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Newworldorder:

  • Gorr
  • Trauma

Immune to TP, Bloodlusted (applicable to both)

Gaoron:

  • Goku black, immune to all hax & invisible
  • MCU Ultron bots (500)

Rules:

Battlefield:

The battlefield is a small isolated universe. Battlefield universe is only one star system. In the centre is one super-massive star which is millions of times larger than our sun, and shines light in the entire universe. To ensure the safety of the participants, the organizers have created a barrier around the star so that no one accidentally goes near it and gets crushed by the immense pressure. The star can't be manipulaed due to that barrier.

The sun does not significantly affect anyone (power or depower) except providing heat and light for the entire universe.

The entire universe is full of atmosphere, which is thin, but still present even in space.

The planets surrounding the star are battlefield. Each of them is exactly the same as each other. There are 8 such planets, each is at fairly large distance from the sun, and each of them is 10 light years away from each other.

Each planet closely resembles the earth, except the following differences:

  • It is indestructible
  • No human and animal life. Plants and insects are present.
  • No buildings/structures.

For prep that takes place out of the battlefield, characters see the battlefield, then they are sent to wherever they have prep, and then they are sent back to battlefield as soon as their prep time is over. Also, no external help during prep.

Restrictions on teleportation:

  • Can't teleport out of the battlefield universe during prep or battle
  • Can teleport (ONLY IF your character can) or move in the battlefield universe in the interplanetary space or on the planets.
  • If the enemies are seperated by more than 5 km distance for more than 30 seconds, they are immediately teleported to the place where the fight began and 100 m from each other. So running away tactics won't work.

Battle rules:

  • Win by death, KO, Incap, give up
  • The characters in character
    BUT
    All characters are told that that the situation is dire, so they will try their best to win.
  • The characters start at full power
  • Fight takes place on land, 1 km away from sea. Both sides 57 m apart.

Limitations:

  • High level RW is banned
  • Directly affecting any character with RW or time manipulation is banned
  • Directly affecting the only star in the universe is banned
  • Slowing time, accelerating time, moving in and out of timestream, going back in time etc are banned.
  • Stopping time is limited to 3 seconds in 1 minute
  • Clones are limited to 3 max
  • Summoning is restricted to 50, and none of them should exceed DCEU Superman level.
  • Dragon balls are allowed only one wish, and the dragon balls are made by Kami so their limitations accordingly apply. Do not treat them as NLF objects.

Voter rules:

  • This is a CaV, do not interfere in the debate because only newworldorder and gaoron are allowed to debate.
  • You can ask to be tagged for votes.
  • You can vote after the debate is over (it will be mentioned when it is open for votes)
  • Vote on who debated better, i.e., convinced you that their team will win, not who you feel would win.
  • If a vote looks biased, I might ignore it.
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#2 Posted by APEX_pretador (11856 posts) - - Show Bio
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#3 Posted by NewWorldOrder (1661 posts) - - Show Bio

@apex_pretador: What hax is Goku Black immune to? Hax is kind of broad.

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@apex_pretador: What hax is Goku Black immune to? Hax is kind of broad.

Nonphysical/metaphysical abilities

Things like physical strikes, energy blasts, sword slices (relevant here) do not come under hax. Things like TP, suol manipulation, transmutation do.

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Gorr The God Butcher

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Gorr The Butcher of Gods...because he hates them.

Powers

All of Gorr's powers come from the Necrosword. He retains no superhuman abilities or anything without it and is pretty much a humanoid with likely human like physicals. That being said, with the Necrosword, he's elevated to a power level which allows him to fight with Gods on equal terms and even overpower and kill them. In fact, throughout the entirety of the time, he's had the Necrosword, Gorr has been capable of killing many, many Gods. For example, in Thor God Of Thunder #4, it was shown that Gorr went back in time (not with his own ability), to the time of the first Elder God in the Universe, and killed him.

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Now, you may be asking what all this is for, it's simply to highlight the amount of power he wields. Being able to kill an elder god couldn't have been something just any powerhouse could do. We didn't see what happened during the fight, but I would like to think the Elder God was powerful.

That aside, Gorr is extremely powerful and has always been even upon first getting the Necrosword. He was killing gods from the beginning and upon meeting the Young Thor in his journey, he was already more than what the young god could handle as shown in Thor: God Of Thunder #2. Here is most of the fight.

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Gorr is so powerful that he can summon characters of Thor's level to fight for him. He can summon creatures created from his Necrosword called Berserkers which were able to give Thor a fight which took hours. Thor eventually defeated the Berserker, but it still took him awhile to do so.

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Thing is, Gorr can call forth plenty of these creatures, so it's essentially him and his army.

Final Thoughts

Just wanted to give a brief view of what Gorr is capable of while establishing how he's a threat from the beginning. My next post will definitely show more high scale feats. @gaoron

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Black Goku

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Black Goku originally known as Zamasu was North Kai of universe 10 and was chosen to become next Supreme Kai after his master Gowasu. During his training he began to distrust and grow a hatred of mortals, believing that they've abused their god-given wisdom and continue their mistakes of enacting war and violence upon their worlds. Later he fought Goku and lose which only increases his hatred for mortals. He used super dragon balls to switch his body with Goku and travelled to future timeline killing mortals and gods across future timeline multiverse.

Strength/Durability

Kicks SSB Vegeta away in base form

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Fight evenly with Goku

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The very same Goku who had strength to fight with god of destruction tearing universe as a side effect of their battle

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In their next encounter Black knock out Goku who had a rage boost mind you

DC/Ki manipulation

Even through Black does not use attacks with big aoe as his objective was to clean mortals from multiverse not destroy it he still has a couple of good dc showings

Here Black destroy countries (i wanted to give gif but i had a problem converting it into one)

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Black destroys 7 Neptune sized super dragon balls

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Black can create a blade from his ki than can cut through SSB Vegeta

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Slashes and busts a building

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He can even cut through reality spawning clones of himself than can keep up with Goku and Vegeta and have regenerative abilities

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Speed

Blitzed SSB Vegeta in base form

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And Vegeta could react and dodge blasts that travel planetary distances in moments waaaay back on Namek

Black can use Gokus IT to dodge or suprise his opponent

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Why Black would win

Ultron bots can give time for Black to spawn up to 3 clones that are near unbeatable and overhelm Gorr with numbers, better strikings and speed.

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@newworldorder: I spend 3 hours and rewrite around half of the post cause my laptop kept on crashing over and over ehh... but im finally done.

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@apex_pretador: Yeah, I'm taking way too long with this. I'll put up a post today no matter what.

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Round 2

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Strength

Kicks SSB Vegeta away in base form

To be honest, Dragon Ball Z character's don't have the most impressive strength or striking feats in my opinion. It's pretty hard to quantify how hard SSB Vegeta was striking because of that. For all we know, it could have been completely underwhelming. I mean, the best striking feat in Dragon Ball continuity to my knowledge is SS3 Goku punching through King Kai's planet which was relatively small.

A feat that is a little easier to quantify is Gorr taking continuous blows from Thor was cracking moons around them from the force he was hitting Gorr with. Keep in mind, he was far away from the moons and was striking Gorr, not them. Thor: God Of Thunder #9.

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Fight evenly with Goku

Yeah, I think this goes hand and hand with what I stated above.

The very same Goku who had strength to fight with god of destruction tearing universe as a side effect of their battle

I don't know if it's just me, but I personally feel this was more to do with Beerus status and power than Goku himself. Not that it matters too much, Gorr isn't a physical fighter much, so he won't be trading blows with Black much.

In their next encounter Black knock out Goku who had a rage boost mind you

Impressive, but I don't think Gorr is going down so easily.

DC/Ki manipulation

Even through Black does not use attacks with big aoe as his objective was to clean mortals from multiverse not destroy it he still has a couple of good dc showings

Fair point. I do recall him only using it to destroy the surroundings, which works to my benefit. Black is more likely to brawl with Gorr oppose to raining down energy blasts, which works for Gorr who gets his work done up close.

Here Black destroy countries (i wanted to give gif but i had a problem converting it into one)

Country level blasts shouldn't do much to Gorr given the guy took a blast from Old King Thor (wielder of the Odin Force), which sent him light years away in distance into a moon. I would put the power of the Odin Force far above country level. Thor: God Of Thunder #9.

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Black destroys 7 Neptune sized super dragon balls

Are we sure they're the size of Neptune? Has if officially been stated, because I don't know if I remember it being specifically stated. Correct me if I am wrong though, because I may have forgotten. I do feel this is from scaling to the size of planets it's near, which always doesn't work when zoomed in closer on the screen.

Black can create a blade from his ki than can cut through SSB Vegeta

Nice, but the Necrosword has been used by Old King Thor to pierce Galactus's body which I would like to think is much better than piercing SSB Vegeta. Thor: God Of Thunder #23.

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Keep in mind his Necrosword can barrow into Black's skin which is good, because Dragon Ball characters have never been the best against piercing damage unless they're Buu. This is what the narration had to say when Thor and Gorr were fighting in Thor: God Of Thunder #9.

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Here he pierces Thor and the blade goes into his body and actually breaks off in him. For it to cause such harm to Thor with great piercing durability, I think it will do much better against Dragon Ball characters who usually go down from one. I think a blade breaking off in Black would do plenty of damage and slow/hinder him the entire fight, if not take him out.

Slashes and busts a building

Pretty low showing, but cool.

He can even cut through reality spawning clones of himself than can keep up with Goku and Vegeta and have regenerative abilities

What do you mean by "reality spawning clones"? Aren't they simply just clones of himself?

Speed

Gorr may not be as fast as Black, however, he has the number, power, and durability/regenerative advantage which should compesnate for it.

Blitzed SSB Vegeta in base form

That's not a blitz, he just appeared in from of Vegeta. It does show off his speed though, but I'm skeptical if that's instant transmission given he is a clone of Goku. By the way, that seems to just be travel speed.

And Vegeta could react and dodge blasts that travel planetary distances in moments waaaay back on Namek

Vegeta is very fast, however, I don't recall Black ever blitzing him. In the fight they seemed to be about the same speed. Black looked as if he only beat Vegeta because he was simply more powerful oppose to faster. I don't think I've seen anything to show he was to fast for Goku or Vegeta to keep up with.

Black can use Gokus IT to dodge or suprise his opponent

Exactly my point in the first speed you presented. I feel as if it was instant transmission he was using that surprised Vegeta oppose to actual raw speed. This a pretty good use of instant transmission, which can be handy for Black in this fight.

Ultron bots can give time for Black to spawn up to 3 clones that are near unbeatable and overhelm Gorr with numbers, better strikings and speed.

Ultron Bots are pretty much fodder here because they can't harm Gorr in the slightest and are at best a nuisance (if even that). Also, there is no way Gorr is getting overwhelmed, in fact, it's Black who will get overwhelmed as Gorr can bring forth large amounts of Black Beserkers to take down the Ultron Bots and assist Gorr to take out Black. Just so you get an idea, heres what Gorr can work with.

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I haven't talked about Trauma yet. He can actually play a big factor here given his power-set. You see, Trauma has the ability to shape-shift into anyone's worst fear which is extremely dangerous if you think about. His abilities seem to allow him to have some form of telepathy which makes him sense what scares them and morp his body into what it is. This is actually his own ability, however, once he turns into those fears, he can actually fight as them.

To showcase what he can do on panel, here is him using his abilities on Korg, a member of Hulk's warbound. Using his ability to sense what Korg was afraid of, he was able to turn into Thor, a character Korg fought in the past with his stone membered planet and was overwhelmed.

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Just to show proof that he's capable of fighting when morphed, here's him fighting World War Hulk. Keep in mind his powers didn't work well here because Hulk fears nothing. He was capable of morphing into beings he could make Hulk scared of losing his "strongest one there is" title, but in then end it didn't work out. Avengers: Initiative #5.

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Before you say, what if Black doesn't fear anything? I think he does, he fears losing in my opinion, so Trauma can literally turn into someone he fears he could lose to like Beerus or such. Luckily for you, Trauma doesn't actually becoma as powerful as whoever he morphs into, however, it can give Black pause long enough for Gorr to stick his sword through him.

Conclusion

Gorr has all the necessary advantages to overwhelm Black in this battle. He has the number advantage which will make the Ultron Bots look like toys, not to mention can help overwhelm Black and help with the speed advantage. His sword can easily pierce Black's skin which is good given he's a physical fighter who likes to get up and close. Not to mention, his durability is enough to take Black's physical and energy punishment for as long as he needs. All he really needs is for Trauma to turn into Black's fear, which will surprise him, and then Gorr can catch him off-guard with a sword through the chest.

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