt so Dragonborn isn't a threat then kill him, or use Dismay to make him flee.

but...

one whisper and Dragonborn is down.

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#7 Posted by rangersoul6 (444 posts) - - Show Bio

If Blackbolt only has hand to hand and his yell than Dragonborn stomps.

There's nothing Blackbolt can do to Dragonborn...

I was going to say Blackbolt at first but since he only has H2H and his yell than Dragonborn wins.

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#8 Posted by ChaosBlazer (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

@ChaosBlazer said:

Black Bolt.

No recharge time, meaning DragonBorn can infinitley slow down time and kill Blackbolt with ease.

that's true, I suppose Dragonborn would win

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#9 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosBlazer said:

@XImpossibruX said:

No recharge time LOL.

Shouts to slow down Time.

Freezes Blackbolt and then Fire Shout, or Drain Life

Rinse and Repeat till BlackBolts dead.

or.

Kynes Peace on Blackbolt so Dragonborn isn't a threat then kill him, or use Dismay to make him flee.

but...

one whisper and Dragonborn is down.

Nope. Dragonborn is pretty durable at a high level, and can survive Alduin's Fire and Meteors striking from above.

Literally one shout for DragnBorn and it's over.

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#10 Posted by butcher_pete (259 posts) - - Show Bio

Whaaat??? Has Black Bolt not fought bricks like the Thing and come out on top? He's infinitely stronger, faster, and more durable than the Dovahkiin. A whisper from Black Bolt can level mountains, a yell... well who knows? But, Black Bolt stomps the Dragonborn.

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#11 Posted by TheGodofThunder (693 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon: Slaying Alduin is a feat

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#12 Posted by rangersoul6 (444 posts) - - Show Bio

@Butcher_Pete said:

Whaaat??? Has Black Bolt not fought bricks like the Thing and come out on top? He's infinitely stronger, faster, and more durable than the Dovahkiin. A whisper from Black Bolt can level mountains, a yell... well who knows? But, Black Bolt stomps the Dragonborn.

Black Bolt is restricted to only H2H and his yell.

Black Bolt's whispers/yelling won't do anything because Dragonborn can become etheral.

Dragonborn can also slow time and has other impressive shouts.

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#13 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Butcher_Pete said:

Whaaat??? Has Black Bolt not fought bricks like the Thing and come out on top? He's infinitely stronger, faster, and more durable than the Dovahkiin. A whisper from Black Bolt can level mountains, a yell... well who knows? But, Black Bolt stomps the Dragonborn.

DragonBorn has time control and infinite element and mental control. He can easily slow down time and Drain Black Bolt of all his life, or Freeze him then set him on FIre.

It doesn't matter how much faster and stronger when you can't do anything.

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#14 Posted by VenomousDragon (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGodofThunder said:

@VenomousDragon: Slaying Alduin is a feat

So what? Alduin is damn near featless himself, He burned a town mostly made of wood. I could do that.

Killing a near featless dragon is not a feat.

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#15 Posted by YoungJustice (7318 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know anything about dragonborn but can he really withstand a nuke?

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#16 Posted by deactivated-5a5a76120d2ba (5989 posts) - - Show Bio

In the time it takes for the dragon-born to shout and slow time, Black Bolt shouts and kills him.

This is a stomp match and should be locked. Only fanboy stupidity gives the Dragon Born even half a chance.

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#17 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

I don't know anything about dragonborn but can he really withstand a nuke?

Goes Ethernal, Immune to Everything so yes.

DragonBorn with Unlimited Shouts can easily Slow down Time, Freeze Blackbolt in a block of Ice, then shatter it.

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#18 Posted by karetaker (1581 posts) - - Show Bio

its 5/5 for both because they both use there powers at the speed of sound.

in fact BB wins more because BB can whisper whyle the dragon born has to SHOUT to slow down time or anything except that one crappy whisper shout thing .

when the dragon born slows down time it doesn't get that slow. and the dragon born also slows down partially himself and it doesn't last that long so assuming they both shout at the same time BB will still win because the speed of sound will still be faster than the dragon born so he will still get hit and die

as a matter of fact BB 7/10

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#19 Posted by butcher_pete (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@rangersoul6: So what? He loses all of his super strength, durability, and speed? Well, under those circumstances the Dragonborn might win... but becoming ethereal doesn't help the Dragonborn, as he cant harm Black Bolt either. Also, slowing time doesn't stop it, and it also slows it to a lesser extent for the Dragonborn. Black Bolt could still let off a yell in time that would vaporize his opponent. But, if he retains his super abilities, then slow time wont even matter, because he has super speed and it's a stomp in Black Bolt's favor.

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#20 Posted by jwalser3 (6127 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon said:

Dragon born should never be used in battle threads ever. Not only is he featless he doesnt even have set stats.

This is true. It's like "My Fallout character vs xyz"

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#21 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

@MisterWhisper said:

In the time it takes for the dragon-born to shout and slow time, Black Bolt shouts and kills him.

This is a stomp match and should be locked. Only fanboy stupidity gives the Dragon Born even half a chance.

lol great bias you got there, must help you alot.

@karetaker said:

its 5/5 for both because they both use there powers at the speed of sound.

in fact BB wins more because BB can whisper whyle the dragon born has to SHOUT to slow down time or anything except that one crappy whisper shout thing .

when the dragon born slows down time it doesn't get that slow. and the dragon born also slows down partially himself and it doesn't last that long so assuming they both shout at the same time BB will still win because the speed of sound will still be faster than the dragon born so he will still get hit and die

as a matter of fact BB 7/10

At max level it slows down everything to were everything to a standstill. Goes Ethernal, slows down time and beatss Backbolt.

Although it depends what type of DragonBorn, because a Sneak Character wouldn't attack in the open.

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#22 Posted by jwalser3 (6127 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice:What makes you think that!

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#23 Posted by karetaker (1581 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@VenomousDragon said:

Dragon born should never be used in battle threads ever. Not only is he featless he doesnt even have set stats.

This is true. It's like "My Fallout character vs xyz"

im convinced my character from oblivion would destroy superman if he dident have super speed. its off topic but what you said made me think about that

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#24 Posted by rangersoul6 (444 posts) - - Show Bio

@MisterWhisper said:

In the time it takes for the dragon-born to shout and slow time, Black Bolt shouts and kills him.

This is a stomp match and should be locked. Only fanboy stupidity gives the Dragon Born even half a chance.

Fanboy stupidity could be applied to people saying Blackbolt, you know.

If you've played the game, you know that Dragonborn is very powerful.

Dragonborn would go Etheral and counter a Black Bolt shout...

There's no recharge time for his shout so he can do them instantly. And Dragonborn isn't a character that hesitates to kill.

Dragonborn also has dismay, which would make Blackbolt flee in terror, and not attack Dragonborn.

Dragonborn could then drain his life, freeze him solid, set him on fire, traps his soul etc.

@YoungJustice said:

I don't know anything about dragonborn but can he really withstand a nuke?

Adamantium can, and Daedric is above that. Adamantium was in daggerfall, and Daedric is a material way above it. He could be wearing Daedric armor and withstand a nuke. Point blank probably not lol.

Although his going Etheral should stop that.

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#25 Posted by TheGodofThunder (693 posts) - - Show Bio

@VenomousDragon: well he did wage a war on humanity, fought three dragonborns at once, killing one and injuring another and would've won if not for the elder scroll. Assuming the other dragon borns had the same shouts that you got in game, thats pretty impressive.

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#26 Posted by butcher_pete (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@rangersoul6: Lol, adamantium from Marvel is not the same as Adamantium from Elder Scrolls, Daedric is not surviving a nuke...

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#27 Posted by jwalser3 (6127 posts) - - Show Bio

@rangersoul6 said

There's no recharge time for his shout so he can do them instantly. And Dragonborn isn't a character that hesitates to kill.

It is an RPG! You could not hesitate to kill. And other players might not savagely kill.

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#28 Posted by deactivated-5a5a76120d2ba (5989 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: Actually I am more a gamer than a comic book lover. I love most of bethesda's games, and Have played all the Elder Scrolls games. Played Skyrim for well over 200 hours.

I am not biased at all, but seriously, Black Bolt's shouts can hit with the force of a nuke, that is not even a powerful shout. The Dragon Born is an upper street leveler. He does not have super speed, unless he shouts first, he does not have etherealness unless he shouts first.

The DB has to use a defensive shout first, if not he dies. If he does he will just be sitting there praying his defense holds till he dies.

The DB has no chance here, this is just another example of people letting popularity block common sense and logic.

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#29 Posted by VenomousDragon (1084 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGodofThunder said:

@VenomousDragon: well he did wage a war on humanity, fought three dragonborns at once, killing one and injuring another and would've won if not for the elder scroll. Assuming the other dragon borns had the same shouts that you got in game, thats pretty impressive.

The featless character killed a near featless dragon (with help from other featless characters) that almost killed three other featless characters.

Ive played the Game and its fun but that doesnt change the fact that dragon born is a featless character that doesnt have set stats.

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#30 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

@MisterWhisper: You do realize no Recharge Time on Shouts? Meaning he can become Ethernal for all he wants, and Slow down Time all he wants.

And DC doesn't have to face him head on if it's a Stealth Character then Blackbolt is screwed, in the 1 second he has to locate DB, Time is already frozen and Black Bolts in a block of ice, or all his life is drained.

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#31 Posted by GraniteSoldier (12746 posts) - - Show Bio

At a glance the idea of unlimited time-altering, massive storm causing, dragon-summoning, freezing, flaming, etc etc breath attacks from the Dragonborn seems overwhelming. But think about how long it takes the Dragonborn to get a shout out. 3 seconds? 4? Depending on a fully charged shout or not. I'm not 100% on Black Bolt, but isn't his shout instantaneous to his speaking? If that's the case I think he'd get a small one off first, disorient the Dragonborn, then blast him with something harder. Unless I am totally off about Black Bolt.

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#32 Posted by deactivated-5a5a76120d2ba (5989 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: You are aware that you can not interact with anything in ethereal right? Also Slowing time would not help when Black Bolt shouts at the same time and a nuke goes off.

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#33 Posted by karetaker (1581 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

@MisterWhisper said:

In the time it takes for the dragon-born to shout and slow time, Black Bolt shouts and kills him.

This is a stomp match and should be locked. Only fanboy stupidity gives the Dragon Born even half a chance.

lol great bias you got there, must help you alot.

@karetaker said:

its 5/5 for both because they both use there powers at the speed of sound.

in fact BB wins more because BB can whisper whyle the dragon born has to SHOUT to slow down time or anything except that one crappy whisper shout thing .

when the dragon born slows down time it doesn't get that slow. and the dragon born also slows down partially himself and it doesn't last that long so assuming they both shout at the same time BB will still win because the speed of sound will still be faster than the dragon born so he will still get hit and die

as a matter of fact BB 7/10

At max level it slows down everything to were everything to a standstill. Goes Ethernal, slows down time and beatss Backbolt.

Although it depends what type of DragonBorn, because a Sneak Character wouldn't attack in the open.

i think it should be specified how manywords the DB has in a shout because mine only has the two in slow time

and does the DB have weapons or whatever

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#34 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

@MisterWhisper said:

@XImpossibruX: You are aware that you can not interact with anything in ethereal right? Also Slowing time would not help when Black Bolt shouts at the same time and a nuke goes off.

Ethernal is just to avoid the first hit, once Time is slowed down and he reverts back, DB easily Freezes Black bolt or sets him on fire or Drains him of life.

And if everything is at a standstill then black Bolt is frozen, everything even his "nuke" is frozen allowing DB to do whatever he wants.

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#35 Posted by jwalser3 (6127 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't believe that people are actually arguing about this. Dragonborn has no feats. He is a custom character and COULD NOT survive a nuke. All it takes is a whisper and all of whiterun would be in ruins.

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#36 Posted by butcher_pete (259 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually dont know much about Black Bolt. But, the only thing that might keep the Dovahkiin alive is that morals are on.

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#37 Edited by rangersoul6 (444 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@rangersoul6 said

There's no recharge time for his shout so he can do them instantly. And Dragonborn isn't a character that hesitates to kill.

It is an RPG! You could not hesitate to kill. And other players might not savagely kill.

We're talking about Dragonborn in general. Yeah some players aren't going to go around killing everything, but I said this because there's a lot of fights where somebody points out "X wouldn't kill, or Y isn't smart enough to do ___". @Butcher_Pete said:

@rangersoul6: Lol, adamantium from Marvel is not the same as Adamantium from Elder Scrolls, Daedric is not surviving a nuke...

There's also something in Fallout 3 called Adamantium Skeleton. (both games made by Bethesda)

It's pretty obvious that they got it from Marvel, so we're using it in the same way, okay? He wouldn't be using it though (nothing was stated by OP), just wanted to point that out =). By powerscaling Daedric is above Adamantium in Elder Scrolls. You can debate this, but turning Etheral definitely stops a nuke... it's like going intangible.

@MisterWhisper said:

@XImpossibruX: Actually I am more a gamer than a comic book lover. I love most of bethesda's games, and Have played all the Elder Scrolls games. Played Skyrim for well over 200 hours.

I am not biased at all, but seriously, Black Bolt's shouts can hit with the force of a nuke, that is not even a powerful shout. The Dragon Born is an upper street leveler. He does not have super speed, unless he shouts first, he does not have etherealness unless he shouts first.

The DB has to use a defensive shout first, if not he dies. If he does he will just be sitting there praying his defense holds till he dies.

The DB has no chance here, this is just another example of people letting popularity block common sense and logic.

Skyrim for well over 200 hours? Nerd. Lol jk.

Dragon Born upper street leveler? Lmao.

It actually makes more sense to vote for Dragonborn, there's no recharge time. He has more shouts than BB.

Dragonborn might not hit with force of nukes, but he has things that f*ck with you internally. He has soul tear, and dismay.

Dismay causes BB to lose his aggression, and run away (not attacking DB). This would be Dragonborn's oppurtunity to kill BB.

You can't physically harm people when you're etheral, but he should be able to stop time (as you're not physically harming anyone).

BB would be screwed.

I don't see BB winning unless he hits first, but I guess this is what this thread has become.

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#38 Posted by darktiger (4861 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@VenomousDragon said:

Dragon born should never be used in battle threads ever. Not only is he featless he doesnt even have set stats.

This is true. It's like "My Fallout character vs xyz"

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#39 Posted by deactivated-5a5a76120d2ba (5989 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: Slow time maxed out does not stop time it is down to 10%, Which means as soon as ethereal drops, he is dead. It still takes a shout to slow time, so we are back to the point of slowing time still just gets him killed.

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#40 Posted by rangersoul6 (444 posts) - - Show Bio

@MisterWhisper: He wouldn't have to go ethereal. Another defensive tactic is Dismay.

Black Bolt would run in fear and not attack Dragonborn.

This would leave Black Bolt vulnerable.

It really just depends on who shouts at the other first.

Although DB has a wider arsenal of shouts.

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#41 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

@MisterWhisper said:

@XImpossibruX: Slow time maxed out does not stop time it is down to 10%, Which means as soon as ethereal drops, he is dead. It still takes a shout to slow time, so we are back to the point of slowing time still just gets him killed.

Noo... Ok DB goes Ethernal, BlackBolt whispers the nuke of sound goes right through him. THEN he slows time, Black Bolt is basically frozen, leaving DB to go behind him and Drain life.

Ethernal wears off for DB, because Time for DB isn't frozen. Black Bolt is dead.

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#42 Posted by deactivated-5a5a76120d2ba (5989 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a simple process people.

They both shout:

1: They both go for an attack, BB gets a little hurt, or scared or whatever other ability might be in the shout but the DB dies.

2. DB goes for defense, ethereal or slow time, Slowing time means he still just dies. Ethereal means he walks around waiting for it to end. Then you are back to the same choice again.

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#43 Posted by rangersoul6 (444 posts) - - Show Bio

@MisterWhisper said:

This is a simple process people.

They both shout:

1: They both go for an attack, BB gets a little hurt, or scared or whatever other ability might be in the shout but the DB dies.

2. DB goes for defense, ethereal or slow time, Slowing time means he still just dies. Ethereal means he walks around waiting for it to end. Then you are back to the same choice again.

3. DB causes Soul Tear and BB shouts and they both die.

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#44 Posted by XImpossibruX (5752 posts) - - Show Bio

@rangersoul6 said:

@MisterWhisper said:

This is a simple process people.

They both shout:

1: They both go for an attack, BB gets a little hurt, or scared or whatever other ability might be in the shout but the DB dies.

2. DB goes for defense, ethereal or slow time, Slowing time means he still just dies. Ethereal means he walks around waiting for it to end. Then you are back to the same choice again.

3. DB causes Soul Tear and BB shouts and they both die.

How does he die when Ethernal wears off if the Sound blast goes right through him?

He Slows time goes Behind him and Freezes him.

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#45 Posted by deactivated-5a5a76120d2ba (5989 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: Because unlike the dragonborn Blackbolt does not have to stop and it is not hard to just look at a guy and tell when he drops out of ethereal. Also BB shout is a lot more than just sound.

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#46 Posted by butcher_pete (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@rangersoul6: Lol, doesn't matter what the influence was, the two adamantiums are not the same. I cant remember 100%, but I believe adamantium armor could get damaged and you had to repair it in Morrowind... that alone makes it completely different, as nothing can damage true adamantium. Not only that, but you can still get injured while wearing it. So again, not even close to the same thing.

Soul Tear? I dont recall that, but Soul Trap requires you to kill your opponent for it to take effect, and dismay doesnt work on the most powerful opponents. Seeing how Black Bolt it more powerful than all the opponents in that game by a large margin, it's not going to work on him.

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#47 Posted by Tbird13 (19 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Skyrim, but this is kinda silly.

Two shouts can't be in effect at the same time, even if you have gear to bring down recharge time to nothing. Your character can't hurt anything while ethereal, he's still vulnerable during slow time, and none of his offensive shouts are any good - they are worthless compared to end-game weapons.

The point of Elder Scrolls games isn't to become some all powerful character. It's to feel like a person in a different world, and that comes with limitations.

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#48 Posted by rangersoul6 (444 posts) - - Show Bio

@Butcher_Pete said:

@rangersoul6: Lol, doesn't matter what the influence was, the two adamantiums are not the same. I cant remember 100%, but I believe adamantium armor could get damaged and you had to repair it in Morrowind... that alone makes it completely different, as nothing can damage true adamantium. Not only that, but you can still get injured while wearing it. So again, not even close to the same thing.

Soul Tear? I dont recall that, but Soul Trap requires you to kill your opponent for it to take effect, and dismay doesnt work on the most powerful opponents. Seeing how Black Bolt it more powerful than all the opponents in that game by a large margin, it's not going to work on him.

-.- I know the two Adamantiums aren't the same but Adamantium wasn't even the most powerful material. It's the Daeadric that should be on par. And I was referring to Daggerfall not Morrowind. IIRC Elven, Orcish and Ebony were above Adamantium, and Daedric is above all those 3.

You can get injured while wearing it, but that's just how the game works. You can also fall off a cliff with a certain pair of boots and not sustain damage. Really it makes no sense, but if we were to take out the inconsistencies, than Daedric is a REALLY powerful armor, and I believe it would survive a nuke.

More things should've been added to the fight like rules and regulations. Armor that DB is wearing, where the battle takes place, weapons used, etc. Because when you say Dragonborn there's really a myriad of ways he can be used. As a stealth character, a tank, a berserker, an archer, a mage, etc.

Soul Tear is a new shout in Dawnguard, it's basically an improved and far more powerful version of Unrelenting Force/Soul Trap/Drain Life. It's a powerful combination shout.

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#49 Posted by jwalser3 (6127 posts) - - Show Bio
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@rangersoul6:A whisper from Black Blot would level Whiterun. He whispers into the ground had it effects the other side of the planet. It states he could destroy half the planet.

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#50 Posted by butcher_pete (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@rangersoul6: ... yes, but it's absolutely meaningless telling me that daedric is more powerful then adamantium when the adamantium is weak ass and nothing like the indestructible Marvel counterpart. Morrowind adamantium should = Daggerfall adamantium by the way. Oh, and Daedric isn't indestructible either, seeing as it also had to be repaired in all the previous games...

You're really making it seem like Skyrim is much more powerful than it really is, no one in Skyrim is surviving a nuke, they aren't even surviving a whisper from Black Bolt, let alone a shout.