Dr Strange vs DC Justice League

Doctor Strange.

vs.

Pre New 52 Justice League: Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Zatanna, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom, Firestorm and Power Girl.

Doctor Strange vs Justice League who wins and Why ? comics

Batman solos

Doctor Strange.

Strange do anything about speedblitz?

pretty sure strange takes this.

Strange....... fairly easily!!

He can bfr them, put them in different dimensions, Dormmu's realm, most any realm known in Marvel.

Didn't Classic Strange get the drop on Beyonder, and also force LT to go all out in their fight. Sorry, I don't see anything these D.C. Heros can do, whereas Strange has a bountiful of ways to end this.

Is Dr. Strange>>>>>Zatanna like that?

Couldn't she hang back while the others fight, learn how he works, cast one spell, and at least equalize the fight.

Strange significantly more often than not, but to say he ROFLstomps is saying a lot.

Auto shields.

@chris-sama: @shadow411: @mrterrafic: There is no way Strange can defeat all these heroes single handedly. Zatanna alone can give him a tough battle. Flash alone can drop him before he can even think about thinking or moving a muscle, much less casting or enacting a spell.

As for even the supposedly "vulnerable to magic" Superman:

Here's Superman being "easily" affected by the magic of Skyhook's transmutation http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/81805/1686017-supestransmutation.jpg ---

Oh, wait. Superman resisted it. Pretty impressive, since Skyhook was empowered by Blaze, a MAGICAL Death Goddess powerful enough to challenge Neron for control of the Nether Realms and win (for that matter, despite Blaze having complete MAGICAL control of her realm, Superman, in her VERY LAIR resisted her encasing him in a MAGICAL rock prison which he busted out of http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111271301/5239439-7340797672-jeDnC.jpg placing him in MAGICAL lava lakes which he rose out of http://www.fortressofbaileytude.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1990-08-Action-Comics-Page-B.jpg and withstanding several MAGICAL blasts from her, Superman rescued Jimmy Olson-who's soul she wanted to take- from her, and escaped).

In fact, Kal did more than "escape"---eventually, Supes used his heat vision to create an earthquake that led to a chain reaction which incinerated Blazes' MAGICAL dimension. The trauma was so epic that the likes of Dr. Fate, Raven (who stated she thought only her father Trigon could create such a mystical disturbance) and The Black Racer sensed it---with Racer noting it is the first time ever that Blaze has been defeated

http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/supermanrespect2/media/hetvieart_zps2100d05a.jpg.html

http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/supermanrespect2/media/hetvieart2_zps819fdef1.jpg.html

http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/supermanrespect2/media/hetvieart3_zps9dd09ae1.jpg.html

Okay, bad examples---but speaking of Neron, Supes didn't withstand any of HIS mystical attacks-well except for the time Kal resisted Neron's TP, and here, when Kal resists Neron's MAGICAL attempts to take him over http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/72524/3164178-7238346042-30567.jpg Oh, okay so Neron actually ISN'T a good example...

Surely, THIS example of Superman being magically molecularly manipulated by Disciple counts http://imgur.com/a/JvgnY- oh, but actually, even though Disciple is empowered by several Elder Gods, and his powers alters the bodies of the JLA (including Kyle Rayner Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter) as the scan show Superman tanks this MAGICAL attack and snatches Disciple's Power Staff.

Well, okay, but the Angel Asmodel's MAGICAL Light Of Heaven attack worked http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/wonder-woman-vs-magneto-1714954/?page=5 (post 209; click the "spoilers" icon, it's the third scan)---well, no, to Asmodel's intense shock, Superman withstood it and battled on...

Well, this kill shot by Gog on Superman CERTAINLY shows he's vulnerable to magic

http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/GogStaff1.jpg.html

http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/GogStaff2.jpg.html

http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/GogStaff3.jpg.html

http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/GogStaff4.jpg.html

Kingdom Gog’s staff is very powerful, because, as it has the combined power of the Emerald Energy of the Guardians of the Universe, the cosmic energy of the Source, and the MAGICAL might of Shazam and Zeus http://i.imgur.com/qDBgsb3.jpg-- oops, to Gog's startled bafflement, Superman withstands the blast without a mark on him then rescues his various JLA and JSA colleagues.

Hmmmm.

The Kryptonian is no more PARTICULARLY vulnerable to magic than any other mortal; he just can't UTTERLY shrug its effects off ALL the time like most SCIENCE based trauma. In fact, Superman has survived magical attacks that would KILL just about anyone else. So, the Man Of Steel is no more PARTICULARLY vulnerable to magic than Batman, Iron Man, Aunt May, or Perry White (you just can't jump in front of him, yell "Hocus Pocus" and expect him to fall to the ground screaming).

So if even Superman has resisted top tier magic-and can potentially drop Strange before the sorcerer can move as well due to his combat speed feats-including this fraction of a nano second time dilation defying feat http://imgur.com/a/Kizn3 or this "Catch an out of control Barry Allen Flash" feat http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sm_709_dylux_-9-copy-e1300679300858.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/3556932-1976765855-26290.jpg where, since in that story Flash mentions he moves in attoseconds, and Kal caught him it means Supes has that speed as well (and yes, it is an attosecond feat---the DC SANCTIONED writer of the story, Chris Roberson confirms this); blitzed his Earth 3, Has-All-His Powers counterpart Ultra Man and Superwoman

Was fast enough to, almost with casual effort strike a

streaking Professor Zoom (causing the villain to state Kal's speed "rivals" his) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/125391/2868061-2630107_supeszoom2.jpg simultaneously blitz Zod and Ursa, two Kryptonians http://imgur.com/a/ieEGm grab Wally West Flash when he was blitzing Supes http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2630108-t6a5nc.jpg or this feat http://imgur.com/a/bDvt6 where Supes discusses, arranges, and executes strategy faster than advanced alien thought...it seems clear that Strange would perhaps not get the chance to even deal with Kal, much less the rest of the characters depicted in the OP. All those characters I've mentioned have great combat speed of their own, yet Supes beat them to the punch and even blitzed them, and there's many other examples on standby; another poster in another thread layed out over 80 instances of Superman's speedblitzes).

It's true---if Dr. Strange had to face all of those characters:

JUSTICE LEAGUE WINS.

Wonder Woman soloz with her zeuz boltzzz

version of strange? Classic strange fkes em up.

@theonewhoknows said:

@chris-sama: @shadow411: @mrterrafic: There is no way Strange can defeat all these heroes single handedly. Zatanna alone can give him a tough battle. Flash alone can drop him before he can even think about thinking or moving a muscle, much less casting or enacting a spell.

As for even the supposedly "vulnerable to magic" Superman:

Here's Superman being "easily" affected by the magic of Skyhook's transmutation http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/81805/1686017-supestransmutation.jpg ---

Oh, wait. Superman resisted it. Pretty impressive, since Skyhook was empowered by Blaze, a MAGICAL Death Goddess powerful enough to challenge Neron for control of the Nether Realms and win (for that matter, despite Blaze having complete MAGICAL control of her realm, Superman, in her VERY LAIR resisted her encasing him in a MAGICAL rock prison which he busted out of http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111271301/5239439-7340797672-jeDnC.jpg placing him in MAGICAL lava lakes which he rose out of http://www.fortressofbaileytude.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1990-08-Action-Comics-Page-B.jpg and withstanding several MAGICAL blasts from her, Superman rescued Jimmy Olson-who's soul she wanted to take- from her, and escaped).

In fact, Kal did more than "escape"---eventually, Supes used his heat vision to create an earthquake that led to a chain reaction which incinerated Blazes' MAGICAL dimension. The trauma was so epic that the likes of Dr. Fate, Raven (who stated she thought only her father Trigon could create such a mystical disturbance) and The Black Racer sensed it---with Racer noting it is the first time ever that Blaze has been defeated

http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/supermanrespect2/media/hetvieart_zps2100d05a.jpg.html

http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/supermanrespect2/media/hetvieart2_zps819fdef1.jpg.html

http://s1280.photobucket.com/user/supermanrespect2/media/hetvieart3_zps9dd09ae1.jpg.html

Okay, bad examples---but speaking of Neron, Supes didn't withstand any of HIS mystical attacks-well except for the time Kal resisted Neron's TP, and here, when Kal resists Neron's MAGICAL attempts to take him over http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/72524/3164178-7238346042-30567.jpg Oh, okay so Neron actually ISN'T a good example...

Surely, THIS example of Superman being magically molecularly manipulated by Disciple counts http://imgur.com/a/JvgnY- oh, but actually, even though Disciple is empowered by several Elder Gods, and his powers alters the bodies of the JLA (including Kyle Rayner Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter) as the scan show Superman tanks this MAGICAL attack and snatches Disciple's Power Staff.

Well, okay, but the Angel Asmodel's MAGICAL Light Of Heaven attack worked http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/wonder-woman-vs-magneto-1714954/?page=5 (post 209; click the "spoilers" icon, it's the third scan)---well, no, to Asmodel's intense shock, Superman withstood it and battled on...

Well, this kill shot by Gog on Superman CERTAINLY shows he's vulnerable to magic

http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/GogStaff1.jpg.html

http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/GogStaff2.jpg.html

http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/GogStaff3.jpg.html

http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/GogStaff4.jpg.html

Kingdom Gog’s staff is very powerful, because, as it has the combined power of the Emerald Energy of the Guardians of the Universe, the cosmic energy of the Source, and the MAGICAL might of Shazam and Zeus http://i.imgur.com/qDBgsb3.jpg-- oops, to Gog's startled bafflement, Superman withstands the blast without a mark on him then rescues his various JLA and JSA colleagues.

Hmmmm.

The Kryptonian is no more PARTICULARLY vulnerable to magic than any other mortal; he just can't UTTERLY shrug its effects off ALL the time like most SCIENCE based trauma. In fact, Superman has survived magical attacks that would KILL just about anyone else. So, the Man Of Steel is no more PARTICULARLY vulnerable to magic than Batman, Iron Man, Aunt May, or Perry White (you just can't jump in front of him, yell "Hocus Pocus" and expect him to fall to the ground screaming).

So if even Superman has resisted top tier magic-and can potentially drop Strange before the sorcerer can move as well due to his combat speed feats-including this fraction of a nano second time dilation defying feat http://imgur.com/a/Kizn3 or this "Catch an out of control Barry Allen Flash" feat http://www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sm_709_dylux_-9-copy-e1300679300858.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/3556932-1976765855-26290.jpg where, since in that story Flash mentions he moves in attoseconds, and Kal caught him it means Supes has that speed as well (and yes, it is an attosecond feat---the DC SANCTIONED writer of the story, Chris Roberson confirms this); blitzed his Earth 3, Has-All-His Powers counterpart Ultra Man and Superwoman

Was fast enough to, almost with casual effort strike a

streaking Professor Zoom (causing the villain to state Kal's speed "rivals" his) http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/125391/2868061-2630107_supeszoom2.jpg simultaneously blitz Zod and Ursa, two Kryptonians http://imgur.com/a/ieEGm grab Wally West Flash when he was blitzing Supes http://static.comicvine.com/api/image/original/2630108-t6a5nc.jpg or this feat http://imgur.com/a/bDvt6 where Supes discusses, arranges, and executes strategy faster than advanced alien thought...it seems clear that Strange would perhaps not get the chance to even deal with Kal, much less the rest of the characters depicted in the OP. All those characters I've mentioned have great combat speed of their own, yet Supes beat them to the punch and even blitzed them, and there's many other examples on standby; another poster in another thread layed out over 80 instances of Superman's speedblitzes).

It's true---if Dr. Strange had to face all of those characters:

JUSTICE LEAGUE WINS.

Pretty sure strange has auto shields. Dont know much about classic strange but I know he was going toe to toe with the inbetweener and living tribunal, he also matched Dormammu and shuma gorath. Any of them would solo the JL

Strange is not ready for this with out Prep

Classic Strange is current. there is no difference, (just that current Strange sucks when it comes to feats)

@chris-sama: Strange's "auto shields" didn't help him against the likes of Mantis, Black Panther, Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Hulk, Piledriver and countless others---all of whom are faaar slower and/or weaker than Superman and Flash. Add in a top tier sorceress like Zatanna---

Yeah.

Willfully ignoring facts doesn't change that Strange cannot defeat this JLA team.

@theonewhoknows:

Willfully ignoring facts

Is this supposed to be ironic?

Classic Strange could potentially win but doubt it

Well your also ignoring the fact that classic strange hangs with beings that would solo the JLA..

@chris-sama: Strange would have to get the chance to make sure he somehow "hangs with beings that would solo the JLA." And considering the combat speed feats I displayed for Superman alone, that doesn't seem likely (are you honestly claiming that Strange-for sure-can act faster than a Superman that can beat the likes of Barry Allen Flash, Wally West Flash, and Professor Zoom to the punch)?

Not to mention the Flash himself?

And simultaneously resist Zatanna ("egnartS ezeerf!") and Green Lantern, and...

Oh, get out of here.

JLA WINS.

@chris-sama: Don't engage him. just smile and wave.

Telling another user what to do, while having no reasonable or rational counters.

Typical.

@theonewhoknows:

Two words..... Auto Shields!!

@jardinain2: When did this happen ?

What? auto shields?

@termiteone4ever: You're completely forgetting Strange turns into a cosmic level threat with prep

@shadow411: See post 15.

@termiteone4ever that's a key point; if Strange had prep and the League did not, that would be one thing. But in a random encounter when he would have no idea about the combat speed of Wonder Woman, Superman, and Flash he was about to deal with (much less the combined magic of Zatanna with the power of the rest of the League--)

Nah.

Strange is not winning this.

@jardinain2: You said classic strange is current when did this happen

Strange

In fact Hickman basically had him solo the JL rip offs in pre-SW.

Oh, its always been like that, he was never retconned or anything.

Now i digress, current Strange is Black priest which seems to be different, but besides that Strange has been one singular version.

@theonewhoknows:

No one in that post stood a chance against classic Strange!! show me super man withstanding Trigons magic or someone remotely close to Strange then we can have that discussion. But he's consistently shown being weak to magic, and now thinking he has a chance at beating Dr. Strange arguably one of the highest lvl magic users in comics is unbelievable. Zatana might as well not even show up with her lvl. Sorry, this guy is far too much, remember he beat Beyonder at one point (Not beat, but stalemate), anyways he's too much for JL.

Putting cannon fodder vs Strange....why?

Feats for auto-shields withstanding FTL++++++ blitz?

@shadow411: Willfully ignoring that Superman, Wonder Woman, and Flash's combat speed would ensure Strange is wiped out long before he could try anything is futile. A guy that has been struck and even KO'd by the much slower people I mentioned in post 15 is not going to out move Supes and company.

And the times Superman has fallen prey to magic at times does not override all the top tier magic Kal has resisted I displayed with see-with-one's-own-eyes-scans in post 9. Not to mention, the claim that the likes of Neron, Blaze, and a being empowered by severalElder Gods didn't "stood a chance against classic Strange" is completely incorrect. And a staff that has the combined power of the Emerald Energy of the Guardians of the Universe, the cosmic energy of the Source, and the MAGICAL might of Shazam and Zeus is "not" at Strange's level?

Facepalm.

There's really no way around it: JLA WINS.

Strange wins.

That is not giving him the win.

Oh Sure nobody is going to say the Flash will Blitz Dr.Strange before he can even twitch a finger to make a spell, but in other threads he blitzes LOL.

Dr. Strange just needs to keep a close eye on Zatanna,MMH, WW and Flash, I think they are the biggest problems. However, I don't think he wins he'd be on the defensive standpoint for a long time.

JL for the Win.

The League wins. Come on now.

by the hoary hosts of horgoth, I summon @wastelandman

@blackestnight93: Thanks for the tag.

I honestly see no reason why Strange doesn't just BFR everyone else who can't teleport transdimensionally with a hand wave like he's done to so many groups/teams in the past:

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Once they're out of the way Strange just defeats Zatanna in mystic combat handily. Also, lol at people saying flash blitzes. Strange's auto-shields have taken hits from people well above his weight class and his autoshields protect against phasing like it did against Deathurge's arrow:

And his weapons are meant to phase through his targets:

Not that it matters since in-character the Flash yet alone the entire league aren't going to simultaneously blitz a person they know nothing about and could just be an ordinary human at full force. Conversely, instantly BFRing enemies that outnumber himself is completely in Strange's character.

Yeah that is what i am saying for sure. If strange doesn't have prep he gets stomps. Too much factors here against him

The Justice League could actually win this.

The team every round. Some characters can solo.

@jardinain2:

The invisible shield of everlasting enchantment.

@theonewhoknows:

Zeus/Shazam's magic being on his lvl..... come on dude I know this is a joke. Strange has changed mjolnirs enchantment and taken it away from Thor, also rendered silver Surfers board useless. Shazam' magic would be cut off easier than both of these!!

The guy has destroyed a dimension before with his magic, also Pre-Recton Beyonder stated that he was at Strange's mercy while he was drunk!! Held IG Adam Warlock off. Sees what transpires in other dimensions, etc. Yea, JL has no chance

Plus he's known for bfr'ing when he's outnumbered so..... yea

@wastelandman: @shadow411: Wastelandman, another user in another thread listed over 80 examples of Superman alone using super speed-even blitzing-right off against even unfamiliar antagonists in battles. The user @tedirey has chronicled multiple incidents of Wonder Woman alone using her devastating combat speed in battles-even against opponents she didn't know well-right off. So your claims that "Flash yet alone the entire league aren't going to simultaneously blitz a person they know nothing about and could just be an ordinary human at full force" is simply false, and is wishful thinking/willfully ignoring facts to get a result you want, which is for Strange to win. Sorry---sometimes a character you "like" better has to take an "L".

Shadow411, speaking of wishful thinking and willfully ignoring things, you take the cake. I want to get you on record by answering an earlier question of mine-are you honestly claiming-considering that much slower people like the ones I listed in post 15 have struck and even KO'd him-that Strange-for sure-can act faster than a Superman that can beat the likes of Barry Allen Flash, Wally West Flash, and Professor Zoom to the punch?

Not to mention the speed of Flash himself?

And simultaneously resist Zatanna ("egnartS ezeerf!") and Green Lantern (and for that matter the faster than thought TP of Martain Manhunter, and the molecular manipulation of Firestorm and Captain Atom) and---)

Yes, please---say this fantastical farcical fantasy out loud, please. By all means.

Shazam can designate his magic to multiple others and give them world smashing might simultaneously (Black Adam, Isis, Horus, Captain Marvel family) and still retain above God tier level power, you are obviously not up to speed on DC Zeus' power level, and Gog's staff has those combined powers plus the Guardians Of The Galaxy's emerald energy and The Source's cosmic power-which as it happens is empowering all of the super humans, Gods, and higher beings of the DC universe.

So the only "joke" being committed is by you. And it is not at all funny.

@termiteone4ever said: "If strange doesn't have prep he gets stomps. Too much factors here against him".

Indeed.

Wally gives his team speed, which is an ability Wally has done several times, and they blitz Strange at Flash level speeds. And blitzing is an ability Wally, Superman and others have done several times.

@wastelandman said:

@blackestnight93: Thanks for the tag.

I honestly see no reason why Strange doesn't just BFR everyone else who can't teleport transdimensionally with a hand wave like he's done to so many groups/teams in the past:

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Once they're out of the way Strange just defeats Zatanna in mystic combat handily. Also, lol at people saying flash blitzes. Strange's auto-shields have taken hits from people well above his weight class and his autoshields protect against phasing like it did against Deathurge's arrow:

And his weapons are meant to phase through his targets:

Not that it matters since in-character the Flash yet alone the entire league aren't going to simultaneously blitz a person they know nothing about and could just be an ordinary human at full force. Conversely, instantly BFRing enemies that outnumber himself is completely in Strange's character.

Nice.

Thoughts on Zatanna's magical prowess in comparison to Strange's?

@theonewhoknows:

another user in another thread listed over 80 examples of Superman alone using super speed-even blitzing-right off against even unfamiliar antagonists in battles

multiple incidents of Wonder Woman alone using her devastating combat speed in battles-even against opponents she didn't know well-right off.

I just see a scan/link dump in that post. Show me specifically where Superman/Wonder Woman blitzed a human they know literally nothing about. If they have please show me because I've never seen it. They're even less likely to do this when in a team since they need to coordinate with each other. Not that I think it matters that much even if they tried to blitz for reasons I'll get to below.

simply false, and is wishful thinking/willfully ignoring facts to get a result you want, which is for Strange to win.

What facts did I ignore? I've only made a single post. Are you talking about the post you made near the top? I'm not obligated to read every post in a thread but even if I saw it it's just a scan/link dump and doesn't refute anything I said.

Sorry---sometimes a character you "like" better has to take an "L".

This is true. Too bad this not one of them.

Shadow411, speaking of wishful thinking and willfully ignoring things, you take the cake. I want to get you on record by answering an earlier question of mine-are you honestly claiming-considering that much slower people like the ones I listed in post 15 have struck and even KO'd him-that Strange-for sure-can act faster than a Superman that can beat the likes of Barry Allen Flash, Wally West Flash, and Professor Zoom to the punch)?

Not to mention the speed of Flash himself?

Speed means literally nothing to someone who can freeze time:

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And yes, Sorcerer Supreme Strange has frozen time during combat multiple times and all he has to do is just will time to freeze and he's done that just as he's being overwhelmed. A perfect example is here when Strange was blasted by an energy attack that was killing him:

If he's being overhlemed like he was here i.e. being blitzed, he can just freeze time with a thought.

And simultaneously resist Zatanna ("egnartS ezeerf!")

Strange has "effortlessly" resisted magical paralysis:

And to put this into perspective this paralysis spell was casted by a sorcerer so powerful that it was stated a mystic clash with him would threaten the entire planet:

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This is really a Zatanna vs. Strange battle since the rest just get BFR'd and since Zatanna is the only one capable of travelling transdimensionally here. And once Strange and Zatanna are alone it'll be just a 1v1 which Strange would win without much trouble.

How long would that even take? Regardless, that's obviously not an in-character thing he does otherwise he'd do it in ALL of the JL's fights but obviously he doesn't. As for blitzing, even if Strange is being blitzed Strange can freeze time with a thought. Like in the scan I posted above where he was being killed with an energy blast and Strange simply freezes time with a thought:

She's definitely powerful but would honestly loose to Strange handily in a 1v1.